Al Jefferson since Deron Williams was traded

[Kyle Orton]

26.7 PPG, 61.4% shooting, 8.7 RPG, 2.0 APG, 2.3 BPG, 0.7

:lmao denying Deron Williams dominating the ball wasn't holding him back

[Killakobe81]

Nice sample size you have there ...

[Kyle Orton]

so you're still gonna hold onto the stance that Deron Williams wasn't hurting his game at all?

Be prepared for Big Daddy Jefferson to make you eat more CROW tbh.

[Killakobe81]

so you're still gonna hold onto the stance that Deron Williams wasn't hurting his game at all?

Be prepared for Big Daddy Jefferson to make you eat more CROW tbh.

Not holding on, I like his game but im not his agent nor the president of his fan club. just saying, 3 games doesnt prove much. That is like saying Melo was holding down Afflalo or Nene ...

[Obstructed_View]

Well Williams was going to make at least one team better in this trade.

[Kyle Orton]

Slightly different given we've seen Al Jefferson put up monster numbers for an extended period of time. Nene and Afflalo have yet to prove a consistent ability to score.

[Pelicans78]

Slightly different given we've seen Al Jefferson put up monster numbers for an extended period of time. Nene and Afflalo have yet to prove a consistent ability to score.

They're still 1-2 since D-Will left.

[Booharv]

Ignoring the trade for a second, Jefferson's problem is he hardly ever gets to the free throw line. Leaving points on the table like that prevents him from being a true #1 scorer.

[LnGrrrR]

Nice numbers for Big Al.

[Obstructed_View]

They're still 1-2 since D-Will left.

And 1-6 in the seven games before he was traded...

[Kyle Orton]

^:lmao exactly. 1-5 w/ Corbin. 0-3 w/ D-Will, 1-2 w/o D-Will.

[midnightpulp]

Nice numbers for Big Al.

Damn, almost feels like a century ago when he was a Celtic.

[Pelicans78]

That's true.

They were just bad in general. Should have kept Boozer and not overspent on Millsap two years ago.

[LnGrrrR]

Damn, almost feels like a century ago when he was a Celtic.

Yeah, I really thought he was going to be our next franchise player after his first year. How time flies.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ignoring the trade for a second, Jefferson's problem is he hardly ever gets to the free throw line. Leaving points on the table like that prevents him from being a true #1 scorer.

It's been the knock on him since he entered the NBA, yet he has shown very little improvement in that category..I thought he would have gotten at least a little better by now, tbh, same with his passing ability..

As for the thread, Williams has always been overrated IMO(when he's referred to as the clear #1 PG, which he has been referred to during these last 2 years), but I wouldn't knock him for this specific topic..Jefferson was a decent p&r player in previous years, but he's obviously primarily a post player and a much different player from Boozer and Milsapp, which were the primary bigs for Utah's system..

Now that they have to go to him more in 1 on 1 situations, he'll be able to play a more appropriate style for his game..

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh, you'd think such a great fuckin winner PG (:cry) like Deron Williams would help him get to the FT line.

[Kyle Orton]

but I wouldn't knock him for this specific topic..Jefferson was a decent p&r player in previous years, but he's obviously primarily a post player and a much different player from Boozer and Milsapp, which were the primary bigs for Utah's system..

Now that they have to go to him more in 1 on 1 situations, he'll be able to play a more appropriate style for his game..

Bullshit. PGs constantly get rave reviews and credit for making teammates better. The truth is they only "make guys better" when said player has a game that fits in well with a PG. When there's a player like Jefferson who is most dangerous iso'd in the post, a one-dimensional PG like Deron Williams will do anything BUT make him look better.

[GuerillaBlack]

They're still 1-2 since D-Will left.

And have the Nets even won a game with D-Will playing?

[balli]

Deron sorta treated Big Al like shit tbh.

A. Al only ever needed to get lob passes into the established post, not forced pick and roll opportunities and stare downs after they failed.

and

B. Deron did a lot of bitching (publicly) about the team not knowing the plays. Al doesn't strike me as being the brightest guy in the world, but I don't doubt for a second that he was damn sure trying. Deron also did a lot of bitching about not running more. Al Jefferson is a center Deron. I'm sorry you lost Boozer and your man Brewer, but going public, calling Al out in public, over and over and over again probably didn't do much in the way of making him better, or instilling confidence in the team.

For the record, I still think Deron is a great basketball player and pg. He did a very poor job of adjusting his game to the new talent and a great job of blaming everyone else for it. It was a failing, didn't have to be. Hopefully he sees that and won't do it again.

[Harlem Preach]

they were never a championship contender so who cares

[Kyle Orton]

Deron sorta treated Big Al like shit tbh.

A. Al only ever needed to get lob passes into the established post, not forced pick and roll opportunities and stare downs after they failed.

and

B. Deron did a lot of bitching (publicly) about the team not knowing the plays. Al doesn't strike me as being the brightest guy in the world, but I don't doubt for a second that he was damn sure trying. Deron also did a lot of bitching about not running more. Al Jefferson is a center Deron. I'm sorry you lost Boozer and your man Brewer, but going public, calling Al out in public, over and over and over again probably didn't do much in the way of making him better, or instilling confidence in the team.

For the record, I still think Deron is a great basketball player and pg. He did a very poor job of adjusting his game to the new talent and a great job of blaming everyone else for it. It was a failing, didn't have to be. Hopefully he sees that and won't do it again.

balli is the one person who seems to get it. Big Al is a low post player, why was D-Will trying to force pick and rolls with him?

[Kyle Orton]

And tbh starting next year Deron Williams won't even be the best D-Will in the NBA.

[Juan]

Imagine if Al Jeff had JJ Barea running point for him. Dude would prob be in MVP discussions.

[Axe Murderer]

balli is the one person who seems to get it. Big Al is a low post player, why was D-Will trying to force pick and rolls with him?

tbh, i understand exactly what you're saying.

being a post player myself, i've played with guys at the rec who always call for ball screens and then give me a horrible pass on the pick and roll when the guy I'm guarding's like 3 inches shorter. He could've just kept it simple and given me the ball on the block instead of trying to outsmart everybody

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh that's because you know shit about basketball as oppose to 300 lbs. Spurs fans who have nothing to say other than "Melo = classless, Deron = class"

[Red Hawk #21]

Class>Winning tbh

[Keyser soze]

Well, Deron Williams is a tad bit overrated and big Al is a terrific post player. Your point is duly noted.

[Axe Murderer]

ya it's funny that people see the pick and roll as the best offense ever because Sloan (class :cry) and Williams (class :cry) are involved in it when instead you can just give the guy the fucking ball and let him score 1 on 1 since that's the kind of player he is.

:cry if Derek Fisher and Shaq ran the pick and roll, they would've won 5 in a row :cry

[Kyle Orton]

pick and roll = class (except for when Amare's doing it)

[Axe Murderer]

pick and roll>Manu>anything

[Kyle Orton]

Manu running the pick and roll > Jesus

[Axe Murderer]

Manu running the pick and roll with Tim Duncan especially with Brian Cardinal guarding Duncan > Jesus

fify

[Juan]

Manu running the pick and roll > Jesus

mi amigo, have you not seen the JJ Barea run the point.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

[Kyle Orton]

Manu running the pick and roll with Tim Duncan with Desagana Chamberlain Diop guarding Duncan < everything

[LnGrrrR]

Bump

[redzero]

Manu running the pick and roll with Tim Duncan with Desagana Chamberlain Diop guarding Duncan < everything

I think Diop's skillset more resembles a Russell/Olajuwon hybrid.

[Pelicans78]

Manu running the pick and roll > Jesus

Manu running the pick and roll = Jesus

[ElNono]

Big Al sodomizing Boston tonight

[ElNono]

22/15 so far

[Venti Quattro]

22/15 so far

24/17

[LnGrrrR]

If only Boston had someone that could really defend the post well... That would put us over the top.

[lefty]

Damn big Al !!!!!

[ElNono]

If only Boston had someone that could really defend the post well... That would put us over the top.

Chest bump and Big baby not doing it for you?

[lefty]

Ray Fucking Allen

[lefty]

Referees :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Woot. Ray Allen with b2b triples.

[lefty]

Celts saved by the zebras

[HarlemHeat37]

Jefferson hasn't really had any trouble with Perkins in the past, IIRC..

[ElNono]

lol Garnett

[lefty]

Jeffetson wants a piece of Intensity

[redzero]

KG is talking shit to Big Al.

[lefty]

Crawford is such a POS

[LnGrrrR]

Chest bump and Big baby not doing it for you?

:lol I don't think Big Baby intimidates his opponents tbh. (though he's better defensively this year than the last few in the games I've watched.)

[lefty]

BTW, the Jazz announcers are great

[ElNono]

Doc Rivers with his routine :cry :cry :cry act

[ElNono]

That stare/face2face Big Al pulled on KG right in front of the refs was great :lol

[redzero]

Best shooter in the universe just hitting the 3's he's supposed to hit.

[sribb43]

Big Al: "Bitch ass niggas" :lol

[slacker77]

just saw the slo mo replay.That should have clearly been a two,not a three by allen.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Harris falling for Rondo's pump fake on a jump shot..

[Fpoonsie]

just saw the slo mo replay.That should have clearly been a two,not a three by allen.

They only gave him 2.

[redzero]

just saw the slo mo replay.That should have clearly been a two,not a three by allen.

Are you talking about his last shot? That was a 2 and it was counted as such.

[ElNono]

Utah coach drawing the famous 5 point play...

[slacker77]

Ya,just realized.nevermind.

[LnGrrrR]

Big Al damn near a 30/20.

[lefty]

Good job, refs

[concken]

BTW, the Jazz announcers are great

[Kyle Orton]

rofl Deron Williams/PG fans

[Chris Bosh Fan]

gr8 post bro

could anybody imagine how sick it would be with Bosh/Williams pick and rolling all game? :wow

nb:lol=f:lolcked

[Killakobe81]

I must say Al jeff has been on a tear but he always is hyped to play Celts ...

BTW Dwill almost brought NJ to a win with some great play late ...too ...but so far KO appears to be right Al jeff playing better sans Dwill and without sloan as well ...

[Pelicans78]

I must say Al jeff has been on a tear but he always is hyped to play Celts ...

BTW Dwill almost brought NJ to a win with some great play late ...too ...but so far KO appears to be right Al jeff playing better sans Dwill and without sloan as well ...

Besides Magic Johnson, having your PG as your best player will lead you no where. That's why Whorenets should have traded CP3 and kept Collison as their PG and spent the max money on another position.

[lefty]

Besides Magic Johnson, having your PG as your best player will lead you no where. That's why Whorenets should have traded CP3 and kept Collison as their PG and spent the max money on another position.

Magic and Isiah

And I agree on keeping Collison

[Pelicans78]

Magic and Isiah

And I agree on keeping Collison

Magic was 6'9 and CP3 is barely 6'0 ft. Isiah was a special talent, but its rare for a PG to lead a team to a championship.

[Kyle Orton]

Besides Magic Johnson, having your PG as your best player will lead you no where.

lol copying my argument/shtick.

[LnGrrrR]

You are making a believer of me DoK :tu

[Red Hawk #21]

Magic was 6'9 and CP3 is barely 6'0 ft. Isiah was a special talent, but its rare for a PG to lead a team to a championship.

I know this is off topic but I stumbled upon this gem yesterday : This is the kind of foul you go to WAR for :ihit
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[Fpoonsie]

There're only a few players in the history of the game whose painful death I'd actually celebrate.

Malone tops that short list.

[pauls931]

Deron is on the Nets? Dammit, the Suns had better at least have offered Dragic and Nash for him before this...

[Kyle Orton]

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-01-17/1232207192838.jpg

[LnGrrrR]

Damn, 36 and 12... Al must be thanking the Utah front office every night before he goes to bed.

[Killakobe81]

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-01-17/1232207192838.jpg

Nice game by him, but it was the Knicks.
Who plays center for the Knicks?
oh yes ...Turiaf the Lakers 4th big 3 YEARS ago!
the Knicks put up 140 ... Im guessing there were A LOT of possesions in THAT game ...but by all means gloat. AL Jeff is a beast who was chained down by Dwill ...

[Pelicans78]

Gotta love that -33 for Jefferson tonight. He's going back to his looter in a riot days at Minnesota.

[Pelicans78]

BTW, Devin Harris is just plain awful. Not sure what he does really well. He doesn't make good decisions, doesn't shoot that well, and doesn't play any defense. Easy to see why Avery loves to trade him away. He just sucks.

[Killakobe81]

Gotta love that -33 for Jefferson tonight. He's going back to his looter in a riot days at Minnesota.

Not a big fan of +/- but when a team gives up 140 that is JUST a perfect time to brag about someone's stats especially when they were on the floor for the anal rape ...

[Pelicans78]

Not a big fan of +/- but when a team gives up 140 that is JUST a perfect time to brag about someone's stats especially when they were on the floor for the anal rape ...

Knicks didn't even have Turiaf. They started Jared Jeffries at center.

[Killakobe81]

Knicks didn't even have Turiaf. They started Jared Jeffries at center.

ROFL KO with the goods ...pulling a Hollinger ...

[Booharv]

Jeffries has now scored one point in his last 100 minutes played. Worst offensive player in the NBA maybe, and he's overrated on defense to boot.

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh if that faggot mogrovejo were still posting he'd have a bunch of stats no one has ever heard of that he "pays 30 bucks a month to get" talking about how Jarred Jeffries is one of the best defenders in the NBA.

[Kyle Orton]

Nice game by him, but it was the Knicks.
Who plays center for the Knicks?
oh yes ...Turiaf the Lakers 4th big 3 YEARS ago!
the Knicks put up 140 ... Im guessing there were A LOT of possesions in THAT game ...but by all means gloat. AL Jeff is a beast who was chained down by Dwill ...
son you seem really butthurt that I'm obviously right predicting D-Will was holding Big Daddy Jefferson back. No matter how many possessions there were, Jefferson was much more efficient scoring the ball on a per possession basis than he ever was with D-Will.

[spursbird]

Jefferson, now Love
LMAO Wolves

[Killakobe81]

son you seem really butthurt that I'm obviously right predicting D-Will was holding Big Daddy Jefferson back. No matter how many possessions there were, Jefferson was much more efficient scoring the ball on a per possession basis than he ever was with D-Will.

No butthurt in fact right now i m not sure Dwill is even a top 3 PG right now if he doesnt finish strong this season. My point is you overrating Al Jeff based on stats in agame with a whole bunch of possesions where AL Jeff was blown out and his porous defense was morre of an impact then his soring and rebounding numbers were.
Happy for the kid he seems to be gain ing back some of his game ...but good luck to him he si back where was pre-injury putting up great numbers for a lotto team.

[Killakobe81]

son you seem really butthurt that I'm obviously right predicting D-Will was holding Big Daddy Jefferson back. No matter how many possessions there were, Jefferson was much more efficient scoring the ball on a per possession basis than he ever was with D-Will.

No butthurt in fact right now i m not sure Dwill is even a top 3 PG right now if he doesnt finish strong this season. My point is you overrating Al Jeff based on stats in agame with a whole bunch of possesions where AL Jeff was blown out and his porous defense was morre of an impact then his soring and rebounding numbers were.
Happy for the kid he seems to be gain ing back some of his game ...but good luck to him he is back where was pre-injury putting up great numbers for a lotto team.

[Gordon Hayward]

There're only a few players in the history of the game whose painful death I'd actually celebrate.

Malone tops that short list.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/karl.malone.rare.photos/images/malone-horse.jpg

[Kyle Orton]

No butthurt in fact right now i m not sure Dwill is even a top 3 PG right now if he doesnt finish strong this season. My point is you overrating Al Jeff based on stats in agame with a whole bunch of possesions where AL Jeff was blown out and his porous defense was morre of an impact then his soring and rebounding numbers were.
Happy for the kid he seems to be gain ing back some of his game ...but good luck to him he si back where was pre-injury putting up great numbers for a lotto team.
I'm simply saying Deron Williams hurt Jefferson's game and was holding him back. The stats Jefferson is putting up testify to that.

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao

[Reggie Williams]

Holy shit this nigga and Lamarcus Aldrige are 2 efficient fucking scros.

[Obstructed_View]

No butthurt in fact right now i m not sure Dwill is even a top 3 PG right now if he doesnt finish strong this season. My point is you overrating Al Jeff based on stats in agame with a whole bunch of possesions where AL Jeff was blown out and his porous defense was morre of an impact then his soring and rebounding numbers were.
Happy for the kid he seems to be gain ing back some of his game ...but good luck to him he is back where was pre-injury putting up great numbers for a lotto team.

If you aren't butthurt then why are you talking about his defense when the discussion is about who his point guard is?

[LnGrrrR]

Weird stat line... 17 of 24 for FGs... and no FTs? How the hell does a C not get any free throws?

[Killakobe81]

If you aren't butthurt then why are you talking about his defense when the discussion is about who his point guard is?

What the hell were YOU talking about? All Im saying is that his game was nothingto brag about because he had a horrrible +/- and the Knicks play very uptempo ...that being said Dwill is tumbling in my PG rankings regardless but AL Jeff's play has little to do with it ...he has been hurt Westbrook, Nash and Drose are playing better right now so I have no excuses for him just like I had none when Paul was hurt last year.

[Kyle Orton]

It's not about DWill in particular I'm not trying to single him out, my point was that Al Jefferson benefits from not having to deal with a PG who massages the ball till there's 5 seconds left on the shot clock.

[Kyle Orton]

So basically, if Jefferson went from playing with Nash or CP3 or DWill to not having an assist whore PG we'd see the same type of emergence. It's not just D-Will.

[Killakobe81]

It's not about DWill in particular I'm not trying to single him out, my point was that Al Jefferson benefits from not having to deal with a PG who massages the ball till there's 5 seconds left on the shot clock.

No issues and this will be last post onthe topic ...I must confess i never have been a BIG fan of AL Jeff. Maybe I judge him too hard because of who he was traded for (KG) and I just hate how he doesnt defend the paint well ...but he can score and he looks healthier ... so I will remove myself from to many AL Jeff discusions because I dont probably give him a 100% fair shake. that said I dont take back what I said ...but realize I am not impartial either ...some players we dont like.

Mine are (current): Parker, Pierce, Rondo, Kwame (LOL), Luke, Bibby, Perkins, JR smith (head not game), Baron, MO will, Luke Ridnour (dont know why but he sucks) Battier, Tony Allen, Batum Bosh and Martin (floppers)

Dont hate em for the most part just dont like 'em ...some for flopping some for defense, some for being pricks and some for being dukies ...LOL

[Pelicans78]

No issues and this will be last post onthe topic ...I must confess i never have been a BIG fan of AL Jeff. Maybe I judge him too hard because of who he was traded for (KG) and I just hate how he doesnt defend the paint well ...but he can score and he looks healthier ... so I will remove myself from to many AL Jeff discusions because I dont probably give him a 100% fair shake. that said I dont take back what I said ...but realize I am not impartial either ...some players we dont like.

Mine are (current): Parker, Pierce, Rondo, Kwame (LOL), Luke, Bibby, Perkins, JR smith (head not game), Baron, MO will, Luke Ridnour (dont know why but he sucks) Battier, Tony Allen, Batum Bosh and Martin (floppers)

Dont hate em for the most part just dont like 'em ...some for flopping some for defense, some for being pricks and some for being dukies ...LOL

I agree with everyone on your list, except for Parker. He doesn't bother me that much. I hated Baron years ago, but not i feel sorry for him.

[Kyle Orton]

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[redzero]

Sup, bro. Thornton dropped 40 today, while James Harden only had 16.

wassupwitdat?

[Kyle Orton]

James Harden brings more intangibles to the table tbh.

Plus, even scrubs like Roddy Beaubois can mess around and drop 40 on Golden State.

[redzero]

James Harden doesn't bring explosive scoring to the table.

It's quite clear at this point that Thornton will be the future GOAT and Harden will just be a solid contributor.

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh James Harden carried the worst program in NCAA division 1 basketball history to the round of 32. It would be like taking a team of D-leaguers to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

[Pelicans78]

Tbh James Harden carried the worst program in NCAA division 1 basketball history to the round of 32. It would be like taking a team of D-leaguers to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Thornton did the same for LSU and saw his team lose a close one to the eventual champs in UNC that season.

[Kyle Orton]

Thornton did the same for LSU and saw his team lose a close one to the eventual champs in UNC that season.
LSU is a decent basketball program that has seen several great players come through (Shaq, Big Baby, etc.). ASU's basketball program shoulda been a stain on its mother's dress.

[Pelicans78]

LSU is a decent basketball program that has seen several great players come through (Shaq, Big Baby, etc.). ASU's basketball program shoulda been a stain on its mother's dress.

Mario Bennett and Ike Diogu are God's gift to mankind.

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh if you wanna find good ASU products before Harden you gotta go back to Byron Scott and Fat Lever.

lol an all time great basketball alumni named Fat

[Pelicans78]

Tbh if you wanna find good ASU products before Harden you gotta go back to Byron Scott and Fat Lever.

lol an all time great basketball alumni named Fat

Hard to compete with Arizona in the same state. Elite program.