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Booharv
03-02-2011, 01:06 PM
Chris Paul is playing a different brand of basketball since his knee injury.

I've watched almost every minute of New Orleans Hornets basketball this season, and I'm telling you this:

At the tender age of 25, Chris Paul is not what he once was.

Now, before you freak out, let's consider what he has been. He's already been an MVP runner-up, a three-time All-Star, an All-NBA first- and second-teamer, and (but for fans of Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash and now Derrick Rose) the league's best point guard since he came into the league.

This season he is among the league leaders in PER, double-doubles, steals, assists, free throw percentage, 3-point shooting and assist-to-turnover ratio. For most of the season, he has looked like a prime MVP candidate.

But the Hornets have won only three games in the past month, and I've started to worry about CP3. No, I'm not worried about his visit to New York on Wednesday and what it means for his future in New Orleans -- that's too distant a concern. Instead, I spend my time worrying about the meniscus tear he suffered in his left knee about 13 months ago, on Jan. 28, 2010.

The surgery was shortly thereafter. The rehab, it appears, will go on for the rest of his life.

Among the side effects, tragically: Paul has lost one of his best weapons, the explosive first step he once used to beat any player to any spot on the floor.

Paul generally refuses to discuss his physical ailments, but he has talked about the knee injury in vague terms lately. On Jan. 29, he told the New Orleans Times-Picayune that he is "on it every day. I'm still strengthening it, trying to get it as strong as possible. At some point, it'll be where I need it to be."

At the All-Star Game last month, he said, "As I get older and older, I'll probably slow down a little bit more. I probably won't jump as high. Hopefully I just keep getting better in basketball. Just continue to work on ballhandling and shooting."

So what does it mean? Whereas Paul was once on track to be Isiah Thomas 2.0, he has become something else entirely without that lightning first step. It might be time for a new comparison: Paul has become John Stockton 2.0.

Paul was never just an athlete. To go with the blazing speed, he had an incomparable handle, court vision and basketball smarts reinforced by one of the most competitive and ruthless on-court personalities in the league.

He's still quick, elusive and able to free himself and his teammates for baskets, but these days, his play in the half court is almost entirely reliant on misdirection and clever ballhandling. He goes to the basket less, but compensates by shooting at a better clip than he has ever before. With his strength and low center of gravity intact, he often relies on running into opposing players to force them to retreat and give him room to shoot.

Or he forces the contact and draw fouls. OK, I'll admit it. He flops. A lot.

Regardless, it has been an amazing transformation over the course of less than a year. As he's encountered new limitations, he has shifted his focus to being the best floor general he can be.

Throughout his career, CP3 has been the subject of a fierce debate regarding who is the better point guard, he or longtime Utah Jazz point man Deron Williams, now plying his trade in the swamps of Jersey. In the 2005 draft, Williams went one spot ahead of Paul, and he holds the better head-to-head record, while Paul has generally put up better overall numbers and been more decorated with leaguewide honors over the years. In this debate, Paul was usually considered the speedy creator who thrived because he was untethered from obligation to run a rigid offensive system, while Williams was often believed to be constrained by Jazz coach Jerry Sloan's scripted flex offense.

But the script has flipped now. These days, it's the Utah point guard of yesteryear who comes to mind when I watch Paul play. And while it's hardly what I expected, the similarities have become striking.

Like Paul, Stockton directed his team's offensive system almost to a fault, ignoring open shots early in the shot clock to keep trying to generate open shots for his teammates. When fans want CP3 to take the open 3, he's waiting for power forward David West to pop open for a short jumper -- Stockton had Karl Malone in that role.

Paul is the current master thief, while Stockton holds the all-time record with 3,265 steals, far ahead of No. 2 Michael Jordan. In addition to great anticipation, Paul and Stockton have shown a masterful understanding of opposing offensive schemes. And each in his own way, Paul and Stockton have been known for gritty, sometimes physical play, to the point of being accused of dirty play to stymie opponents and gain an advantage.

After noticing this tendency and drafting this article, I contacted Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus and ESPN.com, who has a statistical system that identifies similar players. Pelton usually runs it for three seasons of a player's career at a time, but at my request, he examined Paul just this season, since his injury. And when Pelton ran the numbers, who did his computer cough up as the player most similar to the current Chris Paul? John Stockton.

Is it a perfect comparison? Paul turns the ball over less and rebounds far more. He also harps at referees all game while Stockton was known for his hardwood stoicism. As for Stockton's freakish hand size and short shorts, Paul isn't even in the same league.

And on his best nights, CP3 reminds us of those electrifying days from earlier in his career and the early part of the 2009-10 season. We Hornets fans harbor a secret wish for him to explode as the Paul of old when the playoffs begin -- is there some chance he has been taking it easy? -- and proceed to demolish the competition en route to a deep postseason run. Furthermore, there's hope that his knee will heal more fully by next season, whenever that begins.

In the meantime, we have to accept that he is now a different kind of incredible than he once was. That might not make him MVP, but it may still make him one of the best point guards of all time.

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/25641/a-new-role-model-for-chris-paul

Booharv
03-02-2011, 01:07 PM
I thought this article was interesting because people here think Paul can just motivate himself over a nearly shot knee. Meniscus removal (what Paul had last year) is no joke:

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=923

Killakobe81
03-02-2011, 01:26 PM
Good article. Last night redzero(?) got all pissy for me saying a lot of the same stuff. Whether Hornets fans like it or not Dwill has always been the constant comparison for Paul. And as the article pointed out, tough to compare because of the system differences...and NOW because Paul is not healthy, tough to compare still. sure Dwill has an wrist injury ...BUT Paul's injury is far worse. Maybe he is saving himself but I doubt it even when the Bees were winning he did not look like Paul ...I hope he is able to regain his form ...sure he is a flopper, but in the ASG we saw flashes that he still some of his old form left ...

But stop it with the best PG stuff ... he hasnt been that for two years at LEAST and Drose is making it a moot point now. Many here say rose is a SG playing point but the kid is the best right now. Maybe he shoots more than some purist like ... but his team needs it. Put him on a team with scorers kid could and would adapt his game.

Zelophehad
03-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Well its no secret; he is wearing a huge knee brace. I thought everyone knew he was struggling with knee problems.

Pelicans78
03-02-2011, 03:18 PM
He took the knee brace right before the All-Star break. Still not playing as well. Its a combination of his knee injury and his effort. He's coasting now.

redzero
03-02-2011, 03:19 PM
Well its no secret; he is wearing a huge knee brace. I thought everyone knew he was struggling with knee problems.

The brace is off and he is playing just as bad.

Technique
03-02-2011, 03:22 PM
What the fuck is that in your sig.

:wow

redzero
03-02-2011, 03:25 PM
What the fuck is that in your sig.

:wow

You've never seen a mouse before?

balli
03-02-2011, 03:27 PM
The difference is that John Stockton was tougher than iron nails. He didn't flop near so much as drive his shoulder into various PF/Center's guts when setting picks, sometimes getting thrown 5 feet in the process. Despite, he didn't get hurt and/or played through a lot more pain than Paul would dream of playing through.

Plus Stockton got steals picking pockets a lot more than sagging back into the passing lanes. Paul does both, but yeah, isn't half the on ball defender due to soft smallishness. He'll never be the all out competitor who's gonna bust his ass to get through screens or set a pick or scrap with his shoulders and knees.

Another little known secret about Stock is that he probably had the lowest resting pulse of anyone in the league (literally in the 30s) and was among the lowest in body fat %. He was a slow breathing chunk of granite. Paul is not that.

lefty
03-02-2011, 03:28 PM
One of the best PG's of all time?


Who the fuck wrote that piece of crap ?

j.dizzle
03-02-2011, 03:30 PM
He sure looked good in the all-star game :lol coincidence? He's saving his legs & knows NO has no chance of getting far in the playoffs or picking up any real talent.

Killakobe81
03-02-2011, 03:48 PM
He sure looked good in the all-star game :lol coincidence? He's saving his legs & knows NO has no chance of getting far in the playoffs or picking up any real talent.

I agree in the ASG he showed some flashes ...but still wasnt the old CP3 ...however, playing in the ASG is perfect for his skill set. He is great at steals, he doesnt committ a lot of TO's himself and he knows how to run a break and create. Plus his lack of size on defense doesnt matter because no one plays defense in the game except Lebron, Manu and kobe ...

ElNono
03-02-2011, 03:49 PM
He sure looked good in the all-star game :lol coincidence? He's saving his legs & knows NO has no chance of getting far in the playoffs or picking up any real talent.

This :lol

Pelicans78
03-02-2011, 03:53 PM
The difference is that John Stockton was tougher than iron nails. He didn't flop near so much as drive his shoulder into various PF/Center's guts when setting picks, sometimes getting thrown 5 feet in the process. Despite, he didn't get hurt and/or played through a lot more pain than Paul would dream of playing through.

Plus Stockton got steals picking pockets a lot more than sagging back into the passing lanes. Paul does both, but yeah, isn't half the on ball defender due to soft smallishness. He'll never be the all out competitor who's gonna bust his ass to get through screens or set a pick or scrap with his shoulders and knees.

Another little known secret about Stock is that he probably had the lowest resting pulse of anyone in the league (literally in the 30s) and was among the lowest in body fat %. He was a slow breathing chunk of granite. Paul is not that.

He may not be exactly like Stockton, but he's as close as anyone in the league, at least before his knee inuury. Actually more explosively driving to the basket and better finishing in the paint before his injury.

Don't pretend Stockton never flopped or wasn't savy enough to get calls from the officials because Stockton was all that and more. Dude was tugging jerseys and slapping wrists with the best of them.

balli
03-02-2011, 03:58 PM
Don't pretend Stockton never flopped or wasn't savy enough to get calls from the officials because Stockton was all that and more. Dude was tugging jerseys and slapping wrists with the best of them.
Sure. It wasn't his go to move though, to flop. Dude was a extremely tough. Pulling jerseys, hacking wrists, banging knees, slamming shoulders into people- that's not flopping, that's like you said, being savvy and physical.


He may not be exactly like Stockton, but he's as close as anyone in the league, at least before his knee inuury. Actually more explosively driving to the basket and better finishing in the paint before his injury.
And I'll give you that Paul was quicker, not substantially, but clearly... too bad he did get injured, early in his career. And that meniscus isn't growing back anytime soon.

As far as being a better finisher: Stockton chose to pass. He was a tremendous scorer when he wanted or needed to be. People knock, including in the op article, him for passing up his own shot in order to pass. I don't. But Stockton could have scored A LOT more, were that his wont. Even without matching Paul's former lightening speed.

Pelicans78
03-02-2011, 04:01 PM
Sure. It wasn't his go to move though, to flop. Dude was a extremely tough. Pulling jerseys, hacking wrists, banging knees, slamming shoulders into people- that's not flopping, that's like you said, being savvy and physical.

True. I guess different era back then as well. Stockton was durable and still played at a solid level in his early 40s. Doubt CP3 will last that long.

Muser
03-02-2011, 04:24 PM
Paul will be lucky to play into his early 30's.

Veterinarian
03-02-2011, 04:36 PM
If Chris Paul really had heart he would grow back his meniscus.

Pelicans78
03-02-2011, 04:38 PM
Sure. It wasn't his go to move though, to flop. Dude was a extremely tough. Pulling jerseys, hacking wrists, banging knees, slamming shoulders into people- that's not flopping, that's like you said, being savvy and physical.

And I'll give you that Paul was quicker, not substantially, but clearly... too bad he did get injured, early in his career. And that meniscus isn't growing back anytime soon.

As far as being a better finisher: Stockton chose to pass. He was a tremendous scorer when he wanted or needed to be. People knock, including in the op article, him for passing up his own shot in order to pass. I don't. But Stockton could have scored A LOT more, were that his wont. Even without matching Paul's former lightening speed.

I agree with mostly everything you said, but I think CP3 could finish in the paint better.