Cuban claims Spurs bias in trade talks

[SenorSpur]

Making a guest appearance on a local Dallas radio show this morning, Mavs owner, Mark Cuban talked about a myriad of issues - including yes, Corey Brewer. He compared Brewer to Thabo Sefalosha or Nicolas Batum, in that he would become their new designated defensive specialist. More on Brewer later.

Cuban claims trade bias on the part of some teams: The surprising piece of commentary were his allegations about biases in trade talk among some NBA teams. He claimed that across the NBA, there are known cliques, whereas some teams are more willing to deal with certain teams, moreso than others. He laid out claims specific to teams that have a "Spurs pedigree" (meaning former Spurs personnel in front office positions). Team that have, on occasion, been unwilling to deal directly with the Mavs. He cited one particular situation where he offered up a trade package to a specific team, a team with a Spurs pedigree, for a specific player - only to have his trade proposal denied. He went on to claim that later, that same team settled for, what he considered to be, an inferior package from another team.

Cuban also claimed that "we're always willing to deal with most any team." However, "there is such a competitive rivalry between "us and the Spurs" that would probably "preclude us from doing any deals with them." when he went back and asked said team, why they rejected their proposal, the answer he got was "we looked up and down your roster and didn't see anything we wanted."

Another note on the Brewer trade (this did not come from Cuban). In listening to another show on our local ESPN affiliate in Dallas, the hosts cliamed that according to their sources, "the Spurs are "furious about not getting Brewer and losing him to the Mavs."

Disclaimer: These are not my opinions. Just those of the local talking heads and their controversial owner.

[ohmwrecker]

He is out of his fucking mind . . .

[101A]

As far as I can tell, even if the accusation were true; it doesn't violate any rule.

Loyalty, class and honor have their rewards.

Props to the Spurs for fostering them.

[lefty]

So what?

Rivals rarely trade to each other

[sefant77]

In before "whining".

But again, of course he has a point. Why you think the Grizzlies did the Gasol trade over night without even consulting offers over several days.

[ohmwrecker]

But again, of course he has a point. Why you think the Grizzlies did the Gasol trade over night without even consulting offers over several days.

WTF does that have to with the Spurs?

[Phillip]

yeah, there most likely is some truth to what he said in terms of dealing with rivals and having "pedigree" of previous teams. im sure people who had previous major relations with boston is not likely to be very willing to deal with the lakers, and vice versa. in the past, im sure there was no chance in hell that rivals like Chicago and Detroit would deal with each other, or the Lakers and Kings. in this case, its the Mavs and Spurs.

[DesignatedT]

Pretty badass if true.

[Phillip]

WTF does that have to with the Spurs?

because in this case, its about the Spurs/Mavs rivalry. like I just posted, i strongly doubt that people who were heavily involved in the Lakers/Celtics rivalry would want to have dealings with those teams.

in that case, Jerry West giftwrapped Gasol to LA, because he is still a Laker at heart.

[Trainwreck2100]

without being able to compare the offers this is bs, and what team has a "spurs pedigree" besides the thunder. And there's no way in fuck they would trade to them.

[ohmwrecker]

Just show me where the Spurs have ever directly benefited from this "pedigree". Anyone?

[ohmwrecker]

without being able to compare the offers this is bs, and what team has a "spurs pedigree" besides the thunder. And there's no way in fuck they would trade to them.

The Hornets, but neither of those teams would trade with the Spurs either because we're in the same division.

[Mugen]

i guess Danny Ferry balked at Donnie/Mark's trade proposal of Roddy for LeBron straight up last year. :cry:cry:cry:cry

[DarkGinobili]

LOL Cuban

[Warlord23]

So basically, Donnie and Mark are misunderstood geniuses who are being obstructed by the Spurs and their buddies around the league :cry. If not for the Spurs, these cats would have been working on a five-peat by now :cry:cry

[Trainwreck2100]

maybe phoenix, but Blanks is an idiot anyway

[Harry Callahan]

My guess is the station was 103.3FM and the Ben/Skin show. These clowns are known Maverick shills with a huge chip on their collective shoulder as it relates to the Spurs.

The Brewer signing was met with a collective YAWN from Galloway and company on the same station yesterday. They know what the guy is. An average to below average player.

[Phillip]

Just show me where the Spurs have ever directly benefited from this "pedigree". Anyone?

No one here is saying that they did. That was Mark Cuban's claim. I'm just saying that its not something that should be much of a suprise, considering teams around the league tend to have relationships like that. Lakers/Celtics never do deals with each other, while when West was with Memphis, he giftwrapped them Gasol. Teams like the Nets tend to be very open to doing trades with the Mavericks due to good relations, but Mavs/Spurs never do deals with each other.

Pretty much all he is saying is that relationships with teams/FO members can heavily affect how the trade market operates. If it wasn't for a relationship with Jerry West, there would have been a different NBA champion the past two seasons.

[Phillip]

My guess is the station was 103.3FM and the Ben/Skin show. These clowns are known Maverick shills with a huge chip on their collective shoulder as it relates to the Spurs.

The Brewer signing was met with a collective YAWN from Galloway and company on the same station yesterday. They know what the guy is. An average to below average player.

No, it was on the Ticket with Norm.

[SenorSpur]

WTF does that have to with the Spurs?

Uh, allegation made against the Spurs...duh

[Phillip]

So basically, Donnie and Mark are misunderstood geniuses who are being obstructed by the Spurs and their buddies around the league :cry. If not for the Spurs, these cats would have been working on a five-peat by now :cry:cry

It's not what he was saying at all. I was listening to it. He was just pointing out how relationships affect the trade market.

[Trainwreck2100]

No one here is saying that they did. That was Mark Cuban's claim. I'm just saying that its not something that should be much of a suprise, considering teams around the league tend to have relationships like that. Lakers/Celtics never do deals with each other, while when West was with Memphis, he giftwrapped them Gasol. Teams like the Nets tend to be very open to doing trades with the Mavericks due to good relations, but Mavs/Spurs never do deals with each other.

Pretty much all he is saying is that relationships with teams/FO members can heavily affect how the trade market operates. If it wasn't for a relationship with Jerry West, there would have been a different NBA champion the past two seasons.

Yeah but of the teams that made the deals this year who had a spurs pedigree? The only one i can think of is PHO

[spursfan09]

Was Dirk included in any of those trade talks?

Or the likes of Jason Terry?

Some teams have standards and don't want thier players hitting others in thier family jewels.

[bus driver]

:lol

in their heads, damn i love the SPURS :flag:

[greyforest]

He laid out claims specific to teams that have a "Spurs pedigree" (meaning former Spurs personnel in front office positions). Team that have, on occasion, been unwilling to deal directly with the Mavs. He cited one particular situation where he offered up a trade package to a specific team, a team with a Spurs pedigree, for a specific player - only to have his trade proposal denied. He went on to claim that later, that same team settled for, what he considered to be, an inferior package from another team.

Best FO in the league.:flag:

[GSH]

I wonder if Cuban has ever bothered to question why teams don't have Mavericks pedigrees? It's because nobody wants to try and replicate his "system".

There may be some truth to the idea that players who have been in Dallas are tainted. Cuban is certainly a big enough taint.

[Phillip]

The Brewer signing was met with a collective YAWN from Galloway and company on the same station yesterday. They know what the guy is. An average to below average player.

Pretty much what Bruce Bowen was. A very average to below average player, who had one skillset (man-to-man defense) that happened to benefit his team greatly.

That's pretty much what Brewer brings to the Mavs, filling a void at SF that they have (strong wing-defender, youth, athleticism). No one is saying he will benefit the Mavs like Bowen did for the Spurs, but to dismiss the pickup as being a *yawn* could end up being extremely incorrect.

[rjv]

cuban is the perpetual spoiled brat. if you don't get your way, go cry about it to the world.

[Harry Callahan]

If the Mavericks had better management, maybe there would be a number of teams with a "Mavericks" pedigree. Instead, Markie Mark is all alone with no one there to do him a solid.

By the way, how is it that OKC (run by Presti) traded with Dallas two years ago and the Mavericks ended up with Roddy B?

I wish Cuban would shut his mouth for about six months straight because most of what comes out is self serving nonsense.

[Phillip]

Yeah but of the teams that made the deals this year who had a spurs pedigree? The only one i can think of is PHO

looks like 4 teams already have been listed on this first page, Cavs, Hornets, Thunder, and Suns.

[ohmwrecker]

Pretty much all he is saying is that relationships with teams/FO members can heavily affect how the trade market operates. If it wasn't for a relationship with Jerry West, there would have been a different NBA champion the past two seasons.

Pip, it's obvious that certain teams are not going to deal with each other (division/playoff rivals). Cuban is, not so subtly, implying that the Spurs have a hand in other teams not dealing with the Mavs because of this "pedigree" when there are perfectly sane, logical and sound business reasons not to.

Cuban is once again showing his big, red, swollen baboon ass.

[Harry Callahan]

Pretty much what Bruce Bowen was. A very average to below average player, who had one skillset (man-to-man defense) that happened to benefit his team greatly.

That's pretty much what Brewer brings to the Mavs, filling a void at SF that they have (strong wing-defender, youth, athleticism). No one is saying he will benefit the Mavs like Bowen did for the Spurs, but to dismiss the pickup as being a *yawn* could end up being extremely incorrect.

That was Galloway and his crew with that take. Not me. I wish he signed here but Dallas often will have trade exceptions and cap room because of the bad and/or overpriced contracts they can trade.

[Phillip]

:lmao

what else is new, spurfans talking out of their ass, just because Cuban states the truth, he is "asshurt". he said it on a fucking local radio station, not on ESPN or anything like that, trying to complain to the world.

[rjv]

Pretty much what Bruce Bowen was. A very average to below average player, who had one skillset (man-to-man defense) that happened to benefit his team greatly.

That's pretty much what Brewer brings to the Mavs, filling a void at SF that they have (strong wing-defender, youth, athleticism). No one is saying he will benefit the Mavs like Bowen did for the Spurs, but to dismiss the pickup as being a *yawn* could end up being extremely incorrect.

for all the hoopla about these players we have to keep in mind that

1) bibby is old and can not defend.

2) brewer is one dimensional

3) curry is a fat slob

4) murphy is injury prone

now can they all help their teams..of course they can...but will they be difference makers? highly unlikely. when the spurs played the t-wolves this year i can't recall ever saying "wow..corey brewer is killing us ! "

i said that about love and beasley but i don't even recall brewer being out there to tell you the truth.

[Phillip]

That was Galloway and his crew with that take. Not me. I wish he signed here but Dallas often will have trade exceptions and cap room because of the bad and/or overpriced contracts they can trade.

You said "They know what the guy is. An average to below average player."

Sounds to me like you reflect the same sentiments, likely one of the stupidshits who were ready to suck Brewers dick if he came to the spurs, but since hes a Mavs, hes not that good. :rolleyes

[Trainwreck2100]

looks like 4 teams already have been listed on this first page, Cavs, Hornets, Thunder, and Suns.


Ferry's fired lol mo williams, thunder got PERKINS and was considered the steal of the deadline, so i don't think cubes was offered something better. Why would NOH trade within their own division? That's why im assuming its phoenix.

[Bruno]

He cited one particular situation where he offered up a trade package to a specific team, a team with a Spurs pedigree, for a specific player - only to have his trade proposal denied. He went on to claim that later, that same team settled for, what he considered to be, an inferior package from another team.


While it makes few doubts that there are privilege connections between some franchise, I question how Cuban value his own players. He overrated players like Beaubois or Kidd. At the end, maybe Cuban thought his trade package was better while, in reality, it wasn't.

And Cuban would have better connections with other teams if he stopped to bitch about everything.

[Phillip]

for all the hoopla about these players we have to keep in mind that

1) bibby is old and can not defend.

2) brewer is one dimensional

3) curry is a fat slob

4) murphy is injury prone

now can they all help their teams..of course they can...but will they be difference makers? highly unlikely. when the spurs played the t-wolves this year i can't recall ever saying "wow..corey brewer is killing us ! "

i said that about love and beasley but i don't even recall brewer being out there to tell you the truth.

The Mavs arent getting Brewer to go out there and put up points and be some massive difference maker on a nightly basis. They want him to hustle and chip in some defense when the team needs it most. Especially if Shawn Marion gets plagued with foul trouble, considering he is their only long wing defender they have right now.

It gives them depth in an area they needed depth badly.

[sefant77]

I wonder if Cuban has ever bothered to question why teams don't have Mavericks pedigrees? It's because nobody wants to try and replicate his "system".

There are teams with a friendly connection to the Mavs. Raptors, Bobcats, Nets...

[Phillip]

Ferry's fired lol mo williams, thunder got PERKINS and was considered the steal of the deadline, so i don't think cubes was offered something better. Why would NOH trade within their own division? That's why im assuming its phoenix.

I didnt know Ferry was gone, but its not shocking.

I don't recall Cuban saying that this was an issue that happened during this years trade market. It could have been something from the past, I have no idea. He didn't give any real details.

[ohmwrecker]

:cryThe Spurs won't let me make trades!:cry

[ohmwrecker]

He didn't give any real details.

That's because he's full of shit.

[Phillip]

That's because he's full of shit.

ok

[Harry Callahan]

You said "They know what the guy is. An average to below average player."

Sounds to me like you reflect the same sentiments, likely one of the stupidshits who were ready to suck Brewers dick if he came to the spurs, but since hes a Mavs, hes not that good. :rolleyes

No stupid here. Someone who features Tom Green and South Park like phillip has more of a corner on stupid than I do. Sorry.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't get why everyone is bashing Cuban. He didn't say anything out of the ordinary.

Like it has been stated many times in this thread, rival teams don't deal with each other. The Spurs have a lot of their protege's spread out over the NBA in other front offices, so it's not a huge surprising that some of them may not want to work with Cuban.

I'm sure the Spurs would have a hard time trying to trade with the Lakers.

[Mugen]

No stupid here. Someone who features Tom Green and South Park like phillip has more of a corner on stupid than I do. Sorry.

talk shit about Mark Cuban and Tom Green all you want, but you leave South Park alone. :ihit

[Harry Callahan]

The reason for me disliking Cuban is that I live in DFW, and the hot air NEVER stops. Just shut up and get your team out of the first round a little more often.

A yankee blowhard insulting my hometown at every opportunity gives me very little reason for sympathy or empathy.

[Phillip]

No stupid here. Someone who features Tom Green and South Park like phillip has more of a corner on stupid than I do. Sorry.

oooh clever :toast

[spursfan09]

Avery Johnson didn't get this memo.

[Rummpd]

This from an baffonish owner up for renewed federal insider trading irregularities.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/21/us-sec-cuban-lawsuit-idUSTRE68K33E20100921

[Harry Callahan]

talk shit about Mark Cuban and Tom Green all you want, but you leave South Park alone. :ihit

Fair enough.

[Phillip]

The reason for me disliking Cuban is that I live in DFW, and the hot air NEVER stops. Just shut up and get your team out of the first round a little more often.

A yankee blowhard insulting my hometown at every opportunity gives me very little reason for sympathy or empathy.

I live in DFW too, and there isnt nearly as much hot air as you suggest.

[ohmwrecker]

I don't get why everyone is bashing Cuban. He didn't say anything out of the ordinary.

Like it has been stated many times in this thread, rival teams don't deal with each other. The Spurs have a lot of their protege's spread out over the NBA in other front offices, so it's not a huge surprising that some of them may not want to work with Cuban.

I'm sure the Spurs would have a hard time trying to trade with the Lakers.

No shit. Cuban is implying that the Spurs are blocking Mavs trades with other teams through former employees.:lol If it's not a big deal, why say anything at all? What's his motivation?

If I said something like, "Nobody wants to work with Cuban because he is a gigantic asshole." Mavfans would have a coronary, but it's just as valid as what Cuban is saying. There are plenty of reasons why a conference/division rival would not trade with the Mavs.

The Suns?! They wouldn't trade with the Spurs either.

[Harry Callahan]

I live in DFW too, and there isnt nearly as much hot air as you suggest.

Maybe so. I tend to remember stuff I guess (especially when Cubes commenting on my team).

Maybe it's in comparison to Holt, Pop, and Buford who have next to nothing to say and are pretty milk toast.

[4down]

Cuban burns bridges becasue he thinks he can just pay for new ones.

Maybe the way he did Don nelson makes some hesitant to deal with him as well...

[elbamba]

Cuban claims trade bias on the part of some teams: The surprising piece of commentary were his allegations about biases in trade talk among some NBA teams. He claimed that across the NBA, there are known cliques, whereas some teams are more willing to deal with certain teams, moreso than others. He laid out claims specific to teams that have a "Spurs pedigree" (meaning former Spurs personnel in front office positions). Team that have, on occasion, been unwilling to deal directly with the Mavs. He cited one particular situation where he offered up a trade package to a specific team, a team with a Spurs pedigree, for a specific player - only to have his trade proposal denied. He went on to claim that later, that same team settled for, what he considered to be, an inferior package from another team.

Cuban also claimed that "we're always willing to deal with most any team." However, "there is such a competitive rivalry between "us and the Spurs" that would probably "preclude us from doing any deals with them." when he went back and asked said team, why they rejected their proposal, the answer he got was "we looked up and down your roster and didn't see anything we wanted."



Cuban has been good at overvaluing talent for years. See Shawn Bradley, Marion, Haywood, Van Horn, and the many other absurd contracts he has handed out over the years. His opinion on greater value could never be trusted.

[Phillip]

No shit. Cuban is implying that the Spurs are blocking Mavs trades with other teams through former employees.:lol If it's not a big deal, why say anything at all? What's his motivation?

If I said something like, "Nobody wants to work with Cuban because he is a gigantic asshole." Mavfans would have a coronary, but it's just as valid as what Cuban is saying. There are plenty of reasons why a conference/division rival would not trade with the Mavs.

The Suns?! They wouldn't trade with the Spurs either.

And this is exactly why I keep saying there is no reason for spurfans to get their panties in a wad. He stated the obvious that teams have varying relationships with each other in the trade market, and noted that there were instances where it happened between him and previous Spurs employees, which isnt anything that should be a shocker.

It's being taken completely the wrong way because 1) these are spurfans we are talking about, they get asshurt about anything Maverick or Laker related, and 2) the title of the thread made it seem like hes running around bitching, when in fact he was just answering a question he was asked on a local radio show.

[Fpoonsie]

I didn't hear the show, but Norm isn't one to try to incite something for the sake of a good soundbyte. Had Cuban been responding to something Dan McDowell or Snake/Danny asked, then I could imagine there was some venom intended in the question.

Obvious answer is (apparently) obvious. Norm isn't known for his hard-hitting interviews.

[Fpoonsie]

I, however, still reserve the right to become irate when Terry answers what color the sky is...

[Phillip]

Maybe so. I tend to remember stuff I guess (especially when Cubes commenting on my team).

Maybe it's in comparison to Holt, Pop, and Buford who have next to nothing to say and are pretty milk toast.

Understandable.

Ive said in the past, I can really understand why spurfans dont like a guy like Terry, but Cuban hasnt really done anything malicious to the Spurs, and consistently shows respect toward that organization and team. The worst thing he did was call the riverwalk a dirty river or something like that, which has absolutely nothing to do with the Spurs. Or I guess when he said he "hates" the Spurs, but talking more in a team rivalry standpoint than anything, but quickly reiterated that he has the utmost respect for the Spurs and aknowledged how well run their organziation is, and how the Mavs strive to win championships as they have.

Spurfans just get too emotional over their team (since its all they have I guess), and any time there is a comment made about the Spurs, if its not sucking the spurs off, then instantly its a slight, and they get all asshurt.

[Obstructed_View]

If Mark Cuban would shut the fuck up and act like a professional, that's probably less likely to happen. When half the league's teams have an ex-Spur in their front office or on their coaching staff, what does he expect? Interesting to see that he hasn't learned a lesson about being careful what he says.

As for the second part, guys on ESPN radio up here read Spurstalk. They're obviously confusing the Spurs with the Spurs fanbase on the Brewer issue. The Mavs would have claimed him off waivers before they let the Spurs have him. Getting him was a longshot, and anyone with a brain knew that.

[ohmwrecker]

I am actually just entertained by Cuban tbh. He is a never-ending source of amusement.

[Budkin]

He's always been obsessed with the Spurs and what they have... and the Mavs don't.

[gospursgojas]

What hes suggesting is true...and so what? Business' do business with familier or loyal ties all the time.

If he wasn't such a jackass teams would wanna deal w him more. You can't consistantly bash other team's players, coaches, front offices, CITIES and then expect people to wanna deal with you.

[xmas1997]

I live in DFW too, and there isnt nearly as much hot air as you suggest.

That is preposterous. You are absolutely wrong about that. Could it be you are too biased to notice? Obviously!
I live here too and for the most part it is a great place to live although the most beautiful part of Texas is the Austin/San Antonio/Hill Country corridor IMHO, but to try to delude others into believing that there isn't way too much hot air over the airwaves here. That is simply not true, others have mentioned it many many times before and I deal with it on a daily basis, end of story
:flag:.

[boutons_deux]

VSBC

Vast Spurs Bias Conspiracy.

[xmas1997]

What hes suggesting is true...and so what? Business' do business with familier or loyal ties all the time.

If he wasn't such a jackass teams would wanna deal w him more. You can't consistently bash other team's players, coaches, front offices, CITIES and then expect people to wanna deal with you.

It is no mistake that Cuban is known as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, whiners in the NBA. Few will deal with someone like that especially with all the bashing he does, or encourages his players like Terry to do.
Besides, I don't recall the Spurs doing any dealings with any division rivals except Houston and that was in the Scola fiasco, and there were no Spurs pedigrees in place there.
And don't tell me he believes in CIA Pop. :rollin

[Phillip]

That is preposterous. You are absolutely wrong about that. Could it be you are too biased to notice? Obviously!
I live here too and for the most part it is a great place to live although the most beautiful part of Texas is the Austin/San Antonio/Hill Country corridor IMHO, but to try to delude others into believing that there isn't way too much hot air over the airwaves here. That is simply not true, others have mentioned it many many times before and I deal with it on a daily basis, end of story
:flag:.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[xmas1997]

What the fuck are you talking about?


Don't plat coy all of sudden, it doesn't behoove you! :nope

[Phillip]

Don't plat coy all of sudden, it doesn't behoove you! :nope

Either you are trying to be funny and are failing miserably, or you are fucking retarded.

[xmas1997]

Either you are trying to be funny and are failing miserably, or you are fucking retarded.

Is that the best you can do? Pathetic!

[jjktkk]

Either you are trying to be funny and are failing miserably, or you are fucking retarded.

Whose exactly butthurt? Defending Cuban, a whiny bitch, makes you come across as a butthurt Mavs fan Phillip.

[hater]

He's just in denial that nobody likes him. Trying to put excuses here and there, but the truth is nobody likes him.

[Seventyniner]

Cuban's just setting more bridges on fire. It's ironic that his past actions have likely led to his current predicament.

[Phillip]

Is that the best you can do? Pathetic!

The problem is because you are stupid enough to think that we literally were talking about "hot air" being in DFW, in terms of weather. I can't tell whether you are actually being retarded enough to think that I feel that DFW does not literally get hot, or if you are trying to be funny and put a play on the words used of "hot air", or if you actually understood what we were talking about (hot air being Cuban talking nonsense), and are making an incorrect claim considering Cuban hasnt really said much if anything at all lately about the Spurs.


Whose exactly butthurt? Defending Cuban, a whiny bitch, makes you come across as a butthurt Mavs fan Phillip.

Then I guess the spurfans here who had the same sentiments as I did are butthurt as well, as there were several spurfan posters here who likewise claimed that it was taken out of context by dumbass gnsf like yourself and that he pretty much stated the obvious, something that should be no suprise to any of us.

[Phillip]

He's just in denial that nobody likes him. Trying to put excuses here and there, but the truth is nobody likes him.

Never denied it whatsoever. Funny coming from you, thinking that comparing a rookie Blake Griffin to an old Tim Duncan has a lot of relevance to a Prime Kukoc vs. Prime Odom conversation. :rolleyes

[ohmwrecker]

This thread has taken a hilariously absurd path.

[Phillip]

thanks to gnsf providing more retardation to the forum. i rarely post here, but i dont know how you can deal with these dispshits.

[ohmwrecker]

It ain't easy.

[Vic Petro]

Clearly the Spurs are in his head. And Jason Terry's head. And Dirk's head. Etc, etc etc. If they gave out trophy's for whining the Mavs would be the friggin Lakers.

[E-RockWill]

:wakeup...:blah...:sleep...:madrun...:lmao...

:corn:

Pretty much recaps the thread.....

[GrandeDavid]

If the Mavericks had better management, maybe there would be a number of teams with a "Mavericks" pedigree. Instead, Markie Mark is all alone with no one there to do him a solid.

By the way, how is it that OKC (run by Presti) traded with Dallas two years ago and the Mavericks ended up with Roddy B?

I wish Cuban would shut his mouth for about six months straight because most of what comes out is self serving nonsense.

Excellent take. Couldn't have said it better myself!

[MannyIsGod]

There's a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread. Cuban wasn't blaming the Spurs at all.

That being said, Bruno hit th ball out of the park with his post. Cuban overvalues his assets all the damn time and it would not surprise me that most people in the league hate him because he's a neverending windbag. Dude just needs to learn to STFU for awhile.

[Obstructed_View]

There's a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread. Cuban wasn't blaming the Spurs at all.

Blaming? No. Although his track record is pretty clear of never skipping an opportunity to a) say whatever pops into his head if there's a microphone nearby b) bag on the Spurs, c) blame others for any failure or d) all of the above.

[Phillip]

:cry :cry b) bag on the Spurs :cry :cry

[Obstructed_View]

Oh, look who's butthurt. Transference is funny.

[Spurs Brazil]

Nothing new. Cuban just crying because the Spurs have 4 and he has nothing

[Trill Clinton]

He's obsessed with the Spurs organization:lol

[jjktkk]

thanks to gnsf providing more retardation to the forum. i rarely post here, but i dont know how you can deal with these dispshits.

:cry gnsf, oh the horror of it all. Phillip you're becoming the Mark Cuban of this thread. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Blaming? No. Although his track record is pretty clear of never skipping an opportunity to a) say whatever pops into his head if there's a microphone nearby b) bag on the Spurs, c) blame others for any failure or d) all of the above.

Did you just not bother to read the 2nd part of my post?

[Phillip]

Did you just not bother to read the 2nd part of my post?

:lol

typcial OV

[Obstructed_View]

Did you just not bother to read the 2nd part of my post?

Part of it's exactly what I said earlier, but yes I read it. So fucking what? It wasn't all that insightful or original, and as a result wasn't really worthy of a response. You want a cookie?

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

typcial OV

Welcome to butthurt, population you.

[UnWantedTheory]

As far as I can tell, even if the accusation were true; it doesn't violate any rule.

Loyalty, class and honor have their rewards.

Props to the Spurs for fostering them.


Pretty badass if true.

[G-Nob]

There's a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread. Cuban wasn't blaming the Spurs at all.

That being said, Bruno hit th ball out of the park with his post. Cuban overvalues his assets all the damn time and it would not surprise me that most people in the league hate him because he's a neverending windbag. Dude just needs to learn to STFU for awhile.

Yes, props to Bruno with a great point. Overvaluing is the first part. The second part is if his example were pointing to a "spurs pedigree" do you really think Presti and Blanks give a damn about what makes the Spurs better anymore? Or the fact they're keeping quality players away from Dallas other than to keep them out of the Conference? Anything to what Cuban's suggesting means their focus is still on the Spurs and not their own teams and that would be taking money out of their own pockets.

[Phillip]

Welcome to butthurt, population you.

So how long were you on the shitter last night brainstorming lines to use on Spurstalk? Because you really put a lot of thought into that one :tu

[jsandiego]

I'm a 20-year die-hard SPURSfan, live in D/FW, listen to The Ticket, and heard Norm's interview with Cuban this morning. Phillip is right. It wasn't sour grapes or anything. He even refused to comment on labor/CBA issues for either the NBA or the NFL because he would get fined for it. If he refused to talk about the "controversial" issues, he certainly didn't view his statements on trades as controversial -- just the facts.

Fact: Spurs & Mavs are rivals, why would they trade with each other?
Fact: Certain teams/coaches have a pedigree (Cuban mentioned the coaching trees of Nellie and Pop), and those respective lineages would rather deal with each other first than other teams.

It's just a matter of relationship building -- that's what business is all about. Cuban said nothing very controversial, but it was pretty open and informative.

Cuban acts like a spoiled brat behind the bench, but when it comes to the business side of sports, technology trends, or entrepreneurship, I shut my mouth, listen, and try not to view it through my fiesta-colored glasses.

[ohmwrecker]

Did you just not bother to read the 2nd part of my post?

Did you bother to read the OP?

[wontstartdumbthreads]

Did you bother to read the OP?

Ugh. That would take FOREVER. The easiest thing to do if you're not planning on saying anything pertinent is to just read the title of the thread and skip to the last page.

[Phillip]

I'm a 20-year die-hard SPURSfan, live in D/FW, listen to The Ticket, and heard Norm's interview with Cuban this morning. Phillip is right. It wasn't sour grapes or anything. He even refused to comment on labor/CBA issues for either the NBA or the NFL because he would get fined for it. If he refused to talk about the "controversial" issues, he certainly didn't view his statements on trades as controversial -- just the facts.

Fact: Spurs & Mavs are rivals, why would they trade with each other?
Fact: Certain teams/coaches have a pedigree (Cuban mentioned the coaching trees of Nellie and Pop), and those respective lineages would rather deal with each other first than other teams.

It's just a matter of relationship building -- that's what business is all about. Cuban said nothing very controversial, but it was pretty open and informative.

Cuban acts like a spoiled brat behind the bench, but when it comes to the business side of sports, technology trends, or entrepreneurship, I shut my mouth, listen, and try not to view it through my fiesta-colored glasses.

Cool. Someone who actually listened to the fucking interview, instead of people just paraphrasing specific apsects to take it out of context, and other spurfans taking it and running with it

"cuban is whining :cry he has too much money :cry :cry he talks to much about the spurs even though he never says anything about the spurs :cry :cry"

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Mark Puban.

And here, I only read the title but none of the posts at all.

[ElNono]

One has to wonder why there's no similar "Mavs pedigree" spread around the league...

[ohmwrecker]

"cuban is whining :cry he has too much money :cry :cry he talks to much about the spurs even though he never says anything about the spurs :cry :cry"

Come on. We do it because it's fun. If the Spurs owner was a braying jackass, you guys would do it too.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

One has to wonder why there's no similar "Mavs pedigree" spread around the league...

and here's a great opportunity for a momma joke without even needing to understand what the thread is about. But ElNono usually makes good points so no momma joke.

[Phillip]

Come on. We do it because it's fun. If the Spurs owner was a braying jackass, you guys would do it too.

I'm sure there may be some Mavs fans that would. Me personally? No.

[jjktkk]

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4972/markcuban.png

[ohmwrecker]

I'm sure there may be some Mavs fans that would. Me personally? No.

lol

[Phillip]

One has to wonder why there's no similar "Mavs pedigree" spread around the league...

As already noted earlier in this thread, the Mavs do have good relationships with other teams, such as the Raptors, Nets, and Bobcats. Trade talks happen quite frequently between them.

[Phillip]

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4972/markcuban.png

4 rings faggot!

[td4mvp21]

If true, good. I hope they fuck him over more in the future :toast

[weebo]

4 rings forgot!!









Figured that was all that was missing here...

[Blackjack]

Gotta admit, this does sound like the type of butthurt that would have a billionaire owner allow his ability to sign a player that would help a rival overwrite his actual need for said player. :stirpot:

[jjktkk]

Empty trophy case makes me cry!

[Bill_Brasky]

Any other team's fanbase would have been tired of Cube's bullshit long ago...he talks and talks and never produces the desired results, depiste having very competitive and decent teams. Dallas is a city full of egotistical, retarded fucksticks though so it makes sense that they would enjoy his company.

[MannyIsGod]

Part of it's exactly what I said earlier, but yes I read it. So fucking what? It wasn't all that insightful or original, and as a result wasn't really worthy of a response. You want a cookie?


Welcome to butthurt, population you.

I do think its fairly ironic you make that post and then you follow it up with one calling someone else butt hurt. I ever said my post was insightful, I was just wondering why you would quote me and then post pretty much exactly what I had just said. I also don't understand why if it wasn't worth of a response you gave it just that.

I however, would like a cookie. Oatmeal raisin please!

[crc21209]

:cry:cry:cry Teams that have people that were affiliated with the Spurs wont trade with us. So what, big deal. The guy ALWAYS has to open his mouth....

[MannyIsGod]

Did you bother to read the OP?

What part of my posts have indicated I didn't read the OP?

[Texas_Ranger]

cry me a river Mark. :cry

[MannyIsGod]

One has to wonder why there's no similar "Mavs pedigree" spread around the league...

Thats were Cuban should start but you can't make a leopard changes his spots.

[Obstructed_View]

I do think its fairly ironic you make that post and then you follow it up with one calling someone else butt hurt. I ever said my post was insightful, I was just wondering why you would quote me and then post pretty much exactly what I had just said. I also don't understand why if it wasn't worth of a response you gave it just that.

I however, would like a cookie. Oatmeal raisin please!

Since you posted pretty much exactly what I said, perhaps I was agreeing with you. The second part wasn't worthy of a response, which is why I didn't respond to it. You need to work on your reading comprehension or maybe just stop clicking on threads with a chip on your shoulder.

PS: Phillip is butt hurt. I guess you misinterpreted the :cry :cry :cry posts when someone dared to disagree with him about how Mark Cuban and Dallas sports radio have never been anything but respectful and complimentary of the Spurs and San Antonio in general. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

cry me a river Mark. :cry

I see what you did there...

[Phillip]

PS: Phillip is butt hurt. I guess you misinterpreted the :cry :cry :cry posts when someone dared to disagree with him about how Mark Cuban and Dallas sports radio have never been anything but respectful and complimentary of the Spurs and San Antonio in general. :lol

And where did I disagree that Cuban or Dallas sports radio has NEVER been anything but respectful and complimentary of the Spurs and San Antonio in general?

where did Dallas sports radio come into the discussion?

lastly who gives a shit about the city of San Antonio? how is that remotely relevant to this?

[cd98]

Do we really think GMs are not doing deals with Dallas? Please. After what New Jersey got for the aging Jason Kidd, I'm surprised Donnie Nelson didn't get Kahn status. The only reason why that team is afloat is because Cuban can spend millions over the cap to make up for stupid moves like signing Haywood or Dampier to huge contracts.

N.J. should be doing deals with Dallas all the time. They got Devin Harris in the Kidd trade and were able to turn him into Deron Williams, one of the two best point guards in the league.

[SenorSpur]

While it makes few doubts that there are privilege connections between some franchise, I question how Cuban value his own players. He overrated players like Beaubois or Kidd. At the end, maybe Cuban thought his trade package was better while, in reality, it wasn't.

And Cuban would have better connections with other teams if he stopped to bitch about everything.

Cubes definitely had it on good terms with the NJ Nets, when he allowed former Nets GM, Rod Thorn to "take him to the cleaners" in that epic Jason Kidd/Devin Harris trade. He really got stiffed by Thorn's insistence that he fork over 2 1st round draft picks, as part of that deal.

Cuban and the Mavs are typically one of the most active and agressive clubs in the NBA. They're mentioned in practically every trade scenario. In his chase for a title, he's changed the team practically every year. While there may be some truth in waht he claims, it doesn't seem as though it's hindering his ability to make deals.

If the Nets had a "Spurs pedigree" 3 years ago, it may been saved him from himself.

[cd98]

What teams are run by former Spurs? Thunder and Hornets are all I can think of. Blazers and Cavs once upon a time.

[MannyIsGod]

Since you posted pretty much exactly what I said, perhaps I was agreeing with you. The second part wasn't worthy of a response, which is why I didn't respond to it. You need to work on your reading comprehension or maybe just stop clicking on threads with a chip on your shoulder.

PS: Phillip is butt hurt. I guess you misinterpreted the :cry :cry :cry posts when someone dared to disagree with him about how Mark Cuban and Dallas sports radio have never been anything but respectful and complimentary of the Spurs and San Antonio in general. :lol

The 2nd part wasn't worth of a response but you pretty much posted exactly what I said in it? :lol !!!!

I've got the chip on my shoulder? You're the one that raged out, bud. BTW, where's my cookie?

IDK if Phillip is butt hurt, but I'm pretty sure when someone responds the way you did they usually are. Hence the irony.

[MannyIsGod]

Part of it's exactly what I said earlier, but yes I read it. So fucking what? It wasn't all that insightful or original, and as a result wasn't really worthy of a response. You want a cookie?


Since you posted pretty much exactly what I said, perhaps I was agreeing with you. The second part wasn't worthy of a response, which is why I didn't respond to it. You need to work on your reading comprehension or maybe just stop clicking on threads with a chip on your shoulder.


Literally made me LOL in a library. I got weird looks.

[SenorSpur]

I live in DFW too, and there isnt nearly as much hot air as you suggest.

I disagree completely.

Cuban, much like Jerry Jones, is all about promotion his team - and mainly self-promotion. They say anything and do anything that keeps them in the public eye and in front of the cameras and the microphone.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with it, but when you puff out your chest and beat your own drum, and tell the world how great you are, you'd better have some success to show for it. Otherwise, you'll look pretty foolish.

[PublicOption]

All these "all-stars" are congregating to every team but the Spurs and this ass talks about us like we are some evil empire "new york yankee" types. STFU Cuban.

[MannyIsGod]

I disagree completely.

Cuban, much like Jerry Jones, is all about promotion his team - and mainly self-promotion. They say anything and do anything that keeps them in the public eye and in front of the cameras and the microphone.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with it, but when you puff out your chest and beat your own drum, and tell the world how great you are, you'd better have some success to show for it. Otherwise, you'll look pretty foolish.

Cuban is worse than Jerry Jones, IMO. Maybe Jerry was once like Cuban but Cuban just whines and whines and whines about everything. Jerry is all about hype, but doesn't really whine that much.

I think promotion is fine but after awhile people just tune you out when you whine as much as Cuban does.

[SenorSpur]

There's a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread. Cuban wasn't blaming the Spurs at all.

That being said, Bruno hit th ball out of the park with his post. Cuban overvalues his assets all the damn time and it would not surprise me that most people in the league hate him because he's a neverending windbag. Dude just needs to learn to STFU for awhile.

That's all there is to it.

He reminds me of the precocious kid on the block, who had marbles, but got jealous when someone else had marbles that he thought we prettier than his.

Dude is just a spoiled brat and an over-talkative, know-it-all.

[Blackjack]

I however, would like a cookie. Oatmeal raisin please!

+1

That's one helluva selection. Love me some oatmeal raisin. :tu

[SenorSpur]

Cuban is worse than Jerry Jones, IMO. Maybe Jerry was once like Cuban but Cuban just whines and whines and whines about everything. Jerry is all about hype, but doesn't really whine that much.

I think promotion is fine but after awhile people just tune you out when you whine as much as Cuban does.

The bad thing is that Cuban cries wolf and bitches so much that when he does have a legitimate point to make, like his recent complaints about the NBA allowing the Hornets to do trades that add salary, it gets lost in transition. Nobody cares because "oh, it's just Cuban again."

[jjktkk]

And where did I disagree that Cuban or Dallas sports radio has NEVER been anything but respectful and complimentary of the Spurs and San Antonio in general?

where did Dallas sports radio come into the discussion?

lastly who gives a shit about the city of San Antonio? how is that remotely relevant to this?

A better question is why a butthurt Mavs fan is trying to justify a whiny bitch like Cuban on a San Antonio Spurs website, unless that Mav fan is in serious butthurt mode?

[Obstructed_View]

The 2nd part wasn't worth of a response but you pretty much posted exactly what I said in it? :lol !!!!
Let's go real slow so you can follow: You commended someone else for something they said, and then said something similar to what I said earlier. Since there was no original thoughts from you, I didn't see the need to quote it. Had I realized you were going to get all bent out of shape about it, I certainly would have.


I've got the chip on my shoulder? You're the one that raged out, bud.
Not sure where you see any raging out. Was it the use of the F word? Sorry for hurting your feelings. I didn't see why it was so important to you to even whine about it. Still don't, actually.

Here's a tip: Just because someone quotes something you wrote doesn't mean they're starting a fight. Sometimes they're just using your post as a springboard into something else. See your shoulder for more information.

[Blackjack]

While it makes few doubts that there are privilege connections between some franchise, I question how Cuban value his own players. He overrated players like Beaubois or Kidd. At the end, maybe Cuban thought his trade package was better while, in reality, it wasn't.

And Cuban would have better connections with other teams if he stopped to bitch about everything.

I pretty much concur. Though, Marquis Daniels is looking closer and closer to being Tracy McGrady these days . . .

[MannyIsGod]

Let's go real slow so you can follow: You commended someone else for something they said, and then said something similar to what I said earlier. Since there was no original thoughts from you, I didn't see the need to quote it. Had I realized you were going to get all bent out of shape about it, I certainly would have.


Not sure where you see any raging out. Was it the use of the F word? Sorry for hurting your feelings. I didn't see why it was so important to you to even whine about it. Still don't, actually.

Here's a tip: Just because someone quotes something you wrote doesn't mean they're starting a fight. Sometimes they're just using your post as a springboard into something else. See your shoulder for more information.

Is the cookie on my shoulder because I'm still waiting? For someone who's not butthurt you are doing a whole lot of explaining. Just saying.

[Obstructed_View]

Is the cookie on my shoulder because I'm still waiting? For someone who's not butthurt you are doing a whole lot of explaining. Just saying.

For someone who doesn't have a chip on his shoulder you sure seem to be more interested in being confrontational than reading. Just saying. :lol

[sefant77]

I'm a 20-year die-hard SPURSfan, live in D/FW, listen to The Ticket, and heard Norm's interview with Cuban this morning. Phillip is right. It wasn't sour grapes or anything. He even refused to comment on labor/CBA issues for either the NBA or the NFL because he would get fined for it. If he refused to talk about the "controversial" issues, he certainly didn't view his statements on trades as controversial -- just the facts.

Fact: Spurs & Mavs are rivals, why would they trade with each other?
Fact: Certain teams/coaches have a pedigree (Cuban mentioned the coaching trees of Nellie and Pop), and those respective lineages would rather deal with each other first than other teams.

It's just a matter of relationship building -- that's what business is all about. Cuban said nothing very controversial, but it was pretty open and informative.

Cuban acts like a spoiled brat behind the bench, but when it comes to the business side of sports, technology trends, or entrepreneurship, I shut my mouth, listen, and try not to view it through my fiesta-colored glasses.

Wow, just one guy finally git it, amazing. The rest is the typical pathetic "Cuban said something...doesnt matter what, i wont try to understand it...WHINER WHINER WHINER" :sleep

Cuban talks often about the "daily work" of a FO and all the little things that are influecing trades, trade talkes etc. Like rivalries, background of FO personal etc.

AS EXAMPLE he mentioned Mavs/Spurs related stuff. Could be also Mavs/Rockets, Lakers/Boston, Knicks/Heat etc. He doesnt whine about anyhting, he explained typical business in the league with a Mavs/Spurs example.

[SourCandy]

Don't read.

If that's true and it's not against any NBA rule then it's pretty smart. Imagine you are the owner of a team who has had their shit pushed in by another organization. Owner of said organization says "hey..can I have your center and i'll give you my back up center and a point guard...what do you say?" Owner of said organization is not gonna jump for joy to make the other guys team better. Or even vice versa if butthurt owner called the rapist team owner and said "hey give me your point guard and i'll give you my 2 guards." Rapist team owner would say "hey I like raping your team..no deal" and calls the owner of another team and says "hey dont trade your point guard to butthurt team I like raping them" Other owner says "what's in it for me" rapist owner says "i'll ow you one" other owner says ....um ok.

lol horrible I know

[Phillip]

A better question is why a butthurt Mavs fan is trying to justify a whiny bitch like Cuban on a San Antonio Spurs website, unless that Mav fan is in serious butthurt mode?

The best question is does your family have mental retardation in its lineage?

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of. I don't think I have seen you provide one post with any shred of intelligence since you have been here. Pretty much just crybaby bullshit, or jumping on the backs of fellow spurs fans, talking shit, then when someone calls you out for the faggot you are, you resort to "you are a (insert team here) fan on a spurs website, so your ass is hurt :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:"



Even when I have disagreements with other posters here like OV, at least they can sometimes provide some backing to their statements, and hold a conversation that requires some sort of intelligence. But you on the other hand, you have no statements. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Seriously, you would be better off trying to buttfuck a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of.

Seriously, you would be better off trying to buttfuck a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.

I will never ever want to have dinner at your house.

[ManuBalboa]

Spurs front office is so gangsta they intimidate Cubes.

[jjktkk]

The best question is does your family have mental retardation in its lineage?

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of. I don't think I have seen you provide one post with any shred of intelligence since you have been here. Pretty much just crybaby bullshit, or jumping on the backs of fellow spurs fans, talking shit, then when someone calls you out for the faggot you are, you resort to "you are a (insert team here) fan on a spurs website, so your ass is hurt :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:"



Even when I have disagreements with other posters here like OV, at least they can sometimes provide some backing to their statements, and hold a conversation that requires some sort of intelligence. But you on the other hand, you have no statements. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Seriously, you would be better off trying to buttfuck a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.

Lol, you saying you like intelligent conversation, but when your butthurt, you want me to fuck a burrito. Thats just brilliant Phillip. Here, maybe this can help and send a couple to Cuban.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8425/kleenex.jpg

[Phillip]

Lol, you saying you like intelligent conversation, but when your butthurt, you want me to fuck a burrito. Thats just brilliant Phillip. Here, maybe this can help and send a couple to Cuban.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8425/kleenex.jpg

cool story bro :tu

[temujin]

It's not what he was saying at all. I was listening to it. He was just pointing out how relationships affect the trade market.

really?

How surprising.

Welcome to the real world, Mr cuban.

[EVAY]

Didn't someone say once that Cuban's nom de plume was Phillip?

[ohmwrecker]

What part of my posts have indicated I didn't read the OP?


There's a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread. Cuban wasn't blaming the Spurs at all.


Cuban claims trade bias on the part of some teams: The surprising piece of commentary were his allegations about biases in trade talk among some NBA teams. He claimed that across the NBA, there are known cliques, whereas some teams are more willing to deal with certain teams, moreso than others. He laid out claims specific to teams that have a "Spurs pedigree" (meaning former Spurs personnel in front office positions). Team that have, on occasion, been unwilling to deal directly with the Mavs. He cited one particular situation where he offered up a trade package to a specific team, a team with a Spurs pedigree, for a specific player - only to have his trade proposal denied. He went on to claim that later, that same team settled for, what he considered to be, an inferior package from another team.

Cuban also claimed that "we're always willing to deal with most any team." However, "there is such a competitive rivalry between "us and the Spurs" that would probably "preclude us from doing any deals with them." when he went back and asked said team, why they rejected their proposal, the answer he got was "we looked up and down your roster and didn't see anything we wanted."

It's subtle, but he basically implying that the reason that the trading team in question with "Spurs pedigree" denied to trade with the Mavs was solely based on some perceived loyalty to the Spurs, and not for the much more plausible reason that they are conference/division rivals. He tries to reinforce this ridiculous hypothesis by saying that the team accepted an "inferior package" from another team (because there is know way they could have actually liked the other deal better, right?)

So, in review: Cuban expects us to believe that a team's front office is going to purposefully turn down a better offer from the Mavs to accept an inferior offer from another team because the Spurs don't like the Mavs and they like the Spurs better?!

It's preposterous . . . is what it is.

[jsandiego]

The best question is does your family have mental retardation in its lineage?

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of. I don't think I have seen you provide one post with any shred of intelligence since you have been here. Pretty much just crybaby bullshit, or jumping on the backs of fellow spurs fans, talking shit, then when someone calls you out for the faggot you are, you resort to "you are a (insert team here) fan on a spurs website, so your ass is hurt :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:"



Even when I have disagreements with other posters here like OV, at least they can sometimes provide some backing to their statements, and hold a conversation that requires some sort of intelligence. But you on the other hand, you have no statements. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Seriously, you would be better off trying to buttfuck a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.What kinda burrito?:p:

[wildbill2u]

Didn't the so-called Spurs pedigree work against us in a couple of cases?

Wasn't Kevin Pritchard, a former protege of Pop and Spurs FO guy, the guy who screwed us royally out of Batum in a slick deal just before we were going to draft him.

Most of these guys who leave the Spurs know Pop and his opinion of players and draftees and do their best to beat us at our own game--finding talent to fit our system where most people don't go or know.

[temujin]

Spurs fans should all thank Mr Cuban to let everybody know how pathetically powerless he is in the NBA.

Yes, he is right, there are a lot of ex Spurs in NBA teams.
Why? because the best organization in basketball is a good SCHOOL.


yes, they hold relevant positions.
Why? because they are GOOD.

yes, most have a good relationship with Popovich.
Why? They learnt from him and are trying to reproduce a WORKING system.

Yes, there is a mob of ex Spurs around.
No, there is no mob of ex Mavs around.

Why?
Becuase you know nothing about the business of running a basketball team, Mr Cuban.

[Phillip]

really?

How surprising.

Welcome to the real world, Mr cuban.

it was a question he was answering, dumbass

[jsandiego]

It's subtle, but he basically implying that the reason that the trading team in question with "Spurs pedigree" denied to trade with the Mavs was solely based on some perceived loyalty to the Spurs, and not for the much more plausible reason that they are conference/division rivals. He tries to reinforce this ridiculous hypothesis by saying that the team accepted an "inferior package" from another team (because there is know way they could have actually liked the other deal better, right?)

So, in review: Cuban expects us to believe that a team's front office is going to purposefully turn down a better offer from the Mavs to accept an inferior offer from another team because the Spurs don't like the Mavs and they like the Spurs better?!

It's preposterous . . . is what it is.Cuban actually cited the Pau Gasol deal as an example. If the Spurs or Mavs knew of the deal beforehand, they would've offered more than the lakers did. But it probably had to do with the Jerry West laker/grizz connection that they were the first team the Logo would deal with.

Again, it's business relationships. If you were a businessman wanting to make a deal, wouldn't you go to your buddies first to try for a win-win before calling up others to see if you can get a steal? It's basic Behavioral Economics.

Now please quit making me defend Mark Cuban. I'm getting sick to my stomach. :dizzy

[temujin]

Oh, and lesson Nr1 for running a basketball team -any business, in fact- is NEVER come out with pathetic complainings.
Dont' talk, act.

If you can.

[temujin]

it was a question he was answering, dumbass

really?

welcome a real forum, idiot.

[ohmwrecker]

Again, it's business relationships. If you were a businessman wanting to make a deal, wouldn't you go to your buddies first to try for a win-win before calling up others to see if you can get a steal? It's basic Behavioral Economics.

Not if my buddies wanted me to make an inferior deal with a neutral company because they had a rivalry with a company offering a better deal.

lol economics lecture

[dbestpro]

Cuban over values his players. They might be decent when they go to Dallas, but they get ruined and become whiners as Cuban enables them to always blame someone else for their game and never take responsibility for their play. Except for Finley and Nash very few ex Mav players ever amount to anything and most GMs are fully aware of this.

[temujin]

Cuban over values his players. They might be decent when they go to Dallas, but they get ruined and become whiners as Cuban enables them to always blame someone else for their game and never take responsibility for their play. Except for Finley and Nash very few ex Mav players ever amount to anything and most GMs are fully aware of this.

This.

Cuban paying Finley to win a championship with the Spurs is beyond basketball, it's in the world sports book of legends.

[Cane]

The "Spurs bias" got us Richard Jefferson. Lakers bias got them Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown. Cuban is butthurt about the wrong team....but then again there's the history: "lol 7th seed >2nd seed including a game where the Spurs couldn't make a single 3, etc etc"

But tbh Cubes...if you're going to hire and then fire a former Spur as your headcoach..expect to pay the consequences in a league filled with Spurs connections. Also, don't publicly side with Tim Donaghy even if it does make your 2006 feel a little better.

[MannyIsGod]

It's subtle, but he basically implying that the reason that the trading team in question with "Spurs pedigree" denied to trade with the Mavs was solely based on some perceived loyalty to the Spurs, and not for the much more plausible reason that they are conference/division rivals. He tries to reinforce this ridiculous hypothesis by saying that the team accepted an "inferior package" from another team (because there is know way they could have actually liked the other deal better, right?)

So, in review: Cuban expects us to believe that a team's front office is going to purposefully turn down a better offer from the Mavs to accept an inferior offer from another team because the Spurs don't like the Mavs and they like the Spurs better?!

It's preposterous . . . is what it is.

:lol

He doesn't say anything about the Spurs being involved. He's talking about former Spurs front officer personnel. When Danny Ferry worked for the Cavs, he worked for the Cavs, not the Spurs.

The decisions others make are not decisions by the Spurs. I thought that would have been obvious.

Just in case its not clear enough, even if others were making decisions based out of loyalty to the Spurs that isn't the Spurs fault but the fault of the other GMs. He's blaming THEM, not the Spurs.

[ohmwrecker]

:lol

He doesn't say anything about the Spurs being involved. He's talking about former Spurs front officer personnel. When Danny Ferry worked for the Cavs, he worked for the Cavs, not the Spurs.

The decisions others make are not decisions by the Spurs. I thought that would have been obvious.

Just in case its not clear enough, even if others were making decisions based out of loyalty to the Spurs that isn't the Spurs fault but the fault of the other GMs. He's blaming THEM, not the Spurs.

You're a funny guy, Manny.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm also handsome. Killer combo, TBH.

[ohmwrecker]

Just so we're clear . . . nobody is making decisions based on loyalty to the Spurs. I think we can all agree that notion is absurd, not to mention, a really stupid way to operate a business.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I agree with that of course.

[ChuckD]

My guess is that Pubes was bitching about former Portland GM Pritchard. Welcome to the club. He didn't exactly help us out either, in fact, screwed us at least once in the draft by grabbing Batum. He also held a premium on his talent until it cam time to dump it for pennies, for example, Outlaw and Webster. I think at one point, their price was pretty high, but as it got closer to time to pay them or lose them, I'm sure it dropped. A first year GM would probably understand that concept. You call them back and make another offer.

I wonder if it ever occurred to Cuban that it isn't a Spurs afilliation thing but that maybe there are a large portion of teams that just don't like his loudmouth arrogant ass?

[SenorSpur]

Just so we're clear . . . nobody is making decisions based on loyalty to the Spurs. I think we can all agree that notion is absurd, not to mention, a really stupid way to operate a business.

That's the whole point.

According to Cubes, the system is "always" stacked against him. It's either the officials, or the commish and now it's a Spurs bias. The mere fact that he decided to air this perception, whether he believes it or not, only further cements his reputation as a rich, whiny, excuse-maker. Let him tell it, the failings of his team are always someone elses' fault.

I give the guy credit for being a risk-taker, but he's certainly made his share of awful personnel mistakes. He's made trade after trade, year after year. Some good and some bad. As I said earlier, he allowed the Nets to take full advantage of him, because he was convinced he had to re-acquire J-Kidd. How'd that turn out? He's reacquired certain players after trading them away. How'd that work out? He re-upped Shawn Bradley (twice) when everyone in the NBA knew the guy was a stiff. How'd that work?

He figures if he hoardes the most talent and annually exceeds the luxury tax, that he can "buy" his way to a title. Thus far, it's not worked. Is that because of Spurs bias among GMs that refuse to do business with him? It's always easier and convenient to blame someone else rather than to take responsibility for one's mistakes. When Dirk's run is over and the Mavs are left title-less, I wonder what new excuse he'll drum up then?

It's funny that one time his team even made it to the big stage, they choked away a 2-0 series lead. The next season, while compiling the league's best record, they choked again by losing to an 8th seeded team in the first round. Yet, he never acknowledges that. In fact, he acts as though it never happened.

Mentally tough coaches, players and people don't bitch about their circumstances, they work hard to overcome them. No one ever claimed that guy isn't smart. You can't become a self-made billionaire without having some intellect. That doesn't mean that his perpetual claims always have merit. Even if Cuban wasn't complaining, and I don't believe he was in the interview, it still comes across as more sour grapes - simply because of his whiny-man reputation. He's always been a drama-queen and this is nothing more than his self-promotional, spin-doctoring. His act is tiresome and he should just STFU.

[Indazone]

So what?

Rivals rarely trade to each other

Nope they don't. Thank you for Scola by the way ;)

[Russ]

Nope they don't. Thank you for Scola by the way ;)

Saw Scola last night when the Clippers played the Rockets.

You're very welcome. :)

[Creation88]

mental midget

[ALVAREZ6]

lol cuban


no one wants to do business with you because you're a faggot. why would an ex-Spur want to help Cuban out...nothing about that dude should command respect, and this is exactly what we're seeing. end of the day, it's a rivalry, and a very heated one. is there any surprise, faggot?


why do you think the Mcnabb trade that sent him from Philly to DC was such a big deal for many Philly fans? ---Cus they sent him to a divisional rival.


Cuban being a moron, what else is new?

[ChuckD]

Nope they don't. Thank you for Scola by the way ;)

You haven't been our rivals in a decade.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

F' Cuban and that whole organization. I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.

[alamo50]

"there is such a competitive rivalry between "us and the Spurs"


:loser

:lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt:

[Phillip]

Cuban over values his players. They might be decent when they go to Dallas, but they get ruined and become whiners as Cuban enables them to always blame someone else for their game and never take responsibility for their play. Except for Finley and Nash very few ex Mav players ever amount to anything and most GMs are fully aware of this.

When the fuck has this ever happened? Now you're just making stupid shit up.

[greyforest]

Just so we're clear . . . nobody is making decisions based on loyalty to the Spurs. I think we can all agree that notion is absurd, not to mention, a really stupid way to operate a business.

You'd be surprised about how business really operates.

[jsandiego]

Not if my buddies wanted me to make an inferior deal with a neutral company because they had a rivalry with a company offering a better deal.

lol economics lectureNo, it means you deal with your buddies first because you are familiar with them. Not a lecture, just an observation. People don't always do deals based on immediate economic outcomes.

[ohmwrecker]

You'd be surprised about how business really operates.


No, it means you deal with your buddies first because you are familiar with them. Not a lecture, just an observation. People don't always do deals based on immediate economic outcomes.

When you guys have owned, operated and sold two successful businesses at a profit, then you can feel free to be condescending jackasses. Until then, stfu, k?

[MannyIsGod]

Nope they don't. Thank you for Scola by the way ;)

Rivals usually involve both teams being good, tbh. Trading to the rockets was OK since you always suck.

[Harry Callahan]

The only time other teams like Cubes/Pubes is when they extort the ususal $3MM in cash to complete a transaction.

If you ask for it and he's willing to do it, why not?

I think the last time the Spurs made a trade with dallas was the Leon Smith (remember him? HA!HA!) draft day deal in 1999. SA drafted that guy and sent him to dallas and Smith proceeded to go crazy - out of the league in a year or so. I think the guy was bi-polar or had fetal alcohol syndrome.

[DMX7]

Hey Marky, stop crying. Your brain can't process our awesomeness - stop trying. Just sit bak and enjoy the show! WINNING!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The premise that a team would somehow turn down the opportunity to make their team better just to spite Puban is hilarious. We're not the Lakers, Mark.

Anyway, the one thing he does better than run his mouth is play the victim card. It's the mentality of a loser owner with a loser team.

Choke in the Finals? Blame the refs.

Choke at the trade deadline? Blame the Spurs.

The rumors here in Dallas are that Jeff Green is the player in question.

He was probably offering up Dominique Jones and Brian Cardinal or some garbage like that for him :rolleyes

[Danny.Zhu]

Rockets also has Spurs bias in trade talks so they are more willing to trade Spanoulis to Spurs rather than Mavs.

[nevitt_&_smrek]

In before "whining".

But again, of course he has a point. Why you think the Grizzlies did the Gasol trade over night without even consulting offers over several days.

Gasol was on the trading block for quite a while, but nobody wanted him. Apparently he wasn't even worth Deng, Gordon, and PJ Brown. After a year of no-takers, Grizz owner became desperate, wanted to maximize $saving$, and the Lakers happened to have the largest expiring contract in Jan 2008.

http://www.basketballforum.com/chicago-bulls/334355-jerry-west-wants-deng-gordon-gasol-paxson-declines.html

[LkrFan]

because in this case, its about the Spurs/Mavs rivalry. like I just posted, i strongly doubt that people who were heavily involved in the Lakers/Celtics rivalry would want to have dealings with those teams.

in that case, Jerry West giftwrapped Gasol to LA, because he is still a Laker at heart.

The bolded is probably the dumbest thing I ever saw posted on SpursTalk. I was lurking this thread until I saw this bullshit. Here is a timeline for ya ass:

2007 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2840564) - Jerry West left the Grizzlies July 1st


He said Tuesday he will leave as the Grizzlies' director of basketball operations July 1 at the end of his contract. Injuries, losses, weariness and uncertainty became too much.

2008 (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/transactions/_/name/lal/year/2008/los-angeles-lakers) - Lakers acquire Pau Gasol February 1st


Acquired forward-center Pau Gasol and a 2010 second-round pick from the Memphis Grizzlies for center Kwame Brown, guards Aaron McKie and Javaris Crittenton, the draft rights to Marc Gasol and first-round picks in 2008 and 2010; signed C D.J. Mbenga to second 10-day contract.

Logo had NO part in the Gasol trade. NONE. Now quit posting this bullshit. It makes you seem dumb and butthurt.

As for Cuban, fuck him. Christian Laettner was this close to being a Laker until they stepped in and fucked it up. Shaq, Kobe, Laettner would have been nice and would have extended the Lakers' championship window. So if the Spurs' pedigree kept that bastard from improving his team, I raise a glass to that franchise: :toast

[DrSteffo]

Gasol was on the trading block for quite a while, but nobody wanted him.

LOL Faker fans trying to get away with one of the most unbalanced trade ever :lol