Kid Rock’s use of Confederate flag sparks NAACP boycott

[jack sommerset]

Boycotts everywhere for anything. Lame

Some NAACP supporters plan to boycott the Detroit arm's annual fundraiser over an honor for Kid Rock they say doesn't mesh with the civil rights group's goals.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdtw/20110304/ts_yblog_localdtw/kid-rocks-use-of-confederate-flag-sparks-naacp-boycott

[4>0rings]

Isn't this faggot from Detroit? What's he doing reppin' the stars and bars.

[jack sommerset]

They should ask that.

[Blake]

why is the NCAAP honoring him? It didnt say.

[Drachen]

Are any of the nouns in this article even relevant?

[Stringer_Bell]

Kid Rock has a Black drummer. He's made music with Black People. He's from Detroit and helps inner city youth. Racist? No. Oreo that embraces the Confederate flag even though he was raised in the Union? Hell yes.

[DMX7]

Some NAACP supporters plan to boycott the Detroit arm's annual fundraiser over an honor for Kid Rock they say doesn't mesh with the civil rights group's goals.


Which goal? You mean their goal of not embracing slavery...

[DJ Mbenga]

http://www.amazon.com/Confederates-Attic-Dispatches-Unfinished-Civil/dp/067975833X

[4>0rings]

Kid Rock has a Black drummer. He's made music with Black People. He's from Detroit and helps inner city youth. Racist? No. Oreo that embraces the Confederate flag even though he was raised in the Union? Hell yes.
His bitch ass needs to pick a side and stick with it.

[Wild Cobra]

I never understood the mentality of those who hate a symbol that stands for other things as well. I'm sorry, but just because the confederate states were slave states, doesn't mean all it's symbols should be held in contempt. That flag did not stand for slavery.

[ChumpDumper]

That flag did not stand for slavery.:lmao

[DJ Mbenga]

I never understood the mentality of those who hate a symbol that stands for other things as well. I'm sorry, but just because the confederate states were slave states, doesn't mean all it's symbols should be held in contempt. That flag did not stand for slavery.

you probably meant to say they arent celebrating slavery when they hold up the flag, just this attitude that says they can fight back against a govt they felt was doing them wrong, but unfortunately slavery cannot be separated from the issue because what was it the south was mad enough about to want to secede? slavery. the flag and slavery are tied together no matter how many try to dance around the issue

[Stringer_Bell]

Now now, WC has a right to agree with what the Confederate REALLY stands for - the right to refuse the government's position when you believe it is wrong (i.e. when it intrudes upon your ability to make a living or personal freedom, i.e. when the suits shut down your entrepreneurial aspirations because IN THEIR HUMBLE FUCKIN OPINION you shouldn't have negros working your cotton fields). in fact, we could use some of that same spirit, that's why a lot of us appreciate the Tea Party.

Ya'll could learn from me and WC. *wink*

[The Reckoning]

he should be boycotted for being a poser detroit cowboy wannabe who totally ruined "sweet home alabama" and "werewolves of london" for me.

that said...he has just as much of a right to fly that dumb flag as the NAACP has to boycott him.

[hater]

Kid rock sucks ass

[coyotes_geek]

he should be boycotted for being a poser detroit cowboy wannabe who totally ruined "sweet home alabama" and "werewolves of london" for me.

That said...he has just as much of a right to fly that dumb flag as the naacp has to boycott him.

+1

[greyforest]

I never understood the mentality of those who hate a symbol that stands for other things as well.

Ok, I'm with ya



That flag did not stand for slavery.

Wait, what?

[ManuBalboa]

http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/062009/kidrock.jpg

High Toppin' it baby!

[jack sommerset]

Which goal? You mean their goal of not embracing slavery...

Um no, flame thrower. I'm going out on a limb here and say Kid Rock is not a racist. The flags means to him and many, many others, states rights, rebellion against the government and individualism. Means the right to live the way you want to live it and slavery has nothing to do with it. I do not think slavery/kkk/rednecks/racist when I see the confederate flag no matter how hard people like you try to make me.

[Wild Cobra]

you probably meant to say they arent celebrating slavery when they hold up the flag, just this attitude that says they can fight back against a govt they felt was doing them wrong, but unfortunately slavery cannot be separated from the issue because what was it the south was mad enough about to want to secede? slavery. the flag and slavery are tied together no matter how many try to dance around the issue
Not my fault that some people are too stupid to separate facts. Slavery was not the only issue. There were other reasons for secession. Southern people were proud, with or without slavery, and believed strongly in the 10th amendment. The constitution was seriously harmed when the north won.

Consider the probability that is slavery didn't exist, that the north still wanted to treat the southern states poorly. What if we would have had secession and a civil war with no slavery? Do you really think it was only because of slavery?

[Wild Cobra]

Ok, I'm with ya




Wait, what?
Need me to repeat that?

The confederate flag did not stand for slavery.

The confederate flag was created as the new national flag for the southern stated. Nothing more. The battle flag, same thing. Their flag for war.

Are you from Texas like most here? Did you know Texas flew six different national flags over it's history? Should we shun the other five because they are not our national flag?

Not everything of the confederate states was bad. Some people still hold pride today, of the south's struggle for independence. I think most today would say that pride has nothing to do with slavery.

Isn't freedom from oppression a noble goal?

[Wild Cobra]

I'm going out on a limb here and say Kid Rock is not a racist. The flags means to him and many, many others, states rights, rebellion against the government and individualism. Means the right to live the way you want to live it and slavery has nothing to do with it. I do not think slavery/kkk/rednecks/racist when I see the confederate flag no matter how hard people like you try to make me.
I'm appalled at how many people are so prejudiced against that flag. A flag of freedom. Blacks and whites alike should be celebrating what it stands for. Slavery was already oppressive. The confederate flag did not create slavery. Though it did not include the slaves for it's intent of freedom, that's exactly what it is. A symbol of freedom.

People... Please remember, some whites were slaves too!

[Blake]

People... Please remember, some whites were slaves too!

oh, well in that case...

[LnGrrrR]

I never understood the mentality of those who hate a symbol that stands for other things as well. I'm sorry, but just because the confederate states were slave states, doesn't mean all it's symbols should be held in contempt. That flag did not stand for slavery.

Whatever it once stood for is immaterial now. The swastika used to be a good luck symbol, but I don't think you could get away with wearing one in public claiming that.

[Wild Cobra]

Whatever it once stood for is immaterial now. The swastika used to be a good luck symbol, but I don't think you could get away with wearing one in public claiming that.
That would depend on what the surrounding circumstances were, wouldn't it. Besides, the swastika is a mirror image of it. It's turning the opposite way, so you are wrong. They are not the same.

[ChumpDumper]

It's a symbol of the freedom to own slaves!

[LnGrrrR]

That would depend on what the surrounding circumstances were, wouldn't it. Besides, the swastika is a mirror image of it. It's turning the opposite way, so you are wrong. They are not the same.

Do you think the general public would care that it was a mirror image? People who choose to wear/display the Confederate flag are free to do so, but with the realization that a good amount of people are free to think of them as racist.

Do I think Kid Rock is racist? No. But because he uses a Confederate flag, some people are bound to.

Of course, Kid Rock, yourself and others can try to change that view of the flag. I just doubt it will be too successful.

[Wild Cobra]

Confederate Flag Facts (http://www.hpa.org/edu/csaflags.htm)

[Wild Cobra]

Of course, Kid Rock, yourself and others can try to change that view of the flag. I just doubt it will be too successful.
Ignorance is one of the most difficult things to combat, especially when the black community like to use it as a racial wedge.

[ChumpDumper]

Confederate Flag Facts (http://www.hpa.org/edu/csaflags.htm)So basically the confederates were a bunch of retarded slave owners who couldn't make a proper flag.

[cheguevara]

the redneck raised a redneck flag. Wow. shocking

[LnGrrrR]

Ignorance is one of the most difficult things to combat, especially when the black community like to use it as a racial wedge.

If you were related historically to people who were oppressed by those flying that flag, you might think otherwise.

Tell me, when people wave the Mexican flag at rallies, are you offended by it?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Seriously WC, are you EVER on the sensible side of an issue?? EVER??

[Blake]

It's a symbol of the freedom to own slaves!

whottt used to argue how a black man once owned a white slave.

Threads like these make me miss whottt.

[jack sommerset]

I'm surprise more people don't find old red, white and blue racist. It's was flying over this country before, durning and after the slave era.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ignorance is one of the most difficult things to combat, especially when the black community like to use it as a racial wedge.

Ignorance is especially bad when someone continually paints an entire race with a broad brush

[Wild Cobra]

If you were related historically to people who were oppressed by those flying that flag, you might think otherwise.
Not with my level of historical understanding. It is clear to me that to disparage someone for a symbol they hold dear, is prejudiced. Aren't we trying to fight prejudice? Now why do the same people who call for stopping prejudice, raise it every chance they get? I'm sorry, I hate hypocrisy.

Tell me, when people wave the Mexican flag at rallies, are you offended by it?
It depends on what the rally is about. I have no problem with national pride, why, do you? Are you speaking of a party on Cinco de Mayo, or a gathering of people from MS-13? The reason is what matters, not the symbol.

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously WC, are you EVER on the sensible side of an issue?? EVER??
More so than you.

Why is it not sensible to hate hypocrisy and disagree with political correctness? Why are you beholden to the authoritarian control nature of what PC requires? Why don't you believe in the freedoms of this nation?

[Wild Cobra]

Ignorance is especially bad when someone continually paints an entire race with a broad brush
Have you ever seen a black community, as a whole, that doesn't have a racial mindset blaming whites? I specified community. That does not mean all individuals. I don't consider my words "using a broad brush," like assuming the rebel or confederate flag stands for oppression of slaves. That's a broad brush.

Tell me. What are black community leaders always saying, should I say painting of white people?

[Blake]

I'm surprise more people don't find old red, white and blue racist. It's was flying over this country before, durning and after the slave era.

Probably because the union behind lincoln got it right. The confederacy was forced to get it right.

[jack sommerset]

The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery.

[LnGrrrR]

Not with my level of historical understanding. It is clear to me that to disparage someone for a symbol they hold dear, is prejudiced. Aren't we trying to fight prejudice? Now why do the same people who call for stopping prejudice, raise it every chance they get? I'm sorry, I hate hypocrisy.

Really? :lol So if I disparage the Nazi swastika, I'm prejudiced? :lol

You seriously have a warped view of things sometimes.

Do you think that EVERY person who flies the confederate flag does so only because they support state's rights?

Tell me, do you even know why Kid Rock uses the Confederate flag? Or are you just guessing what he's thinking? Why not use that critical skepticism you love?


It depends on what the rally is about. I have no problem with national pride, why, do you? Are you speaking of a party on Cinco de Mayo, or a gathering of people from MS-13? The reason is what matters, not the symbol.

I love the two extremes you present. Really speaks to your worldview.

Tell me, if a group of immigrants were to get together for a rally supporting amnesty, waving the Mexican flag, what would you think of them?

[LnGrrrR]

The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery.

And one reason they wanted secession was due to slavery.

That's like saying, "The policeman shot the man because he pulled the trigger." While factually true, it doesn't really explain anything.

[LnGrrrR]

Have you ever seen a black community, as a whole, that doesn't have a racial mindset blaming whites? I specified community. That does not mean all individuals. I don't consider my words "using a broad brush," like assuming the rebel or confederate flag stands for oppression of slaves. That's a broad brush.

Tell me. What are black community leaders always saying, should I say painting of white people?

:lol WC. You're telling me you can't find black community leaders who aren't out to get the white man? :lmao

Then you try to say you're not using a "broad brush" when you imply that no black community doesn't have a racial mindset against whites. :lmao :lmao :lmao

[LnGrrrR]

More so than you.

Why is it not sensible to hate hypocrisy and disagree with political correctness? Why are you beholden to the authoritarian control nature of what PC requires? Why don't you believe in the freedoms of this nation?

:lmao What freedoms are being offended here?

[ChumpDumper]

The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery.The south seceded because of slavery.

[Wild Cobra]

Really? :lol So if I disparage the Nazi swastika, I'm prejudiced? :lol

Actually, yes. If you mean any swastika. Now if you mean specifically, the German swastika, that is different.


You seriously have a warped view of things sometimes.

Only when you jump to conclusions about what I mean.


Do you think that EVERY person who flies the confederate flag does so only because they support state's rights?

No, but that doesn't mean that every person who flies it is a racist either.


Tell me, do you even know why Kid Rock uses the Confederate flag? Or are you just guessing what he's thinking? Why not use that critical skepticism you love?

I don't know what he's thinking. Do you?


I love the two extremes you present. Really speaks to your worldview.

Or does it mean that I recognize there is everything in between too?


Tell me, if a group of immigrants were to get together for a rally supporting amnesty, waving the Mexican flag, what would you think of them?

That alone isn't enough for me to get a proper impression. Too many possibilities, and I am one who keeps an open mind.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol WC. You're telling me you can't find black community leaders who aren't out to get the white man? :lmao
I haven't looked. however, every one I have ever heard blames white people one way or another rather than telling their followers that they need to improve their selves. They all seem to propagate the hatred. The closest I have ever seen in a black leadership role that reminds people it's within their own power for self improvement is Bill Cosby.

Then you try to say you're not using a "broad brush" when you imply that no black community doesn't have a racial mindset against whites. :lmao :lmao :lmao

I explained that. Didn't you understand?

[Marcus Bryant]

There's a public library in SA, which used to be a private residence, and if you step out on the side porch and look up, you see a number of small tile swastikas. After all these years, they're still, to my knowledge, there.

Symbols are strange things, often changing in meaning over time. When the mind numbing, media fanned 'debates' about the Confederate flag pop up, I think about those tile swastikas, still in view on a public building. Whatever the meaning was that prompted their placement once upon a time, it is now something else, though not intended. Yet they remain. A curiosity from a prior age. The true meaning is up for debate and those who point to the original meaning have a good case.

As for the display of the Confederate battle flag these days, the most charitable assumption that can be made is that one who does so wishes to be provocative, rather than celebrating the meaning ascribed to it by the Klan and friends.

There's a difference between a historical curiosity such as the tile swastikas and the loving embrace of a symbol of racial animus.

[Marcus Bryant]

Though in the defense of Kid Rock and Cobra Commander, both strike me as provocateurs rather than true believers.

[Marcus Bryant]

That an award to a horrid musician posing as a redneck who embraces the iconography of white supremacy, including the Confederate battle flag is actually being debated within the NAACP speaks to how strange, foolish, and vapid American life has become.

[moisaenz]

If confederates can fly the confederate flag, Neo nazi's should wave a Swastika flag around hollywood , that would be hilarious............or better yet the hammer and sickle at tea party conventions.

But yet again.. Kid Rock doing this is just the same as African Americans saying the prohibited N-word to each other......

[Winehole23]

There's a public library in SA, which used to be a private residence, and if you step out on the side porch and look up, you see a number of small tile swastikas. After all these years, they're still, to my knowledge, there.The Landa Branch library near Trinity?

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=bsJ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&biw=1024&bih=581&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=landa+branch+library+san&fb=1&gl=us&hq=landa+branch+library+san&hnear=landa+branch+library+san&cid=4646903811304695896

[boutons_deux]

"The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery."

You Revisionist Racist Liar

Pravda, the whole Pravda, and Nothing but the Pravda

[Sec24Row7]

I'm not a big confederate flag waiver... used to be a texas flag waiver...

That being said...

Slavery lasted a LOT longer under the US flag than the confederate one... and Lincoln didn't free any slaves under his control.

The confederate flag, to me is about states rights and an agricultural aristocracy.. that still survives today after 150 years of emancipation.

There isn't anything racist about it. The south and ALL southerners are constantly bombarded by the north and far west as being backwater hicks. They have a symbol that they identify with... that the people that constantly call them backwater hicks now want to take away from them.

Shrug. I totally see it as a symbol of pride rather than a symbol of hate for some. I totally see it being a symbol SOME hate.

It isn't being used as a symbol of hate for most people. Just because some people hate it doesn't mean the ones that use it should be forced to stop.

[Sec24Row7]

"The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery."

You Revisionist Racist Liar

Pravda, the whole Pravda, and Nothing but the Pravda

How far is too far before you get banned you copy/pasting automaton dork?

[boutons_deux]

"agricultural aristocracy"

... based on slave labor.

If slavery wasn't racist, why weren't there any white slaves? Were there any voluntary white agricultural workers "slaving" alongside the Negroes?

The South wanted to keep their agricultural economy, and wealth, running on cheap black slave labor. They thought they had an entitlement to exploit slaves.

The South figured the blacks didn't have a "God-given, inalienable" RIGHT to be free men.

If Secession wasn't about slave labor, why didn't they just release the slaves rather than go to War that their agricultural economy was bound to lose to the industrial North?

[Sec24Row7]

edit: screw it... im not going to have a conversation with you. It's beneath me.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Landa Branch library near Trinity?

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=bsJ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&biw=1024&bih=581&bav=on.2,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=landa+branch+library+san&fb=1&gl=us&hq=landa+branch+library+san&hnear=landa+branch+library+san&cid=4646903811304695896

Yes. That would seem to be a more authentic example for those who seek to justify their provocative use of offensive symbols through a prior interpretation.

Naturally, you have to look to find those tiles.