Epic's stunning next-gen Unreal video

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/292627/news/must-see-epics-stunning-next-gen-unreal-video/

An intrepid cameraman has filmed Epic's much-discussed 'next-gen' Unreal Engine video from GDC, and god bless him because it looks fantastic.

The engine made its public debut at the convention last week and was described as "Epic's proposal for what the next generation of gaming will look like".

The demo, which was developed with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 500 series of graphics cards, shows off an impressive looking futuristic city that looks like it was taken straight out of Blade Runner.

Mark Rein, VP of Epic Games, said of the demo: "Thanks to NVIDIA's excellent cross-platform physics technologies and DX11 expertise, we have enhanced Unreal Engine 3 to bring unprecedented new levels of realism and demonstrate what the next generation of gaming will be."

Impressive stuff.

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(this is a real-time video, btw, not pre-rendered)

[symple19]

holy shit, that looks badass

[TwAnKiEs]

amazing. Epic sure has the dark scene down. that's for sure.

[DarkReign]

Figured you got the right folks in here for this question...

Im running (4) GTX 295s in Quad SLi right now and thinking about upgrading to DX11 cards.

Found this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130593

What do you think? I'd buy two.

BTW, if you know anyone who wants some GTX 295s, let me know.

[DarkReign]

Oh yeah, another thing. I cant remember this one...

I have a BluRay drive on my PC but cant play fucking movies because my monitor isnt HTPC compliant.

Does that sound right?

EDITED: Nevermind, it was/is called HDCP. Fucking acronyms.

[leemajors]

Oh yeah, another thing. I cant remember this one...

I have a BluRay drive on my PC but cant play fucking movies because my monitor isnt HTPC compliant.

Does that sound right?

EDITED: Nevermind, it was/is called HDCP. Fucking acronyms.

AnyDVD HD gets right around that. I don't think they offer lifetime subscriptions anymore though. I got one for $80, but it is well worth it.

[Jt.ONE]

Figured you got the right folks in here for this question...

Im running (4) GTX 295s in Quad SLi right now and thinking about upgrading to DX11 cards.

Found this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130593

What do you think? I'd buy two.

BTW, if you know anyone who wants some GTX 295s, let me know.

quad cards bro? damnnn talk about overkill haha

[DarkReign]

Looking to upgrade my monitor, too. Still using an old Dell.

Between this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176104

...and this:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-8277&~ck=baynoteSearch&baynote_bnrank=1&baynote_irrank=0

[Cry Havoc]

DR: Get the Dell. They make far better displays than HP.

As for the video card, I personally went with the 6950 from ATI. It's almost as fast as the 570, for about $60 less, and you can put that $60 toward crossfiring the vid cards.

But yeah, the 570 is a great card.

Personally for a display I recommend this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009222&cm_re=120hz_monitor-_-24-009-222-_-Product

It's only 23", but it's 120hz, should make a big difference in games and movies.

[ElNono]

Dark, what you want to look for in your monitor is that it has 8 bit samples (screen film is IPS or newer-PVA). Most monitors use Twisted Nematic (TN) film which is 6 bit, and the dithering can be noticeable (more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD))

My associate the office actually has one of those U2410 monitors and it's an 8-bit IPS display (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_monitors).

The HP you listed is also 8-bit IPS (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13134_na/13134_na.html). Looks good, but it's a bit dated.

Hopefully Cry won't get mad at me (lol), but that Acer monitor is actually TN (http://www.all-monitors.com/monitors/manufacturers/pos/acer_gd235hzbid)

[lefty]

I think the same result could be achieved on current-GEN machines (PS3 and XBOX360) if they were used to their full capacity (which I think hasnt happened yet)

[ElNono]

About the video, thanks for posting.
I really hate tech-demos videos like that. I think it would give them more credibility if they would show the kind of PC and video card they're running that in.
When you find out that's running in some prototype 8 way SLI configuration that's strictly fine-tuned to run that animation, everything comes back down to earth. After all, we're not all DarkReign in here. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Dark, what you want to look for in your monitor is that it has 8 bit samples (screen film is IPS or newer-PVA). Most monitors use Twisted Nematic (TN) film which is 6 bit, and the dithering can be noticeable (more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD))

My associate the office actually has one of those U2410 monitors and it's an 8-bit IPS display (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_monitors).

The HP you listed is also 8-bit IPS (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13134_na/13134_na.html). Looks good, but it's a bit dated.

Hopefully Cry won't get mad at me (lol), but that Acer monitor is actually TN (http://www.all-monitors.com/monitors/manufacturers/pos/acer_gd235hzbid)

o_O Not sure why I would get mad at you for bringing information to the thread.

But at the same time, if DR is going to be doing a lot of gaming, 120hz is extremely nice to have. It probably won't have quite the quality of the Dell display, but it's a trade off. I don't know of any IPS displays that are also 120hz.

[ElNono]

o_O Not sure why I would get mad at you for bringing information to the thread.

:lol I didn't want to come through as a shitting on your recommendation or anything like that.


But at the same time, if DR is going to be doing a lot of gaming, 120hz is extremely nice to have. It probably won't have quite the quality of the Dell display, but it's a trade off. I don't know of any IPS displays that are also 120hz.

here (http://tinyurl.com/5s8k32a)

[ElNono]

IPS monitors are rarely cheap though... So I expect a 120Hz version to be expensive...

[phyzik]

Looks Unreal. :)

[ElNono]

:lol

Looks like the Mitsu is the only one and it's not even real 120hz...

Here's an interesting thread about TN 60Hz vs IPS 120Hz from hardforum:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1575401

[Cry Havoc]

:lol I didn't want to come through as a shitting on your recommendation or anything like that.



here (http://tinyurl.com/5s8k32a)

Uh... yeah. No IPS 120hz computer monitors are listed? None in shopping or in the links, where people are simply asking about them. In fact most threads are just about which is better, 60hz IPS or 120hz TN.

[ElNono]

The Mitsu looks like the only one... but it's supposed to cost about $1400 and do 120Hz through interpolation (like the current crop of 120Hz LCD TVs)...

I guess it depends what Dark will use it for. I read some people buy two, the 120Hz one for gaming and the IPS for slow-paced or movies.

If money is not a problem... :lol

[Halberto]

Whats with the Inception soundtrack?

[Cry Havoc]

I think the same result could be achieved on current-GEN machines (PS3 and XBOX360) if they were used to their full capacity (which I think hasnt happened yet)

:lmao dude, just stop. The ps3 or 360 couldn't even dream of running this. They aren't even in the conversation when you're talking about real-time rendering. They're three generations behind the current crop of video cards. To say nothing of DX11. The consoles are already dinosaurs as far as performance goes.

[TDMVPDPOY]

IPS monitors are rarely cheap though... So I expect a 120Hz version to be expensive...

ips monitors from dell can be on the cheap when they usually have sales plus discount coupons

so far i havnt seen 120mhz IPS panels, but a regular TN 120mhz panel is still good for shooting games compared to the basic 60mhz tn panels, u can really see the difference

[The Reckoning]

the Surgeon General is going to have a fit when he sees that

[lefty]

:lmao dude, just stop. The ps3 or 360 couldn't even dream of running this. They aren't even in the conversation when you're talking about real-time rendering. They're three generations behind the current crop of video cards. To say nothing of DX11. The consoles are already dinosaurs as far as performance goes.
Laugh all you want but we have seen previous-gen consoles pushed to their limits before the release of their successors

You could be surprised

[Cry Havoc]

Laugh all you want but we have seen previous-gen consoles pushed to their limits before the release of their successors

You could be surprised

The Xbox 360 and Ps3 came out in late 2005 and 2006.

Doom 3 was released on PC in late 2004, while the Xbox 1 and the Ps2 were still the top consoles for MS and Sony. Consider trying to run Doom 3 on either of those systems, when actually the game pushed both of the newer consoles pretty hard. Doom 3 would have fried a Ps2 if you tried to run it there, as would many A-list titles from 2004 for the PC, perhaps even from 2003.

Crysis was released in 2007, just one year after the Ps3 shipped, and neither the 360 nor the Ps3 were able to run the game sufficiently to justify a port.

The actual numbers: The Xbox 360 is incapable of processing in the teraflop range, and most numbers have put the graphics chip somewhere in the ~240 to 300 gigaflop range. FLOP = FLoating point OPerations per Second, basically how many simultaneous graphical calculations a computer or console can make at any given moment.

The 2GB 6950 I just put in my new rig, which is not even a top of the line card, processes 2,253 gigaflops. When overclocked, that number can be increased to ~2,700 gigaflops, well over 10 times what the Xbox 360 is capable of producing. The 5970 dual GPU solution produces 4,600+ gigaflops. This is to say nothing of the massive advantage a PC has in RAM or advanced architecture.

Sorry, but it's just not possible for the consoles to keep up any more, and the race hasn't been close since 2007ish, perhaps mid 2008 at the latest. Developers are taking increasingly large cuts to fit any PC games made for porting to the 360/Ps3.

[symple19]

lefty...

[Cry Havoc]

Also consider that the NexGen PSP, to be released late this year or early 2012, will be nearly as powerful as the Ps3, while being only slightly larger than the original PSP.

[lefty]

lefty...
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao

[DarkReign]

DR: Get the Dell. They make far better displays than HP.

As for the video card, I personally went with the 6950 from ATI. It's almost as fast as the 570, for about $60 less, and you can put that $60 toward crossfiring the vid cards.

But yeah, the 570 is a great card.

Personally for a display I recommend this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009222&cm_re=120hz_monitor-_-24-009-222-_-Product

It's only 23", but it's 120hz, should make a big difference in games and movies.


Dark, what you want to look for in your monitor is that it has 8 bit samples (screen film is IPS or newer-PVA). Most monitors use Twisted Nematic (TN) film which is 6 bit, and the dithering can be noticeable (more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD))

My associate the office actually has one of those U2410 monitors and it's an 8-bit IPS display (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_monitors).

The HP you listed is also 8-bit IPS (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13134_na/13134_na.html). Looks good, but it's a bit dated.

Hopefully Cry won't get mad at me (lol), but that Acer monitor is actually TN (http://www.all-monitors.com/monitors/manufacturers/pos/acer_gd235hzbid)

Could have quoted all of your quotes, but I'll just stick to the first two.

The monitor is fucking killing me. I havent been computer shopping in years and I learned a thing or three in my brief time shopping about these past few days.

My needs:

1. Less than 24" - my desk area cannot accommodate a super large display.
2. Must be 16:10 ratio - minimum 1920 x 1200 native res is what I have now and will not change
3. HDCP compliant - why the hell not?
4. HDMI - duhhhh...
5. ≤5ms response time (roughly, I can live with 6ms) - also a duuhhh...

My wants:

1. 120Hz would be nice, but I doubt my needs will allow this.
2. IPS - did a lot of reading...this is the next gen montior.
3. LED backlight - again, might not line-up with needs

Sorry CH, that Acer isnt 16:10, which bums me out. Seen it on Newegg and thats about the only drawback I could find.

[DarkReign]

Also, it seems HDCP only works through the DVI port?!

Meaning if I use an HDMI cord, I wont be able to play BluRays without AnyDVD HD?!

[DarkReign]

BTW, I am still using a Dell 2405FPW

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/displays/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=corp&sku=320-4221

Its a 12ms response time @ 76Hz x 81 Hz (whatever the hell that means, I think its 60Hz)

[leemajors]

Also, it seems HDCP only works through the DVI port?!

Meaning if I use an HDMI cord, I wont be able to play BluRays without AnyDVD HD?!

I got a blu ray for my comp and used a 25' dvi to hdmi and I ran into the same problem. It sucked, but AnyDVD has been pretty useful, esp for ripping blu ray dvds. It is lame as hell to have to buy it just to watch something though.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

I don't think a cigarette would cause a head to move that much

[Cry Havoc]

Sorry CH, that Acer isnt 16:10, which bums me out. Seen it on Newegg and thats about the only drawback I could find.

16:9 really bums you out that much? The difference between 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 will be imperceptible 99.99% of the time.

[DarkReign]

16:9 really bums you out that much? The difference between 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 will be imperceptible 99.99% of the time.

Its a thang, man. 16:10 is what I know and love.

[Cry Havoc]

Its a thang, man. 16:10 is what I know and love.

No no, I get that, but how would you tell the difference?

[DarkReign]

No no, I get that, but how would you tell the difference?

By those extra 60 pixels per side. Cmon, Im the moron who runs Quad SLi, its just me. I like having the maximum, the best, even for only a few months.

[Cry Havoc]

By those extra 60 pixels per side. Cmon, Im the moron who runs Quad SLi, its just me. I like having the maximum, the best, even for only a few months.

I'll take the 60 hz extra over the 120 pixels any day of the week.

[DarkReign]

I'll take the 60 hz extra over the 120 pixels any day of the week.

Hmmm, youre making me consider...

[ElNono]

AFAIK, all HDMI include HDCP. On DVI, it's optional, although almost all newish monitors support HDCP through the DVI port...

As far as an 24" IPS monitor that's 16:10, the U2410 seems to be the best rated out there ATM...