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Nbadan
09-25-2004, 07:25 AM
I’ve called you all into the parlor this evening to announce that I have cracked “The Strange Case of the TANG Forgeries”. I’m sure you all know Roger Stone and his lovely wife Nydia Bertran-Stone, that fiery Cuban rightwinger, who helped him arrange for Cuban righties to come down to the Miami courthouse, riot, and steal the election for Dubya in 2000. And guess who James Baker also asked to come and riot, Harry W. MacDougald, the “eagle-eyed” Buckhead, who announced the TANG documents were forgeries almost immediately, as if he had been forewarned. So Stone and Buckhead rioted together. Harry W. MacDougald is actually part of a gang of Republican lawyers who will do almost anything for the GOP.

Mr. Stone is infamous for his electioneering dirty tricks for years, and this year he even became the campaign manager and chief money-raiser for Al Sharpton in a blatant attempt to conflate Sharpton with the word Democrat and sink the ticket.

During the Democratic primaries, the AWOL charge came up. Karl Rove, alarmed at this turn of events, decided to forge documents that were based on real documents, with truth in them that reflected badly on the President, but that were fake. If he could get the DNC or the Kerry campaign to run with them, the cry of forgery could be used to shut down all talk of Bush’s National Guard service, once they were exposed. A simple plan, Nazis did it all the time.

Only Rove, with Bartlett’s help, could have made the forgeries, for Bartlett was an expert on the TANG records and had documents not yet released to the press. Rove would have kept the circle small, with as few in the know as possible. They forge the memos, originally typed by Mrs. Knox on an old Olympia manual, on a word processor.

Rove then calls up his best operative who is not officially connected with the campaign--the notorious Roger Stone—someone who would never talk and the only person Rove would give the job to. Rove then gets Stone the TANG forgeries. Nydia Stone, who has a Cuban accent, and has a long history of right-wing politics, having been Nixon’s personal photographer and a photographer at the Reagan White House, offers to play the part of the damsel in distress, Lucy Ramirez. The Stones, who love to put on a good show, are thrilled to be “back in action”.

Bill Burkett was the patsy selected by Rove and Bartlett, having had a history of mental illness and known to hate Bush. “Lucy Ramirez” calls Burkett and tells him of the documents, telling him he must get them to Kerry, but that he must promise to destroy the originals as soon as copies them for her sake. Burkett agrees and arranges to meet her at a livestock show in Lubbock.

But Lucy doesn’t show up. Not wanting his wife to be the one to make the handoff--it was Roger Stone delivering the hottest envelope of 2004 to Bill Burkett. Stone then turned around and left without saying a word. Burkett, being an honorable man, obeyed the damsel in distress pleas and burned the originals after copying them. "Lucy Ramirez" and the "unknown man with the envelope" disappear.

The trap is set, only Burkett doesn't call anyone about the documents until Mary Mapes tracks him down and asks if there is anything else he knows.

When the promos for the CBS report come on, Roger Stone phones MacDougald and the trap is set. Within hours, MacDougald has every main point in play and the game begins.

THINK—Why would a Democrat give forged documents to a source like Burkett who could be easily destroyed as a witness?

Only a Republican would do it and Roger and Nydia Stone have been in the middle of top-level dirty tricks for years. Nydia even put Al Sharpton over the top with a $250 contribution from herself and friends, when he almost didn’t make the matching fund threshold.

She is as big a right-winger as her husband is. She is no doubt Lucy Ramirez, and what I have laid out here before you is the only probable solution to the whole case, no matter how unlikely that may seem—given Rove and Bartlett’s position.

The final sign that this was a White House forgery came when the reporter interviewing Dan Bartlett noted that his statement that he had no reason to doubt they were forgeries was emphasized so much the reporter noticed it as standing out. Bartlett today cancelled all his appearances, possibly to avoid questioning by the other side.

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"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

Source:DU (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2410324)

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Here is a link to the original thread that more clearly Identifies Buckhead as Harry W. Macdougald

Buckhead Uncovered (http://p090.ezboard.com/ffullsportpressfrm25.showMessage?topicID=1969.topi c)

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Here is a link to the original Rathergate document thread.

The FSP flat Earth Society (http://p090.ezboard.com/ffullsportpressfrm25.showMessage?topicID=1844.topi c)

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Here is the link to the original Roger Stone rumor thread.

Was There GOP Involvment in Rathergate? (http://p090.ezboard.com/ffullsportpressfrm25.showMessage?topicID=2028.topi c)

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Nbadan
09-25-2004, 07:40 AM
More theories involving Macdougald (Buckhead)...


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Who is Liz Macdougald?

So we know that "Buckhead" posted anonymously about the memos on FreeRepublic.com within four hours of CBS airing them. We also know that someone named Liz Macdougald began e-mailing conservative blogs like Powerline telling people that they needed to read Buckhead's post. Later we learned that "Buckhead" was an Atlanta lawyer named Harry MacDougald who writes non-anonymous letters to the editor of the AJC and has even been profiled as a Republican "people's lawyer."

Now I can report that MacDougald's wife is named Jane E Francis. AKA Jane E MacDougald. AKA Jane Elizabeth Francis. Or Liz MacDougald. So why would MacDougald post anonymously and then use his wife's name and email to generate traffic to his post. Why not just post using his real name?

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Link (http://www.chrisishardcore.com/)

afe7FATMAN
09-25-2004, 08:09 AM
Another one from the Democratic underground:rolleyes

Are you sure the Mrs Stone isn't the one married to Oliver Stone?

Yonivore
09-25-2004, 09:08 AM
All I gotta say, Nbadanallah, is if the Kerry campaign, CBS, and Bush-hater Bill Burkett all fell for those phony documents without knowing their provenance, they deserve what they got.

They're dumber than a box of rocks. But, you probably know, that most of us believe your "Rove-did-it" conspiracies are just a tad paranoid and highly implausible...at least, less plausible that what is being forwarded by the us lesser beings on the planet Earth.

Tommy Duncan
09-25-2004, 09:39 AM
Do you hear voices, danny?

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-26-2004, 04:27 PM
Danny can't hear the voices. There's multiple black helicopters in orbit over his house.