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CosmicCowboy
06-02-2005, 03:05 PM
Saudis Are Divided on Letting Women Drive
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Jun 2, 3:27 PM (ET)

By DONNA ABU-NASR


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - All he was asking, says Mohammad al-Zulfa, was that his fellow legislators think - just think - about studying the possibility of allowing women - not all of them, just some - to drive.

But circumspect though he was, he has touched off a fierce controversy, pitting women's rights campaigners against conservatives who believe that lifting Saudi Arabia's ban on women drivers is un-Islamic and will lead to permissiveness.

There have been calls to kick al-Zulfa off the Consultative Council, the all-male legislative arm appointed by the king, and even to strip him of Saudi citizenship. His cell phone constantly rings with furious calls accusing him of encouraging women to commit the double sins of discarding their veils and mixing with men. A phone text message prays Allah will freeze his blood. Chat rooms bristle with accusations that al-Zulfa is "driven by carnal instincts."

The uproar - and the fact that it cuts both ways - underscores the divisions in Saudi society between the guardians of its super-strict Islamic codes of behavior and those who want to usher in more liberal attitudes.

Conservatives, who believe women should be shielded from strange men, say women in the driver's seat will be free to leave home alone and go when and where they please; to unduly expose their eyes while driving; to interact with strange men such as traffic cops and mechanics.

"Driving by women leads to evil," Munir al-Shahrani wrote in a letter to the Al-Watan daily. "Can you imagine what it would be like if her car broke down? She would have to seek help from men."

On the other hand, Abdulrahman al-Rashed, a Saudi who is general manager of Al-Arabiya television, says the issue should be dealt with before it becomes more divisive.

"It's inconceivable that in a country of 25 million, a third of them are women who wait for a driver every day to take them to school, the hospital and relatives' homes," he wrote in a column in the Asharq al-Awsat newspaper.

Al-Zulfa, the legislator, contends that the ban exists neither in law nor Islam, but is based on fatwas, or edicts, by senior clerics who say women at the wheel create situations for sinful temptation.

It is the same argument used to restrict other freedoms. Without written permission from a male guardian, women may not travel, get an education or work. They cannot mix with men in public or leave home without wearing black cloaks.

The driving ban applies to all women, Saudi and foreign, and forces families to hire live-in drivers. These drivers are allowed to be alone with women because, Al-Zulfa explained, clerics deem this a lesser evil than driving. Women whose families cannot afford $300-400 a month for a driver rely on male relatives to chauffeur them around.

In November 1990, when U.S. troops were in Saudi Arabia following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, some 50 women defied the ban and drove cars. They were jailed for one day, their passports were confiscated and they lost their jobs.

Al-Zulfa brought up the issue a month ago in an open session of the Consultative Council, during a discussion of traffic accidents and chauffeurs.

"I know that talking about women driving is taboo, so I decided to take advantage of our discussions to bring up the topic," said al-Zulfa, a 61-year-old, Western-educated man with a salt-and-pepper mustache and a ready smile.

He proposed a study of the issue, arguing that relaxing the ban would save money and lives, because he believes women are cautious drivers.

He suggested that only women over age 35 or 40 be allowed to drive - unchaperoned on city streets but accompanied by a male guardian on highways.

Al-Zulfa put the proposal in writing, but council head Sheik Saleh bin Humaid, apparently worried about conservative reaction, has not responded.

Many women activists welcomed al-Zulfa's suggestion.

Nadine al-Budair, a Saudi writer, said in a column in Al-Watan newspaper that women, unrepresented on the council, hope it will support al-Zulfa. "How long will women remain shrouded in the sad color of black and hiding in back seats like devils, while the men are covered angel-like in happy, pure white clothes that guarantee them the front seat?" she wrote.

But other activists, like Wajiha al-Huweidar, who writes for the online Elaph publication, accuse al-Zulfa of using the issue to project himself as a reformer.

"Saudi women will not allow the intellectuals to shine and their names to glitter at our expense," she wrote.

Xolotl
06-02-2005, 03:24 PM
Wow this is just a powderkeg.....I'm just gonna sit back and watch the people fight on what gender drives better.

But, I do hope they let them. To me it just seems so strange not to let women drive. But, I am a product of my culture :p

desflood
06-02-2005, 03:26 PM
Here, I'll start - if they allow women to begin driving, I predict the rate of accidents going up by 38% the first year.

Xolotl
06-02-2005, 03:28 PM
Here, I'll start - if they allow women to begin driving, I predict the rate of accidents going up by 38% the first year.

But they will be able to save 15% by switching to Geico

SWC Bonfire
06-02-2005, 03:41 PM
"Driving by women leads to evil," Munir al-Shahrani wrote in a letter to the Al-Watan daily.

:lol

Xolotl
06-02-2005, 03:43 PM
I dont mind women drivers at all. The only thing about them that bothers me are the few that are putting on makeup while they drive, ie looking in the rearview mirror putting that stuff on their eyes while doing down 1604 @ 75 mph

sa_butta
06-02-2005, 03:57 PM
This morning on the Interstate, I looked over to my left and there was a woman in a brand new Cadillac doing 65 mph with her face up next to her rear view mirror putting on her eyeliner. I looked away for a couple seconds and when I looked back she was halfway over in my lane, still working on that makeup.

As a man, I don't scare easily. But she scared me so much; I dropped my electric shaver, which knocked the doughnut out of my other hand. In all the confusion of trying to straighten out the car using my knees against the steering wheel, it knocked my cell phone away from my ear which fell into the coffee between my legs, splashed, and burned Mr. Happy and the Twins, ruined the damn phone, soaked my trousers, and disconnected an important call.

Damn women drivers

ObiwanGinobili
06-02-2005, 07:02 PM
so they don't worry at all about women sleeping wiht the live in drivers??
but god forbid if they could drive then they'd be fuckign the hole neighborhood huh???

really, who knew that women were such smoldering sex addicts?

N.Y. Johnny
06-02-2005, 09:57 PM
I dont mind women drivers at all. The only thing about them that bothers me are the few that are putting on makeup while they drive, ie looking in the rearview mirror putting that stuff on their eyes while doing down 1604 @ 75 mph


That bugs the Hell out of Me TOO!!

sincerely,
the guy eating the Whataburger
whatameal while changing CD's

ObiwanGinobili
06-03-2005, 09:54 AM
I dont mind women drivers at all. The only thing about them that bothers me are the few that are putting on makeup while they drive, ie looking in the rearview mirror putting that stuff on their eyes while doing down 1604 @ 75 mph



That bugs the Hell out of Me TOO!!

sincerely,
the guy eating the Whataburger
whatameal while changing CD's


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao .................. TAZE!