Phil Jackson: 2006 NBA Finals were rigged

[Ghazi]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=6211182

[Ghazi]

just sayin :cry

[lefty]

Lol 2002 WCF

[Giuseppe]

Lol 2002 WCF

CWEBB turnin' his back on Horry and startin' up that lane.

BOOM! Just like that.

[InRareForm]

LOL @ the last quote

[PGDynasty24]

I was never a Mavs fan,but that series was crazy. You breathed on Wade and he was going to foul line. How many did he average in that series?

[lefty]

CWEBB turnin' his back on Horry and startin' up that lane.

BOOM! Just like that.

Horry!

[DJ Mbenga]

phil the troll tried to bait cuban into a fine.

[lefty]

yeah it was rigged, and everyone who knows basketball knows it. universally the only people who deny it are ignorant fucks who think it's a totally honest league just because their team has had success and don't want to discredit that, heat fans, or spur fans blinded by their hate of all things dallas.

Oh it was rigged

But it was the only time in my life that I enjoyed watching rigged games

[j.dizzle]

:lol I'll miss Phil's comments when he's gone. This will just piss off Cuban even more.

[LkrFan]

PJ was right. I just wish he said that after this season.

[ChuckD]

PJ riffing on fixed Finals is as funny as Palin telling people to tone down the rhetoric this week. :lol

[Galileo]

we got a lot of conspiracy nuts here. Its sad to now see Phil Jackson fell into that category.

[Killakobe81]

I wont say rigged by the reffing was atrocious. The Finals that year was only part of the story.Dont get me wrong Mavs still wet the bed, but the refs did them no favors and Wade was given calls MJ never got ...

Plus stern and Cuban were feuding so it DID look suspicious ...

[endrity]

I wont say rigged by the reffing was atrocious. The Finals that year was only part of the story.Dont get me wrong Mavs still wet the bed, but the refs did them no favors and Wade was given calls MJ never got ...

Plus stern and Cuban were feuding so it DID look suspicious ...

Man I hate getting back into all of this....

but even if the Mavs did wet the bed, 3 out the 4 games were decided by 2, 1, and 3 points. Even one bad decision, let alone several, changes the outcome of a game and those series. When the difference is that small, than calls make a huge difference. And with one of the many calls going the other way, than Maybe the Mavs are not remembered as much for wetting the bed as they are now.

[Thompson]

And if it wasn't for officiating that favored the Mavs vs. the Spurs that year, they never would have gotten that far anyway. Even if you ignore the countless ridiculous fouls that got Spurs players ejected in several games, they called the foul on Ginobili in game 7 (legit call) but swallowed their whistles 6 seconds later when Dirk hacked Duncan across the forearms at the end of regulation.

Perfect officiating that year would not have resulted in a Mavs championship. It would have prevented you from being there in the first place.

[Jacob1983]

How much of a fine is Phil looking at? And will he be muzzled by Darth Stern? I gotta give props to Phil for speaking the truth. Finally someone in the NBA community speaks about it and doesn't just turn and look the other way or try to sweep it under the rug. Sure, the Mavs sucked ass in games 3-6 and if they had even just half-assed they would have won that series. Excluding the terrible calls, in order for the Heat to win in 2006, Wade had to play lights out for 4 games and the Mavs had to play like a WNBA team. Just sayin'. However, the games were really close so those bad calls did change the course of events for both teams but the sad thing is that it's history and nothing will change. Stern is too much of an arrogant insecure douchebag to admit any wrong doing. He would not even admit that there was a possibility of any wrong doing. It did not not even matter that he had a dirty ref in his league. His league was still clean. How can a league be clean and fair when you have a ref trying to fix games? Even if Donaghy was the only one, how are we suppose to believe it? There will always be doubt in my opinion because of Donaghy.

Silly Spurs fans trying to compare the officiating of the 2006 Finals to the second round matchup of the Mavs and Spurs in 2006. Terrible comparison. Not even fuckin close.

[BRHornet45]

sons the bottom line is that the Mavericks knew this and didn't have the balls to send a bench player out there to knock Wade the fuck out. If they had hard fouled his ass and injured him then maybe they could have won the championship, but they didn't. they just took it up the ass while the entire world laughed at them.

the Heat have rings to show for it, while the Mavs and Dirk are still living in the past and still choking.

[mavsfan1000]

And if it wasn't for officiating that favored the Mavs vs. the Spurs that year, they never would have gotten that far anyway. Even if you ignore the countless ridiculous fouls that got Spurs players ejected in several games, they called the foul on Ginobili in game 7 (legit call) but swallowed their whistles 6 seconds later when Dirk hacked Duncan across the forearms at the end of regulation.

Perfect officiating that year would not have resulted in a Mavs championship. It would have prevented you from being there in the first place.
Bs. Spurs had more free throws than the mavs that series. Duncan got a ton of calls and free throws. Dampier and Diop were not able to defend them like they liked.

[Thompson]

Bs. Spurs had more free throws than the mavs that series. Duncan got a ton of calls and free throws. Dampier and Diop were not able to defend them like they liked.

As if that solely determines whether calls were fair. Off the top of my head, aside from the no-call when Dirk hacked Duncan at the end of regulation in game 7 (that one call probably would have won the series for the Spurs), Duncan was fouled out of one game when Dirk stepped on Duncan's stationary foot, and another key player (I think Bowen) was fouled out of another game when (Terry?) jumped backwards into him.

Duncan also was called for a foul at one point (in the game he fouled out) where he drew a charge and the ref called it a blocking foul and pointed to the restricted area. The replay showed Duncan's heel a good foot outside the restricted area line.

[mavsfan1000]

As if that solely determines whether calls were fair. Off the top of my head, aside from the no-call when Dirk hacked Duncan at the end of regulation in game 7 (that one call probably would have won the series for the Spurs), Duncan was fouled out of one game when Dirk stepped on Duncan's stationary foot, and another key player (I think Bowen) was fouled out of another game when (Terry?) jumped backwards into him.
Funny I remember Duncan constantly throwing himself into Dampier and Diop and getting them both in foul trouble. Duncan had a Wade type series but the Mavs still found a way to win it despite it. That series was a game of millimeters. Not inches.

[Koolaid_Man]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=6211182


Phil ain't doing nothing but trolling the shit outta Cuban....for Cuban talking all that shit about Jeanie and him being a boy-toy...Phil is preparing to drag Cuban to that tree.... ohh yeah...that tree...

Man LA won't be the same without Phil....I'd honestly like to see LA give either CAP or Jerry Sloan the gig once Phil does the waltz and sings fly me to the moonl by ole Frankie boy....:lol

[Thompson]

Funny I remember Duncan constantly throwing himself into Dampier and Diop and getting them both in foul trouble. Duncan had a Wade type series but the Mavs still found a way to win it despite it. That series was a game of millimeters. Not inches.

Gee, the greatest power forward of all time was able to draw fouls from the Dampier and Diop? Stunning.

Why did you ever let those two hall-of-famers go, anyway?

Still doesn't change the fact that (ignoring all the other stupid calls in that series) a call on Dirk for the hack (seconds after Ginobili was called for fouling him) would probably have won the series for the Spurs.

[Koolaid_Man]

Id like to see Coop get the job. I'm not sold on Shaw and fuck Rambis and Scott.


yeah Coop ain't bad at all...but I'm hearing Shaw is being groomed...that don't sound too good to me...but it will be nice for Kobe to win 1 without Phil....something else we can say MJ never did....:lol

[Jacob1983]

Here's what happened. The Mavs got a lot of calls in games 1-4 then the Spurs got some love in games 5 and 6. It went that way because the NBA likes doing that shit to sell their product. Getting a Spurs fan to admit defeat is like getting Charlie Sheen to admit he's bat shit crazy.

[Budkin]

And if it wasn't for officiating that favored the Mavs vs. the Spurs that year, they never would have gotten that far anyway. Even if you ignore the countless ridiculous fouls that got Spurs players ejected in several games, they called the foul on Ginobili in game 7 (legit call) but swallowed their whistles 6 seconds later when Dirk hacked Duncan across the forearms at the end of regulation.

Perfect officiating that year would not have resulted in a Mavs championship. It would have prevented you from being there in the first place.

This. Games 3 and 4 of that series were decided on some bullshit ticky tack fouls at the tail end of the game. Most of them were on Bruce Bowen guarding Dirk. He didn't get quite the gifts that were given to Wade in the Finals, but it was damn close.

You know though after all the shit Cuban talked about the Spurs and San Antonio, and Jason Terry's nut punch on Fin, there was nothing more satisfying than seeing the Mavs gag away the championship as Karma took over.

[Beau]

Of course the Finals were rigged, did you not see what happened in the Finals the year before?

How the fuck else you think Dallas and Miami got to the Finals? :lmao

[endrity]

This. Games 3 and 4 of that series were decided on some bullshit ticky tack fouls at the tail end of the game. Most of them were on Bruce Bowen guarding Dirk. He didn't get quite the gifts that were given to Wade in the Finals, but it was damn close.

You know though after all the shit Cuban talked about the Spurs and San Antonio, and Jason Terry's nut punch on Fin, there was nothing more satisfying than seeing the Mavs gag away the championship as Karma took over.

Bearhug defense!

[Giuseppe]

This. Games 3 and 4 of that series were decided on some bullshit ticky tack fouls at the tail end of the game. Most of them were on Bruce Bowen guarding Dirk. He didn't get quite the gifts that were given to Wade in the Finals, but it was damn close.

You know though after all the shit Cuban talked about the Spurs and San Antonio, and Jason Terry's nut punch on Fin, there was nothing more satisfying than seeing the Mavs gag away the championship as Karma took over.

Bomb diggity, Bud, I had the same jollies watching The Skunker.

[greyforest]

we got a lot of conspiracy nuts here. Its sad to now see Phil Jackson, Van Gundy, Shaq, Dunleavy, etc etc etc. fell into that category.


yeah it was rigged, and everyone who knows basketball knows it. universally the only people who deny it are ignorant fucks

[silverblk mystix]

Phil Jackson knows a lot about rigged NBA games so this has some merit...

2000,2001,2002,2009,2010

MJ,Kobe,Shaq,Gasol,

Phil is an expert on rigged games.

[monosylab1k]

lolololol classic GNSF responses

":cry Mavs can't whine about fouls against Miami because they got all the calls in the WCSF!"

that's gotta be in the Holy Trinity with "Manu>Everything" and "Spurs=Class"

[monosylab1k]

btw Phil's comments had nothing to do with Dallas. It was 100% about mind games with Miami, specifically Wade. Phil only plays mind games with teams he considers a threat, there's no reason to consider Dallas a threat. But LA has every reason to be threatened by Miami.

[Biggems]

The Mavs were up 2-0 and had a double digit lead in the 4th quarter of game 3....and choked it away....after that, the Wade love fest began...nearly 100 FTs in 6 games is absolutely ridiculous, especially when almost all of them seemed to come in the final 4 games.

As far as the Spurs/Mavs series. Yes, Dallas got some calls. So did the Spurs. I am upset because the Spurs committed stupid turnovers late in 3 of the 4 losses. These were unforced errors. Like one of them was Manu dribbling the ball off his leg and out of bounds. Also, the Spurs missed key shots and FTs, whereas Dallas converted. In game 7, Manu should have let Dirk have the layup. Dallas would have had to foul, as the Spurs would have been up 1 with seconds to go. Who knows how it would have ended after that. Unfortunately, Manu did foul. Dirk fouled Duncan on the layup attempt, but no call. Manu missed the rebound put in and the game went into OT. Of course, even if the foul would have been called, there is no guarantee that Duncan makes a FT, but he should have been given the opportunity.

Still, the Mavs won, the Spurs lost. It still bugs me, but hey, the Spurs should have played better in the closing minutes of several of those games.

I didn't watch the Finals at all that year, but it was nice to find out the Mavs choked away a ring. Thank you Dallas for warming the cockles of my heart.

[Ace]

Lol 2002 WCF

[Giuseppe]

^CWEBB shouldn't a walked away from Horry.

And that stupid ass Wallace did the same gd thing a few years later.

[Ace]

^CWEBB shouldn't a walked away from Horry.

And that stupid ass Wallace did the same gd thing a few years later.

Game 7 fts in 4th quarter. Classic Laker fan selective memory

[Giuseppe]

Game 7 fts in 4th quarter. Classic Laker fan selective memory

You've no room.

Nobody, but, absolutely nobody who rings has nary room.

You don't ring by doin' goodPERIOD

[Ace]

You've no room.

Nobody, but, absolutely nobody who rings has nary room.

You don't ring by doin' goodPERIOD

I'll throw you out in the street and make more room.

[Giuseppe]

I'll throw you out in the street and make more room.

Pack a big lunch, I ain't a soft seat.

[Ace]

Pack a big lunch, I ain't a soft seat.

Yer out and yer staying out

[ohmwrecker]

btw Phil's comments had nothing to do with Dallas. It was 100% about mind games with Miami, specifically Wade. Phil only plays mind games with teams he considers a threat, there's no reason to consider Dallas a threat. But LA has every reason to be threatened by Miami.

He is obviously trying to rattle Wade's cage because the Lakers have been shellacked twice by the Heat, but it won't work and it doesn't matter because the Heat won't make it to the Finals. The Lakers are the safe bet, but they have stiffer competition this year than the previous two.

[Giuseppe]

Yer out and yer staying out

:lol

[Giuseppe]

He is obviously trying to rattle Wade's cage because the Lakers have been shellacked twice by the Heat, but it won't work and it doesn't matter because the Heat won't make it to the Finals. The Lakers are the safe bet, but they have stiffer competition this year than the previous two.

It was a comprehensive hit by Jackson:::Stern, Cuban, I suppose Wade since several others are citing him. Jackson is preparing the battlefield. Last season he went to the whip early on player minutes, this season he's going outside the organization for sustenance & aid.

[ohmwrecker]

It was a comprehensive hit by Jackson:::Stern, Cuban, I suppose Wade since several others are citing him. Jackson is preparing the battlefield. Last season he went to the whip early on player minutes, this season he's going outside the organization for sustenance & aid.

I like to think of Phil as dignified, somewhat righteous dude (really the only person in the org who is close), but if he wants to get down and wrestle in the shit with Cuban, he might be dumber than I thought. Not his best work, tbh.

[dbreiden83080]

Yeah all sports are rigged

why bother watching?

[mavsfan1000]

lol Phil Jackson finally said something that was right. He better watch out though. The refs could turn against him after that comment.

[ohmwrecker]

Yeah all sports are rigged

why bother watching?

lol MMA

[Ace]

lol MMGAY

[poop]

And if it wasn't for officiating that favored the Mavs vs. the Spurs that year, they never would have gotten that far anyway. Even if you ignore the countless ridiculous fouls that got Spurs players ejected in several games, they called the foul on Ginobili in game 7 (legit call) but swallowed their whistles 6 seconds later when Dirk hacked Duncan across the forearms at the end of regulation.

Perfect officiating that year would not have resulted in a Mavs championship. It would have prevented you from being there in the first place.


x1000000000000,0000000000000000

[poop]

Spurs-Mavs game 3 in dallas:

dallas shoots 50 free throws, more than the Heat got in any Finals game, more than any team has shot in the playoffs in modern times.

Dirt, a 7-foot jump shooter, went to the line 25 times.

Duncan fouls out when Dirt steps on him.

Mavs win game by ONE POINT.


hahahhaha its one thing for Wade to draw fouls, hes a small slashing guard who got calls with relentless drives into the paint. its a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT thing to shoot 25 free throws in one game when you are a 7-foot perimeter shooter being guarded by a guy 6 inches shorter than you. in fact, nothing like that has ever happened in the NBA. but yeah
it was 'only the Finals' that were fixed .....

[Giuseppe]

Spurs Fan is the biggest whinerPERIOD

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol mavs

[mavsfan1000]

Spurs-Mavs game 3 in dallas:

dallas shoots 50 free throws, more than the Heat got in any Finals game, more than any team has shot in the playoffs in modern times.

Dirt, a 7-foot jump shooter, went to the line 25 times.

Duncan fouls out when Dirt steps on him.

Mavs win game by ONE POINT.


hahahhaha its one thing for Wade to draw fouls, hes a small slashing guard who got calls with relentless drives into the paint. its a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT thing to shoot 25 free throws in one game when you are a 7-foot perimeter shooter being guarded by a guy 6 inches shorter than you. in fact, nothing like that has ever happened in the NBA. but yeah
it was 'only the Finals' that were fixed .....
Dirk's shots are unguardable unless you bump him. Bumping him equals fouling him though some refs are shitty enough to ignore the fouls.

[Giuseppe]

Dirk's shots are unguardable unless you bump him. Bumping him equals fouling him though some refs are shitty enough to ignore the fouls.

Sad, but true.

[Obstructed_View]

btw Phil's comments had nothing to do with Dallas. It was 100% about mind games with Miami, specifically Wade. Phil only plays mind games with teams he considers a threat, there's no reason to consider Dallas a threat. But LA has every reason to be threatened by Miami.

I agree. He just couldn't resist the urge to needle Cuban in the process, but Wade and the Heat were the target.

[Obstructed_View]

Dirk's shots are unguardable unless you bump him. Bumping him equals fouling him though some refs are shitty enough to ignore the fouls.

Or unless he steps on your foot. :lol

Anyone that thinks Dirk was just shooting fadeaways didn't watch that series. Dirk was extremely aggressive. He may have gotten the lion's share of the calls, but he worked for them.

[Axe Murderer]

Spurs-Mavs game 3 in dallas:

dallas shoots 50 free throws, more than the Heat got in any Finals game, more than any team has shot in the playoffs in modern times.

Dirt, a 7-foot jump shooter, went to the line 25 times.

Duncan fouls out when Dirt steps on him.

Mavs win game by ONE POINT.


hahahhaha its one thing for Wade to draw fouls, hes a small slashing guard who got calls with relentless drives into the paint. its a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT thing to shoot 25 free throws in one game when you are a 7-foot perimeter shooter being guarded by a guy 6 inches shorter than you. in fact, nothing like that has ever happened in the NBA. but yeah
it was 'only the Finals' that were fixed .....

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[Josepatches_]

Phil wanted to say 2010 NBA Finals were rigged

[Beau]

Coming up on 5 years... Mavfan still be clinging to this shit. :cry

[poop]

dallas you mad?

http://www.supersportscenter.com/images/product/medium/2528.jpg

[Giuseppe]

Coming up on 5 years... Mavfan still be clinging to this shit. :cry

I ponder the calamity of the '84 Finals more than any Finals we've ever won.

It's the nature of the beast.

[poop]

I ponder the calamity of the '84 Finals more than any Finals we've ever won.

It's the nature of the beast.

shut up fag

[Beau]

I ponder the calamity of the '84 Finals more than any Finals we've ever won.

It's the nature of the beast.

That's fine. Tis the nature of the beast. But you won't get the :cry unless you begin to start threads on the subject on a weekly or monthly basis.

[poop]

yes it must be really hard to deal with not winning the title when you have the best front court and the best perimeter player in the entire league on the same team, something that is normal for the lakers franchise.

[Giuseppe]

yes it must be really hard to deal with not winning the title when you have the best front court and the best perimeter player in the entire league on the same team, something that is normal for the lakers franchise.


I wouldn't know. I've never spent a day on this Forum without being NBA World Champion.

It's my religion.

[cobbler]

yes it must be really hard to deal with not winning the title when you have the best front court and the best perimeter player in the entire league on the same team, something that is normal for the lakers franchise.

Correct! :toast Those days sucked.

[poop]

lakers fans are like the grown up guys that enter a game of kids then get all pumped up and cheer when they score over the 8 year olds.
congrats, you start with an enormous inherent advantage over the other teams, must be really fun and exciting when you manage to eek out a win over franchises who have to struggle just to land a 2nd tier free agent once ever three years.

[TampaDude]

I wouldn't know. I've never spent a day on this Forum without being NBA World Champion.

It's my religion.

Really??? You're an NBA Champion??? What's your jersey #??? :lol

[silverblk mystix]

Poop with the goods....TWICE.

Impressive.

[Giuseppe]

lakers fans are like the grown up guys that enter a game of kids then get all pumped up and cheer when they score over the 8 year olds.

Don't start with the molestation material, asshole. I'll put you in bed with your mother so quick you'll think yer world come to an end.

Savvy?

[dbreiden83080]

lol MMA

Yeah fighting is for pussies..

[Sean Cagney]

And if it wasn't for officiating that favored the Mavs vs. the Spurs that year, they never would have gotten that far anyway. Even if you ignore the countless ridiculous fouls that got Spurs players ejected in several games, they called the foul on Ginobili in game 7 (legit call) but swallowed their whistles 6 seconds later when Dirk hacked Duncan across the forearms at the end of regulation.

Perfect officiating that year would not have resulted in a Mavs championship. It would have prevented you from being there in the first place.

Don't forget the Tech they took back later on Finley in a game we lost in OT, which Pop says so that means we win by a point right?? That game there made it a 7 game series instead of 6, Spurs would have won that shyt if not for stupid calls like that no doubt. This is truth here, most Mavs fans will deny it but officiating was horrible in that series too. I remember CHUCK after one game on TNT where we lost say NBA officials are horrible, period. That still sticks out in my mind.
Dirk's shots are unguardable unless you bump him. Bumping him equals fouling him though some refs are shitty enough to ignore the fouls.

Funny that a jump shooter goes to the lane that many times like he is Jordan though! Dirk lived out on the perimeter, but got foul calls like mad.

Dallas fans bytch about 06 and we Spurs fans do as well, thing is both of us have damn good points at times and neither side will admit it. Both were robbed in ways IMO.

[ohmwrecker]

Yeah fighting is for pussies..

Stop being so defensive. I didn't call anyone a pussy.

[dbreiden83080]

Stop being so defensive. I didn't call anyone a pussy.

:toast



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[ALVAREZ6]

Stern rigs the NBA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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[dbreiden83080]

Stern rigs the NBA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow
:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow
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I don't know why anyone talks about this stuff? If anyone as a fan thinks that is even a possibility then why watch? Jackson doesn't actually believe this, if he did why coach? You don't work your butt off like these coaches and athletes do if you think there is even a slight chance something shady is going on that would prevent you from winning..

[monosylab1k]

Yeah fighting is for pussies..

no, just dumbasses

[Thompson]

Don't forget the Tech they took back later on Finley in a game we lost in OT, which Pop says so that means we win by a point right?? That game there made it a 7 game series instead of 6, Spurs would have won that shyt if not for stupid calls like that no doubt. This is truth here, most Mavs fans will deny it but officiating was horrible in that series too. I remember CHUCK after one game on TNT where we lost say NBA officials are horrible, period. That still sticks out in my mind.


I forgot about that tech; there were several other officiating problems with that series, and I do remember Chuck mentioning that.

That's another thrown game in that series (in addition to Duncan fouling out when Dirk stepped on his planted foot and Terry fouling Bowen out by jumping backwards into him, along with the game 7 no-call when Dirk hacked Duncan across the forearms at the end of regulation). That whole series was an abomination.

[Jacob1983]

If by some miracle, Stern manned up and said that the 2006 Finals were rigged and that the Mavs would be getting the trophy, I would hope they would request a new clean one. I wouldn't want the Mavs touching that trophy that Wade had touched. No one telling what he did with it.

Finals> 2nd round. Sorry but getting screwed by the refs in the Finals is worse than in the 2nd round. Besides, the Spurs had two championships under the belts in 2006. The Mavs were trying to get their first. And let's not forget that the Spurs had one of the easiest journeys toward an NBA championship in 2007. Sorry Spurs fans but I would say you haven't suffered that much.

[silverblk mystix]

If by some miracle, Stern manned up and said that the 2006 Finals were rigged and that the Mavs would be getting the trophy, I would hope they would request a new clean one. I wouldn't want the Mavs touching that trophy that Wade had touched. No one telling what he did with it.

Finals> 2nd round. Sorry but getting screwed by the refs in the Finals is worse than in the 2nd round. Besides, the Spurs had two championships under the belts in 2006. The Mavs were trying to get their first. And let's not forget that the Spurs had one of the easiest journeys toward an NBA championship in 2007. Sorry Spurs fans but I would say you haven't suffered that much.


Bullshit.

The spurs had been fucked for decades before they climbed the mountain--see the 1979 series vs. the Washington Bullets...

But champions climb the mountain and reach the top...

[Jacob1983]

You're honestly going to say that the Spurs franchise has suffered more than the Mavs franchise? Your team has won 4 championships since 1999.

[dbreiden83080]

no, just dumbasses

It's okay to admit you got your ass kicked in High School

There are support groups.. :lol

[Pelicans78]

Refs cost the Pistons Game 7 against the Spurs. Ridiculous how quickly Detroit's bigs got in foul trouble. The Pistons were the superior team but got screwed by the refs in game 7.

[silverblk mystix]

You're honestly going to say that the Spurs franchise has suffered more than the Mavs franchise? Your team has won 4 championships since 1999.


Who knows the amount of suffering endured...but I do know that from 1973 to 1998...every year was a failure...every year the season would end and we could only wish for next season. Maybe next year we can win it all...

1973 through 1998...year after year of believing and wishing and hoping and always seeing someone else win it all...

1999 was sweet...only to hear assholes like PJ talk about *'s

since 1999 I believe the spurs have more than deserved their titles...

without 100 million dollar payrolls, gifted lopsided trades, rigged refs, free agent ripoffs, etc...

[jjktkk]

I'm sure fans of every team ,at one time or another, has thought a game or a playoff series was rigged.

[Jacob1983]

Sorry Spurs fans but your team hasn't been screwed in the Finals so you really can't complain. When the Spurs got their first championship, all of that so-called suffering ended. You can't compare the history of the Mavs to the history of the Spurs. That would like comparing the Clippers to the Lakers.

[BoricuaCJA]

The only thing for sure in common for every team is that everyone one of them got screwed by referees in a critical game.

[Beau]

Sorry Spurs fans but your team hasn't been screwed in the Finals so you really can't complain. When the Spurs got their first championship, all of that so-called suffering ended. You can't compare the history of the Mavs to the history of the Spurs. That would like comparing the Clippers to the Lakers.

This defeatist attitude is a plague. As a longtime Spurs fan, I've seen it in ranks.

The Mavs haven't been screwed, they've yet to take what they believe is theirs. Bitch about how the Finals were called all you want but they were called that way to make the game more free-flowing and prevent teams like the Spurs and Pistons from thriving while the more aesthetically pleasing teams faltered.

The Mavs benefited from it against the Spurs. Shit happens. Whatever. All teams need a little good fortune to win a championship, they benefited just enough to win a series against a team where the talent was relatively even.

They then get the Suns - without Amar'e. Once again, a charmed run. I'm sure Suns fans were pissed they finally had the opportunity to get to the Finals and win a championship, without having to see the Spurs, only to have it go by the wayside without Stoudemire in the lineup. Oh-fucking-well. No one apologizes for winning a championship. Mavs move to the Finals.

Who awaits? Maybe the 4th or 5th best team in the league that year, Miami. A team, much like the Mavs, that benefited from the new points of emphasis to allow a more free-flowing game against the Pistons. A team relying on a star who could take advantage of the rules in much the same way Dirk did, just in a very different way - a mismatch is a mismatch is a mismatch.

The Mavs went up 2-0. The Mavs had the Heat on the brink of 3-0. They. Did. Not. Close. The. Deal. Period.

Four consecutive losses, in the Finals, after winning the first two, winning three-fourths of the third, having the MVP, one of the league's highest payrolls, and-they-did-not-get-it-done.

I know why it hurts, I know how rare those opportunities are and how extremely fortunate the Mavs were for that particular run and that it's likely to never happen again - not like that, anyway - but it is what it is. The Mavs didn't take the reins and take what could have been theirs. Such is life. Shit happens.

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[cobbler]

Sorry Spurs fans but your team hasn't been screwed in the Finals so you really can't complain. When the Spurs got their first championship, all of that so-called suffering ended. You can't compare the history of the Mavs to the history of the Spurs. That would like comparing the Clippers to the Lakers.

No. Clippers and Mavs both the same regardless of who you compare them to. Much bigger gap between the Clippers & Lakers than Mavs & Spurs. Like 4 times.

[Beau]

ain't nobody reading that wack ass article about how that shit wasn't rigged when anyone with a brain knows it was

What you talkin bout Negro?

[Beau]

So there were shitty calls. Why did the Mavs put themselves in that position?

They were 2-0, on the verge of 3-0 and then lost four straight. Did the cheat button initiate late in Game 3?

[Beau]

I saw shitty reffing. I saw it in the Spurs-Dallas series and throughout the playoffs. I saw it on a magnified and intensified level in the Finals because it was, well, the Finals.

Wade ripped that shit from the Mavs, using the bullshit point-of-emphasis Stern and the League put into in action and saw to being enforced in the playoffs. When Wade fuckin took it up a notch and going to the cup at will, he got rewarded like a fucking king.

But when Wade started going harder and getting to the line consistently (fair or not), the Mavs never met the challenge, Dirk never met the challenge. If that Dirk had been playing against the Spurs, the player he was after they blew Game 3, there isn't a chance in hell they're in the Finals.

The Heat, Wade, ripped that shit from them. Dirk and the Mavs had every opportunity to overcome that shit. They didn't. You can't fucking blow a 2-0 lead like that, not against an inferior team like that...

[sonic21]

that shit was so rigged. Since then, i'm hoping the mavs will win it all one time before Dirk retires.

[Beau]

Saw the Spurs go through LA twice on their want to championships. They took that shit.

Dallas can't lose that shit. Can't. Shitty officiating or not, the Heat had no business being close enough for bad calls to be the deciding factor, especially when Dirk could have gone right back at Posey and Haslem and Shaq and Mourning and done similar kind of shit.

If they had what it took to be champions that year, they'd be champions.

[LkrFan]

the proof is so blatant that even cyclopses with only one eye can see it, as well as retarded mongloids

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5y8nI1PPYOkAnybody that even tries to defend this shit needs to eat a fat dick. Straight up.

Wade ain't shit without FTAs. I should copyright that.

[Red Hawk #21]

I seriously think some people didn't watch this series, anyone who says Wade was going to the rim all the time in this series is BS-ing. Wade was getting foul calls by flopping every time he shot a jumper or floater. And that's exactly why he ended up shooting 97 freethrows in 6 games.

[Giuseppe]

Anybody that even tries to defend this shit needs to eat a fat dick.

Well, 2b claims Midge is extra partial to cock. He's your man.

[dbreiden83080]

lol winning an nba finals game off a 1 of 1, non shooting foul. he blatantly shoved dirk for what should have been an offensive foul at that.

IF the game is rigged that would mean that Stern instructed the officials to see to it the Heat won the finals. In this day and age good luck keeping that under wraps from the media. And if the NBA is rigged how do the Spurs win 4 titles since 1999 when they pull bad ratings in the finals. Ya think Stern would have taken care of that one too huh? Claiming games are rigged is just another way for fans to complain and make excuses for why there teams sucks..

[hitmanyr2k]

I'm not changing my tune on that series. Mavs choked period. As many free throws as D-Whistle got down the stretch the Mavs also got the same freebies when it mattered. The difference is Wade made his....the Mavs didn't. They choked under the spotlight Karl Malone style and missed those freebies. Hell, one of those games they choked 3 free throws in the last fuckin minute while trying to keep the lead. You think they deserve a championship doing that shit? I don't think so.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Game 5 was the only one I thought where it was just obvious ( ala 2002 G6 WCF)...especially at the end. Can't blame the refs for Games 3,4, and 6 though, imho

[Fpoonsie]

Damn. Those youtube vids. Wow.

I think I've seen a couple a' those before, but I've definitely never seen each one in succession like that. That, uh...sucks.

[D-Wade #3]

I'm not changing my tune on that series. Mavs choked period. As many free throws as D-Whistle got down the stretch the Mavs also got the same freebies when it mattered. The difference is Wade made his....the Mavs didn't. They choked under the spotlight Karl Malone style and missed those freebies. Hell, one of those games they choked 3 free throws in the last fuckin minute while trying to keep the lead. You think they deserve a championship doing that shit? I don't think so.
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[Beau]

wouldn't have gotten the same calls and didn't, it was rigged one way

I don't have a problem with you or any other Mavfan feeling the way y'all do. No bullshit. When you're as fuckin passionate about your team like most of us here are to post on a message board consistently, that's just the way it is. Your team gets wronged or you perceive to be wronged and you feel it as if it was you yourself - plus I felt and experienced plenty of the same shit before the Spurs finally broke through.

But the Spurs had to break through. They had to take that shit. In '03 when the Spurs had to win Game 6 to end the Lakers reign on their home floor - after seeing what happened to Sac the year before in Game 6 and 7 - their star (Duncan) manned up and fuckin punked their ass, leaving nothing in the refs hands. Every fan base outside the Lakers knows how 50-50 or 40-60 calls go when you're playing the Lakers late. You gotta take that shit. Dirk and the Mavs didn't. They had every opportunity - they had a 2 2/3s - 0 lead and couldn't win two of four with a superior team and home-court advantage. That's just real talk.


I'm not changing my tune on that series. Mavs choked period. As many free throws as D-Whistle got down the stretch the Mavs also got the same freebies when it mattered. The difference is Wade made his....the Mavs didn't. They choked under the spotlight Karl Malone style and missed those freebies. Hell, one of those games they choked 3 free throws in the last fuckin minute while trying to keep the lead. You think they deserve a championship doing that shit? I don't think so.

And this is a prime example of why they're not the 2006 champs...

[silverblk mystix]

good to see that some people here see how wade got these calls...

honest laker fans should see that this is how it is when kobe gets all these phantom calls in the playoffs...and gets gifted an extra 10-15 free throws just like that...

no difference.

[Giuseppe]

We took the pickle back in '84. The refs took our pants down and everybody laughed at us.

I have no sympathy now.

[Jacob1983]

Can't we all agree that the Mavs lost because of a combination of bad calls, Wade playing the best 4 games of his career, and the Mavs just flat out playing like shit. I mean seriously, if the Mavs had half-assed it, they still would have won the Finals. But hey that shit is in the past. I hate it that the Mavs lost but that's how it went down. I will admit that a part of me as a Mavs fan and NBA fan died when the Heat "won" game 6.

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