UN approved the no-fly zone...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

When I read news stories that say "Washington approved this"

who exactly do they mean? Which officials?

[Agloco]

When I read news stories that say "Washington approved this"

who exactly do they mean? Which officials?

Perhaps they mean that Washington is in agreement with the provisions?

[DarrinS]

I can see why Hillary hates her job.

[Blake]

I can see why Hillary hates her job.

she does?

[Winehole23]

Sec'y Clinton has signaled her preference not to serve in public office after 2012.

[DarrinS]

she does?


I hate to say this, but she would've been a better leader than Barry. She has more balls.


He's almost completely devoid of leadership qualities.

[Blake]

Sec'y Clinton has signaled her preference not to serve in public office after 2012.

huh....I wasn't aware.

[Winehole23]

I read it on HuffPo.

[Winehole23]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/16/hillary-clinton-obama-cabinet_n_836635.html

[Blake]

I hate to say this, but she would've been a better leader than Barry. She has more balls.

Zing!


He's almost completely devoid of leadership qualities.

eh.

I think having the Clintons back in the White House would have been a good thing for this country, but I can't think of any situations that show Obama to be completely devoid of leadership qualities.

[Winehole23]

Boy I can. What happened to the rule of law, government transparency and bringing the boys home?

[Winehole23]

Obama's been pathetic judging by his own promises.

[Blake]

Obama's been pathetic according to his own promises.

we would need to start into definitions of leadership qualities and what it would mean to be completely devoid of them

[Winehole23]

Obama lied about his own priorities. That's enough for me.

[Winehole23]

Continuity, not change.

[MannyIsGod]

Obama has been extremely pathetic.

[DarrinS]

Is it must me, or does he almost seem invisible lately? He's the most powerful man on Earth, and he almost seems... irrelevant?

[ChumpDumper]

What would you be doing now as president, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

What would you be doing now as president, Darrin?


Duh, winning

[ChumpDumper]

duhok.

[Blake]

Continuity, not change.


Obama has been extremely pathetic.

I don't disagree with those sentiments.

But in every situation brought forth, I bet I can find one example of a leadership quality.

I'd rather not play that game though, tbh.

[Blake]

Is it must me, or does he almost seem invisible lately?

Is it must you?


Obama the invisible

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/obama_the_invisible_Ass40MBstf15MAr9DYAORK

[coyotes_geek]

Obama isn't looking to lead, he's looking to be liked. He's a shitty president who's in over his head. He doesn't know what to do other than follow the example set by his predecessor, who unfortunately for us, was a shitty president.

[Winehole23]

I'd rather not play that game though, tbh.Why not?

[Blake]

Why not?

I'm confident I can find one leadership skill in any scenario presented so I would gain no education out of it in that regard.

I also foresee the entertainment value of such a game to be rather low.

[Winehole23]

Obama's a good leader in your opinion?

[Spurminator]

Obama's been mailing it in since his HC vision was bastardized.

[baseline bum]

Obama's been mailing it in since his November 5th, 2008.

fify

[ducks]

usa should not do anything tell japan forgives the usa debt

[ferg]

obamas presidency failed when he spouted off about closing gitmo before he had a plan about what he was gonna do with all the detainees there. that was what, his first day in office when he was signing that legislation to close it?

[MannyIsGod]

So are we going to be the ones stuck patrolling this or will the French and Euros do it?

[boutons_deux]

Libya announced cessation of aggression in the past couple hours.

Sounds like FR and UK, both big consumers of Libyan carbon stuff, gonna lead the work.

Now to arm and support the Libyan rebels.

Then on to Bahrain, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, ...

[MannyIsGod]

Also, what I was reading this morning seems to think that the military thinks that a no fly zone will not be enough to turn the tide. If its not going to be enough and Qadaffi wins anyway, what the fuck was the point other than making us look stupid as shit?

[cheguevara]

flex a little muscle.

Too little too late? Maybe. But at least airforce will get to stretch their legs.

[Cry Havoc]

It only took them a week or two to decide that bombing civilians and rebels from jets was a bad move.

Go go UN powers go!

[hater]

Is it must me, or does he almost seem invisible lately? He's the most powerful man on Earth, and he almost seems... irrelevant?




Obama isn't looking to lead, he's looking to be liked. He's a shitty president who's in over his head. He doesn't know what to do other than follow the example set by his predecessor, who unfortunately for us, was a shitty president.



Also, what I was reading this morning seems to think that the military thinks that a no fly zone will not be enough to turn the tide. If its not going to be enough and Qadaffi wins anyway, what the fuck was the point other than making us look stupid as shit?


oops. Seems like Obamacare worked

Libya announced a "immediate" cease-fire and a halt to military action Friday, hours after the U.N. Security Council authorized the use of force to protect besieged civilians in Libya.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/18/libya.civil.war/index.html?hpt=C1

[Winehole23]

The lion's share of credit probably goes to the Sec'y of State on this one.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

This motherfucker accuses the Japanese government of lying for a week then immediately believes the Libyan government. Classic.

[hater]

another thing, when the fuck is France on board with us. This is unbelievable. France is ready to roll with the US in a war.

you can call it all you want but this strategizing by Obamacare has not failed yet in my book.

[coyotes_geek]

oops. Seems like Obamacare worked


Did it? Pretty sure the cease fire doesn't include Gaddafi's resignation. While it's a good thing that he's not going to be bombing his own people anymore, he's still in power. So what really got accomplished here?

[hater]

Did it? Pretty sure the cease fire doesn't include Gaddafi's resignation. While it's a good thing that he's not going to be bombing his own people anymore, he's still in power. So what really got accomplished here?

prevention or at least delay of a bloddy massacre?

[MannyIsGod]

People are actually buying into the cease fire? That shit isn't going to last and I think we all know it. Qadaffi is definitely going to test that no fly zone too. I don't buy for a second he's just going to curl up into the fetal.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol

This motherfucker accuses the Japanese government of lying for a week then immediately believes the Libyan government. Classic.

What option do they have? Other than a full-scale invasion/incursion into Libya?

[boutons_deux]

There's a lot more complexities here than just bomb-Libya.

Why not Yemen and Bahrain, too? Those dictators are both killing their demonstrators. How to choose? Does the war on Libya encourage Bahrain and Yemen to keep going?

Remember how Poppie Bush encouraged the marsh Shiites to rise up against Saddam, then Poppie did nothing as Saddam slaughtered them and drained their marshes.

[hater]

Ghadafi knows his army is broken to even put up a little fight vs. a real army. He was just bullying his citizens.

Obamacare called his bluff.

[hater]

There's a lot more complexities here than just bomb-Libya.

Why not Yemen and Bahrain, too? Those dictators are both killing their demonstrators.

totally different. Bahrain and Yemen kings have backing of Bush family best friends the Saudis. Plus they are not about to commit mass murder on women and children.

[coyotes_geek]

Ghadafi knows his army is broken to even put up a little fight vs. a real army. He was just bullying his citizens.

Obamacare called his bluff.

France and England called his bluff. Obama just followed their lead.

Plus, we're still left with the question "now what"?

[Cry Havoc]

France and England called his bluff. Obama just followed their lead.

IMO, it's nice to see America not being first to rush to the battlelines halfway around the world for a change. Let someone else lead and police the middle east for a while, we don't have the scratch for it.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I have been fine with the united states just sitting back on this one. Now i don't know what to think.

[CosmicCowboy]

We won't do anything now that there is a "cease fire"

When you call a no fly zone the first thing you do is bring in the B2's and knock out all their air defenses.

That ain't happening now...

[coyotes_geek]

I have been fine with the united states just sitting back on this one. Now i don't know what to think.

We do find ourselves in a pretty awkward situation now. We've been telling Gaddafi that he's got to go, and now there's a cease fire. Does Gaddafi still have to go? Or are we content with the cease fire and just turn the other cheek while Libya goes back to "the good old days"?

[MannyIsGod]

Did the resolution say anything about ousting him? Such a cluster fuck. Wish we could just mind our own fucking business for awhile.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Clinton reminding us me her true colors on this one too. You could practically hear her panties getting wet over the possibility of a military intervention.

[boutons_deux]

yep, Hillary is real hard-ass hawk, I guess trying to prove her NatSec credentials as not being soft on enemies.

[hater]

Clinton reminding us me her true colors on this one too. You could practically hear her panties getting wet over the possibility of a military intervention.

meh, as opposed to the yellow discharge on Rummy, Dick and Rovvy's collective panties.

[RandomGuy]

Also, what I was reading this morning seems to think that the military thinks that a no fly zone will not be enough to turn the tide. If its not going to be enough and Qadaffi wins anyway, what the fuck was the point other than making us look stupid as shit?

A simple no fly zone would not do it, although I am not entirely convinced.

From what I heard they were contemplating a *bit* more than that.

Qadaffi backed off to try and buy some time and peace.

I think his hold on power is far more tenuous than is widely assumed. He has some loyalty from his army, but many will fight only so long as they get paid, and that is not the kind of solid loyalty that stands up very long under fire.