Bonner apologists, please explain

[SenorSpur]

He should be worried - and so should coaches, teammates and fans.

[4>0rings]

I would like every Bonner apologist to be at the next GTG.












That is all.

[Cessation]

Bonner is just posing.

[SenorSpur]

And now the sound of crickets....

[ElNono]

Any word on his defensive slump?

[jjktkk]

Any word on his defensive slump?

:lol

[Sean Cagney]

Hit the link for the whole piece.



http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/03/24/bonner-not-worried-about-shooting-slump/

Yep and he will keep on missing, and some idiots will still back him and say they won arguments when he is missing because of his % overall this year, not what he did later or in the playoffs! It's his % that counts!

I could shoot 6-6 all game, when the game is on the line though do I have the heart or will I miss it and curl up? Some have that IT some don't, he does not IMO. Until that bozo proves me wrong he is what he is, a soft ass choker later in the year and a horrible defender.

[Mavillionaire]

Hit the link for the whole piece.



http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/03/24/bonner-not-worried-about-shooting-slump/
Of course Bonner's not worried. He's got 4 more years on his contract.

[Cessation]

Any word on his defensive slump?

lol

[moisaenz]

If Bonner misses two 3's in a row... bring novak in....

[Sean Cagney]

If Bonner misses two 3's in a row... bring novak in....

Don't worry thats a given, yet POOP will play him for 20 plus mins for whatever else is he does sides hit a shot or two :lol:lol

[chazley]

Bonner=opponents make a run

Yea, Bonner's adjusted +/- stats really show this. Great statement.

[chazley]

No offense but how can you be a Bonner backer and dominate someone? Whats your proof his % for half the year or so? Okay we know that, it's been that way! What about his D or his later in the year %, nobody can argue that and that is the TRUTH! He does this yearly.

BTW you don't need to lose a bonner argument, if you back him and argue him thats a loss there in itself, the proof is there and started already and there is no arguing it! It's an L in itself to argue him to others like he is good.

Argue him sucking later in the year % wise and the playoffs, argue he is a good rebounder or good on D! I dare that there! If he is not hitting what does he do exactly? Seriously what is he good for if he is not hitting? He has not been lately and years past as well against great teams late and the playoffs. Bonner is what he is, thats what he is.

Bonner is a role player. If Tony/Manu/Tim aren't giving him open looks off dribble drives/pick and pops/Tim being double teamed, he's gonna suck. Period.

This way the case in the last two playoffs, except for the PHX series where he was solid.

In 2009, Manu was out and Tim was hurt. Dallas defensive game plan? Let Tony go off. Which means? Stay at home on the shooters. Tim was hurt, and even though he had a good series, he wasn't Tim Duncan. Without the third scoring option, Bonner/Mason/Finley were hapless to put up points.

In 2010, Tony was coming off an injury and wasn't himself in the first round. Dallas stubbornly tried the same strategy, and we WOOPED them. The fact they RESPECTED the shot of guys like Bonner was the reason guys like George/Tim/Manu had big games. When we can make teams pay for staying home on shooters, our offense runs very nicely. This is why Bonner is key: Not because he is making shots, it's because the opponent respects his shot so much. I don't have the numbers, but go back and look at the +/- for that series and I will put money on it that Bonner was at least top 5 in that series.

[Sean Cagney]

Bonner is a role player. If Tony/Manu/Tim aren't giving him open looks off dribble drives/pick and pops/Tim being double teamed, he's gonna suck. Period.

This way the case in the last two playoffs, except for the PHX series where he was solid.

In 2009, Manu was out and Tim was hurt. Dallas defensive game plan? Let Tony go off. Which means? Stay at home on the shooters. Tim was hurt, and even though he had a good series, he wasn't Tim Duncan. Without the third scoring option, Bonner/Mason/Finley were hapless to put up points.

In 2010, Tony was coming off an injury and wasn't himself in the first round. Dallas stubbornly tried the same strategy, and we WOOPED them. The fact they RESPECTED the shot of guys like Bonner was the reason guys like George/Tim/Manu had big games. When we can make teams pay for staying home on shooters, our offense runs very nicely. This is why Bonner is key: Not because he is making shots, it's because the opponent respects his shot so much. I don't have the numbers, but go back and look at the +/- for that series and I will put money on it that Bonner was at least top 5 in that series.

Yeah I am sure that Bonner is the reason they had big games last year in the playoffs :lol:lol:rollin. He was the reason! Yes he was! Top 5 in that series, okay Tim, Manu, Hill, Parker and Blair who actually played good in that series! So thats #6 for Bonner, what were his stats? I remember Dyess to late in game 6 hitting shots, Bonner? What did he do in that series there? Stretch the floor for them? Was his out there on D? Did he board alot? He might have hit a shot or two, but the forementioned were alot bigger in that series than he was, period. We did not beat Dallas because of him, it was Hill namely who helped us, big three in the first few games, then Hill etc. Bonner was not much to be found.

YEp 0-1 and 0-3 threes in PHX was solid! Yes 3-4 in one game to even it up some but damn he was solid there? HAHAHA okay. yeah 2-3 in game 4, okay the last two, but the first two o fors is not solid! thats what he can do, hit a few in a game where it is over, not when it counts! He has a game here and there, but overall he just sucks in the playoffs and you can't deny that. Why do you guys like this piece of shyt? He is horrible on D and boards and if his shot is not falling he is horrible! Black hole out there.


I still don't get why you guys want him out there alot like he will make a difference, sure he is on this team, but all in all I wish he were not, he does more harm than good in the end, period. He is a role player yes he gets too many mins as well in bad games and gets burned and misses threes too when it counts, he has never hit a big shot here late in the year as far as I know.

[chazley]

Yeah I am sure that Bonner is the reason they had big games last year in the playoffs :lol:lol:rollin. He was the reason! Yes he was! Top 5 in that series, okay Tim, Manu, Hill, Parker and Blair who actually played good in that series! So thats #6 for Bonner, what were his stats? I remember Dyess to late in game 6 hitting shots, Bonner? What did he do in that series there? Stretch the floor for them? Was his out there on D? Did he board alot? He might have hit a shot or two, but the forementioned were alot bigger in that series than he was, period. We did not beat Dallas because of him, it was Hill namely who helped us, big three in the first few games, then Hill etc. Bonner was not much to be found.

YEp 0-1 and 0-3 threes in PHX was solid! Yes 3-4 in one game to even it up some but damn he was solid there? HAHAHA okay. yeah 2-3 in game 4, okay the last two, but the first two o fors is not solid! thats what he can do, hit a few in a game where it is over, not when it counts! He has a game here and there, but overall he just sucks in the playoffs and you can't deny that.

So in our two biggest games of last season (game 3/4 of PHX series), he came up big. Gee, what a choker that guy is.

[Sean Cagney]

So in our two biggest games of last season (game 3/4 of PHX series), he came up big. Gee, what a choker that guy is.

LMFAO two games outta how many last year in the playoffs? He hit how many threes maybe 4 or 5? Some hit that in one game, more than that! Big shooters do like Horry in game 5, he hit 5 of them! Finley hit 8 in one game or near that! Thats Bonners whole playoff run in one game!

BTW our biggest games last year were against Dallas and you know it, our rivals! Where was he in that series there? I point out series and you point out two games in this bozos career where he hit some threes! WOW how many points did he give up that game on D? How many boards? Yes he hit a few threes late in one series, that means he is clutch now? Come on bro this dude is no Horry or so on, hell he is not Finley even, he is a role player who is not very good all round.

BTW you keep him out there in the playoffs again and count on him, see what he brings you, you will be out in a few rounds and he will dissapear again and you know it! Hell he has started it already. 7-31 threes since Miami, he is horrible late in the year, period.

[Sean Cagney]

BTW this dude is a piece role player why are we talking him so much? I hate when he is missing and gets mins yes but he is not gonna make or break this team this year from a title unless he gets too many mins gainst the wrong team when off! Otherwise he is a spot man! A 7th man or so! Which is where he needs to be! If Pop plays him too much yeah he is not great, but if he plays him right he is okay I guess!

Why the arguments like this dude is a huge difference maker in a series when he is not? He is a okay role player when used right, nothing more or less! What else do we want or expect?

[chazley]

LMFAO two games outta how many last year in the playoffs? He hit how many threes maybe 4 or 5? Some hit that in one game, more than that! Big shooters do like Horry in game 5, he hit 5 of them! Finley hit 8 in one game or near that! Thats Bonners whole playoff run in one game!

BTW our biggest games last year were against Dallas and you know it, our rivals! Where was he in that series there? I point out series and you point out two games in this bozos career where he hit some threes! WOW how many points did he give up that game on D? How many boards? Yes he hit a few threes late in one series, that means he is clutch now? Come on bro this dude is no Horry or so on, hell he is not Finley even, he is a role player who is not very good all round.

BTW you keep him out there in the playoffs again and count on him, see what he brings you, you will be out in a few rounds and he will dissapear again and you know it! Hell he has started it already. 7-31 threes since Miami, he is horrible late in the year, period.

Rofl, did I compare him to Horry or even Finley? Stop making shit up to make your argument sound better. If you want to quote the last 9-10 games and not include the other 60+, that just makes you dumb. In fact, you add just the Miami game before this 'shooting slump', and he would be 13-38 his last 10 games. You can throw around small samples to make your argument look good, but only idiots/dumbasses take you seriously.

[Sean Cagney]

Rofl, did I compare him to Horry or even Finley? Stop making shit up to make your argument sound better. If you want to quote the last 9-10 games and not include the other 60+, that just makes you dumb. In fact, you add just the Miami game before this 'shooting slump', and he would be 13-38 his last 10 games. You can throw around small samples to make your argument look good, but only idiots/dumbasses take you seriously.

I said later in the year he fades, and he does seem to! FUK the first 60 games as is they make a difference now! What was our record without this guy this year man? I remember pretty damn good huh? Without his threes our record was good huh? Could his D and boards cancel out his few threes, hmmmmmmmm. Look up our record without him this year, it was great.


Tell me what you gotta say about us without him this year, that makes you look pretty dumb huh? :rollin:rollin Infact we did NOT MISS a beat! NOPE. You point out what you want, but you know mine and others arguments are very good there, yet you point out the first 60 games like we give a shyt now. Only idiots take bonner seriously here, most hate that dude, period. You gotta be him or his brother or wifey I swear.

[Sean Cagney]

Coincidence his slumps happen late in the year as well when it matters, put up his late year stats from SA since he came from the last 10 games to the playoffs from 07-11 on, I dare! he fades after the first half of the year, some have it some do not he does not and it shows! He is a role player who gets too many mins, period end of story, so dummy that there.


BTW we were great without him this year I must add again, weren't we? Look up the record, guess we missed his threes then.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't care if he misses shots. NOBODY SHOULD CARE IF HE MISSES SHOTS. You guys are missing the bigger picture here, folks.

Bonner doesn't hurt the team by missing three pointers. There's probably not any point at which he will hurt the team by missing three pointers. He still has about the same value whether or not he's hitting.

The problem is when the other team isolates on him and abuses him and he's not taken out. Shawn Marion scored 15 points on him in the first half before getting hurt, and Harrington looked like Lamarcus Aldridge with Bonner covering him.

[Ice009]

I don't care if he misses shots. NOBODY SHOULD CARE IF HE MISSES SHOTS. You guys are missing the bigger picture here, folks.

Bonner doesn't hurt the team by missing three pointers. There's probably not any point at which he will hurt the team by missing three pointers. He still has about the same value whether or not he's hitting.

The problem is when the other team isolates on him and abuses him and he's not taken out. Shawn Marion scored 15 points on him in the first half before getting hurt, and Harrington looked like Lamarcus Aldridge with Bonner covering him.

This statement should be on a sign at the game for Pop to read.

Although, I also think it is a double whammy when Bonner misses the shot because that is 0 points for the Spurs that possession, and most likely 2-3 points for whoever Bonner is guarding.

[ElNono]

Yea, Bonner's adjusted +/- stats really show this.

Bonner adjusted +/- shows he normally plays with the better teammates.


So in our two biggest games of last season (game 3/4 of PHX series), he came up big. Gee, what a choker that guy is.

I would say our two biggest games in the playoffs last season were the win in Dallas and the closeout game in San Antonio...

As far as 'coming up big', he scored 24 points from downtown in both games combined, seeing almost 50 minutes of action. That's was expected for a role player like him, but far from 'big'.

[ElNono]

I don't care if he misses shots. NOBODY SHOULD CARE IF HE MISSES SHOTS. You guys are missing the bigger picture here, folks.

Bonner doesn't hurt the team by missing three pointers. There's probably not any point at which he will hurt the team by missing three pointers. He still has about the same value whether or not he's hitting.

The problem is when the other team isolates on him and abuses him and he's not taken out. Shawn Marion scored 15 points on him in the first half before getting hurt, and Harrington looked like Lamarcus Aldridge with Bonner covering him.

While I do agree that his defensive woes are more important than his offense, I would disagree that it doesn't matter when he misses.
One of the main reasons he's out there is to 'stretch the floor', and a lot of our offense relies on that stretching. If he's not hitting, then he's not stretching the floor, thus it complicates our offense.

Dice and his money jumper stretches the floor too.

That said, there's no reason why the 4 needs to be the guy that stretches the floor. As I said many times, I would rather have a legit 4 and 5, and play Bonner at the wing if needed be. He's tall and mobile, but he wouldn't be in the last line of defense.

[Obstructed_View]

While I do agree that his defensive woes are more important than his offense, I would disagree that it doesn't matter when he misses.
One of the main reasons he's out there is to 'stretch the floor', and a lot of our offense relies on that stretching. If he's not hitting, then he's not stretching the floor, thus it complicates our offense.

Dice and his money jumper stretches the floor too.

That said, there's no reason why the 4 needs to be the guy that stretches the floor. As I said many times, I would rather have a legit 4 and 5, and play Bonner at the wing if needed be. He's tall and mobile, but he wouldn't be in the last line of defense.

Agreed on all points. Let me clarify: If Bonner never hits another shot, he obviously has no value, but we all know he's going to hit 40-50% of his shots, and as long as he's doing that, how he shoots in a short stretch makes no difference to his value from a spreading-the-floor standpoint. If he's not a defensive liability, the points from his makes aren't even as big a need.

I was one of the first people to suggest Bonner play small forward. He's not going to be abused on defense any more than he has been as a power forward and a center, with the difference being that he has shot blockers to back him up if and when someone gets past him. The bonus is that he creates a mismatch with his size and still spreads the floor. The best part is that he becomes a situational substitution instead of a rotation player.

If Pop loves the Bonner/Blair combo so much, put them in the game with Manu, Parker, and Duncan.

[silverblk mystix]

Agreed on all points. Let me clarify: If Bonner never hits another shot, he obviously has no value, but we all know he's going to hit 40-50% of his shots, and as long as he's doing that, how he shoots in a short stretch makes no difference to his value from a spreading-the-floor standpoint. If he's not a defensive liability, the points from his makes aren't even as big a need.

I was one of the first people to suggest Bonner play small forward. He's not going to be abused on defense any more than he has been as a power forward and a center, with the difference being that he has shot blockers to back him up if and when someone gets past him. The bonus is that he creates a mismatch with his size and still spreads the floor. The best part is that he becomes a situational substitution instead of a rotation player.

If Pop loves the Bonner/Blair combo so much, put them in the game with Manu, Parker, and Duncan.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned it this;

Bonner shoots the ball almost like a shotput...he shoots it from his hip...this is why defensive teams make him useless when it counts...

during the regular season...the game is loose and the spurs can run and spread the floor and Bonner can have WIDE OPEN LOOKS...

During the playoffs...ANY defender can just run hard at Bonner and he won't shoot it because his release is so low that it can be blocked...this is why Bonner resorts to putting the ball on the floor and dribbling around looking for Manu or TP to bail him out...

When he DOES shoot it...he is uncomfortable because his release is hurried and the defender is very near...so Bonner's % will nosedive as it always does in pressure situations...

Look at Neal...a ROOKIE...

A ROOKIE!!!!

He somehow has OBTAINED the required "corporate knowledge"...and somehow ...he just makes shots...pressure or no pressure...and if he is having an off-night...he continues to play with "balls"...he doesn't shrink when he is needed...A ROOKIE!

How many fuckin' years until Bonner stops playing like a rookie in the playoffs?????

And Bonner's defense? :lmao:lmao

Don't even get me started on that shit...

[DrSteffo]

Agreed on all points. Let me clarify: If Bonner never hits another shot, he obviously has no value, but we all know he's going to hit 40-50% of his shots, and as long as he's doing that, how he shoots in a short stretch makes no difference to his value from a spreading-the-floor standpoint. If he's not a defensive liability, the points from his makes aren't even as big a need.

I was one of the first people to suggest Bonner play small forward. He's not going to be abused on defense any more than he has been as a power forward and a center, with the difference being that he has shot blockers to back him up if and when someone gets past him. The bonus is that he creates a mismatch with his size and still spreads the floor. The best part is that he becomes a situational substitution instead of a rotation player.

If Pop loves the Bonner/Blair combo so much, put them in the game with Manu, Parker, and Duncan.

Agreed. I guess they don't think he can defend SFs but then again he cannot defend 4s either.

[rmt]

Agreed. I guess they don't think he can defend SFs but then again he cannot defend 4s either.

Well, SFs like Marion and Diaw salivate at taking him down in the post. Shooting 4s like Harrington and Frye burn him at the 3pt line and post 4s like Randolph, Gasol, etc just shoot over him. Everybody abuses him.

On offense, anybody (even a PG) can run him off the line because of his weird release so I don't necessarily see how he's spreading the floor.

[Sean Cagney]

I don't care if he misses shots. NOBODY SHOULD CARE IF HE MISSES SHOTS. You guys are missing the bigger picture here, folks.

Bonner doesn't hurt the team by missing three pointers. There's probably not any point at which he will hurt the team by missing three pointers. He still has about the same value whether or not he's hitting.

The problem is when the other team isolates on him and abuses him and he's not taken out. Shawn Marion scored 15 points on him in the first half before getting hurt, and Harrington looked like Lamarcus Aldridge with Bonner covering him.

So he is a black hole out there when he is not hitting his threes and they iso him! So I agree why is he out there if not hitting? If he is off he sure is hurting us, giving up those point and not getting any points and he needs to be yanked immediately then.


I am not a fan of this guy, I think he fades late in the year and as you said he sucks when they back him down and shoot over him at will! He is not a great rebounder either for his size. If his shot is on cool leave him in there, if not PULL HIM POOP.


It's a shame we have to have a guy on the team who we treat like a special kid and look at a few little things he does and try to overlook the point he sucks at most things :rollin:rollin, but hey Pop loves him and signed him for longer and we have to deal with it.

[Chomag]

Agreed on all points. Let me clarify: If Bonner never hits another shot, he obviously has no value, but we all know he's going to hit 40-50% of his shots, and as long as he's doing that, how he shoots in a short stretch makes no difference to his value from a spreading-the-floor standpoint. If he's not a defensive liability, the points from his makes aren't even as big a need.

I was one of the first people to suggest Bonner play small forward. He's not going to be abused on defense any more than he has been as a power forward and a center, with the difference being that he has shot blockers to back him up if and when someone gets past him. The bonus is that he creates a mismatch with his size and still spreads the floor. The best part is that he becomes a situational substitution instead of a rotation player.

If Pop loves the Bonner/Blair combo so much, put them in the game with Manu, Parker, and Duncan.

He should just stay down at the offencive end when he is in. :lol I'm kidding of course.

[chazley]

Bonner adjusted +/- shows he normally plays with the better teammates.

Seriously... you said opponents start making runs as soon as he enters the game. The FACT is, it's the opposite. His +/- per 48 minutes is third best on the team.

Some people, so fucking clueless but talk down at people like they know what they're saying.

[DesignatedT]

The "other team makes a run when Bonner is in the game" is definitely flawed. It isn't true but I expect people just start paying more attention once he enters or something. Not that he is doing anything to prevent others from making a run because he isn't but he it isn't like he is that much of a liability on that end like most people make him out to be.

[Hooks]

The "other team makes a run when Bonner is in the game" is definitely flawed. It isn't true but I expect people just start paying more attention once he enters or something. Not that he is doing anything to prevent others from making a run because he isn't but he it isn't like he is that much of a liability on that end like most people make him out to be.


Yes it is, are you even watching the damn games?


I'm watching the Portland game right now and it's already happening lmao.

Bonner comes in, B Roy immediately drives it in, makes a layup and draws the foul on Bonner=3pt play (Bonner didn't even try to block it)

Bonner's late on 2 rotations=2 wide open 3's for Wallace

Wallace crosses him up and nails a jump shot off the backboard over Bonner=2pts

How many minutes has Bonner played? 7. The points they scored against him were within 5 mins, that's 11 points in just 5 minutes, holy shit.

Against Miami? Bosh scores 3 times in a row vs Bonner=6pts, the next play Bonner has to rotate to LBJ or else he's going to get a wide open 3, dude goes flying in the air falling for his pump fake which lead to a wide open jump shot=2pts, the play after that D-Wade drives it in against Bonner, Bonner stands there like a dumb ass and picks up a foul instead of drawing an easy charge=2pts. That's 10 points scored on just Bonner in around 5 minutes on 5 consecutive plays.


You saw what happened with him and Marion, our 10pt lead was erased in a matter of minutes just like yesterday vs Denver. I know you saw Harrington raping Bonner.


The list goes on and on and on and on, you can't make this shit up.