I'm About To Bust It Wide Open

[Koolaid_Man]

MJ won EASY because he had it easyPERIOD...


You "Stat" guys that say Kobe depended on Shaq let me fuck up your world for a minute...:lol Say goodbye to the whole argument that Kobe needed Shaq. If he did then Pippen was a wet titty for MJ... Put your big girl panties on and deal with it..:lol

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Kobe without Shaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month

[Axe Murderer]

what do Kobe's stats look like without Gasol?

And lol at including Wizards Jordan in your argument

[Koolaid_Man]

what do Kobe's stats look like without Gasol?

And lol at including Wizards Jordan in your argument


say what you want but you can't have it both ways and this is before his wizards career. :lol

[Michael Jackson...]

Don't be ignorant, you're just butthurt

[JayTheClown]

Look at this little pussy
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SEfbjzz5XBI/AAAAAAAAAik/PiC0th8Jrus/s400/kobe_jordan_254_020612.jpg

[Giuseppe]

Kool Aid Man

[LnGrrrR]

Jordan without Pippen... hm... I seem to remember there were two decent teams in the 80's he may have come up against...

If only I could remember...

[Koolaid_Man]

it doesn't matter we all wanted to be like Mike at some point...it was a catchy fucking tune....lol

[Axe Murderer]

this is before his wizards career. :lol

sure about that brah?


Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

[Reck]

Your point is moot.

Kobe didn't win shit without Shaq and wouldn't had won shit without Gasol so yeah, your whole Jordan-Bryant stat is useless.

[Koolaid_Man]

Jordan without Pippen... hm... I seem to remember there were two decent teams in the 80's he may have come up against...

If only I could remember...


Gasol (unlike Pippen) never once came to within a game of the finals by himself no less twice, and Pippen (unlike Kobe) never went back to back without MJ. You see what I’ve just done boys and girls…Sure, Kobe played with Shaq during the first 3 peat, but last time I checked Shaq couldn't win until Kobe arrived ( in the metaphysical sense) :lol

Shaq and Kobe both were considered the two best players in the league. Where Shaq couldn’t get it done… Kobe did and vice versa. Remember during the first 3-peat you could game plan around and stop Shaq but Kobe couldn’t be stopped by no one..just ask the Spurs. Lol

Again MJ won easy because he had it easyPERIOD.

Especially during the 90’s. In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out.

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime.. His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d look ALL-World defender too. Lol


MJ's Main Competition:



John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_, Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc….



Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Kobe's Main Compeition:


Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.


The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen. This should put an end to it all really:

[Koolaid_Man]

sure about that brah?


as sure as I want to be....:lol

[mardigan]

Christian Laetner? How fucking stupid can you get you dumb cunt?

[Silver&Black]

Here's the point:

At one point in time.... SHAQ>KOBE (even you must admit that...Kobes 1st 3 rings)

At NO point in time..... PIPPEN>MJ (not for one season..not for one game...PERIOD)


Do you remeber Kobe losing to the Suns every year in the 1st round??? Cause I sure do. Not like he's not subject to bad years either. UNTIL he got gasol (1 of the best big men in the game) and 2 other 7 footers.....even the great Kobe Bean Bryant lost games.

Don't get me wrong...Kobe=one of the best EVER!!! But your arguement is 100% ludicris.

Greatest Basketball Players of All Time:
1. Michael Jeffrey Jordan
2-INFINITY. A bunch of guys not named Michael Jeffrey Jordan

[JayTheClown]

Gasol (unlike Pippen) never once came to within a game of the finals by himself no less twice, and Pippen (unlike Kobe) never went back to back without MJ. You see what I’ve just done boys and girls…Sure, Kobe played with Shaq during the first 3 peat, but last time I checked Shaq couldn't win until Kobe arrived ( in the metaphysical sense) :lol

Shaq and Kobe both were considered the two best players in the league. Where Shaq couldn’t get it done… Kobe did and vice versa. Remember during the first 3-peat you could game plan around and stop Shaq but Kobe couldn’t be stopped by no one..just ask the Spurs. Lol

Again MJ won easy because he had it easyPERIOD.

Especially during the 90’s. In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out.

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime.. His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d look ALL-World defender too. Lol


MJ's Main Competition:



John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_, Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc….



Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Kobe's Main Compeition:


Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.


The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen. This should put an end to it all really:

I like how you forgot to include the likes of Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Allen Houston, Anfernee Hardaway, etc...

[mardigan]

Yea those Laettner-Jordan matchups were fucking classics.

[Michael Jackson...]

He is effectively trolling, b/c there is no way a human being can be this goddamn stupid

[LnGrrrR]

:lol

I guess MJ never played against Isiah Thomas?

And saying Shaq could be "game planned" around during the first three-peat. Nice to know you started watching basketball in 2005. :toast

[Koolaid_Man]

I like how you forgot to include the likes of Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Allen Houston, Anfernee Hardaway, etc...


Hey listen numnuts I said his position or either gaurd position...I could name a slew of other players that Kobe played against from MJ's era too...the point is direct competition....MJ had it easyPeriod....last time I checked he never had to gaurd a D Wade, Lebron, AI, Ray Allen, Paul Pierece, Durant to name a few...

Fucking Craig Ehlo, John Starks, and Mark fucking Price...get the fuck outta here with that BS...Kobe would have torched MJ's compeition...:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol

I guess MJ never played against Isiah Thomas?

And saying Shaq could be "game planned" around during the first three-peat. Nice to know you started watching basketball in 2005. :toast


re-read my post...He lost repeatedly didn't beat the Pistons until they were pretty much done...He couldn't beat them in their Prime...

[mardigan]

Hey listen numnuts I said his position or either gaurd position...I could name a slew of other players that Kobe played against from MJ's era too...the point is direct competition....MJ had it easyPeriod....last time I checked he never had to gaurd a D Wade, Lebron, AI, Ray Allen, Paul Pierece, Durant to name a few...

Fucking Craig Ehlo, John Starks, and Mark fucking Price...get the fuck outta here with that BS...Kobe would have torched MJ's compeition...:lol

Yea Laettner was probably one of the better guards around in the NBA at that time. He was silky smooth.

[Koolaid_Man]

He is effectively trolling, b/c there is no way a human being can be this goddamn stupid


hello midget....

[mardigan]

Fucking Craig Ehlo, John Starks, and Mark fucking Price...get the fuck outta here with that BS...Kobe would have torched MJ's compeition...:lol

Wanna bet 5 bills on it?

[Koolaid_Man]

listen none of you clowns can legitimately prove me worng...If so I'd like to hear it...MJ was a great player like I said but greatest I'm not buying that shit the media is selling...I'm not on the wagon with the masses...MJ had it easyPeriod...say it with me...MJ had it easyPERIOD....no refuting that...

[mardigan]

listen none of you clowns can legitimately prove me worng...If so I'd like to hear it...MJ was a great player like I said but greatest I'm not buying that shit the media is selling...I'm not on the wagon with the masses...MJ had it easyPeriod...say it with me...MJ had it easyPERIOD....no refuting that...

Hey
dumb cunt
wanna bet some money on it?
Or do you just like smearing your stinky smegma laced twat all over this board just so you can smell it?

[Venti Quattro]

You already have $500?

[z0sa]

lol clearly copied and pasted because you're far too stupid to analyze

[JayTheClown]

Hey listen numnuts I said his position or either gaurd position...I could name a slew of other players that Kobe played against from MJ's era too...the point is direct competition....MJ had it easyPeriod....last time I checked he never had to gaurd a D Wade, Lebron, AI, Ray Allen, Paul Pierece, Durant to name a few...

Fucking Craig Ehlo, John Starks, and Mark fucking Price...get the fuck outta here with that BS...Kobe would have torched MJ's compeition...:lol

What the fuck does it matter if Jordan had to guard them or not. Those players I named were the primary scorers and defenders on their teams. Jordan had to play those teams. So what that those teams sent out a Mookie Blaylock:lol to guard him.

[mardigan]

Lol Christian Laettner

[LnGrrrR]

re-read my post...He lost repeatedly didn't beat the Pistons until they were pretty much done...He couldn't beat them in their Prime...

You were talking about guard competition. Isiah was guard competition.

And yes, the competition in the 80's was fierce. That was kinda my point. Jordan couldn't break though until Bird/Magic got old.

Kinda like how Kobe couldn't break through until Jordan got old.

[Koolaid_Man]

Hey
dumb cunt
wanna bet some money on it?
Or do you just like smearing your stinky smegma laced twat all over this board just so you can smell it?

so what are we gonna do..travel back in a time machine...calm your nerves sweet heart...this is my world...you just a squirrel trying to get a nut...:lol

[Silver&Black]

listen none of you clowns can legitimately prove me worng...If so I'd like to hear it...MJ was a great player like I said but greatest I'm not buying that shit the media is selling...I'm not on the wagon with the masses...MJ had it easyPeriod...say it with me...MJ had it easyPERIOD....no refuting that...

By "the media" he means every single human being on earth that knows anything about basketball.

easyPeriod??? You think bad boy pistons would of let Kobe get 81??? And MJ had it easy?

[mardigan]

so what are we gonna do..travel back in a time machine...calm your nerves sweet heart...this is my world...you just a squirrel trying to get a nut...:lol

Yes.
We can start building it using that 500 you owe DPG. Then I can go far enough back in time to kick your mother in the stomach while she is carrying you.

[Koolaid_Man]

You were talking about guard competition. Isiah was guard competition.

And yes, the competition in the 80's was fierce. That was kinda my point. Jordan couldn't break though until Bird/Magic got old.

Kinda like how Kobe couldn't break through until Jordan got old.

but but but....Kobe was 2nd option wasn't he...you mean like Shaq couldn't break through...what's it gonna be you can't have your cake and eat it to...Kobe never faced MJ enroute to the finals...MJ did face Issiah's teams all the time...

come again...:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

By "the media" he means every single human being on earth that knows anything about basketball.

easyPeriod??? You think bad boy pistons would of let Kobe get 81??? And MJ had it easy?


listen my point is simple...when MJ had to face real men in the 80's he faltered badly...He was KG in the 80's or even worse....when all the real men got old or left the game he flourished...and became an international icon because of it...and that's why you're still trying to suck the dirt off his balls even after they been sucked dry...there was no competition for the guy...like there is for Kobe on a nightly basis...MJ wasn't challenged at all in the 90's....easyPERIOD!!!

[Riddler]

but but but....Kobe was 2nd option wasn't he...you mean like Shaq couldn't break through...what's it gonna be you can't have your cake and eat it to...Kobe never faced MJ enroute to the finals...MJ did face Issiah's teams all the time...

come again...:lol

Kobe is still the 2nd option, possibly third

lol contradicting yourself

[Koolaid_Man]

Yes.
We can start building it using that 500 you owe DPG. Then I can go far enough back in time to kick your mother in the stomach while she is carrying you.


I got you...:lol

[gaKNOW!blee]

listen my point is simple...when MJ had to face real men in the 80's he faltered badly...He was KG in the 80's or even worse....when all the real men got old or left the game he flourished...and became an international icon because of it...and that's why you're still trying to suck the dirt off his balls even after they been sucked dry...there was no competition for the guy...like there is for Kobe on a nightly basis...MJ wasn't challenged at all in the 90's....easyPERIOD!!!

:lol

[mardigan]

listen my point is simple...when MJ had to face real men in the 80's he faltered badly...He was KG in the 80's or even worse....when all the real men got old or left the game he flourished...and became an international icon because of it...and that's why you're still trying to suck the dirt off his balls even after they been sucked dry...there was no competition for the guy...like there is for Kobe on a nightly basis...MJ wasn't challenged at all in the 90's....easyPERIOD!!!

How good were the Lakers without Shaq or Gasol?

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe is still the 2nd option, possibly third

lol contradicting yourself


hey you want me to bring up the stats showing that as a 2nd option Kobe's numbers were better than Duncan's as a 1st option....:lol You fuckers can't win this argument....

Listen Immma keep it real with you for a second...The 1st option in SA is usually the 3rd option in LA....:toast

[Riddler]

How good were the Lakers without Shaq or Gasol?

He wouldn't know because he didn't watch em' then

[mardigan]

The only way to make this comparison would be how well the Bulls did without Pippen compared to how well the Lakers did without Shaq and Gasol. Show me those stats.

[Riddler]

hey you want me to bring up the stats showing that as a 2nd option Kobe's numbers were better than Duncan's as a 1st option....:lol You fuckers can't win this argument....

Listen Immma keep it real with you for a second...The 1st option in SA is usually the 3rd option in LA....:toast

LOL Bringing up Duncan when I'm not even a Spurs fan. Kobe had his time to shine as the first option, and he led them straight home sans the Suns

[Koolaid_Man]

How good were the Lakers without Shaq or Gasol?


It's not about Shaq or Gasol it's about Kwame and Smush Parker and Chucky Atkins....

Kobe won 3 without Gasol and 2 without Shaq

Shaq only won 1 without Kobe.... you want me to spank your baby ass some more...:lol

[Riddler]

It's not about Shaq or Gasol it's about Kwame and Smush Parker and Chucky Atkins....

Kobe won 3 without Gasol and 2 without Shaq

Shaq only won 1 without Kobe.... you want me to spank your baby ass some more...:lol

3-1, quit :lmao

Shaq won him 3, Gasol won him 2.

[gaKNOW!blee]

someone should post Kobe's career Finals stats

lol 6-24

lol only 1 regular season mvp

[mardigan]

It's not about Shaq or Gasol it's about Kwame and Smush Parker and Chucky Atkins....

Kobe won 3 without Gasol and 2 without Shaq

Shaq only won 1 without Kobe.... you want me to spank your baby ass some more...:lol

Yea but how many did he win without Gasol or Shaq?
Show me those stats.

[Pelicans78]

re-read my post...He lost repeatedly didn't beat the Pistons until they were pretty much done...He couldn't beat them in their Prime...

He beat the Pistons the year following their 2nd championship.

[Koolaid_Man]

The only way to make this comparison would be how well the Bulls did without Pippen compared to how well the Lakers did without Shaq and Gasol. Show me those stats.


My OP says it all...

But you're comparing Apples to Oranges....Pippen almost got them to the finals twice without MJ...Gasol never made it anywhere...Pippen is top 50 player all time and HOF'er...Gasol is not a HOF'er and can barely make the All-star team....So Gasol makes Kobe marginally better...it's the team around Kobe the cumulative effect of good players at multiple positions....:lol that's why Kobe is winning now...

[mardigan]

It's not about Shaq or Gasol it's about Kwame and Smush Parker and Chucky Atkins....

Kobe won 3 without Gasol and 2 without Shaq

Shaq only won 1 without Kobe.... you want me to spank your baby ass some more...:lol

Well then it's not about Pippen.
It's about John Paxson and Dave Corzin and Orlando Wooldridge.

[JayTheClown]

It's not about Shaq or Gasol it's about Kwame and Smush Parker and Chucky Atkins....

Kobe won 3 without Gasol and 2 without Shaq

Shaq only won 1 without Kobe.... you want me to spank your baby ass some more...:lol

:wow Wow

[Riddler]

At least we know what Kool's kryptonite is

[Pelicans78]

You were talking about guard competition. Isiah was guard competition.

And yes, the competition in the 80's was fierce. That was kinda my point. Jordan couldn't break though until Bird/Magic got old.

Kinda like how Kobe couldn't break through until Jordan got old.

Actually Kobe couldn't break through until Stockton/Malone got old or whenever Phil Jackson arrived.

[mardigan]

My OP says it all...

But you're comparing Apples to Oranges....Pippen almost got them to the finals twice without MJ...Gasol never made it anywhere...Pippen is top 50 player all time and HOF'er...Gasol is not a HOF'er and can barely make the All-star team....So Gasol makes Kobe marginally better...it's the team around Kobe the cumulative effect of good players at multiple positions....:lol that's why Kobe is winning now...

Lol how is getting to the conference semi finals almost getting them to the Finals? You really are a dumb twat.
And yes, Gasol is a HOFer sorry to burst your Bryant bubble.

[Pelicans78]

Pippen only played one full year without Jordan. The following year is when Jordan made his comeback.

[z0sa]

Kobe won 3 without Gasol and 2 without Shaq

Holy fuck.

[Koolaid_Man]

Lol how is getting to the conference semi finals almost getting them to the Finals? You really are a dumb twat.
And yes, Gasol is a HOFer sorry to burst your Bryant bubble.


the only way Gasol gets in is if he helps Kobe get 2 more...but he'll never win a finals MVP as long as he's playing along side Kobe.....you guys are so butthurt over this....listen you can't win this argument....

Gasol said himself that Kobe makes him feel good when he talks to him...this is not a HOF'er...HOF'ers don't say shit like that....:lol

[JayTheClown]

Enough with this bullshit. Say Kool you still got the inside track in the porn industry. I got a homegirl who wants to hit you up.

[Pelicans78]

Magic wasn't that old when the Bulls beat the Lakers. He was only 32 at the time.

[Koolaid_Man]

Pippen only played one full year without Jordan. The following year is when Jordan made his comeback.


hey listen if I recall MJ "retired" twice....meaning Pip played 2 seasons without him...I could be wrong I wasn't a Bulls fan....

[Venti Quattro]

At least we know what Kool's kryptonite is

$500 and you got his attention

[mardigan]

the only way Gasol gets in is if he helps Kobe get 2 more...but he'll never win a finals MVP as long as he's playing along side Kobe.....you guys are so butthurt over this....listen you can't win this argument....

Gasol said himself that Kobe makes him feel good when he talks to him...this is not a HOF'er...HOF'ers don't say shit like that....:lol

There is no argument.
You are just getting shit on again like always.
Show me Kobe's records without Shaq and Gasol and MJs without Pippen and we might have an argument.

[z0sa]

the only way Gasol gets in is if he helps Kobe get 2 more...but he'll never win a finals MVP as long as he's playing along side Kobe.....you guys are so butthurt over this....listen you can't win this argument....

Translation:


LAlLALALALALALALALALALALA YOU CAN'T WIN LALALALA

[Pelicans78]

hey listen if I recall MJ "retired" twice....meaning Pip played 2 seasons without him...I could be wrong I wasn't a Bulls fan....

Actually Pip played alot of seasons without MJ, but only one full season as a Bull. The rest were with the Rockets and Blazers.

[mardigan]

hey listen if I recall MJ "retired" twice....meaning Pip played 2 seasons without him...I could be wrong I wasn't a Bulls fan....

Yea you could be.
Lol the Christian Laettner and MJ classic matchups

[JayTheClown]

hey listen if I recall MJ "retired" twice....meaning Pip played 2 seasons without him...I could be wrong I wasn't a Bulls fan....

Damn :wow

Why should the second time he retired matter?

[Koolaid_Man]

Enough with this bullshit. Say Kool you still got the inside track in the porn industry. I got a homegirl who wants to hit you up.

PM me some of her work and if she's good then we can discuss further...troll:lol

[z0sa]

ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Gasol (unlike Pippen) never once came to within a game of the finals by himself no less twice, and Pippen (unlike Kobe) never went back to back without MJ. You see what I’ve just done boys and girls…Sure, Kobe played with Shaq during the first 3 peat, but last time I checked Shaq couldn't win until Kobe arrived ( in the metaphysical sense) :lol

Shaq and Kobe both were considered the two best players in the league. Where Shaq couldn’t get it done… Kobe did and vice versa. Remember during the first 3-peat you could game plan around and stop Shaq but Kobe couldn’t be stopped by no one..just ask the Spurs. Lol

Again MJ won easy because he had it easyPERIOD.

Especially during the 90’s. In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out.

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime.. His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d look ALL-World defender too. Lol


MJ's Main Competition:



John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_, Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc….



Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Kobe's Main Compeition:


Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.


The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen. This should put an end to it all really:

pippen never even reached the conference finals you dumb faggot

[Koolaid_Man]

Spur fan protecting MJ's legacy hard....lol

[Koolaid_Man]

MJ is gonna fall soon enough and to the depths of hell is where you cowards are going

[Pelicans78]

Actually Pippen did reach the conference finals as a Blazer when they had Sabonis, Wallace, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudamire, Brian Grant, Walt Williams, Greg Anthony, etc. Stacked team no doubt. Pippen definitely wasn't the go-to scorer on that team. It was Wallace and Steve Smith.

[gaKNOW!blee]

only bulls fans are allowed to shit on me

[JayTheClown]

PM me some of her work and if she's good then we can discuss further...troll:lol

I don't know who your calling a troll dude. I'm not the one making stupid ass threads mentioning Mookie Blacklock vs Micheal Jordan matchups.

[Koolaid_Man]

Actually Pippen did reach the conference finals as a Blazer when they had Sabonis, Wallace, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudamire, Brian Grant, Walt Williams, Greg Anthony, etc. Stacked team no doubt. Pippen definitely wasn't the go-to scorer on that team. It was Wallace and Steve Smith.


ohh that's that team Kobe shitted on....:lol unlucky Pippen

[Riddler]

pippen never even reached the conference finals you dumb faggot

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/106008277.gif?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1300928579&Signature=dZr5zhMfkBAhblQJIrD0a5gEqAQ%3D

[z0sa]

ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.


ohhh and winning rings in LA is worth way more than winning them in CHI.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Its only $500. Pay up.

[ElNono]

I thought it was your wallet, and you were going to pay up the $500.... welcher

[z0sa]

I thought it was your wallet, and you were going to pay up the $500.... welcher

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

so he made it to the Eastern Conference Semifinals...way more than Gasol ever achieved...lol

[Riddler]

I thought it was your wallet, and you were going to pay up the $500.... welcher

Nothing but dust and spiders in there

[z0sa]

so he made it to the Eastern Conference Semifinals...way more than Gasol ever achieved...lol

damn you're getting clowned on in this thread.

[JayTheClown]

so he made it to the Eastern Conference Semifinals...way more than Gasol ever achieved...lol

The difference is Gasol was the primary "go to guy" while Pippen was merely a role player.

[Koolaid_Man]

So share with us ElHomo how does DPG's ass taste...

[Koolaid_Man]

The difference is Gasol was the primary "go to guy" while Pippen was merely a role player.


so Pip was role player without MJ....go to bed son

[Pelicans78]

so Pip was role player without MJ....go to bed son

More like sidekick.

[Koolaid_Man]

damn you're getting clowned on in this thread.


am I really? :lol

[JayTheClown]

so Pip was role player without MJ....go to bed son

Pip was in the twilight of his career when he was on the Blazers son.

[Cessation]

Its only $500. Pay up.

I don't think thats possible, try on the first of the month, thats your best chance.

[Koolaid_Man]

Pip was in the twilight of his career when he was on the Blazers son.


hey fuck face not when he was playing for the Bulls when MJ faked retirement because he was banned by Stern for gambling...you fuck faces have no idea what's going on...you read a story and that's the gospel....you talking to Kool...and I'm way outta your league....

[z0sa]

am I really? :lol

Yes, faggot.

I know you're used to being abused like a bitch in prison, but after they left your asshole gaping, you log onto SpursTalk and get it proverbially. You enjoy a good ass raping.

[Pelicans78]

Pippen did lead the team to the EC semis without MJ and could have gone to ECF if not for a questionable call. However, the following year the Bulls were struggling and were barely making the playoffs until MJ returned in the middle of the season. Pippen couldn't sustain what he did the year before.

Pippen must have been like 36 whenever the Blazers were in the WCF. He definitely wasn't their go-to-guy, but more like a facilitator for Wallace, Smith, and Stoudamire.

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't think thats possible, try on the first of the month, thats your best chance.


You can depend on me like the 1st and 15th :lol

[LnGrrrR]

You can depend on me like the 1st and 15th :lol

That's only because those are the days you get your welfare checks. :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

That's only because those are the days you get your welfare checks. :lol

I guess the jokes on you then....for as much as you and your dad listen to gangsta you should caught the subtle implication...you slippin on yo game white boy...:lol

[Spur_Fanatic]

STFU welcher

[LnGrrrR]

I guess the jokes on you then....for as much as you and your dad listen to gangsta you should caught the subtle implication...you slippin on yo game white boy...:lol

Do you listen to anything BUT gangsta rap, esp Tupac?

You should try listening to Pharoah Monche, Del tha Funkee Homosapien or some Joe Budden. :tu

[BlackSwordsMan]

here's a stat
money bets kool paid : 0

[Mavillionaire]

Kool just bustin open niggas he needs to bust open.

[z0sa]

The only thing that got busted wide open in this thread was Kool's anus.

[ElNono]

At least we know what Kool's kryptonite is

sup Culby

[ElNono]

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

Paid all his $500 bets

Kobe without Shaq (6 seasons):

Paid all his $500 bets

[LnGrrrR]

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

Paid all his $500 bets

Kobe without Shaq (6 seasons):

Paid all his $500 bets

:lol

[WildcardManu]

MJ is gonna fall soon enough and to the depths of hell is where you cowards are going

Really 2pac?

[BRHornet45]

pure stupidity

[cobbler]

I got $500.00 on MJ not being the GOAT.

Any takers? :lol

[Cry Havoc]

MJ won EASY because he had it easyPERIOD...


You "Stat" guys that say Kobe depended on Shaq let me fuck up your world for a minute...:lol Say goodbye to the whole argument that Kobe needed Shaq. If he did then Pippen was a wet titty for MJ... Put your big girl panties on and deal with it..:lol

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Kobe without Shaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month



Russell without Celtics (13 seasons):

.000 win %
0 Finals appearances
0 Championships
0 MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 NBA All-Team Defense
0 points
0 rebounds
0 assists
0 steals

[HarlemHeat37]

I got $500.00 on MJ not being the GOAT.

Any takers? :lol

:lol:lol good stuff..

[ezau]

Look at this little pussy
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SEfbjzz5XBI/AAAAAAAAAik/PiC0th8Jrus/s400/kobe_jordan_254_020612.jpg

He should've worn the Pippen jersey instead