Trump Tells Obama to Show the Birth Certificate

[Parker2112]

Is Donald Trump a “birther,” that political fate worse than death — or almost? Only “truthers” are more reviled by the establishment.
The Donald went on The View and said Obama needs to show the birth certificate.
“I want him to show his birth certificate. I want him to show his birth certificate,” he said. “Everybody else has to. Excuse me. I really believe there is a birth certificate. Look, she’s smiling. Why doesn’t he show his birth certificate? I wish he would. I think it’s a terrible pale hanging over him.”

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[Parker2112]

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[boutons_deux]

Just another ego-maniacal asshole with too much money, not enough brains, and no class.

[Nbadan]

Hey, why not just drop the facade that our govt is compromised by carpet-bagging globalist...

[Blake]

so parker is following the birther crowd.

Sheep!

[Parker2112]

so parker is following the birther crowd.

Sheep!

I dont consider myself a birther or a truther. I consider myself the type of person who believes that these viewpoints should be available for civil discourse without MSM-trained parrots mocking-on-cue, with pre-fabbed talking points.

Hats off to Trump for thinking for his damn self, and having the balls to express his opinion regardless of backlash.

You...not so much...

[Parker2112]

Hey, why not just drop the facade that our govt is NOT compromised by carpet-bagging globalist...

fify

[Halberto]

I can't listen to these women talk politics, sorry.

[4>0rings]

Just another ego-maniacal asshole with too much money, not enough brains, and no class.
Yeah, he had to be so stupid to get so rich the way he did. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

If he spends his own money on his campaign, he's an idiot.

[Nbadan]

he's obviously trying not too...but he's such a insignificant player he may have to throw in 10's of millions just to gain any sort of traction....he should try running for Governor of NY first...until then, he needs to STFU...

[SnakeBoy]

If he spends his own money on his campaign, he's an idiot.

If he actually runs he's an idiot.

[Nbadan]

Let's just stick with he's an idiot...

[ChumpDumper]

I totally want to see him work a crowd at an Iowa diner though.

[Nbadan]

I'd give him the VP job if he would just hire his daughter as his spokesperson

http://dailygab.com/files/2009/10/ivanka-trump.jpg

[Stringer_Bell]

I'd give him the VP job if he would just hire his daughter as his spokesperson

http://dailygab.com/files/2009/10/ivanka-trump.jpg


Wowee. I'd vote for Trump if he held a national lottery to slay her for a week after his inauguration.

Tbh, people shouldn't take this birther talk too serious. He's just trying to get Tea Party support for the primaries. We all know how easy it is to scare white people into the primary voting booths if you sound like a like-minded crazy white person.

[DMX7]

Ivanka Trump is the goods. She's kind of big-boned though...

[ducks]

If he spends his own money on his campaign, he's an idiot.
link to prove he is an idiot

[DMX7]

link to prove he is an idiot

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/17/donald-trumps-casino-comp_n_167474.html

He's a trustfund baby too. That's how he first got rich.

[ducks]

smart to file file and try again
usa is getting to the point to file and start over


it is legally to do that
smart to do that

[DMX7]

If we "file" it will be the end of the global economy.

[ducks]

iceland filed

[ducks]

we should force japan to wipe out the debt we owe them since we are helping them now

also where was the foreign support $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ when new orleans got destoyed

[DMX7]

iceland filed

I think their debt was less than half of 1% of our debt.

[ChumpDumper]

link to prove he is an idiotI need to link this thread for you?

[ChumpDumper]

also where was the foreign support $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ when new orleans got destoyedThere was plenty. You are just ignorant of it.

[Blake]

I dont consider myself a birther or a truther. I consider myself the type of person who believes that these viewpoints should be available for civil discourse without MSM-trained parrots mocking-on-cue, with pre-fabbed talking points.

Hats off to Trump for thinking for his damn self, and having the balls to express his opinion regardless of backlash.

so you give hats off to Trump for expressing his opinion when you fail to give your own.


You...not so much...

that's a lie.

I absolutely have no problem expressing my opinion regardless of backlash. Plenty of threads floating around this messageboard can easily confirm that.

My opinion is that Obama is a U.S. citizen.

Why are you uncomfortable with taking a side here?

Why do you waver because of something Trump said on the View?

[boutons_deux]

I think their debt was less than half of 1% of our debt.

absolute size, or per capita? There's a difference.

Iceland crisis was another example of how financial regulation/privatization always leads to financial disasters, sooner or later. Iceland freed its banks in 2000, disaster in 2008.

[Parker2112]

so you give hats off to Trump for expressing his opinion when you fail to give your own.



that's a lie.

I absolutely have no problem expressing my opinion regardless of backlash. Plenty of threads floating around this messageboard can easily confirm that.

My opinion is that Obama is a U.S. citizen.

Why are you uncomfortable with taking a side here?

Why do you waver because of something Trump said on the View?

Thats the problem with too many folks these days....they think an opinion is enough.

If its not informed, then its not worth shit.

If I tell you I dont have an opinion, then take that as I dont know enough about both sides to give my opinion.

Novel concept, I know.

But I applaude Trumps balls whether I agree or not.

I tire of the sheep parade, this is refreshing...


Otherwise,

[greyforest]

My opinion is that Obama is a U.S. citizen.

Why are you uncomfortable with taking a side here?

Kinda hard to take a side when it's a question that very few people will ever factually know the answer to.

Doesn't have shit to do with opinion.

[Blake]

Thats the problem with too many folks these days....they think an opinion is enough.

If its not informed, then its not worth shit.

If I tell you I dont have an opinion, then take that as I dont know enough about both sides to give my opinion.

Novel concept, I know.

But I applaude Trumps balls whether I agree or not.

I tire of the sheep parade, this is refreshing...


Otherwise,

If you need information on Obama's birth, just ask.

If would make you look a lot less foolish than posting a youtube and taking your hat off to an ignorant Donald Trump.

[Blake]

Kinda hard to take a side when it's a question that very few people will ever factually know the answer to.

Doesn't have shit to do with opinion.

It's not hard at all to pick a side on this one.

There is plenty of evidence that he's a citizen.

There is no evidence that he's not.

[ducks]

There was plenty. You are just ignorant of it.

link to support other contries gave money to the usa in that disaster
since they are so many

[Winehole23]

Judging from the $1B in aid that was declined, mislaid or went otherwise unclaimed, foreign largesse after Katrina was considerable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113.html?hpid=topnews

[ChumpDumper]

link to support other contries gave money to the usa in that disaster
since they are so many
Pledges and donations from countries

Below is a list of countries who offered aid. Some of these efforts were not formally accepted by the U.S. government (see "Actual Funds Used" below).

Afghanistan

Donated $100,000 to the hurricane victims.

Albania

Donated $308,000.

Argentina

Made offers of help and assistance. Argentina also dispatched an elite team of bilingual mental health professionals.

Armenia

Pledged $200,000 and made offers of help and assistance.

Australia

A$10 million (approximately US$7.5 million), and a team of 1,000 emergency response officers immediately. Donated A$20 million to American Red Cross.

Austria

140 specialists of the AFDRU were put on stand-by. Their focus was to have been on providing clean water with portable water-treatment plants. Within the EU Emergency Assistance for Katrina, Austria set up a communication network using IT and communication equipment for assistance/support, provided 10 sets petrol driven dirty water pumps, 500 pieces tarps/plastic sheeting and 300 camp beds.

Azerbaijan

Donated $500,000.

The Bahamas

Pledged $50,000.

Bahrain

Donated $5 million.

Belarus

Helped out and offered medical assistance.

Belgium

Offered 3 Medical teams of 31 personnel, logistic team of 10 personnel, coordination team of 4 personnel, civil engineering team of 10 personnel, diving team, and also balloon-lamps, low and high capacity pumps and small generators.

Bosnia and Herzegovina

Made offers of help and assistance.

Brunei

Donated $1 million.

Cambodia

The king donated $20,000 to match the $20,000 Cambodian government donation.

Canada

September 5, 35 military divers were poised to depart by air Sunday from Halifax and Esquimalt, B.C., for the New Orleans area. September 4, On the request from U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Canada sent thousands of beds, blankets, surgical gloves and dressings and other medical supplies. On September 2 the Government of Canada announced it was sending three warships along with a Coast Guard vessel, and three Sea King helicopters to the area. Over 1,000 personnel are involved in the operation, including engineers and navy divers. The Canadian Heavy Urban Search and Rescue out of Vancouver was in Louisiana from September 1, due to security they started their mission on Sept 3. Ontario Hydro, Hydro-Québec, and Manitoba Hydro, along with other electrical utilities, had crews set to go to the affected areas. On September 2 Air Canada participated along with U.S. member airlines of the Air Transport Association, in a voluntary airline industry initiative to support rescue and relief operations. Money donations although where very high, the province of Alberta alone threw in 5 million dollars. Although it is hard to put an exact number on Canadian cash donations because of some Canadians donating directly to the American agencies, Canada is widely believed to be the highest international donor nation, and was the only country in the world to supply direct military assistance in addition to civilian donations and supplies as the US Government declined direct military support from all other nations.

People's Republic of China

On September 2, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it will offer $5 million along with emergency supplies, including 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets, immediately for disaster relief. China also offered to send medical care and rescue workers if they were needed. This aid package consisting of 104 tons of supplies later arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas. A chartered plane carrying the supplies arrived on September 7.

Republic of China (Taiwan)

Pledged more than $3 million to the relief effort, plus supplies.

Colombia

Made offers of help and assistance.

Cuba

One of the first countries to offer aid, Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine. This aid was rejected by the State Department.[17] Also, before the 2006 World Baseball Classic, Cuba said they would donate their share of the winnings to Katrina victims to ensure the United States embargo against Cuba was not violated. However, after the tournament, the U.S. government refused to allow the donation.

Cyprus

Offered $50,000.

Czech Republic

Offered rescue teams, field hospital and pumps and water processing equipment.

Denmark

Offered water purification units.

Djibouti

Offered $50,000.

Dominica

Offered police to monitor hard-hit areas.

Dominican Republic

Offered rescue workers, doctors and nurses.

Ecuador

Made offers of help and assistance.

Egypt

Sent 2 C-130 planes loaded with blankets, medical equipment, and canned food.

El Salvador

Offered to send troops to help keep order in New Orleans.

Equatorial Guinea

Pledged $500,000.

Finland

The Finn Rescue Force—the group consists of 30 firemen was offered by the Finnish Government but refused. The Finnish Red Cross sent three Red Cross logistics experts.

$100,000 was given by the Finnish government to be distributed by U.S. authorities. A Finnish cruise ship, Finnjet, operated by Silja Lines, was sent to Baton Rouge for use by the LSU Department of Medicine. 9,000 sheets, 1,000 pillowcases, 200 small tarps, 200 first aid kits, 120 cooler cases and 3,500 thermo sheets were sent to Little Rock for distribution in Louisiana. Nokia donated $1 million to the U.S. Red Cross and matched employee contributions at 100 percent. Mobile phones were donated to shelters in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio.

Additionally Finland offered 300 tents, a water purification unit, sterile gloves, bed sheets, pillow covers, tarps and first aid kits.

France

Concrete help was refused by the US government initially, however on September 2, Condoleezza Rice said that the US authorities would assess the situation and contact French authorities accordingly. On September 4, US authorities formally requested French assistance. France offered disaster relief stocks prepositioned in Martinique (600 tents, around 1000 beds, 60 electrogenic groups, 3 pumps, 3 water purification stations, 1000 folding jerricanes and other material). A 35-person team of the Sécurité civile (Civil defence) from Guadeloupe and Martinique were made ready, and a 60-man "catastrophe intervention" aeromobile detachment were prepared to be ferried from mainland in a short time. The Ministry of Defence offered 2 planes already in the zone and 6 more from mainland France, and two ships of the French Navy (probably the BATRAL Francis Garnier or Champlain, and the frigate Ventôse) and a 20-person team of emergency medical specialists. The non-governmental organisation Télécoms sans frontières and the company Véolia environnement offered aid in communications and water management, respectively. On September 7, the Ministry for Foreign Affairs stated that an Airbus Beluga from Toulouse with 12,7 tonnes of supplies flew to Mobile, Alabama, after a brief stop in the UK to load more food. Two Casa airplanes from Martinique landed in Little Rock, Arkansas, ferrying tents, covers and 1000 rations of food for 24 hours.

Gabon

Pledged $500,000.

Georgia

Made offers of help and assistance.

Germany

Two German Army Airbus planes landed in Florida with about 25 tonnes of food rations to be transported to the disaster area. Further planes were prepared. Germany offered airlifting, vaccination, water purification, medical supplies including German air force hospital planes, emergency electrical power and pumping services. The aid was ready to go on German air force and chartered planes. A team of specialists from THW (German federal agency for technical relief) were planning technical measures and logistics in close contact with local authorities. A team of 89 flood fighting specialists and 5 medical personnel were dispatched from Ramstein Air Base to Louisiana by the United States Air Force. They brought 15 high performance pumps (10 pumps with a capacity of 15,000 litres per minute and 5 pumps with a capacity of 5,000 litres per minute) and 28 vehicles. On Saturday, September 10 at 4:30 p.m., the THW started the first 15,000 litre pump at pumping-station No. 19. Three other 15,000 litres pumps followed. The drainage of New Orleans would have taken much more time if these pumps and the THW specialists had not been provided.
The Minister-President of the federal state of Rhineland-Palatinate addressed a letter to the commanders of the American forces stationed in his state offering financial support to those affected by the flooding.
Another German Air Force cargo plane carrying several thousand military rations (MRE) was denied entry into US airspace since, according to US authorities, they were not certified BSE-free. This was disputed by German authorities, pointing out that they were BSE-free according to NATO rules, that US soldiers would eat them regularly during joint operations (e.g. Afghanistan) and that these meals fully complied to UN rules.

Greece

Offered $85,000, two cruise ships to house those left homeless, a rescue team, and supplies.

Guatemala

Made offers of help and assistance.

Guyana

Made offers of help and assistance and organized a telethon to raise money for victims.

Honduras

Offered 135 flooding and sanitation experts.

Hungary

Pledged $5,000 and offered to send a Special Search and Rescue Team, and also five doctors.

Iceland

Offered $500,000.

India

India offered to contribute $5 million to the United States Red Cross for relief and rehabilitation of the victims. They also offered to donate medicines and large water purification systems for use in households and small communities in the stricken areas, where potable water was a key concern. India sent tarps, blankets and hygiene kits. An Indian Air Force IL-76 aircraft delivered 25 tonnes of relief supplies for the Hurricane Katrina victims at the Little Rock Air Force Base, Arkansas on September 13, 2005.

Indonesia

Offered to send 45 doctors and 155 other medical staffers and 10,000 blankets to help survivors.

Iran

Offered to send humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels (3,200,000 m3) of crude oil.

Iraq

Pledged $1 million to the Red Cross via the Red Crescent.

Republic of Ireland

Offered to send 30 members of the Irish Defence Forces. The Irish army would have supplied thousands of ready meals, tents, blankets, water purification services and medical aid, including first aid kits, crutches and wheelchairs. The group would have included about ten experts in stress debriefing. Six of the troops would have operated two water purification plants. The Irish Government also announced it is to provide initial funding of EUR 1.2 million for the victims.

Israel

Offered field hospitals and hundreds of doctors, nurses, technicians and other experts in trauma, natural disasters and public health.[29]
An Israeli airlift arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas with an eighty-ton shipment of humanitarian aid, including baby food, diapers, water, ready-to-eat meals, clothes, tents, blankets, mattresses, stretchers, first aid kits, wheelchairs, and other medical supplies.
The Magen David Adom began "United Brotherhood Operation," which sent a plane-load of supplies and financial assistance.
IsraAid sent a delegation of medical personnel, psychologists, and experienced search-and-rescue divers. The 18-member team — which included physicians, mental health professionals, trauma specialists, logistics experts and a special unit of Israeli police divers — arrived in St. Bernard Parish and Plaquemines Parish on Sept. 10 and spent a week and a half assisting fire department search-and-rescue squads and sitting in on daily planning meetings that included local leadership and a complement of Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), police, military and fire representativesmedical team.
Five universities in Israel welcomed displaced American students from the affected areas and invited both undergraduate and graduate students to continue their studies in Israel. In particular, medical students unable to attend the Tulane University in New Orleans can attend Tel Aviv University's Sackler School of Medicine.

Italy

Italy offered to send two Hercules C130 cargo aircraft fitted with emergency aids, including 300 Adult camp beds, 300 blankets, 600 sheets, 1 suction pump, 6 lifecrafts, 11.200 chlorine tablets, 5 units of large first aid kits, baby food formula pumps, tents and power generators. Italy also offered to send some experts of the Protezione Civile to help coordinating relief efforts in the damaged area.

Jamaica

Made offers of help and assistance.

Japan

$15 million in aid for Katrina

Jordan

Made offers of help and assistance.

Kenya

Offered $100,000. There were also early reports of $400 million in petroleum products being donated from Kenya, though these later proved to be erroneous.

South Korea

Offered $ 30 million and dispatched a rescue team.

Kuwait

Parliament approved $500 million for aid in oil and other humanitarian aid.

Latvia

Offered a disaster relief team

Lithuania

Made offers of help and assistance.

Luxembourg

Team of five persons, 1000 camp beds and 2000 blankets.

Malaysia

Pledged $1 million to American Red Cross.

Maldives

Sent $25,000 to American Red Cross.

Mauritania

Promised $200,000 to American Red Cross.

Malta

Made offers of help and assistance.

Mexico

Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas received almost 196 Mexican troops, 14 truckloads of water, a mobile surgical unit, 45 military vehicles, 3 tons of purified water, and more than 250 tons of food, bottled water, canned food, disposable diapers and medical supplies. The Mexican Government sent $1 million through the Mexican Red Cross which collected an additional million, as well as 200 tons of food delivered in five airplanes from the Mexican Air Force by another Mexican Government body. The Mexican Navy sent two ships, 385 troopers, eight all-terrain vehicles, seven amphibious vehicles, two tankers, two helicopters, radio communication equipment, medical personnel and 296 tons of food as well. The state of Jalisco also sent four experts in disaster, while the Federal government offered to send expert teams in epidemiology and to cover the costs of returning any Mexican national back to Mexico.

Mongolia

Pledged $50,000.

Nepal

Pledged $25,000.

The Netherlands

Royal Netherlands Navy Frigate Hr. Ms. Van Amstel arrived from the Netherlands Antilles. The frigate was filled with supplies and had helicopters on board that can be used in rescue actions. Further, The Netherlands sent experts on the subject of water containment and dikes, identification teams and pumps to deliver clean drinking water, F-16s with sophisticated infra red or thermography camera pods (to look for weaknesses in the levees, corpses and hidden survivors) and divers from the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps. On September 7 The U.S. government announced that it would take up the Dutch government's offer to send water pumps, and also five water management experts.

New Zealand

Main article: New Zealand response to Hurricane Katrina
Pledged $2 million though the Red Cross. This contribution was in addition to the offers the government has already made to send an Urban Search and Rescue Team, a Disaster Victim Identification team or post disaster recovery personnel.

Nicaragua

Made offers of help and assistance.

Nigeria

Pledged $1 million to hurricane disaster relief.

Norway

Made offers of help and assistance. An amount of NOK 10 million was given through the Norwegian Red Cross and the UN. In addition, Norway offered divers and medicines.

Oman

Pledged $15 million.

Pakistan

On September 4 Pakistan offered to send a team of doctors and paramedics to support the relief agencies. Pakistan also pledged $1 million through the Red Cross.

Palau

Pledged $50,000.

Papua New Guinea

Promised $10,000 to American Red Cross.

Paraguay

Made offers of help and assistance.

Peru

Offered to send 80-100 doctors to help survivors.

Philippines

Offered to send a 25-member team of aid workers. The Philippines Red Cross donated $25,000.

Poland

Made offers of help and assistance.

Portugal

Offered tents, mattresses, blankets, hygiene kits. Portugal lent 2% of its strategic oil reserve, equivalent to 500,000 barrels (79,000 m3) of oil.

Qatar

Pledged $100 million to the victims.

Romania

Offered 2 Teams of medical experts.

Russia

Was one of the first countries to offer assistance. Up to four jets were placed on standby at the Ramenskoe airport near Moscow as early as August 30, including heavy Ilyushin Il-76-TDs with special evacuation equipment, medical equipment, a water-cleansing system, a BK-117 rescue helicopter and two special cars; and a passenger IL-62, which brought 10 coordinators and 50 rescuers, as well as 6 tons of drinking water. On September 6, the Bush administration gave its approval.

Saudi Arabia

Saudi Refining, a Houston-based subsidiary of state oil firm Saudi Aramco, donated $5 million to the American Red Cross, as well as $250,000 from AGFUND.

Singapore

Three Singaporean CH-47 Chinook helicopters and thirty-eight RSAF personnel from a training detachment based in Grand Prairie, Texas assisted in relief operations from 1 September. They had so far ferried about 700 evacuees and hauled tons of supplies in 39 sorties on 4 September. One more CH-47 Chinook helicopter was sent to aid in relief efforts.

Slovakia

Promised blankets, beds, first aid kits.

Slovenia

$120,000 worth of cots, mattresses, blankets, temporary shelters and first-aid kits.

Spain

Spain sent 2.1 million barrels (330,000 m3) of crude oil from its strategic reserves (the 1.75% of the Spanish reserves) for a 30 day period. On September 7 two Hercules cargo aircraft took off with 15 tons of food rations, electrical generators and batteries, medical equipment and other humanitarian assistance collected by the Agencia Española de Cooperación Internacional (AECI). A second envoy was sent a few days later.

Sri Lanka

Pledged $25,000 for relief efforts.

Sweden

Sweden offered to send medical and technical aid, and a Hercules cargo aircraft filled with three complete GSM systems, first aid kits, blankets, Ready-to-eat meals, generators, 2 heavy water purification plants, as well as water sanitation experts. On September 4 the U.S. State Department declined the aid, saying it was currently unable to accept foreign aid packages. On September 12 the Hercules plane left the Gothenburg-Landvetter Airport, carrying a cargo of three Ericsson GSM network systems. A team of technical consultants to help with the aid package was also provided.

Switzerland

Switzerland offered specialised personnel and material to the USA and the World Health Organisation (WHO). In accordance with US requirements, 50 tonnes of rescue equipment were ready to be sent, along with two logisticians of the Direction du développement et de la coopération (DDC, "Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation") to help coordinate distributions. Four physicians and two water specialists were also put to the disposal of the WHO.

Thailand

Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.

Tunisia

Sent two C-130s with relief supplies.

Turkey

Promised $2.5 million in cash and aid.

Uganda

Offered $200,000.

United Arab Emirates

Pledged $100 million.

United Kingdom

The United Kingdom dispatched 500,000 ration packs worth EUR 3 million, to the region. However, many of the ration packs did not reach victims due to laws regarding mad cow disease. It also offered medical experts, Urban Search and Rescue equipment, Marine engineers and high-volume pumps, skilled personnel including engineers who could support recovery efforts for installations and systems, technicians, staff trained in disaster management and emergency response activities. It also pledged to release an extra 2.2 million barrels (350,000 m3) of oil.

Venezuela

President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela offered one million barrels of oil and 5 million dollars in aid to the United States. This aid was rejected by the State Department. State-owned Petróleos de Venezuela, the parent company of Citgo Petroleum Corporation, has also pledged a $2 million donation for hurricane aid. Two mobile hospital units were also offered, but were declined, according to Jesse Jackson.

Vietnam

Pledged $100,000.

Yemen

Pledged $100,000 through the Red Cross.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

You're welcome.

[Oh, Gee!!]

why does he look like he's in "blackface" makeup?

[phxspurfan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/17/donald-trumps-casino-comp_n_167474.html

He's a trustfund baby too. That's how he first got rich.

Ohh now that makes sense. It's the only way you can start big business in this country anyway. Especially now that banks won't lend you a dime

[Parker2112]

If you need information on Obama's birth, just ask.

If would make you look a lot less foolish than posting a youtube and taking your hat off to an ignorant Donald Trump.

I'll ask: link to the birth certificate?

[Blake]

I'll ask: link to the birth certificate?

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Blake, that isn't the original, cut clearly marked "copy" at the bottom.

That's what the birthers are concerned about. The want to see the original.

[Blake]

Blake, that isn't the original, cut clearly marked "copy" at the bottom.

That's what the birthers are concerned about. The want to see the original.

that's why birthers are idiots.

[Wild Cobra]

that's why birthers are idiots.
I'm in agreement to a certain point. They are almost, but not quite as bad as conspiracy theorists. Now I don't think most believe what they are saying, but just using it as a political tool. The archived newspaper reporting of his birth should be good enough.

[Blake]

because you two are also idiots:

http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[Parker2112]

Blake....your attempt to belittle those with differing opinions is a complete failure here.

Thats not a birth certificate. it is a certification of live birth.

read at the bottom. it says "prima facie evidence in a court of law." If it was a birth certificate, its more than prima facie. its conclusive evidence.

And WC, the argument is that the original remains out of the public view, and they keep presenting this as a "legal" substitute, which they claims proves the existence of the original. But they wont show the original.

And I still admit that I dont know enough to make a truther's case...

yet I know more than you two.

try another theory blake.

[Blake]

And I still admit that I dont know enough to make a truther's case...

yet I know more than you two.

then no you don't.


try another theory blake.

my theory is that you are a birther in disguise.

[Parker2112]

you were ignorant as to the facts i just presented...yet you continue to stubbornly argue?

check yo head fool.

[Parker2112]

again...your opinion is shit till you inform yourself.

[Wild Cobra]

Parker, even if he wasn't born here, all acceptable evidence says he was. The burden would be to prove he wasn't.

[Parker2112]

Parker, even if he wasn't born here, all acceptable evidence says he was. The burden would be to prove he wasn't.

WC. Dude. Cmon. Hes the President. Its up to him to prove fitness. And it should be readily available to every citizen of this nation.

Thats our right.

Dont give us the modern equivalent. Dont give us a certification. Give us the real thing. No ifs ands or buts. And if not, why the hell not?

[Wild Cobra]

WC. Dude. Cmon. Hes the President. Its up to him to prove fitness. And it should be readily available to every citizen of this nation.

Thats our right.

Dont give us the modern equivalent. Dont give us a certification. Give us the real thing. No ifs ands or buts. And if not, why the hell not?
Don't you believe in the 4th amendment?

[Parker2112]

for the record, I think hes a citizen. But I dont go for this hocus pocus bullshit. and neither should any other American.

Politicians lie, placate and subdue the public every day with soothing words that are disconnected from truth.

until the public demands a govt rooted in truth, until public demands the govt to follow the letter of the law, we will have the shit that is bringing our country to its knees.

wakedafuggup.

[Parker2112]

Don't you believe in the 4th amendment?

remind me why applicants for jobs can be legally made to piss in a bottle...

[Wild Cobra]

remind me why applicants for jobs can be legally made to piss in a bottle...
Does that apple really taste like an orange to you?

[Parker2112]

Does that apple really taste like an orange to you?

the president doesnt work for we the people?

[Parker2112]

remind me why his tax records, health records, birth info, are all made public....

[Wild Cobra]

the president doesnt work for we the people?
Again, apples and oranges.

Evidence has been presented that he is a citizen. I suppose you would agree that if any disagreement exists in a single citizen, then we have the right... maybe you think duty... to ruffle through all his personal items, papers, and effects, to get to the truth.

[Parker2112]

So if his home state says "you dont need to see the original, we will certify that it happened the way he says...thats enough?

This leaves room for crooks and thieves to jimmy the system. Regardless of whether this president has been dishonest. Which is why you should have to produce your original birth certificate to sit as the leader of the free world. its too sensitive to allow exceptions

[Blake]

again...your opinion is shit till you inform yourself.

I did inform myself.

I tried to inform you too, but you ignored it.

[Blake]

So if his home state says "you dont need to see the original, we will certify that it happened the way he says...thats enough?

yes it is, unless you are a birther.

[Parker2112]

I asked for a link to his birth certificate and you offered a link to a certification of live birth.

you thought one was the same as the other. You didnt realize there was a difference.

you were ignorant of the fact. And yet you felt justified in belittling others, even while standing in ignorance.

haha.

haha.

[Blake]

I asked for a link to his birth certificate and you offered a link to a certification of live birth.

you thought one was the same as the other. You didnt realize there was a difference.

you were ignorant of the fact. And yet you felt justified in belittling others, even while standing in ignorance.

haha.

haha.

I feel justified in calling you a huge dumbfuck because that's what you are.


Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

The state of Hawaii recognizes a Certification of Live Birth as being a Birth Certificate.

But don't let that stop you from showing your true birther colors.

hahahaha

hahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaaha

[Nbadan]

Stupid birthers


Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

http://factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/hands.jpg

http://factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/signature.jpg

http://factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/seal.jpg


The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

Fact check (http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html)

Let's drop the BS...this isn't about a birth certificate, its about Obama being black....no other President has had to prove that he was born in the U.S.

Obama Has.

[Parker2112]

Stupid birthers



http://factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/hands.jpg

http://factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/signature.jpg

http://factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/seal.jpg



Fact check (http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html)

Let's drop the BS...this isn't about a birth certificate, its about Obama being black....no other President has had to prove that he was born in the U.S.

Obama Has.

Horseshit.

Its known that he spent considerable time overseas at a very early age. Its an issue.

And EVERY president has had to prove they were born in the US.

And Obama still refuses to erase all doubts. If the Certification of Live Birth isnt conclusive in a court of law, then why is it conclusive here? None of you can answer that, because there is no good reason. Yet sheep accept it as conclusory, because your fucking told to. wtf.

Sure some racist jackasses use this as a means of pursuing him out of office, but the validity and transparency of our govt means something to others as well, those who see the reigns on govt as loose and free, and the stagecoach heading for a cliff...

[Parker2112]

Read the damn document:
If the Certification of Live Birth isnt conclusive in a court of law, then why is it conclusive here?

[Parker2112]

Stupider sheep...

glad I could school you...

[ChumpDumper]

Thats not a birth certificate. it is a certification of live birth.:lol


read at the bottom. it says "prima facie evidence in a court of law." If it was a birth certificate, its more than prima facie. its conclusive evidence.:lmao
Stupider sheep...

glad I could school you...:rollin

[PublicOption]

Read the damn document:
If the Certification of Live Birth isnt conclusive in a court of law, then why is it conclusive here?


hey, fuckhead his mom is from Kansas=American. he came out of her womb=American.

...............and you can't question that....what is your fucking malfunction.

[Wild Cobra]

So if his home state says "you dont need to see the original, we will certify that it happened the way he says...thats enough?

This leaves room for crooks and thieves to jimmy the system. Regardless of whether this president has been dishonest. Which is why you should have to produce your original birth certificate to sit as the leader of the free world. its too sensitive to allow exceptions
I suppose in your conspiracy theory world, someone went back in time to report to the local newspaper, and put his name in the live births section.

[Wild Cobra]

Horseshit.

Its known that he spent considerable time overseas at a very early age. Its an issue.

And EVERY president has had to prove they were born in the US.

And Obama still refuses to erase all doubts. If the Certification of Live Birth isnt conclusive in a court of law, then why is it conclusive here? None of you can answer that, because there is no good reason. Yet sheep accept it as conclusory, because your fucking told to. wtf.

Sure some racist jackasses use this as a means of pursuing him out of office, but the validity and transparency of our govt means something to others as well, those who see the reigns on govt as loose and free, and the stagecoach heading for a cliff...
So what?

Time spent in the USA is not a criteria. I wish we could disqualify the incompetent jackass, but he meets the qualifications as required by law.

[Wild Cobra]

oh and I want to see McCain's birth certificate because I'm not sure he was born in the U.S. controlled zone in Panama!

oh wait it doesn't matter because McCain is [old]
I would say for that matter, Obama is more qualified. It would be far easier to question McCain's legitimacy for citizenship by birth.

[Wild Cobra]

the reason obama doesn't show the original copy of his birth certificate is because by law he doesn't have to -- and frankly it's fucking insulting for him (or anyone) to seriously entertain birthers' whacked-out, baseless accusations that are motivated by, at best, partisanship
I agree to some aspect, except I think he doesn't show it because he likes how stupid the argument makes people look. You know, people like Parker.

[Parker2112]

Education for jackasses:

So you want to be president? Forget the nerves of steel, the charisma, the skeleton-free closet, the fund-raising network, the thick skin and the legions of loyal folks who agree with your stance on all the issues. Just to get into the game, you have to ask: How old are you and where were you born?


Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States

[Galileo]

When is the Kenyan gonna release his birth certificate?

[MannyIsGod]

remind me why applicants for jobs can be legally made to piss in a bottle...

You can refuse to piss in a bottle.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

This thread is too good.

[Parker2112]

You can refuse to piss in a bottle.

Then you would no longer be an applicant.

[PublicOption]

Education for jackasses:
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fuckhead if he father resided here for school, or work and his mother is from Kansas he still and American by parents.

not to mention the fact you ignorant bastard, he was born in Honolulu, HI.
in 1961.


I think Hawaii is state of the U.S.A.

so he is a citizen by birth and by blood......what an asshole.

[ChumpDumper]

Education for jackasses:Whichever jackass wrote that was very wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

Then you would no longer be an applicant.

And?

[Parker2112]

fuckhead if he father resided here for school, or work and his mother is from Kansas he still and American by parents.

not to mention the fact you ignorant bastard, he was born in Honolulu, HI.
in 1961.


I think Hawaii is state of the U.S.A.

so he is a citizen by birth and by blood......what an asshole.

cover up, your bloomers are showing :wow

[Parker2112]

Whichever jackass wrote that was very wrong.

Educate yourself: look up the difference between prima facie and conclusive evidence.

With this in your belt, you'll go far in understanding this issue... beyond just owning an opinion. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Educate yourself: look up the difference between prima facie and conclusive evidence.

With this in your belt, you'll go far in understanding this issue... beyond just owning an opinion. :toastLook up prima facie again.

For the first time.

And I wasn't even talking about that. Educate yourself about your own post I linked. And I don't mean copy a post from the abovetopsecret forums that was completely wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

OK, Parker. Tell me: What evidence do you have to contradict the prima facie evidence that is Obama's birth certificate?

[Parker2112]

Look up prima facie again.

For the first time.

And I wasn't even talking about that. Educate yourself about your own post I linked. And I don't mean copy a post from the abovetopsecret forums that was completely wrong.

i dont have to look it up. it means on its face. It creates a presumption. But it is rebuttable. Conclusive evidence is not rebuttable.

You could rebut a valid certification of live birth. You cant rebut a valid birth certificate.
..its conclusive. You can only attack its authenticity.

Think this through, Chump.

[Parker2112]

OK, Parker. Tell me: What evidence do you have to contradict the prima facie evidence that is Obama's birth certificate?

I dont need to be arguing this in an internet discussion.

THATS THE WHOLE DAMN POINT.

Give me conclusive or give me death. :sleep

[Wild Cobra]

Parker, for being a self described libertarian, how does "guilty until proven innocent" fit into your beliefs?

[Parker2112]

Parker, for being a self described libertarian, how does "guilty until proven innocent" fit into your beliefs?

dont even get me started on "self-described libertarian" WC...you need to turn in your libertarian card last week :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I dont need to be arguing this in an internet discussion.

THATS THE WHOLE DAMN POINT.

Give me conclusive or give me death. :sleepSo you don't have anything to contradict the prima facie evidence.

That's the whole damn point.

Does this mean you are going to kill yourself now?

[Wild Cobra]

dont even get me started on "self-described libertarian" WC...you need to turn in your libertarian card last week :lol
Just answer the part about your concept of guilty until proven innocent. You know, that's one reason we had the revolutionary war.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I hate to get all metaphysical, but wouldn't conclusive evidence for any person be first-hand experience?

[Parker2112]

So you don't have anything to contradict the prima facie evidence.

That's the whole damn point.

Does this mean you are going to kill yourself now?

If eligibility comes into question, our elected officials should be more than happen to piss in the bottle. We the public should be more than justified in asking for the piss test, and waiting on the results. And they should provide it with a smile.

And if you claim the burden is on the taxpayer to prove ineligibility (which only a brainwashed sheep would do), then you fuck your argument harder, because the public has no acces to this document, and Obama and the govt do. Burden on them again. Let he with access be made to prove the matter.

And by your argument, public policy would be undermined completely, because govt officials could game the system all day every day.

Brainwashed and fucked-by-gov always your motto, Chump?

[Parker2112]

I hate to get all metaphysical, but wouldn't conclusive evidence for any person be first-hand experience?

In court, a judge is bound in certain cirumstances to instruct the jury that it MUST find certain facts as true. That is conclusive evidence.

[Parker2112]

Just answer the part about your concept of guilty until proven innocent. You know, that's one reason we had the revolutionary war.

this isn't a criminal charge.

[Wild Cobra]

I hate to get all metaphysical, but wouldn't conclusive evidence for any person be first-hand experience?
You're right, and that's why Parker will never be satisfied.

[Wild Cobra]

this isn't a criminal charge.
Agreed. However, the way you carry on about it, it may as well be. Besides, your notion that he must prove he is a citizen equates to he must prove he didn't conspire in a crime of forgery or worse.

[Oh, Gee!!]

In court, a judge is bound in certain cirumstances to instruct the jury that it MUST find certain facts as true. That is conclusive evidence.

wouldn't the same be true for "un-rebutted" prima facie evidence?

[ChumpDumper]

wouldn't the same be true for "un-rebutted" prima facie evidence?We have a winner.

lol brainwashed

lol sheep

lol wake up

[PublicOption]

I hate to get all metaphysical, but wouldn't conclusive evidence for any person be first-hand experience?



:lol

Yeah, if none of us were there for the birth itself, it will always be in doubt and douchbag who started this thread will never be satisfied. tinfoil hats for everyone, because NONE of us witnessed the ACTUAL birth.

:lmao