The Official Jefferson and Bonner Complaint Thread

[hater]

:pctoss

[urunobili]

surreal you forgot how he won the series against Dallas last season... calm down please

[hater]

ship that motherfucker out of here. A Dleaguer would do a much better job

[Mal]

You`ve got too high expectations of him. With his number of touches he`s doing fair enough.

[hater]

You`ve got too high expectations of him. With his number of touches he`s doing fair enough.

- Dick missed open 3
- Dick steps out of bounds
- Dick missed open 3
- Dick missed layup

that's your expectations?? BTW those plays are within 5 mins in 2nd quarter :bang

[DesignatedT]

2-3 from 3 and 3 boards isn't bad. What are you expecting? stfu already

[Mal]

But everybody expect from him, that without Duncan, he will step in , and become 3rd option. He`s trying and mistakes happen. That`s all.

[hater]

He`s trying and mistakes happen.

:lol :lol

[Mal]

Need example ? Someone here said that Jefferson missed two open 3s. But he`s 2/3 from beyond the arc. Mistake, that happen when you are trying hard to prove your point.

[Rummpd]

Bench him and Blair and start Novak. Spurs would have two-three taller players and then try Green, Anderson or even this De Sean Butler some and Neal can also fill in some. Maybe RJ would also get pissed coming off the bench and get some mojo back going against some scrubs - he defers way too much.

[hater]

Nico Batum destroying Dick

[Ditty]

really he is a 4th option on this team chill out bro,he fucked up on that layup but never really had a great angle in the 1st place, his defense is good, there is no one with his size to play the small forward.

[hater]

so mediocrity is fine. Hey, ppl fuck up. We really have a chance in the playoffs with mediocrity

:rolleyes

[cheguevara]

fuck you motherfucker.

stop bitchin. Pop is throwing the games

[Rummpd]

fuck you motherfucker.

stop bitchin. Pop is throwing the games

You might have a real legit Pop conspiracy theory going there.

[wildbill2u]

:pctoss I was following the game on Yahoo's Game Channel which shows the box score and updates it and comments on the action as the game goes on. It also has the players in the game in bold.

For a long stretch in the 4th, there were only four players in bold. Jefferson's name wasn't listed.

And the game comments on rebounds, shots, assists, TOs, etc never showed that he touched the ball or contributed in any way--even TOs. It was as though we were playing with 4 on 5. Weird.

[KuntryDude]

this one is not on RJ dudes. Pop blew this one by his lonesome.....of course w/ bonehead plays by Tony, Manu, and that fag a Novak

[Cane]

Tony Parker was the biggest disgrace of the game. 8 fucking turnovers and terrible decisions all game. RJ still defended and rebounded.

[underdawg]

this one is not on RJ dudes. Pop blew this one by his lonesome.....of course w/ bonehead plays by Tony, Manu, and that fag a Novak

Novak made a horrible pass, but he shouldn't have been in there in the first place.

Small ball worked for about 2 minutes and then over time (as usual) Spurs players get tired. Those Manu and Tony errors were strictly from being worn out - that's all because of their effort on defense in the small ball lineup.

Pop can't kick the habit - he's hooked and it might keep the Spurs from going deep in the playoffs.

[IronMexican]

:lmao the amount of mad hater is letting off is over 9000

[DPG21920]

RJ has sucked this year just as bad as last year. But, he had a really good 3rd quarter IMO. If he can do that, he'd be fine, but he won't be aggressive. I don't know what it is. He has the tools.

[timtonymanu]

I actually thought RJ was good today. He rebounded well and hit his shots. George Hill too.

[Waps1980]

Some of the stats people state in this thread wtf did you make them up.
RJ had 3/4 3 pts 4/7 overall shooting
& 6 rebounds
Not bad for RJ with limited touches
We need to get him putting up 12-15 shots a game with Duncan out.

[in2deep]

worthless man.

most experienced spur and misses 2 key fts

I given up on this guy

[in2deep]

and a stupid foul at the end :(

[4>0rings]

This fuck can be a #1 option with the starters out and this fuck is still limp.

[hater]

Dick was the worst on the floor. And that's in a team of mostly rooks, scrubs and 12th men

[GrandeDavid]

Jefferson, Neal and Bonner were so terrible in the 4th.

[DontStopBelieving]

SHOULD NEVER BE ON THE FUCKING COURT IN THE 4TH QUARTER.

Fucking pussies

[Spurs Brazil]

Jefferson was awful. I can't believe we have to see this MOFO 3 more years in Spurs uniform

[urunobili]

just when Green was warming up Pop brings Dick back in... :depressed

[Spurs Brazil]

Good news is Hill is back so we'll not need to see Jefferson closing games in the playoffs

[Cessation]

Don't forget bonner, hes such a huge pussy, he actually runs away from the ball, incase he might make contact with one of the players.

[ElNono]

I'll take Dany Green, tbh... lot cheaper too

[spurtech09]

meltdown.....

[Bito Corleone]

Spurs missing 4 starters and RJ only takes 5 shots? I understand him not shooting much when he's the 4th option, but 5 shots tonight is inexcusable. Step the fuck up already and earn your paycheck...faggot.

[DMC]

Pop wants a West-less Hornets in the 1st round instead of the Grizz.

[Sigz]

Give me a fucking break.


Get the fuck over yourselves. These are some of the WORST players in the entire league.

I'm sick of watching T-rex white boy run up and down the court while looking over at Pop to see if he's doing okay. I'm also sick and tired of watching him clank three's off the rim.



I'm sick of Dick playing like he's got a dry vagina. This dude is fucking pathetic. He's WORSE than last season. If you can't see that, you're gay.

[nkdlunch]

:lol

it's true Bonner keeps checking Pop "am I running in the right direction coach?"

[weebo]

Pop wants a West-less Hornets in the 1st round instead of the Grizz.
Loser mentality. A championship caliber team shouldn't have to worry who they have to face in the first round.

[nkdlunch]

Loser mentality. A championship caliber team shouldn't have to worry who they have to face in the first round.

Pop is realistic. He knows we ain't that

[Sean Cagney]

Yes some idiots on here like Bonner and make excuses for him in threads ! I am sure they won't right now, but as soon as he hits a freakin few threes against some bum team they will be back and point at his PCT for the year! F that shyt, he is horrible, flat out bum and worthless at everything now! He needs to quit.

[spurtech09]

people need to calm down lol

[Bito Corleone]

Pop wants a West-less Hornets in the 1st round instead of the Grizz.Then he better fucking hope that the Spurs keep the #1 seed...You really see NO staying above MEM with David West out and MEM playing the way they have?

[Mugen]

the worst fucking thing i saw from him tonight is 2 loose balls in his vicinity and the son of a bitch didnt even try for it.

if he's at least not going to give you any type of hustle then you sit his ass at the end of the bench for the rest of the season.

[DMC]

Could you imagine Boner trying to coordinate gathering the ball on the run? He cannot even move and think at the same time.

[baseline bum]

Spurs gotta make a play for Luke Walton this summer. Look at the effect boning Kim Kardashian has had on Kris Humphries' game.

[Sigz]

I swear to my lord, Becky Hammon would be more of a help to this team than that fucking ginger.

She'd also do more good for the team than that gay guy who shaves his head because he's bald.

[ChumpDumper]

Threads like these mitigate the losses a bit.

[Spurs Brazil]

Bruce with 40 years would help more than Jefferson

[Cessation]

the worst fucking thing i saw from him tonight is 2 loose balls in his vicinity and the son of a bitch didnt even try for it.

if he's at least not going to give you any type of hustle then you sit his ass at the end of the bench for the rest of the season.

I saw that too, I couldn't believe that, since I'm used to seeing guys diving for loose balls in the nba. I agree with everything in this quality thread. Retards would rather watch the stat instead of games, and say ...but but but... he was shooting 50 percent in january... who gives a fuck? What has he done in the playffs, when the pressure is on and every posession counts. Nothing, and it isn't going to change this year, its not hard to see what bonner is all about.

[thOOdee]

BONNER.......not even a nba caliber player.....lucky he sucks pops gonads to get quality minutes.

[ElNono]

lol @ Andre Miller running faster than ginger for a loose ball...

[Sigz]

http://fanshots.com/img/original/Photo/14828.b9c4a66c2fbd77e1055f4678af99ee90.jpg

[tdunk21]

i support them only coz they wear a spur uniform.....

[Sigz]

what the fuckkk?

[4>0rings]

This red headed doucher is going to cost this city MILLIONS in revenue if Bonner continues to play. We will be another 1st/2nd round bouncer whether the Spurs have their starters back or not. All that money lost from the Western finals and maybe the NBA finals.

The mayor needs to throw some heat down on Bonner or Pop, red flag their tax returns, revoke their parking spots or something.

[Sigz]

i support them only coz they wear a spur uniform.....

Take off your homer glasses. They are blinding you.

Fact is, they make this team fucking suck.

[Mugen]

but but but he hit a 3 against the Wolves and the Warriors so he must be fucking clutch......Bonner shitting on the haters.....bull fucking shit.

[4>0rings]

Not a dime and

http://schoolloans.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/money_tree.jpg

[Sigz]

Look at this little dickhead.

Amassing over eighteen - THOUSAND posts??????????


What a fucking LOSER. Get a life and get back at me bro. :lol :lol

[NRHector]

gold digger

[Caeman]

i support them only coz they wear a spur uniform.....

Some shouldn't be wearing the uniform...

[Sigz]

Okay maybe a nickle. Still better lookin' that 63% of US women.

[jjktkk]

I support the team. Bonner is just being Bonner. RJ, the guy has been shit ever since he donned the Spurs uniform, but I still support him and the rest of the team.

[Cessation]

She's fine, got some titties too. If you were making 4 mil a year, you could have her too.

[admiralsnackbar]

Threads like these mitigate the losses a bit.
:lol

[Sigz]

I'm sure she likes his eco friendly car.

[honestfool84]

:lmao

Spurs fans are hilarious.

[Sigz]

I support the team. Bonner is just being Bonner. RJ, the guy has been shit ever since he donned the Spurs uniform, but I still support him and the rest of the team.

Would you support the team if Wilson from 'Home Improvement' was fucking your wife and riding the bench next to Tiago?

Didn't think so nigga.

[GrandeDavid]

Threads like these mitigate the losses a bit.

:rollin

[ATXSPUR]

My sig = Dime piece

Bonner's girl just qualifies as a cutie.

[baseline bum]

Sean Elliott could probably do more at the three right now.

[Kori Ellis]

Put your complaints in here and stop making numerous threads about it.

[4>0rings]

Yes, this thread was badly needed. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing an official Pop complaint thread.

[Sean Cagney]

I am not a huge fan of RJ, those two misses from FT tonight were huge IMO! I hate Bonner though, every year we see him so so early on and hit some threes, later on some idiots support him and say he is this and that, but he is nothing! He is this and what we see, he is garbage period end of story. Prove me wrong? I don't want to hear it I see it and know he is trash.

[Killakobe81]

Spurs gotta make a play for Luke Walton this summer. Look at the effect boning Kim Kardashian has had on Kris Humphries' game.

ROFL ...
RJ did suck ass this was his chance and Hill stepped in to the void.

[Cessation]

Why regulate the bonner/dick hate? Its well justified.

[ElNono]

Don't forget Richard was playing for a contract last season... he got paid now... crofl

[Sean Cagney]

Jefferson, Neal and Bonner were so terrible in the 4th.

Yeah but Neal has some heart and tries his ass off out there! He is a baller! Them two? HAHHAHHAHAHHA:rollin:rollin:rollin, they are puss.

[5in10]

TBH neal cost us this game more than anyone else. completely ruined our offensive flow and has the biggest negative +/- on the team with a -16. He turned GH3 into the unaggressive player we've seen all year.

[Cessation]

Everyone got scared last 5 minutes, even hill, only neal wanted to take shots.

[ElNono]

Neal missed shots, but at least he had the balls to take em... Hill just stopped going to the rack... tbh, I think he was gassed a bit... back2back games with heavy minutes for him...

[Mugen]

Don't forget Richard was playing for a contract last season... he got paid now... crofl

Jesus christ, thats what he called playing for a contract.

[Cessation]

TBH neal cost us this game more than anyone else. completely ruined our offensive flow and has the biggest negative +/- on the team with a -16. He turned GH3 into the unaggressive player we've seen all year.

Nah, when hill subbed in the fourth, he had no energy, maybe he was tired. He was definetly not as aggressive as before, so neal started taking shots. Its not the first time hill got passive. He's been like this all year.

[Mugen]

Neal missed shots, but at least he had the balls to take em... Hill just stopped going to the rack... tbh, I think he was gassed a bit... back2back games with heavy minutes for him...

no problem with Hill being gassed at the end and with Batum on him.

Neal went into chucker mode but they were wide open shots that he couldnt really pass up.

he gets a pass because he actually made some shots at the start of the 4th and competed on the boards with his clearouts.

[Trimble87]

Neal took some questionable shots... But in a game where we were missing 4 key players I don't mind him shooting so much. I'm glad hes confident and willing to take the shots, he missed them tonight but we need him to carry that confidence into the playoffs. I also cant get too mad at Hill, because without him the last two games wouldn't have even been close.

I posted this in Sequ's thread earlier, I'll copy it to the offical complaints thread... Regarding Bonner and Jefferson returning in the 4th:

"Is Blair in Pop's doghouse? I know he still plays like a rookie a lot of the time, but at least he is active on D and rebounds like a beast. Opposed to Bonner who was not shooting tonight and has no effect on any other aspect of the game. I feel bad for Matt because he does seem to try hard, but his 2ft 3in wing span and no athletic ability make it IMPOSSIBLE to guard NBA quality big men. As for Dick Jefferson, what to say? He has played like garbage for the last 2 months. 4 points and 5 fouls for the game while Green is hustling and Anderson is looking confident in his shot. WHY. WHY WHY WHY WHY put RJ back into the game?!

I have never been this frustrated with the Spurs (past 4 games) in the regular season. /rant"

[DMC]

The Spurs lost all energy when they lost the lead. That's the difference between stars and role players, or experience/titles and the lack thereof.

[DMC]

TBH neal cost us this game more than anyone else. completely ruined our offensive flow and has the biggest negative +/- on the team with a -16. He turned GH3 into the unaggressive player we've seen all year.

No

[Sean Cagney]

Neal took some questionable shots... But in a game where we were missing 4 key players I don't mind him shooting so much. I'm glad hes confident and willing to take the shots, he missed them tonight but we need him to carry that confidence into the playoffs. I also cant get too mad at Hill, because without him the last two games wouldn't have even been close.

I posted this in Sequ's thread earlier, I'll copy it to the offical complaints thread... Regarding Bonner and Jefferson returning in the 4th:

"Is Blair in Pop's doghouse? I know he still plays like a rookie a lot of the time, but at least he is active on D and rebounds like a beast. Opposed to Bonner who was not shooting tonight and has no effect on any other aspect of the game. I feel bad for Matt because he does seem to try hard, but his 2ft 3in wing span and no athletic ability make it IMPOSSIBLE to guard NBA quality big men. As for Dick Jefferson, what to say? He has played like garbage for the last 2 months. 4 points and 5 fouls for the game while Green is hustling and Anderson is looking confident in his shot. WHY. WHY WHY WHY WHY put RJ back into the game?!

I have never been this frustrated with the Spurs (past 4 games) in the regular season. /rant"

Yeah Bonner tries but he is just not good at all! No skills at all sides the wide open three earlier in the year, he just does not HAVE IT, not IT at all! NO IT IN HIS GAME and he is not a big mins dude! He is that red head dude on Boston Brian SCALAB whatever his name is, nothing more or less and needs little mins if any at times.

[Buddy Holly]

Jefferson fucking sucks! He sucks so fucking hard, luke walton has an orgasm every time the spurs play!

[spurtech09]

Well if your rooting for bonner and rf than that makes you a true spurs fan....people need to calm down its not the end of the world....I root for everyone on the spurs...

[Sean Cagney]

Well if your rooting for bonner and rf than that makes you a true spurs fan....people need to calm down its not the end of the world....I root for everyone on the spurs...

I DO TOO! BUT some suck so bad it's hard to see them out there lately.

[DMC]

http://fanshots.com/img/original/Photo/14828.b9c4a66c2fbd77e1055f4678af99ee90.jpg

His big, fat, well hewn bank account

[xellos88330]

I support those guys because they wear silver and black. It is that simple. I would rather cheer for them to have a good game, than to completely write them off. I support the TEAM. I mean after all, the Spurs are still #1 in the NBA at the moment, and they are members of the team that see minutes. Perhaps they are doing something right? It takes a TEAM to win, not individuals. How else do you explain how the Spurs have done so well?

Parker/Ginobili need screens from Bonner. Duncan needs Bonner to keep the defense honest and avoid doubles by two bigs. The whole team needs RJ in the corners to prevent the trapping of the guards.

In short, regardless of how much you may dislike the players that play for the Spurs, they are still part of the best team in the NBA even when they don't play like it.

[Mugen]

Parker/Ginobili need screens from Bonner. Duncan needs Bonner to keep the defense honest and avoid doubles by two bigs.

Bull.Shit.

[thOOdee]

o.....but bonner keeps every player honest

[xellos88330]

Bull.Shit.

How many assists have Manu and Parker had to Bonner this season based upon what I had said? How many offensive rebounds have the Spurs had because Bonner has a big playing outside of the paint?

Just sayin'.

There is a whole lot more to basketball than most seem to realize. I am not saying that he is the ONLY reason why the Spurs win, or he is the best thing since sliced bread. There are other ways to win, sure, but to say that he isn't worth a damn is completely ridiculous.

[xellos88330]

o.....but bonner keeps every player honest

Sarcasm... the tool that only dumbasses use when they can't figure anything out on their own.

If you watch the games, sure not every player who is guarding Bonner will commit only to Bonner. It does however make them think twice. In basketball (.4, .9 more recently) is critical even when you aren't forced to make a shot. I am certain Timmy, Blair, Splitter, Dyess can make their move in that short of a time. If the defense is sitting there thinking about whether he should help or not for that short of a time. Bonner has done his job.

It doesn't happen that way all of the time, then again, basketball wasn't meant to be a videogame.

[NRHector]

these 2 should be charged with grand theft becuase clearly they're stealing Mr. Holt's money right in front of our eyes, getting away with it and laughing about it :bang

[Mugen]

How many assists have Manu and Parker had to Bonner this season based upon what I had said? How many offensive rebounds have the Spurs had because Bonner has a big playing outside of the paint?

Just sayin'.

There is a whole lot more to basketball than most seem to realize. I am not saying that he is the ONLY reason why the Spurs win, or he is the best thing since sliced bread. There are other ways to win, sure, but to say that he isn't worth a damn is completely ridiculous.

I mean no offense to you at all. Because, yes in an ideal world Bonner does all those things.

But then reality sets in and you realize there's a reason opposing teams consistently attack him on the defensive end. There's a reason why hes considered a below average defender/rebound and a choker.

When he's playing like this: bricking wide-open 3s, getting outrebounded with ease, man-handled on defense, and showing a complete lack of effort for loose balls - then he is worth absolute shit to the Spurs.

i don't remember DRob/Rasho/Nazr/or Fab being able to spread the floor for Tim or Robert Horry getting absolutely raped on the boards and defensively.

I could give give a shit if Bonner hits 3-4 threes once every 5 games when he gives up more than that just on his defense and 2nd chance opportunities from those missed rebounds.

The Spurs won those championships on defense/rebounding/execution and Bonner provides absolutely none of that. Everytime Pop plays him meaningful minutes, it's a slap in the face to Tim Duncan and the championships hes given to this franchise.

[itzsoweezee]

Haha, I was listening to the Blazers broadcast on the radio, and even they were laughing at Bonner's T-Rex arms. Hilarious.

[TD 21]

Pop needs to call them both out publicly and have a talk individually with each privately. Two veteran players, who needed to step up tonight and help lead the team and they played indifferent, mentally/physically weak (it's not as if it was an aberration, either). Unacceptable.

Jefferson, they need in the playoffs. There is no alternative. But Bonner? They don't need him, because they have four other rotation bigs and a Bonner clone if they need a stretch four. Pop needs to tell him that and let him know, he's on a short leash and that if he doesn't pick up his play, he won't be in the playoff rotation.

[Budkin]

It's a goddamn shame that RJ regressed back to 09-10 form. He started off the season so well. Ugh.

[itzsoweezee]

If you watch the games, sure not every player who is guarding Bonner will commit only to Bonner. It does however make them think twice. In basketball (.4, .9 more recently) is critical even when you aren't forced to make a shot. I am certain Timmy, Blair, Splitter, Dyess can make their move in that short of a time. If the defense is sitting there thinking about whether he should help or not for that short of a time. Bonner has done his job.


Unfortunately, this slight benefit is heavily outweighed by all the negatives Bonner brings to the table. It's simply not worth it anymore.

[timtonymanu]

Well well well. RJ is back to being a soft POS.

George Hill had been struggling for a while, but when his number was called, he stepped up. RJ, for some reason, just loves to coast. I don't know why. I even said it before, you can see the hunger in the big 3 plus McDyess' eyes. I don't get that from RJ. He just looks like his mind is elsewhere. Fuck him. We don't need anymore softies on our team.

I'm not even gonna mention Bonner.

[xellos88330]

I mean no offense to you at all. Because, yes in an ideal world Bonner does all those things.

But then reality sets in and you realize there's a reason opposing teams consistently attack him on the defensive end. There's a reason why hes considered a below average defender/rebound and a choker.

When he's playing like this: bricking wide-open 3s, getting outrebounded with ease, man-handled on defense, and showing a complete lack of effort for loose balls - then he is worth absolute shit to the Spurs.

i don't remember DRob/Rasho/Nazr/or Fab being able to spread the floor for Tim or Robert Horry getting absolutely raped on the boards and defensively.

I could give give a shit if Bonner hits 3-4 threes once every 5 games when he gives up more than that just on his defense and 2nd chance opportunities from those missed rebounds.

The Spurs won those championships on defense/rebounding/execution and Bonner provides absolutely none of that. Everytime Pop plays him meaningful minutes, it's a slap in the face to Tim Duncan and the championships hes given to this franchise.

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

[spurs10]

Well the Blazers better enjoy their win, as there season won't be much longer. Again, Matt and RJ were disappointing in the 4th...especially. It was good hearing Pop singing George amd Tiago's praises. We need presence and length in the post. Tiago did a good job tonight...was appropriately bummed out after the game.

[Sean Cagney]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

ONE SIDE OF THE COURT? HOW about two the last games or so? He is not even one sides now, and he stared this early this year! Not in the playoffs but already when we needed him! He just sucks all over now. Neal his first year here, Bonner his what 5th? He is what he is, and THAT IS IT! IT! I don't support the guy unless he is a spot player, but he is not for what reason? He is shyt, he is horrible. Do not try to convince me otherwise either, Neal is limited yes, but seriously he tries hard IMO and does not let a miss or two get to him, Bonner just shrivels up late in the year and is again! He is horrible and should not get mins if he is not hitting at all and he is not.

[Mugen]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

-Of course Tim isn't in his prime, and teams rarely choose to double him anymore. So why do you need Bonner to spread the floor? You could say its for the PnR between TP/Manu but teams have begun to close out on him and they'll keep doing that in the playoffs. It's very easy to take a one trick pony like Bonner out of the game.

-Whatever he gives you on the defensive side stops being a bonus when he isn't giving you shit offensively. He's had plenty of chances to prove his doubters wrong but he's failed time and time and time again. How many chances can you give a guy who has consistently shown the same mistakes over and over again?

By all means, cheer for Bonner and i'll hope he does well because God knows he'll get the minutes. But don't expect anything different from what you've been seeing from him the last couple of weeks. Because you don't just flip a mental switch and be clutch all of a sudden or have your arms grow 4 more inches.

Hell, it's not even his fault. As people have argued over and over, it's the failure of the coaching staff to fail to realize his limitations and bench him over a legit defensive player in Splitter.

It's absolutely maddening to see this guy's shortcomings be exposed on nightly basis to the detriment of this team with nothing being done about it.

[ElNono]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

At what cost you want to prove everyone wrong? TD's twilight years?
Do you have any idea how long we're going to be out of contention (barring a miracle) once Tim hangs them up? We're wasting the last few years when he still has something left in the tank. He's not in his prime anymore, and he could use all the help he can. It's a disservice to a guy that stuck with us and carried us to 4 titles.

[Sean Cagney]

Pop needs to call them both out publicly and have a talk individually with each privately. Two veteran players, who needed to step up tonight and help lead the team and they played indifferent, mentally/physically weak (it's not as if it was an aberration, either). Unacceptable.

Jefferson, they need in the playoffs. There is no alternative. But Bonner? They don't need him, because they have four other rotation bigs and a Bonner clone if they need a stretch four. Pop needs to tell him that and let him know, he's on a short leash and that if he doesn't pick up his play, he won't be in the playoff rotation.

LOL yeah RIGHT, POOP is in love with this bum for some reason? I don't get it but he is!

[itzsoweezee]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

I think it's pathetic that you have to resort to even comparing the two. Nevertheless, Neal is a much better defender than Bonner. Neal is also much more versatile than Bonner on offense.

[ElNono]

Not to mention that Neal is not defending at the rim...

[ElNono]

Pop needs to call them both out publicly and have a talk individually with each privately. Two veteran players, who needed to step up tonight and help lead the team and they played indifferent, mentally/physically weak (it's not as if it was an aberration, either). Unacceptable.

Jefferson, they need in the playoffs. There is no alternative. But Bonner? They don't need him, because they have four other rotation bigs and a Bonner clone if they need a stretch four. Pop needs to tell him that and let him know, he's on a short leash and that if he doesn't pick up his play, he won't be in the playoff rotation.

They're mental midgets as it is... Pop calling them out might just completely shut them down...

[Mugen]

They're mental midgets as it is... Pop calling them out might just completely shut them down...

remember when Pop preached accountability on this team?

:lmao going from some of the clutchest role players like Bowen/Horry to RJ/Bonner.

[xellos88330]

I think it's pathetic that you have to resort to even comparing the two. Nevertheless, Neal is a much better defender than Bonner. Neal is also much more versatile than Bonner on offense.

What is really pathetic is the fact that people cannot take the bad along with the good. If you truly are a fan of the Spurs you have to be able to take what they can or can't give you. Ignoring what they can do because they can't do other things is ridiculous.

Bonner is a ROLE player. He plays his role pretty damn well. He isn't asked to grab 10 rebounds a game. He isn't asked to block two shots every night. He isn't asked to be a lock down defender. He isn't asked to score 20ppg. He is asked to do what he can to help the team win. Unfortunately for those craving the front line of years past, he doesn't give what the fans want. Everyone thinks he should be like Horry, Mohammed, Rasho, DRob. Wake up call... he isn't. He is Matt Bonner, a different kind of ROLE player than the Spurs had in years past.

Would I like to have someone like a Robert Horry instead of Matt Bonner? Perhaps, but why change what has been working the whole season.

What was their record before Duncans injury? Was Matt Bonner playing on the Spurs during that stretch?

Think about it...

[Sean Cagney]

What is really pathetic is the fact that people cannot take the bad along with the good. If you truly are a fan of the Spurs you have to be able to take what they can or can't give you. Ignoring what they can do because they can't do other things is ridiculous.

Bonner is a ROLE player. He plays his role pretty damn well. He isn't asked to grab 10 rebounds a game. He isn't asked to block two shots every night. He isn't asked to be a lock down defender. He isn't asked to score 20ppg. He is asked to do what he can to help the team win. Unfortunately for those craving the front line of years past, he doesn't give what the fans want. Everyone thinks he should be like Horry, Mohammed, Rasho, DRob. Wake up call... he isn't. He is Matt Bonner, a different kind of ROLE player than the Spurs had in years past.

Would I like to have someone like a Robert Horry instead of Matt Bonner? Perhaps, but why change what has been working the whole season.

What was their record before Duncans injury? Was Matt Bonner playing on the Spurs during that stretch?

Think about it...

Do not compare him to Horry again! AT ALL! Please! What was their record without Bonner? I am serious too look it up! Did they miss him at all? He has not hit shots in a while, and will not IMO later, he is what he is please stop it! He is BoNNER! F IN MATT BONNER the non athletic dude who can't hit late in the year.

u can rob Bonner with him being home around playoff timehe'll try to shoot u and miss every time.

[xellos88330]

At what cost you want to prove everyone wrong? TD's twilight years?
Do you have any idea how long we're going to be out of contention (barring a miracle) once Tim hangs them up? We're wasting the last few years when he still has something left in the tank. He's not in his prime anymore, and he could use all the help he can. It's a disservice to a guy that stuck with us and carried us to 4 titles.

Come on man. The playoffs haven't even started and you are acting like this game cost the Spurs the championship. Bonner has been good enough for the Spurs, even when other teams exploit his weaknesses. Does that mean anything to anyone?

[itzsoweezee]

What is really pathetic is the fact that people cannot take the bad along with the good. If you truly are a fan of the Spurs you have to be able to take what they can or can't give you. Ignoring what they can do because they can't do other things is ridiculous.

Bonner is a ROLE player. He plays his role pretty damn well. He isn't asked to grab 10 rebounds a game. He isn't asked to block two shots every night. He isn't asked to be a lock down defender. He isn't asked to score 20ppg. He is asked to do what he can to help the team win. Unfortunately for those craving the front line of years past, he doesn't give what the fans want. Everyone thinks he should be like Horry, Mohammed, Rasho, DRob. Wake up call... he isn't. He is Matt Bonner, a different kind of ROLE player than the Spurs had in years past.

Would I like to have someone like a Robert Horry instead of Matt Bonner? Perhaps, but why change what has been working the whole season.

What was their record before Duncans injury? Was Matt Bonner playing on the Spurs during that stretch?

Think about it...


He's more than a role player. Per the minutes doled out by Popovich, he's the most important big man on the team after Duncan. THAT is the issue here. If he were a mere role player, all of this would be moot.

[xellos88330]

Do not compare him to Horry again! AT ALL! Please! What was their record without Bonner? I am serious too look it up! Did they miss him at all? He has not hit shots in a while, and will not IMO later, he is what he is please stop it! He is BoNNER! F IN MATT BONNER the non athletic dude who can't hit late in the year.

I didn't compare him to Horry. If I did compare him, I would have have said, "Bonner is in the same class as Robert Horry." I am not saying that. Everyone bashing Bonner is comparing him to Horry. Everything they want from Bonner is what Horry brought to the team. Yes, even you are comparing him to Horry whether you think you aren't. I am enjoying what Bonner CAN bring to the table, and not wishing he was someone else.

[Sean Cagney]

Come on man. The playoffs haven't even started and you are acting like this game cost the Spurs the championship. Bonner has been good enough for the Spurs, even when other teams exploit his weaknesses. Does that mean anything to anyone?

LOL get real man what did he do when we needed him most? NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL! SPLITTER STEPPED UP BIG and Hill too, but Bonner? LOL come on bruh he is shyt and you know it.

[Sean Cagney]

I didn't compare him to Horry. If I did compare him, I would have have said, "Bonner is in the same class as Robert Horry." I am not saying that. Everyone bashing Bonner is comparing him to Horry. Everything they want from Bonner is what Horry brought to the team. Yes, even you are comparing him to Horry whether you think you aren't. I am enjoying what Bonner CAN bring to the table, and not wishing he was someone else.

What has he done in the last 7 games or so? NOTHING! Yet he still is out there with mins in crunch time! He is him, he is what he is.

[xellos88330]

He's more than a role player. Per the minutes doled out by Popovich, he's the most important big man on the team after Duncan. THAT is the issue here. If he were a mere role player, all of this would be moot.

How many minutes he is playing doesn't change the fact that he is a role player. Rasho/Mohammed/Horry/Oberto were role players asked to defend/rebound (Horry to stretch the floor as well). They all played heavy minutes too.

Mohammed, Oberto were starters. They had a role to fill and filled it nicely. Bonners role is simply different than theirs was. He fills it out quite well too.

[ElNono]

Come on man. The playoffs haven't even started and you are acting like this game cost the Spurs the championship. Bonner has been good enough for the Spurs, even when other teams exploit his weaknesses. Does that mean anything to anyone?

This game? I've been pointing out Bonner's mediocrity for the past three seasons.
Some people are just catching up. This guy folds under pressure like no other, and it's a turnstile on defense. You couldn't possibly convince me that's "by design".

I don't care how well he shoots the 3 during the regular season, his average scoring is simply circa 8ppg, and for the life of me he gives up as much or more on the other end. Not to mention that he has to be amongst the worst 6'10 rebounders in this league.

Since Bowen retired, our perimeter defense has taken a severe nosedive, which has put a lot more pressure on our interior defense. Coupled with Tim's decline, what we've been needing is MORE help for Tim, not less. The guy is an automatic mismatch when he's on the floor.

But I guess we're just gonna play the 3 point lottery and see if we get lucky... I wanted something better for Tim's encore, tbh.

[xellos88330]

What has he done in the last 7 games or so? NOTHING! Yet he still is out there with mins in crunch time! He is him, he is what he is.

So it is ok for Manu/Parker/Neal to chuck up shots, turn the ball over, and not look for teammates because it was all Bonner's fault?

Get real.

[Sean Cagney]

So it is ok for Manu/Parker/Neal to chuck up shots, turn the ball over, and not look for teammates because it was all Bonner's fault?

Get real.

Come on they do alot more overall than he does! Stop it! Are yo serious there? You are not serious are you? He is what he is, he is a choker in games later in the year, he just started early this year. Is Splitter not better? I am serious too? Bonner is not a role player the way he is used, he is a key player but does not deliver for the team time and time again later in the year, he is what he is.

Why the fuck do you want this clown to get mins like he will turn it around? They all can, but he will not and it's proven time and again! Neal is a rookie Splitter is too, have they choked yet in the playoffs? NOT YET, let them get time, Bonner has run his course he is not good.

[ElNono]

And your OP is so full of shit, xellos... We all support the team. I want Bonner and RJ to do well, but if they don't do well, then I'm not going to shut up. I've called out Tony, Manu and TD when they fessed up too, it just happens that they do so a lot less often.

Your assessment of Bonner's role is also mediocre. Tim rarely gets double teams anymore against good teams. The reality is that we have such a good record because our big 3 were finally all healthy to start the season, and as Kori pointed out, we had a few fluke wins we didn't deserve. We also had a guy like Neal stepping up and RJ shooting a fluke 60% in the first couple of months.

It was obvious even then that was not going to last.

[xellos88330]

This game? I've been pointing out Bonner's mediocrity for the past three seasons.
Some people are just catching up. This guy folds under pressure like no other, and it's a turnstile on defense. You couldn't possibly convince me that's "by design".

I don't care how well he shoots the 3 during the regular season, his average scoring is simply circa 8ppg, and for the life of me he gives up as much or more on the other end. Not to mention that he has to be amongst the worst 6'10 rebounders in this league.

Since Bowen retired, our perimeter defense has taken a severe nosedive, which has put a lot more pressure on our interior defense. Coupled with Tim's decline, what we've been needing is MORE help for Tim, not less. The guy is an automatic mismatch when he's on the floor.

But I guess we're just gonna play the 3 point lottery and see if we get lucky... I wanted something better for Tim's encore, tbh.

It isn't by design. His weakness is on the defensive side of the ball. I completely understand and agree with that. Why do you think the Spurs decided to go with a more offensive style this year? That IS by design. They aren't built to be the lockdown defensive team they once were. Pop is taking advantage of what the players he does have can do. Score the ball. Would you rather have a system completely reliant on defense when Matt Bonner (Blair is also lacking in this area) is on the court? It would be a disaster of epic proportions. Last season the Spurs tried the defensive style. It didn't work. The year before that, it didn't work. They just didn't have those kinds of players. What killed the Spurs was their offense.

[ElNono]

BTW, I fully assume we're rolling with Bonner and I'll be cursing at the TV.

[ElNono]

It isn't by design. His weakness is on the defensive side of the ball. I completely understand and agree with that. Why do you think the Spurs decided to go with a more offensive style this year? That IS by design. They aren't built to be the lockdown defensive team they once were. Pop is taking advantage of what the players he does have can do. Score the ball. Would you rather have a system completely reliant on defense when Matt Bonner (Blair is also lacking in this area) is on the court? It would be a disaster of epic proportions. Last season the Spurs tried the defensive style. It didn't work. The year before that, it didn't work. They just didn't have those kinds of players. What killed the Spurs was their offense.

You can't say 'they didn't have those kind of players' when Pop is the VP of the organization and actively went and signed up both Bonner and RJ. Not only we overpaid for those turds, we overplay them too. This roster was put together by them. You can't remove responsibility from them.

As far as 'Score the ball', you need balance. You can score a lot, but if you don't have at least some defense to fall back to when the ball isn't going in (inevitable), or when you really need a stop, then you're no better than SSOL. Considering we have basically no decent perimeter defender, and that you don't want to sit Manu or Tony, you can't afford not to have two good interior defenders, especially when one is on the decline (or two, if you count Dice). This was somewhat masked when Bowen was around, but now that he's gone, you can't hide from it.

I also want to add that Bonner isn't the only problem. He's just the most obvious weakest link, and has consistently been since being given meaningful minutes.

[crc21209]

Ehh..I can deal with RJ more than Bonner. Bonner needs to fall off the face of the Earth...:lol

[Isitjustme?]

RJ is on a straight nose dive, if he gets even worse over the next three years watch out :depressed

[xellos88330]

And your OP is so full of shit, xellos... We all support the team. I want Bonner and RJ to do well, but if they don't do well, then I'm not going to shut up. I've called out Tony, Manu and TD when they fessed up too, it just happens that they do so a lot less often.

Your assessment of Bonner's role is also mediocre. Tim rarely gets double teams anymore against good teams. The reality is that we have such a good record because our big 3 were finally all healthy to start the season, and as Kori pointed out, we had a few fluke wins we didn't deserve. We also had a guy like Neal stepping up and RJ shooting a fluke 60% in the first couple of months.

It was obvious even then that was not going to last.

So every time the Spurs lose it is all Bonners fault? Never mind the fact that there are 4 other players wearing Spurs jerseys.

Here is some perspective for everyone here. These losses aren't only the fault of 1 player. If I recall, it wasn't Bonner who threw the ball out of bounds in Portland. It wasn't Bonners fault that the perimeter defense couldn't keep Miller in check tonight. It wasn't Bonner that was defending Tony Allen in Memphis. It wasn't Bonners fault for turning the ball over in crunch time in Denver.

This is all that I am trying to say. I am not defending Bonners inadequate defense/rebounding. I completely agree that he needs to start showing improvement on those areas, but this is a TEAM sport. Every player on that team makes mistakes. Blame should fall on the team not just one player. The Spurs aren't saying it is Bonners fault are they? They all know that every single one of them made mistakes that helped in the losses.

I am just tired of everyone blaming specific players. Blame the damn team. Last I checked, this wasn't the San Antonio Bonners.

EDIT: Just read your last post Nono. I think you understand what I have been trying to say.

[xellos88330]

You can't say 'they didn't have those kind of players' when Pop is the VP of the organization and actively went and signed up both Bonner and RJ. Not only we overpaid for those turds, we overplay them too. This roster was put together by them. You can't remove responsibility from them.

As far as 'Score the ball', you need balance. You can score a lot, but if you don't have at least some defense to fall back to when the ball isn't going in (inevitable), or when you really need a stop, then you're no better than SSOL. Considering we have basically no decent perimeter defender, and that you don't want to sit Manu or Tony, you can't afford not to have two good interior defenders, especially when one is on the decline (or two, if you count Dice). This was somewhat masked when Bowen was around, but now that he's gone, you can't hide from it.

I also want to add that Bonner isn't the only problem. He's just the most obvious weakest link, and has consistently been since being given meaningful minutes.

That is what I have been saying. Too much blame has been rendered on one player. It is pretty unfair if you ask me. He is the weakest link defensively for the Spurs. Only three options for it.

1. Replace link. (Too late in the season to really find a player who can do what Bonner can on offense, but with better defense/rebounding)
2. Find a way to reinforce the link so it doesn't break. (Better ball denial into the post maybe?)
3. Don't play him. (With Duncan/McDyess out, Blairs size being exploited, and Splitter adjusting, this is hard to do.)

I expect things to change in the playoffs. If he doesn't perform, sayonara.

[itzsoweezee]

How many minutes he is playing doesn't change the fact that he is a role player. Rasho/Mohammed/Horry/Oberto were role players asked to defend/rebound (Horry to stretch the floor as well). They all played heavy minutes too.

Mohammed, Oberto were starters. They had a role to fill and filled it nicely. Bonners role is simply different than theirs was. He fills it out quite well too.

1. Mohammed, Horry, Oberto, all played their roles better than Bonner does.

2. Bonner's role is not useful for the team. Using up front court minutes for a guy that can't rebound, play defense, or do nearly anything else particularly well, is a horrible idea.

[Sean Cagney]

Ehh..I can deal with RJ more than Bonner. Bonner needs to fall off the face of the Earth...:lol

Yep he is utter shit, no doubt!!!!!!!!!!

[Sean Cagney]

That is what I have been saying. Too much blame has been rendered on one player. It is pretty unfair if you ask me. He is the weakest link defensively for the Spurs. Only three options for it.

1. Replace link. (Too late in the season to really find a player who can do what Bonner can on offense, but with better defense/rebounding)
2. Find a way to reinforce the link so it doesn't break. (Better ball denial into the post maybe?)
3. Don't play him. (With Duncan/McDyess out, Blairs size being exploited, and Splitter adjusting, this is hard to do.)

I expect things to change in the playoffs. If he doesn't perform, sayonara.He won't perform, do not worry or get your hopes up there he is BONNER! HE IS WHAT HE IS!

[xellos88330]

He won't perform, do not worry or get your hopes up there he is BONNER! HE IS WHAT HE IS!

I can't help but be optimistic for any player wearing the Silver and Black. I can handle the consequences of being an optimist. I really do wish him the best of luck in the post season. If he can perform well, then FUCK YEAH!!! If not, his time with the Spurs is most likely spent.

Bonner beasting in the playoffs?

Unlikely, yes. Impossible, no.

[Sean Cagney]

I can't help but be optimistic for any player wearing the Silver and Black. I can handle the consequences of being an optimist. I really do wish him the best of luck in the post season. If he can perform well, then FUCK YEAH!!! If not, his time with the Spurs is most likely spent.

Bonner beasting in the playoffs?

Unlikely, yes. Impossible, no.

Why not more Splitter who can rebound and play a better post game? I am just asking you that there? Can he take some of those mins from BOnner? I hope so!

[xellos88330]

Why not more Splitter who can rebound and play a better post game? I am just asking you that there? Can he take some of those mins from BOnner? I hope so!

I am not the coach. If it were up to me, he would be taking some of not only Bonners, but Blairs minutes as well. Not all of them, but some of them.

[hommeaetage]

I can't help but be optimistic for any player wearing the Silver and Black. I can handle the consequences of being an optimist. I really do wish him the best of luck in the post season. If he can perform well, then FUCK YEAH!!! If not, his time with the Spurs is most likely spent.

Bonner beasting in the playoffs?

Unlikely, yes. Impossible, no.

Bonner has been with the team since 06, what exactly has he done? Ever since he's gotten major mins in the rotation the team hasn't won squat. Now I'm not going to say he's the main reason for that but look at his last playoffs performances: 23% 37% 31% on what is supposedly his best skill. What does that tell me? He can't perform under pressure

[taps]

:lol

it's true Bonner keeps checking Pop "am I running in the right direction coach?"

:lmao

this revelation has me in stitches

[Fireball]

In the off-season they worked on the fundamentals with RJ ... but that seems to have destroyed his ability to slash to the basket. Jesus, how many offensive fouls did RJ have last night? Not performing in a night where he is the only starter - inexcusable! We have to hope that he finds some rhythm in the playoffs to get 10 points per game consistently, because the alternatives (Anderson, Green) are not there ...

[Slippy]

Bonner's defense reminds me of a chicken once it gets it's head chopped off. He's moving but don't know where. You can see player's eyes lighting up when Mat is on them. Hell, even opposition commentators gets excited when Matt is defending.

For the life of me , i have no idea why Pop hasn't given up on Bonner by now.
He should only be situational guy for outside shooting. Nothing more , nothing less.

[yavozerb]

Not sure how you can complain this game about bonner this game cause he actually played pretty well. RJ on the other hand was horrible. This put to rest the theory that RJ is the 4th option and that is whats leading to his low numbers...

[MaNu4Tres]

RJ has been pretty damn bad offensively (outside of his 3 point shooting) the past few months.

His mid-range game is non-existent and his penetrating ability is methodical and predictable (due to him having only one speed when he puts the ball on the floor; he needs to put more work on changing his speeds with the ball and creating separation laterally at the basket with an assortment of pivot moves-unfortunately its too late for that).

He has no counter moves on the dribble whenever his defender impedes his progress to the basket, which leaves him jumping in the air in no mans land-- where only a whistle can bail him out.

Although I was one who was for the resigning of R.J-- because of the fact that he was the Spurs' best option this off-season and for the reason being that it didn't really effect the Spurs' cap the next few years ( because of Manu, Tim and Tony being under-contract for the long haul; meaning Spurs were going to be at the cap anyways and wouldn't have enough room to sign anyone significant via free agency unless the Spurs had a players bird rights-- then they could fit the signing under the luxury tax --which was where R.J fit the bill).

All in all, I'm hoping he continues hitting the 3 ball at a high rate because that's what the Spurs will need out of him the most offensively come playoff time.

[G-Dawgg]

RJ is good. Only problem is, alot less plays are being run for him... no more alley-oop lobs, and he was at his most effective early in the season when guys like Parker, Hill, and Manu were fast-breaking with him leaking out. We were running teams into the ground and scoring 120+ points a game... Why the Spurs went away from this I don't know. Blame the coaching I say, but RJ is fine, he's hitting his 3's and defending well, he's just not getting many shot attempts.

[MannyIsGod]

RJ's had fewer shots because he's not the best option. I'd rather give those looks to Hill and Neal, to be quite honest. That being said, RJ's hitting those 3s, and as long as he continues to do so then I'm not going to be upset with him.

Yeah, we all wish he would provide more but he is what he is and if he can play decent D and hit those 3s thats pretty much all we need from him.

[ElNono]

I expect things to change in the playoffs. If he doesn't perform, sayonara.

I stopped expecting different last playoffs. If he doesn't perform, he'll be back again next season and we'll rehash this same old story. It's been Deja Vu for, now, the 3rd season in a row. Hope he proves me wrong.

[Agloco]

RJ is on a straight nose dive, if he gets even worse over the next three years watch out :depressed

I think that's what an acquisition like DeSean Butler is supposed to be for. Look for R Jeffs minutes to be curbed substantially in the 2012-2013 season.

[Dex]

3 more years...:depressed

[Budkin]

3 more years...:depressed

Aren't we paying less than we were with his original contract?

[Cessation]

This xelos is obviously a Bonner homer, has he seen any of the games this year, apparently he hasn't. Ginger's role is to shoot the three and stretch the floor, and he can't even do that when it matters. Who cares if he shot 50% in January and February this year. This team has title ambitions, not to just make the playoffs. His career playoff average is 32% from three, in last 12 games he's shooting 25%. He has consistently failed. If he can't do what he's overpayed to do, then what use is he? He's a permanent mismatch defensivelly, he can't rebound, hustle, pass, handle...you name it he sucks at it.

[DMC]

This comes down to polishing a turd. Both Bonner and RJ are turds. We can all sit around talking about how they need to improve, but they aren't getting any better than they are/were. On their best nights they are polished turds. Most nights they are just turds. It doesn't matter how much you polish them, they are still turds. Bonner isn't going to get a killer crossover nor is RJ going to actually become effective on either end of the floor. Bonner isn't going to learn to shoot over a defender who's still 5 feet from him instead of putting the ball on the floor. RJ isn't going to suddenly start making good decisions and rotations on defense, and isn't going to get handles like TP. It's not going to happen. They have to work with what they are tasked with doing. Bonner needs to keep shooting the 3 and RJ needs to look for that one alley oop during the home games.

[iminol]

http://iminol.w.interii.pl/deekchoke.jpg

[Agloco]

This comes down to polishing a turd. Both Bonner and RJ are turds. We can all sit around talking about how they need to improve, but they aren't getting any better than they are/were. On their best nights they are polished turds. Most nights they are just turds. It doesn't matter how much you polish them, they are still turds. Bonner isn't going to get a killer crossover nor is RJ going to actually become effective on either end of the floor. Bonner isn't going to learn to shoot over a defender who's still 5 feet from him instead of putting the ball on the floor. RJ isn't going to suddenly start making good decisions and rotations on defense, and isn't going to get handles like TP. It's not going to happen. They have to work with what they are tasked with doing. Bonner needs to keep shooting the 3 and RJ needs to look for that one alley oop during the home games.

I get you.........

But, turds?

:lol

[Cessation]

Jefferson looks kind of chunky, he needs to take it easy on the buffet.

[ElNono]

Neal is incredibly overrated in this forum. Almost to the point of absurdity. He is an excellent shooter and he has a nice floater. Other than that he pretty much sucks at every facet of the game.

But yes, he is better than Jefferson is.

http://ambassador.rit.edu/bca/images/stories/blogs/sjk6357/gyro-photo.jpg

[DMC]

Neal is incredibly overrated in this forum. Almost to the point of absurdity. He is an excellent shooter and he has a nice floater. Other than that he pretty much sucks at every facet of the game.

But yes, he is better than Jefferson is.

I'll take the bait here:

Neal is not overrated. If Neal was making 13 million a year, he would be slightly overrated. He's making half a mil now. He's a rookie. He's ballin'. He's anything but overrated.

Neal could easily have been the 2nd coming of Ime Udoka. Mixed into a group of James White and Alonzo "Dunk on Yo Ass" Gee types, it's easy for a below the rim player to go unnoticed if he doesn't get much playing time. Gary capitalized damn quick on his minutes.

You see people slack off RJ on the perimeter, but they almost double Neal. Neal can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. RJ can too at times, but Neal is fearless.

Sorry, Gary Neal is absolutely not overrated.

[Cessation]

Anyone saying neal is overrated automatically loses all credibility. It would be pointless listing all the reasons why, since clearly you haven't watched spurs play this season. I now see why you call this manuforever/kbp character an idiot.