LaMarcus Aldridge or Dirk Nowitzki???

[Ari Gold]

Which player would u rather have on ur team?

[Muser]

Dirk

[tlongII]

Aldridge no question.

[TD21-FTW]

Aldridge is younger, but Dirk is better.

[Veterinarian]

Nice thread.

[Greg Oden]

private polls are worthless.

[Jodelo]

Aldridge is good but will never be even close to Dirk!

[JamStone]

Dirk 10 times out of 10.

Aldridge has played great this season though. I'd love him on my team. But between the two, it's easily Dirk.

[John Basedow]

zee german

[Roddy Beaubois]

Every time a PF has a hot month or two a thread pops up like this comparing him to Dirk.

[Greg Oden]

Roddy Beaubois

[Sisk]

Dirk, easily.

[ogait]

The only pf even remotely deserving of being considered to be picked for any team over Dirk is Gasol, and that's only if there is already a clear number one guy in that team.

[baseline bum]

Aldridge easily for most teams in the league. Dirk's game has already started to fall off a bit, and will most likely free-fall within a couple of years like that of every other elite big man aside from Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone. Nowitzki would only make sense for a veteran team that's close and is in "Win Now or Bust" mode.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Right when I saw baseline posted I knew he was going to make an argument for Aldridge. No lie.

[ogait]

Aldridge easily for most teams in the league. Dirk's game has already started to fall off a bit, and will most likely free-fall within a couple of years like that of every other elite big man aside from Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone. Nowitzki would only make sense for a veteran team that's close and is in "Win Now or Bust" mode.

One would assume that this is about a player's overall ability now, so considerations about how Aldrige is younger shouldn't even be here. Sure if your team's plan is being in the lottery and planning to be good in a far far future you might want to pick Aldrige.

[Greg Oden]

We really need that TD 21 guy to post.

[hater]

the shooting guard FTW

[Chomag]

This depends, are we talking these players in their prime?

If not I would definitely say Aldridge, Dirk is still the better player yes but he is at the point of the downside of his career where as Aldrigde still has his prime to go.

Both players are beasts though.

[DPG21920]

:lol this is no where near as bad as DB.comers saying they'd take Roddy over Manu.

[Kyle Orton]

Did any of the DB.comers say they'd take Roddy over Manu now or did they just say they'd take Roddy over Manu because of the future. I'm not trying to argue just curious. If a DB.comer thinks the Mavs are contenders then yeah it's retarded to say they'd Roddy over Manu when Manu can help a contending team A LOT more than Roddy can, however if it's a DB.comer who's given up on the present and wants to focus on the future, IMO saying they'd take Roddy over Manu makes sense.

[DPG21920]

Doesn't really make sense either way, but they were talking about a combo of both. It's way more stupid than this :lol. LA is a lot closer to Dirk now than Roddy is to Manu. LA also wins the long term argument as well.

[DPG21920]

F'ng DB.Comers, Kyle

[Kyle Orton]

I agree completely. If we were to use the arrow argument (lol arrow argument), I'd only use 3-4 arrows comparing LA and Dirk, while using 10-12 arrows comparing Manu and Roddy.

My point was that if it's a DB.comer who's truly given up on his team (then again DB.comers never give up on their boys in blue) then yeah it would make sense not to trade Roddy for Manu, but if you were to think along those lines then you would also want Dirk traded for a young rebuilding package.

[DPG21920]

Egg zack lee

[Kyle Orton]

Basically, if you have any interest in maximizing the remainder of Dirk's career, then you'd be very dumb not to trade Roddy for Manu.

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh, rememba det one time Allanon used the arrows argument to say Lebron's supporting cast in Cleveland was better than Kobe's :lmao. It went something like this:

Shaq > Bynum
Varejao = Gasol (because of defense!)
Artest > Anthony Parker
Mo Williams > Fisher
Cleveland has two arrows while LA only has one. Lebron's supporting cast is better.

[Kyle Orton]

or gerald wallace

Agreed.

[Greg Oden]

the funniest thing is Roddy trolling DPG right out of the fantasy playoffs.

[DPG21920]

the funniest thing is Roddy trolling DPG right out of the fantasy playoffs.

:lmao that little *aggot

[Greg Oden]

or gerald wallace

the Mavs could have MS's finest Monta Ellis and Gerald "one of the last black guys rocking braids" Wallace :(

[Kyle Orton]

Don't forgot a certain dream lineup involving Baron Davis and Corey Maggette :lmao

[DPG21920]

Tbh, rememba det one time Allanon used the arrows argument to say Lebron's supporting cast in Cleveland was better than Kobe's :lmao. It went something like this:

Shaq > Bynum
Varejao = Gasol (because of defense!)
Artest > Anthony Parker
Mo Williams > Fisher
Cleveland has two arrows while LA only has one. Lebron's supporting cast is better.

Those damn arrow arguments. I remember that. These laker fans still argue about CLE's supporting cast to knock Bron. My favorite is the "they clearly lost so much more than just Lebron....that's why they suck now"

[Killakobe81]

Dirk. aldridge has been really good this year but this is his FIRST ALL-star caliber season yet he STILL missed the cut. Dirk has been having one of the greatest shooting seasons in recent NBA history and has hit over 70 FT's in a row. If he doesnt get hurt he is in the NBA MVP convo maybe just right after rose alongside Lebron and Dwight ...

[Kyle Orton]

Those damn arrow arguments. I remember that. These laker fans still argue about CLE's supporting cast to knock Bron. My favorite is the "they clearly lost so much more than just Lebron....that's why they suck now"

Remember how Laker and ASU great Byron Scott was gonna show us how awesome Cleveland's team is :lmao

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Basically, if you have any interest in maximizing the remainder of Dirk's career, then you'd be very dumb not to trade Roddy for Manu.

Thank you. I was the one who initially brought up the argument of Roddy for Manu, I believe it was with the poster Shank.

I do see the argument you made on if you're building for the future and have given up on this current season, then you keep Roddy.

[DPG21920]

I remember laker fan calling me an idiot for saying they would struggle to win 20.

[John Basedow]

I remember laker fan calling me an idiot for saying they would struggle to win 20.

Consider yourself vindicated.

[Axe Murderer]

Dirk. aldridge has been really good this year but this is his FIRST ALL-star caliber season yet he STILL missed the cut. Dirk has been having one of the greatest shooting seasons in recent NBA history and has hit over 70 FT's in a row. If he doesnt get hurt he is in the NBA MVP convo maybe just right after rose alongside Lebron and Dwight ...

-"Shhhhhhh"

-Killakobe81 March 28, 2011

[John Basedow]

In turn I expect my own vindication when the Spurs are bricking 3's, LAL is dominating in the paint, and capt. proactiv has splitter wearing warm-ups in the 4th.

[lefty]

Aldridge can block shots


So Lamarcus

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

LA hands motherfucking down. No contest. Best PF in the game, Dirk can
only hope he gets to his level.......oh wait

[DPG21920]

In turn I expect my own vindication when the Spurs are bricking 3's, LAL is dominating in the paint, and capt. proactiv has splitter wearing warm-ups in the 4th.

If the spurs make it that far.

[John Basedow]

If the spurs make it that far.

That vindication has come a little earlier than anticipated I see...:lol

[Jodelo]

Aldridge easily for most teams in the league. Dirk's game has already started to fall off a bit, and will most likely free-fall within a couple of years like that of every other elite big man aside from Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone. Nowitzki would only make sense for a veteran team that's close and is in "Win Now or Bust" mode.


This depends, are we talking these players in their prime?

If not I would definitely say Aldridge, Dirk is still the better player yes but he is at the point of the downside of his career where as Aldrigde still has his prime to go.

Both players are beasts though.

Dirk is having a career-year shooting-wise so how can you say he is on the downside?

[baseline bum]

Dirk is having a career-year shooting-wise so how can you say he is on the downside?

His rebounding is shit.

[Jodelo]

His rebounding is shit.

Maybe because of the injury to his knee this year? He turned it on the last games and will be good come PO-time.

He sure does not have the lifts anymore he had earlier, but his offensive game just gets better!

[DPG21920]

Dirks rebounding and defense have regressed pretty bad, but he is an offensive dynamo.

[sefant77]

Aldridge easily for most teams in the league. Dirk's game has already started to fall off a bit, and will most likely free-fall within a couple of years like that of every other elite big man aside from Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone. Nowitzki would only make sense for a veteran team that's close and is in "Win Now or Bust" mode.

Dirk is a Top3 to Top5 MVP Kandidat, before his knee injury late december a clear Top3.

What a decline....

LMA is a borderline allstar in the west that didnt make the cut :lol

[sefant77]

His rebounding is shit.

Maybe check out who is beside him playing.

Chandler/Haywood
Marion
Kidd

The zone is killing the defensive rebouding but Dirk is also regular season coasting in terms of rebounding. Watch him tune it up for the playoffs. He still owns most of the PF in playoff rebounding average

[Muser]

LaMarcus isn't exctly a great rebounder either, and Dirk shoots the 3 much better.

[Sportstudi]

Dirk. aldridge has been really good this year but this is his FIRST ALL-star caliber season yet he STILL missed the cut. Dirk has been having one of the greatest shooting seasons in recent NBA history and has hit over 70 FT's in a row. If he doesnt get hurt he is in the NBA MVP convo maybe just right after rose alongside Lebron and Dwight ...

There you have the current list:

Top-Ten NBA Free-Throw Streaks:

1. 97 - Micheal Williams, 1993 (2 seasons)
2. 87 - Jose Calderon 2009 (2)
3. 82 - Dirk Nowitzki, 2010 (2)
4. 81 – Mahmoud Abdul Rauf, 1993 (2)
5. 78 – Calvin Murphy, 1980-81 (2)
6. 77 – Mark Price, 1993 (2)
7. 75 – Ricky Pierce, 1991 (2)
8. 74 - Steve Nash, 2007 (2)
8. 74 - Dirk Nowitzki, 2011 (1) ongoing streak
10. 73 - Caron Butler, 2008 (1)

[Killakobe81]

I agree that Dirk's defense and rebounding are lacking ...and although i think he is clutch there are times he falters or where you would prefer that he would not have to rely on one legged turn-around fade-aways ...as much as he does ... I get that. But Dirk is shooting around 52% on mostly 18 feet and out shots plus he seems to have re-gained some (not all) of his 3 point touch. Plus you cant foul him because he is money from the FT line and with his release point and height hard to block his shot. he is too quick for traditional big men and too tall for the better perimeter defenders. And although not a great post player if you go small he can back you down enough and shoot over those guys which is almost a "lay-up" the way he is shooting. I live in Dallas and dirk gets as much slack as anyone in this city not named Tony Romo or Jerry Jones ... but the guy is one of the best offensive forces in the NBA.
If you ask me whose style of play I prefer ...it's aldridge because I doubt David West would be able to play patty cake on Aldridges cheeks with no retaliation from lamarcus. But he was just as much as a jump-shooter as Dirk was ...except dirk does it better. If you take away the lob plays how much true paint points or post up score does Aldridge give you more than Dirk? LA shoots a lot of mid range jumpers too ...But Dirk is the better player even with the regression defensively and on the boards ...

[Ghazi]

Dirk is coasting as far as rebounding... he's picked it up lately.

Roddy is not worth giving up for Gerald Wallace. Marion is just as good as Wallace if not better... Roddy would be worth giving up for Manu though

[Muser]

lol Wallace shits on Marion

[Hooks]

I'll take the guy that doesn't choke.

[Killakobe81]

Hey ^ ...Dirk's been to a Finals ...Aldridge hasnt been out the first round ...

[Mugen]

Hey ^ ...Dirk's been to a Finals ...Aldridge hasnt been out the first round ...

I take Dirk easily.

Put this year's LA on that 2006 Mavs team and the spurs take them out in 5, tbh.

[Ghazi]

lol Wallace shits on Marion

Marion has a better PER :) :)

[DeadlyDynasty]

marion has a better per :) :)

2/10

[Cane]

2/10

1/10

[Hooks]

Hey ^ ...Dirk's been to a Finals ...Aldridge hasnt been out the first round ...


I take it back, I'd much rather have Dirk. We could finally get rid of that piece of shit Bonner since Dirk would stretch the floor.

[Axe Murderer]

Dirk is having a career-year shooting-wise so how can you say he is on the downside?

http://i46.tinypic.com/pniw2.gif

[Ari Gold]

aldridge > dirk

[DMC]

Dirk, not even close. Put Dirk with a serious center and you have Dirk with a serious center.

[Giuseppe]

Aldridge called ass. Dirk left him, dead in the ground.

[DMC]

You can build a team around Dirk. Aldridge is a guy you would include in a team you are building around a franchise player. He's not a franchise player.

[TE]

aldridge > dirk

Not quite.

[Giuseppe]

You can build a team around Dirk. Aldridge is a guy you would include in a team you are building around a franchise player. He's not a franchise player.

D is hitting on all cylinders this evening.

[benefactor]

I didn't read the thread...mostly because there can't be any serious argument made that puts Aldridge on Dirk's level.

[mystargtr34]

As of now... it's still Dirk. He's a proven playoff performer... althought LA has been a beast this season. Its pretty close.

Obviously if you were picking a guy for your franchise you would take LA because he is 7 years younger.

[spursbird]

This year, Dirk
To build for future, Aldridge
Both in prime, Dirk for sure.

[Greg Oden]

Aldridge called ass. Dirk left him, dead in the ground.

your finest hour.

[Sportstudi]

Aldridge no question.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Bump

[Findog]

http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2011/08/chris-palmers-nba-player-rankings-by.html


1) Blake Griffin: "Think it's too soon to anoint Griffin? His talent, skill and numbers say otherwise."

2) Dirk Nowitzki: "We're all still buzzing about the Mavericks' championship march, but after a thorough inspection of Nowitzki's skills, he simply doesn't have enough of an all-around game to pry the top spot from Griffin."

Certainly in the next 2-3 years I expect Griffin to overtake Dirk but this is fucking stupid.

[Monostradamus]

Aldridge easily for most teams in the league.

:lmao

[baseline bum]

LOL, that was pretty bad.

[Bobby Boucher]

Aldridge easily for most teams in the league. Dirk's game has already started to fall off a bit, and will most likely free-fall within a couple of years like that of every other elite big man aside from Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone. Nowitzki would only make sense for a veteran team that's close and is in "Win Now or Bust" mode.

Allllllldridge sucks! He really really sucks!

Dirk = :lobt2:

LA = :cry

[DMC]

Aldridge easily for most teams in the league. Dirk's game has already started to fall off a bit, and will most likely free-fall within a couple of years like that of every other elite big man aside from Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone. Nowitzki would only make sense for a veteran team that's close and is in "Win Now or Bust" mode.
Damn Bum was straight on here.

[midnightpulp]

I would rather have 2011 Dirk than this year's LMA, obviously.

Imagine the spacing :wow

LMA has worked out great. No complaints.

[baseline bum]

Damn Bum was straight on here.

God damnit, Dirk has to go ring 3 months after I posted that stupid shit

[Reck]

LOL, that was pretty bad.

Redemption comes!

[DMC]

God damnit, Dirk has to go ring 3 months after I posted that stupid shit

I read it differently. You said "win now or bust mode" and he was and they blew it up the next year. You also said "team of veterans" which he had (even though he had them at the time you posted that). So I saw it as a good take. No one knew Dirk was going to go 3rd Reich on the league.

[DAF86]

Did any of the DB.comers say they'd take Roddy over Manu now or did they just say they'd take Roddy over Manu because of the future. I'm not trying to argue just curious. If a DB.comer thinks the Mavs are contenders then yeah it's retarded to say they'd Roddy over Manu when Manu can help a contending team A LOT more than Roddy can, however if it's a DB.comer who's given up on the present and wants to focus on the future, IMO saying they'd take Roddy over Manu makes sense.

Manu outliving the french allah. :lol

[140]

:lmao nice timing OP