Guarantee a win tonight.

[chazley]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.

[spursince#99]

cool story bro...even though this could have went in the game thread...

[easy7]

Pinche grey fans...

[Sigz]

wow bro, you're putting a lot on the line.

[chazley]

I'll put money on it.

[chazley]

cool story bro...even though this could have went in the game thread...

False. My posts are too good to be drowned in some random game thread.

[Muser]

I don't even know who the fuck you are, so you can't be anything special

[I. Hustle]

He must know something. No way he risks all that

[chazley]

I don't even know who the fuck you are, so you can't be anything special

Anyone important knows who I am.

In other words, I don't give a shit that you don't know me because that means you're a nobody.

[ALVAREZ6]

I hope they win, but they're playing like a bunch of lazy shithead faggots right now. Fuckin Dice is doing everything wrong, Manu continues to take stupid ass threes, and players are just playing flat out lazy.

Tony Parker should take every single shot for the remainder of the time he's on the court tonight.

[duncan228]

:wakeup

[mexicanjunior]

Anyone important knows who I am.

In other words, I don't give a shit that you don't know me because that means you're a nobody.

Do you even want to bother coming back for the playoffs...this is a 1 and done team.

[4>0rings]

Beat it and take Bonners scrotum that's in your mouth with you faggot.

[Hooks]

Chazley's leaving courtesy of Matt Bonner LMAO!

[benefactor]

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/fail/6/RonaldMcGTFO.jpg

[Chomag]

See ya bro

[Spurs Brazil]

Chazley's leaving courtesy of Matt Bonner LMAO!

:lol

[pawe]

Who are you anyway?

[timtonymanu]

Thank God this delusional poster is gonna be out for a while.

[dallasmaverickslose]

well fuck you and your stupid jinx

[4>0rings]

Chazley's leaving courtesy of Matt Bonner LMAO!
That is epically ironic and that is proof there is a God. :lmao

[Hooks]

This thread cheers me up.

[ElNono]

finally some good news

[Mugen]

theres always a silver lining.

[Spurologist]

finally some good news

:lol

[Spursmania]

:lol

[cherylsteele]

Chazley's leaving courtesy of Matt Bonner LMAO!
I guess Bonner IS good for something then.
Albeit it is just for 7 games.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This thread is funny.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

http://i51.tinypic.com/2duijk6.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/28kohad.jpg

[Sean Cagney]

Chazley you get in a thread and tell me BONNER IS GOOD again and this and that trash I am gonna fucking laugh you forever! HE IS TRASH! What did I tell you bruh? I am not wrong bro! NEVER am I WRONG! I see what it is! If you back him again with me and say you owned someone for him all you get is an ahahhahhahhahahhahhahahhahahhahhahahahahhahahha.

Booner is good! HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAH, thats my response to you idiots now is hahaahahhahahah with your weak arguments as to why Bonner is good! HAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH is all.

[SouthTexasRancher]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.

:rollin :toast

[thOOdee]

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/fail/6/RonaldMcGTFO.jpg


can't believe u wasted your time photoshoping bonner saying this

[chazley]

Wasn't counting on the Celtics hitting 20 in a row from 16-20 feet.

See you guys in mid-April.

and a big lol to all the haters. Must be nice, you get to keep spewing your garbage without anyone knowledgeable coming in to put all of you in your place.

But I am a man of my word.

[cherylsteele]

Wasn't counting on the Celtics hitting 20 in a row from 16-20 feet.

See you guys in mid-April.

and a big lol to all the haters. Must be nice, you get to keep spewing your garbage without anyone knowledgeable coming in to put all of you in your place.
But I am a man of my word.
You do have a mirror don't you?
If not go get one, if so, use it.
They weren't hitting from 16-20 all that much....more like 16-20 inches when Bonner was less useful on "D" than a street cone.

[John Basedow]

Wasn't counting on the Celtics hitting 20 in a row from 16-20 feet.

See you guys in mid-April.

and a big lol to all the haters. Must be nice, you get to keep spewing your garbage without anyone knowledgeable coming in to put all of you in your place.

But I am a man of my word.

sayonara faggot...the main board just became a little more tolerable now.

[chazley]

I guess Bonner IS good for something then.
Albeit it is just for 7 games.

Bonner was the ONLY spur last night who had a positive +/-

Why can't you guys just let me rest for 2 weeks. If you guys would stop posting idiotic bullshit I would just ride off into the sunset.

You guys probably saw Bonner get scored on by Jermaine O'Neal on that one shot and probably decided to blame the entire loss on him.

Bonner/Parker/Duncan were the only Spurs who played hard the entire night.

[chazley]

Chazley's leaving courtesy of Matt Bonner LMAO!

And the dumbest post of the year goes to...

[DeadlyDynasty]

And the dumbest post of the year goes to...

you. The C's sealed your fate. Now GTFO.

[Cessation]

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/fail/6/RonaldMcGTFO.jpg

lol /thread

[chazley]

you. The C's sealed your fate. Now GTFO.

I'm one of 3 or 4 knowledgeable Spurs fans on this board, I know you'd LOVE to have me leave for 2 weeks so you can crush the idiot Spurs fans because it makes you feel smart.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm one of 3 or 4 knowledgeable Spurs fans on this board, I know you'd LOVE to have me leave for 2 weeks so you can crush the idiot Spurs fans because it makes you feel smart.

Please show me one decent post you've made. Boundless, blind optimism/homerism is not smart--it's unrealistic and stupid.

[WeNeedLength]

I'm one of 3 or 4 knowledgeable Spurs fans on this board, I know you'd LOVE to have me leave for 2 weeks so you can crush the idiot Spurs fans because it makes you feel smart.

:lmao
HAHAHAHA....
:lmao
HAHAHAHA....
:lmao

[Chomag]

But I am a man of my word.

Yet you have posted 3 times since...:rolleyes

[LakerHater]

Spurs need it!

[DrSteffo]

Why is Roger Mason Jr's second cousin still on this forum?

[20beastie45]

Creating a thread to basically say "hey look at me"

I bet you look in the mirror and tell yourself how wonderful you are.
what a joke.

worthless thread!

[Rummpd]

Down 7 after working to get the lead in the first half. Rockets can play like crap vs. everyone else but play hard against two teams Spurs and LAL seemingly no matter what.

[spurtech09]

buh bye

[cherylsteele]

Bonner was the ONLY spur last night who had a positive +/-

Why can't you guys just let me rest for 2 weeks. If you guys would stop posting idiotic bullshit I would just ride off into the sunset.

You guys probably saw Bonner get scored on by Jermaine O'Neal on that one shot and probably decided to blame the entire loss on him.

Bonner/Parker/Duncan were the only Spurs who played hard the entire night.
You obviously don actually watch the games it looks like.
The game momentum turned when he was in game, anyone he was guarding became an instant all-star, +/- stats are misleading, Splitter played well when given a chance.

BTW, it wasn't just O'Neal, Green made all 8 of points when Bonner was on him, and this when the momentum turned, This proves you don't have a clue what you are talking about, and watch the game.

[chazley]

Love how everytime I present a fact, the mindless people who post on this board just dismiss it as 'misleading'

It's hard to think that you guys honestly believe what you're typing sometimes.

Can't WAIT for all the idiots to blame this loss on Bonner too.

+2 tonight.

Guess he got manhandled as usual though and cost us the win...

[mexicanjunior]

Love how everytime I present a fact, the mindless people who post on this board just dismiss it as 'misleading'

It's hard to think that you guys honestly believe what you're typing sometimes.

Can't WAIT for all the idiots to blame this loss on Bonner too.

+2 tonight.

Guess he got manhandled as usual though and cost us the win...

I'm glad to see you are a man of your word...

[chazley]

You obviously don actually watch the games it looks like.
The game momentum turned when he was in game, anyone he was guarding became an instant all-star, +/- stats are misleading, Splitter played well when given a chance.

BTW, it wasn't just O'Neal, Green made all 8 of points when Bonner was on him, and this when the momentum turned, This proves you don't have a clue what you are talking about, and watch the game.

You obviously only watch Bonner when he makes mistakes.

Green did not light up Bonner. He had one turnaround jumper and a fastbreak point where Matt hustled his ass off but the guards decided not to get back on the break. Matt actually beat our guards down the floor.

He was VERY active on the offensive glass against Boston. Won't see any Spurs fans giving him credit though.

I wish you guys would watch a game and objectively right down the pros and cons of every possession matt bonner plays. You'd be pleasantly surprised.

[Cessation]

At least this retard will be gone for a while.

lol 26 3pt% in last 13 games
lol "but but but... he was +2 tonight"

[mexicanjunior]

At least this retard will be gone for a while.

lol 26 3pt% in last 13 games
lol "but but but... he was +2 tonight"

He was supposed to be gone last game...he decided to welch...

[chazley]

I'm glad to see you are a man of your word...

I just can't let myself see people write mindless bullshit. It's like standing by while a 90-year old grandma gets her purse stolen. You do something, even if you swore never to get in a fight again. You would kick the robber's ass.

Same thing here. I refuse to let the dumbasses of Spurstalk continue to talk out of their ass with no repercussions. I just cannot stand idly by.

[chazley]

At least this retard will be gone for a while.

lol 26 3pt% in last 13 games
lol "but but but... he was +2 tonight"

lol ur clueless
lol bonner's value isn't solely tied to his 3-point shooting
lol ur a dumbass
lol want me to keep owning you?

[Chachachango]

just gtfo

[mexicanjunior]

Same thing here. I refuse to let the dumbasses of Spurstalk continue to talk out of their ass with no repercussions. I just cannot stand idly by.

Then why bother making the bet at all? If you know you are lying about the consequences, I don't see the point in even making your original post...

[Cessation]

How are you owning? You're not even making sense. You win game by going 0-5 in 25 minutes?

lol bonner has value

[Cessation]

lol chazley welching and owning his retarded self

[Hooks]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Chieflion]

Who are you to guarantee anything anyway?

[chazley]

How are you owning? You're not even making sense. You win game by going 0-5 in 25 minutes?

lol bonner has value

LOL maybe Bonner is proving he doesn't have to be 6-7 from 3 every night to have value. He drops zero points in 25 minutes and our team still outscores the Rockets when he's on the floor.

Please, have some stupid ass fucking excuse you can post so I can start laughing at you.

Everytime someone decides to challenge me, I fucking annihilate them. Then they continue to talk shit in random posts as if it didn't happen. At least have the fucking balls to admit I consistently own you and don't just pretend it never happened like a little bitch.

[honestfool84]

what the hell are you still doing here?

[Chomag]

Man of your word?

[chazley]

Who are you to guarantee anything anyway?

Is it against the law, or is guaranteeing a victory reserved only for Rasheed?

[chazley]

what the hell are you still doing here?

You can talk all the shit you want cause it means I get to stare at your sig more.

[timtonymanu]

Welcher

[chazley]

Man of your word?

Would've rided off quietly if some of the dumbasses hadn't come out the woodwork. Now I have to put them in their place as usual.

[chazley]

Welcher

Yea, I'm a big fan of the Grape version.

[Chachachango]

yeah bro, u putting them in their places. good job.

[Budkin]

Please delete this thread. Please.

[Cessation]

wow this guy is completelly out of touch

[Chieflion]

Is it against the law, or is guaranteeing a victory reserved only for Rasheed?

At least Rasheed plays so that he can actually have the right to attempt to guarantee something. You? Meh.

[chazley]

At least Rasheed plays so that he can actually have the right to attempt to guarantee something. You? Meh.

How do you know I'm not an NBA player?

[chazley]

Please delete this thread. Please.

If you don't have anything to contribute then leave.

[chazley]

wow this guy is completelly out of touch

Good, solid post. Really liked the way you sidestepped the question, it was very smooth and subtle.

[mexicanjunior]

How do you know I'm not an NBA player?

Did your team have an off night?

[chazley]

yeah bro, u putting them in their places. good job.

Someone seeing the light.

[timtonymanu]

What's there to contribute? You're showing everyone that you didn't own up to your bet. We don't need stats or proof for that. You look like the fool here. But whatever, stick to your delusions that you "own" everyone. If that is all that's going for you in life, then so be it.

[Chachachango]

haha, April fools.

[Chieflion]

How do you know I'm not an NBA player?

I thought you said you were not Roger Mason Jr.

[ElNono]

Someone seeing the light.

I thought you were gone... welcher

[timtonymanu]

chazley with the self ownage. Add that to your sig, bitch.

[chazley]

I thought you were gone... welcher

Already told you, I like the grape too much to stay away.

[chazley]

chazley with the self ownage. Add that to your sig, bitch.

Not seeing any self ownage.

[chazley]

What's there to contribute? You're showing everyone that you didn't own up to your bet. We don't need stats or proof for that. You look like the fool here. But whatever, stick to your delusions that you "own" everyone. If that is all that's going for you in life, then so be it.

I'm the only one in any argument who backs up my side with facts, while people I go against rely on 'what they see'.

Don't think any reasonable person would ever argue that facts/stats can be disproven by some non-professional saying they saw otherwise.

It's like saying bigfoot is real because some redneck in northern Idaho swears by it. I want proof before I go off someone saying they saw something. Cause 99% of the time, it's usually an illusion.

[Sean Cagney]

Chazley how was Bonner! Playoff form still! Great game from him.

[chazley]

Chazley how was Bonner! Playoff form still! Great game from him.

+2.

What's your point?

[Sean Cagney]

+2.

What's your point?

I said he sucked before and will continue to play like this and has in the playoffs etc. before, I knew it was coming and he keeps proving me right there. I wish when he was not hitting Pop would yank him, but hell no he can't help himself at all! It puzzles me.

[chazley]

I said he sucked before and will continue to play like this and has in the playoffs etc. before, I knew it was coming and he keeps proving me right there. I wish when he was not hitting Pop would yank him, but hell no he can't help himself at all! It puzzles me.

You know how I know your IQ is lower than 70?

You blame every loss on Matt Bonner.

Again, we outscored the Rockets and Celtics while Matt Bonner was on the floor.

What the fuck are you saying? Where is your proof? Do you expect people to listed to your baseless garbage and take it as fact. Grow some balls and present some REAL facts and then we'll talk. You are by far the biggest airhead on Spurstalk and the most annoying poster here. That says ALOT when guys like Cessation post on Spurstalk, because that guy is a fucking idiot.

[Chieflion]

So Matt Bonner had a +2. So, my math tells me that if he had made 40% of his shots (which would be about the average) instead of the 0%, he would have been a +8, right? And the rest of the Spurs who were in the game with him would also get the same, would they?

With that being the case, the Spurs were outscoring the Rockets despite Matt Bonner's misses. Am I still on the right track? Good, then honor your bet and log off and fuck off.

[chazley]

So Matt Bonner had a +2. So, my math tells me that if he had made 40% of his shots (which would be about the average) instead of the 0%, he would have been a +8, right? And the rest of the Spurs who were in the game with him would also get the same, would they?

With that being the case, the Spurs were outscoring the Rockets despite Matt Bonner's misses. Am I still on the right track? Good, then honor your bet and log off and fuck off.

You could use a better avatar.

So, basically you're agreeing with me. Thanks Chieflion!

[Cessation]

duncan 23 pts 13rbs
bonner 0 pts 0-5 from 3

According to chazley, ginger > duncan, because bonner has +2, and duncan has 0 +/-

lol retard troll chazley

[DPG21920]

Why are you still posting?

[Sean Cagney]

You know how I know your IQ is lower than 70?

You blame every loss on Matt Bonner.

Again, we outscored the Rockets and Celtics while Matt Bonner was on the floor.

What the fuck are you saying? Where is your proof? Do you expect people to listed to your baseless garbage and take it as fact. Grow some balls and present some REAL facts and then we'll talk. You are by far the biggest airhead on Spurstalk and the most annoying poster here. That says ALOT when guys like Cessation post on Spurstalk, because that guy is a fucking idiot.

Ur a fucking idiot! Where is my proof? 0-5 and he still gets heavy heavy mins ? LMFAO, good lord you are a fucking idiot bro, go smack yourself silly. Where is your proof LMFAO HAHAHHAHA okay stats are not proof! Misses in key times are not proof? Are you his brother or wife? I am serious too.

Is this POP! POP glad to see you, defending your puppet! Thats the only thing I can see here because everyone else knows he is shit and should sit. LMFAO real facts, yet you show none just spew off some shit saying where is your proof and facts but you never say a thing yourself bro :rollin:rollin. I wish you would just quit faggot and fullfil your guarantee and dissapear. You are a fucking idiot, sorry you have to be the dumbest fuck to ever post in the history of Spurs boards and that includes trolls.

[Sean Cagney]

So Matt Bonner had a +2. So, my math tells me that if he had made 40% of his shots (which would be about the average) instead of the 0%, he would have been a +8, right? And the rest of the Spurs who were in the game with him would also get the same, would they?

With that being the case, the Spurs were outscoring the Rockets despite Matt Bonner's misses. Am I still on the right track? Good, then honor your bet and log off and fuck off.

This dude is a fucking dumbass man, his facts are a joke and ignore him, he has to be the biggest fucking idiot on any forum in the history of Western Civilization :rollin:rollin, but he has his facts! He owns all! :rollin:rollin.

+2, well 0-5 faggot! Chew on that.
duncan 23 pts 13rbs
bonner 0 pts 0-5 from 3

According to chazley, ginger > duncan, because bonner has +2, and duncan has 0 +/-

lol retard troll chazley

Oh yes his facts! All he can do is say +/-, but in reality you post his % and missing all his shots and he still posts his bullshit. What exactly did he do? He was lucky to be on the floor when others scored more than the other team so he gets a PLUS there when he did nothing but CHAZ has his stats!!!!!!!!! Someone ban this clown.

[Cessation]

I agree, chazley is definetly the worst poster on st.

[chazley]

duncan 23 pts 13rbs
bonner 0 pts 0-5 from 3

According to chazley, ginger > duncan, because bonner has +2, and duncan has 0 +/-

lol retard troll chazley

Yea, that was my whole argument, Duncan<Bonner

Mind quoting where I said that?

I'll wait.

[chazley]

I agree, chazley is definetly the worst poster on st.

Thanks bud. Means alot coming from someone who has a smaller IQ than my dog.

[chazley]

I can't even respond to Sean anymore. It's just to easy to annihilate him. The best part was he's trying to argue +/- solely is that our other 4 guys carried Matt while Matt I guess stood in the corner and sucked his thumb? Cool, maybe I'll just suit up for the Spurs next game and take Bonner's minutes, shoot 0-5 from the field, and they can just carry me instead! Would be the same result, right?

And rofl if you think +/- is the only stat/fact that I use. Go back and research my threads, they're always based on facts and stats instead of random observations.

[Cessation]

According to your logic bonner > duncan. Since +/- is a more telling indicator of a players performance than, such stats as pts, rbs, fg%.

[chazley]

According to your logic bonner > duncan. Since +/- is a more telling indicator of a players performance than, such stats as pts, rbs, fg%.


Oh god I feel so filthy having to reply to your garbage posts.

My point was to defend Bonner against people who, without a doubt, would blame this loss on Bonner. My POINT was, our team outscored the Rockets while he was on the floor.

My point was NOT that he's better than Tim Duncan.

Good lord.

[Sean Cagney]

I can't even respond to Sean anymore. It's just to easy to annihilate him. .

You never won a battle on here in your life outside of your little stupid fucking mind bro :lol Everyone thinks you are a idiot, you are in your own little world with POP and Bonner now! You are his only fan on earth.


You lost every single battle you were in, fuck outta here idiot and fullfil your claim you were out if we lost.
And Bonner had nothing to do about it... seeing he scored zero points and gave up more than a few at the other end...

What I get from your point, is that Bonner has great teammates...

I swear to GOD this guy has to be the dumbest fuck on the face of the earth or just acting dumb for entertainment :lol:lol:rollin. He is seriously that dumb! +2, but 0-5, yeah great stat there to prove he is good! I could stand on the sidelines with the cheerleaders and do more than this red head bozo, yet he has some fans still lol.

[ElNono]

My POINT was, our team outscored the Rockets while he was on the floor.

And Bonner had nothing to do about it... seeing he scored zero points and gave up more than a few at the other end...

What I get from your point, is that Bonner has great teammates...

[Sean Cagney]

Oh yeah if you are a fan of Bonner you lost from that there alone, no more needs to be said! Anyone who is a fan of that fucking piece of shit red head bozo is an idiot, period! I will not even consider you again nor him as a player. Stop talking to me and answering me man, just dissapear like him in a big game or the playoffs bro!

[chazley]

Sean, you're the one coming in my threads. PLEASE, I BEG you, LEAVE me threads and NEVER come back.

[ElNono]

just wondering why make a bet if you're not going to come through with them??

I guess we know who's not serious...

[chazley]

And Bonner had nothing to do about it... seeing he scored zero points and gave up more than a few at the other end...

What I get from your point, is that Bonner has great teammates...

Yup, Spurs play 4 on 5 every time Bonner is on the court.

Might as well throw my grandma out there right? She'd have great teammates so it would be alright.

Love how people just completely dismiss everything good that Bonner does.

He hustles his ass off, he plays good defense, he rebounds at a decent rate (or at least tries hard), spreads the floor, does all the pick setting when he's on the floor, opens the lane up because Bonner's man is REQUIRED to stay on him (usually a big), and all he gets is bullshit from Spurs fans.

[chazley]

just wondering why make a bet if you're not going to come through with them??

I guess we know who's not serious...

I'm not gonna post again when this thread dies until the playoffs.

[Cessation]

So what shows better a players contributions? +/- where another 4 players are involved or an individual stat like, 0 points, 0-5 in 25 minutes

[mexicanjunior]

I'm not gonna post again when this thread dies until the playoffs.

How do you expect it to die if you keep responding to it? Just admit that you never really took the bet seriously and just wanted to make a hollow guarantee... :lol

[Cessation]

chazley taking of, can't handle the self ownage
lol bonner plays good defence

[ElNono]

Yup, Spurs play 4 on 5 every time Bonner is on the court.

No, they actually play 4 on 6. You can't underestimate the opposing team running their offense through Matty.


Might as well throw my grandma out there right? She'd have great teammates so it would be alright.

Pretty much. Watching by the sidelines when the rest of the team does the heavy lifting is indeed something grandma could do. Heck, grandma might luck out and hit a wide open 3. Then the other team would actually have to guard grandma.


Love how people just completely dismiss everything good that Bonner does.

I don't. It's just that the bad outdoes the good on a consistent basis.
His good is that he tries hard. He's just not a good player.


He hustles his ass off, he plays good defense, he rebounds at a decent rate (or at least tries hard), spreads the floor, does all the pick setting when he's on the floor, opens the lane up because Bonner's man is REQUIRED to stay on him (usually a big), and all he gets is bullshit from Spurs fans.

I try hard to be a NBA player too, but I don't get to be one. Trying hard means jack shit when you don't produce any results.

The rest of your banter really means you don't watch the games: Bonner is a mediocre defender. To the point of teams blatantly going at him possession after possession. His 3 rpg for a 6'10 guy is among the worst in the league. He doesn't stretch anything because when his shot if off, like it's been for the past dozen games, he's not worth guarding. When his shot is on, he's just not a volume shooter that actually is worth guarding with a big man (any midget running at him will make him put the ball on the floor). Furthermore, even when scorching hot, he's only going to put less than 10ppg on you.

In other words, if you're going to defend Bonner, at least look at him play.

[Cessation]

elnono /thread

[chazley]

Nono, I expected a better response out of you. There's just so much fail in your post though, I can't help but facepalm and raise the percentage of Spurstalk idiots to 96%. You responded to all my points with random jokes and no facts.

I've posted stats many many times that shows Bonner is at LEAST an average defender. I've also shown that 4 of our top 5 lineups in terms of point differential include Matt Bonner. I don't know what other proof you want. If you think the only good that Matt Bonner brings is he tries hard, then it's pointless trying to argue with you.

[chazley]

elnono /thread

"I'm an idiot"

"Someone made some jokes to refute Chazley's points! He is right and the facts/stats are wrong! Jokes>facts and stats. Chazley sucks! El Nono you are a fucking God!"

[Chieflion]

You could use a better avatar.

So, basically you're agreeing with me. Thanks Chieflion!

Nobody is agreeing with you. Matt Bonner could have done way more to help his team than miss all of his shots and be a target for every Rocket offensive opportunities.

Take Gary Neal for an example. He scored 10 points on 4-7 shooting, yet he was -10, he helped his team by being efficient on offense. This Matt Bonner guy was supposed to be efficient on the offensive side of the court and couldn't get things done. Instead, Parker and Duncan carried his useless ass to a +2. Now, if he could actually do something positive.

[Sean Cagney]

Nono, I expected a better response out of you. There's just so much fail in your post though, I can't help but facepalm and raise the percentage of Spurstalk idiots to 96%. You responded to all my points with random jokes and no facts.
.

Fact now, you are an idiot or just trolling! I swear you are not this dumb! Hope not for your sakes. LOL GOOD DEFENDER! TO QUOTE SHEED, GIVE THE BALL to whoever Bonner is guarding, guess you know more than him since you say he is a good defender! NO facts? You have not shown one yet, yet you still run your stupid ass mouth in here and think you won an argument but stay losing and everyone but you sees it!

[ElNono]

Nono, I expected a better response out of you.

Funny, I expected you to honor your bet. Make that two disillusioned posters.


I've posted stats many many times that shows Bonner is at LEAST an average defender. I've also shown that 4 of our top 5 lineups in terms of point differential include Matt Bonner. I don't know what other proof you want. If you think the only good that Matt Bonner brings is he tries hard, then it's pointless trying to argue with you.

You don't watch the games. +/- is not a stat that gauges individual performances, but actual lineup combinations. Anybody that plays alongside Duncan will have a better +/- than playing alongside Blair.

You need to get your eyes off the books and numbers, and sit down and watch the games. Again, not surprised you didn't address any of my responses, and instead went with a canned response. You've no interest in a serious discussion. Should've known when you welched on your bet.

[ElNono]

Wait, ain't you the guy that was defending that POS Money Mase a season or two ago? :lol

I knew you looked familiar...

[Sense]

Why is this guy still here...

[Sean Cagney]

Hey Chazley since you post your stats, post that record without Bonner out there bro? Now thats a stat there for you and proof! Yet you call me an idiot and say I don't know shit and I am dumb, but thats a true to life stat for you bro!!!!!!! Post our record without him out there! IDIOT BOZO FUCKER.

[chazley]

Hey Chazley since you post your stats, post that record without Bonner out there bro? Now thats a stat there for you and proof! Yet you call me an idiot and say I don't know shit and I am dumb, but thats a true to life stat for you bro!!!!!!! Post our record without him out there! IDIOT BOZO FUCKER.

Idiot bozo fucker... Now that's creative.

If you wanna take small game sample sizes and try to make a point using, what, 6 games out of a season, you're just a retard.

You said you wanted to stop speaking with me, please do you. Your idiocy is just starting to piss me off.

[chazley]

Why is this guy still here...

Yea I agree, Sean Cagney needs to go.

[Sean Cagney]

Idiot bozo fucker... Now that's creative.

If you wanna take small game sample sizes and try to make a point using, what, 6 games out of a season, you're just a retard.

You said you wanted to stop speaking with me, please do you. Your idiocy is just starting to piss me off.

What was our record without Bonner this year idiot, stat man?????? Uhhhhhhhhhh HUH what was it you fucking dummy? I bet you will not answer and put up +2 again in a game we lost right? YES YOU WILL!
Yea I agree, Sean Cagney needs to go.

LOL at this delusional fuck, they are all talking about you, you are you and we all think you should be done in here and are an idiot! You are with yourself and POOP and BONNER! Thats all! Nobody likes you, you suck at this posting stuff bro, just go away already.

[chazley]

Funny, I expected you to honor your bet. Make that two disillusioned posters.



You don't watch the games. +/- is not a stat that gauges individual performances, but actual lineup combinations. Anybody that plays alongside Duncan will have a better +/- than playing alongside Blair.

You need to get your eyes off the books and numbers, and sit down and watch the games. Again, not surprised you didn't address any of my responses, and instead went with a canned response. You've no interest in a serious discussion. Should've known when you welched on your bet.

lol wtf, I responded to all your posts that weren't stupid jokes.

And you basically just admitted that a LINEUP with Bonner in it is good, which has been my point all along. He's a perfect role player for this team. I've never made him out to be a great individual player. I laugh at him just as much as the next guy when he dribbles.

By the way, Bonner plays alongside Blair and Duncan. Not sure what your point is?

[Sean Cagney]

lol wtf, I responded to all your posts that weren't stupid jokes.

And you basically just admitted that a LINEUP with Bonner in it is good, which has been my point all along. He's a perfect role player for this team. I've never made him out to be a great individual player. I laugh at him just as much as the next guy when he dribbles.

By the way, Bonner plays alongside Blair and Duncan. Not sure what your point is?

Thing is Pop uses him more than a role player 25 mins is not a role player you idiot! When he goes 0-5 he is still out there right? I swear you gotta be POOP or Bonner! After the games you show up, you are BONNER! YOU HAVE TO BE! Nobody else sides his wife or Pop likes that idiot, so you have to be BONER hahahha. :rollin:rollin

[chazley]

What was our record without Bonner this year idiot, stat man?????? Uhhhhhhhhhh HUH what was it you fucking dummy? I bet you will not answer and put up +2 again in a game we lost right? YES YOU WILL!

To be honest, I don't give a shit, because it doesn't matter.

Here's your answer anyway:

Without Bonner this season: 16 games, 13-3

But since we're using small sample sizes, I'll give you another one:

After Bonner returned from his first injury this season, we were 19-2 in our next 21 games.

I mean seriously, if you wanna use small, meaningless sample sizes I can come up with alot more that prove my point than you can.

[chazley]

During his second injury (10 games) we went 8-2.

There were three good teams we played during those 10 games. New Orleans/Lakers/Portland. Denver (Not as good in January) Rockets (Not as good in January) and the Jazz are the only other teams worth mentioning.

We got annihilated by the Hornets.

We beat the Lakers on a miracle tip-in

We lost to the Blazers.

Anymore retarded arguments you can come up with?

[Sean Cagney]

To be honest, I don't give a shit, because it doesn't matter.

Here's your answer anyway:

Without Bonner this season: 16 games, 13-3

But since we're using small sample sizes, I'll give you another one:

After Bonner returned from his first injury this season, we were 19-2 in our next 21 games.

I mean seriously, if you wanna use small, meaningless sample sizes I can come up with alot more that prove my point than you can.

13-3, yeah he is a key to this team! Yes his +2 is huge in a loss but 13-3 is not KEY!!!!! yeah BONNER IS HUGE!!!! LOL you love this bozo for some reason! What has he done lately? What is he 12-50 on threes lately? TIMLEY IS IT NOT!!! Maybe 14 but still you get it, he is shit late in the year and you know it. LOL at 13-3small, yeah that is a small argument there hahhahhahaaaahahahahhaahhaahhahahhahhahahahhahahah ahahah. We don't need Bonner here at all, period! This team is better without that idiot IMO honestly! His threes don't make up for his stupid D and getting lit up all the time on D! Do not say he is decent on D either, to quote SHEED, pass it to whoever Bonner is on out there! I guess he knows more than some idiot fan like you bro.

You think this idiot is good I see, but players laugh at this clown and fans too, you must be POP I SWEAR! HE IS HORRIBLE! PERIOD.

[Sean Cagney]

12-50 threes since Miami, is that good you idiot? What else does he do if he is not hitting a three? NOTHING! Thats another stat for you bro! Thats horrible.

[chazley]

Love how you completely brush off my argument and continue to just say 'bonner sucks'

You're hopeless. You're probably the same person who would insist the sky is red, when all you have to do is look straight up to find out that the sky, in fact, is blue. And you'll argue until you're dying day the sky is red, no matter how damning the evidence may be.

[Sean Cagney]

If you are up against Bonner you will eat him like grapefruit, period!!!!!! This Chazley dude is a joke!!!!!!!!

You are the biggest idiot clueless fuck on these boards! Lakaluva is a joke and funny at times, but you are on our side and back BONNER and think he should play alot! Shows you are beyond a fucking idiot and the worst poster ever in here POP! POP you suck! Tim got you the rings, just give it up now Bonner sucks.

SINCE PJ Left you suck POP! Bonner sat in 07 we win our last title, go figure yuou idiot!!!!!!!!!!

[chazley]

If you are up against Bonner you will eat him like grapefruit, period!!!!!! This Chazley dude is a joke!!!!!!!!

April Fools is over. It's the only explanation I can think of that doesn't involve you being, literally, mentally retarded.

[Sean Cagney]

April Fools is over. It's the only explanation I can think of that doesn't involve you being, literally, mentally retarded.

You are by far the dumbest idiot on these boards and we all agree bro! You suck and your stats are shit, period! You never won a battle in here, you lose all of them like Bonner and his threes later in the year you are 0 for!!!!!!!!

[chazley]

The day when people provide proof/stats/facts to back up their argument, I'll gladly respect their opinion and maybe even change mine. Bottom line is, though, no one cares to do that. They wanna try and prove me wrong just by saying 'well from what I SEE'.

If someone tells you they saw an alien in their backyard, what are you gonna say?

Give me proof.

That's all I ask for.

[Sean Cagney]

The day when people provide proof/stats/facts to back up their argument, I'll gladly respect their opinion and maybe even change mine. Bottom line is, though, no one cares to do that. They wanna try and prove me wrong just by saying 'well from what I SEE'.

If someone tells you they saw an alien in their backyard, what are you gonna say?

Give me proof.

That's all I ask for.

Whats yoru stat +2 tonight? You said you wold be gone till the playoffs, yet you are still here? WHY? I said we were better without him, I said 14-50 shooting since Miami, is that wrong? I said 13-3 without him! How is he good exactly? Is he a great defender? OH HELL NO we all know that, a great rebounder for a tall dude :rollin:rollin:rollin, NO! Has he shot well lately? NO :rollin:rollin. What you got after that sides his first half stats? He shot well yes I liked it then and knew he would fade out as well, period and he did and started it early this year! Next game 1-6, but he had a plus your idiot ass will say! I see it now.

BTW I see your sig, I need a doctor, well his shot does too and his overall game, yet he still plays 25 tonight. how many times your idiot ass gotta get owned before you admit you were wrong bro?

[chazley]

Sean, I'm ignoring you. You can post as much as you want, but from now on I'll never see another post of yours again. It's just too painful to read your posts.

[Sean Cagney]

Sean, I'm ignoring you. You can post as much as you want, but from now on I'll never see another post of yours again. It's just too painful to read your posts.

Read my facts you mean! Why are you here anyways, own up to your bet and get the flying 747 fuck outta here till the playoffs, yes those when your GOD CHOKES again this year.

Your rebuttles are always weak, you think you win but they are always shit and everyone sees that but your idiot ass.

[UnWantedTheory]

Not seeing any self ownage.
This seems to solidify the point of self ownage me thinks.

[Sean Cagney]

just gtfo

.................:rollin

[cherylsteele]

You obviously only watch Bonner when he makes mistakes.

Green did not light up Bonner. He had one turnaround jumper and a fastbreak point where Matt hustled his ass off but the guards decided not to get back on the break. Matt actually beat our guards down the floor.

He was VERY active on the offensive glass against Boston. Won't see any Spurs fans giving him credit though.

I wish you guys would watch a game and objectively right down the pros and cons of every possession matt bonner plays. You'd be pleasantly surprised.
I can't help but see mistakes, that is all he doing these days, Tiago out scored him in under the 4 minutes he was on the floor. Matt bricked every shot tonight, all were uncontested, and they weren't even close

Yes, Green scored at will, even the national announcers saw it, Stevie Wonder could see it, you are the only one that doesn't see this, The Spurs were up 4, I think, when Bonner came in and Green became an istant all-star, the momentum turned in Boston's favor, Matt did nothing of consequence to counter this. It is Pop's fault for leaving him in there. When he is making 3's, he is an good asset for the team, but he hasn't since the ASB, and that has been his career MO.

He wasn't very effective at all on the glass at all, just 2 "O" boards, the same amount has Neal. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier in the season, but he is Horry totaly opposite, Horry played like an All-Star down the stretch, Bonner should be on the bench down the strecth.

You only look at the stats, this is not fantasy basketball.

Your BBIQ is ZERO.

[cherylsteele]

12-50 threes since Miami, is that good you idiot? What else does he do if he is not hitting a three? NOTHING! Thats another stat for you bro! Thats horrible.
Stats....who needs them.

[Agloco]

12-50 threes since Miami, is that good you idiot? What else does he do if he is not hitting a three? NOTHING! Thats another stat for you bro! Thats horrible.

Why does this surprise you? Did you expect him to continue to shoot 50% from 3?

[chazley]

I can't help but see mistakes, that is all he doing these days, Tiago out scored him in under the 4 minutes he was on the floor. Matt bricked every shot tonight, all were uncontested, and they weren't even close

Yes, Green scored at will, even the national announcers saw it, Stevie Wonder could see it, you are the only one that doesn't see this, The Spurs were up 4, I think, when Bonner came in and Green became an istant all-star, the momentum turned in Boston's favor, Matt did nothing of consequence to counter this. It is Pop's fault for leaving him in there. When he is making 3's, he is an good asset for the team, but he hasn't since the ASB, and that has been his career MO.

He wasn't very effective at all on the glass at all, just 2 "O" boards, the same amount has Neal. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier in the season, but he is Horry totaly opposite, Horry played like an All-Star down the stretch, Bonner should be on the bench down the strecth.

You only look at the stats, this is not fantasy basketball.

Your BBIQ is ZERO.

Even the ESPN announcers during the game commented how Bonner was getting O rebounds and all around being a pest on the glass. You just totally discount this and even say he was effective, then randomly act like I'm comparing him to Horry... not sure where this came from.

What I'm trying to prove is that Bonner doesn't have to be draining threes for him to be ineffective. He can still be an effective piece when he's not hitting threes. I have backed this up with stats.

Funny how people say Bonner gets murdered by Green, how much of a liability Bonner was, yet he was the only Spur who posted a positive +/- against Boston. Guess he just got owned though, right?

Don't know where you thought you say me say Bonner>Tiago either. Before Tim got injured, I was very down on Splitter, but Tiago has been playing great since then and he should, without a doubt, be the first big off the bench and Bonner should be the 4th big playing 15-20 minutes.

[Wilford Brimley]

smh

[ElNono]

lol wtf, I responded to all your posts that weren't stupid jokes.

None of my responses were stupid jokes.


And you basically just admitted that a LINEUP with Bonner in it is good, which has been my point all along. He's a perfect role player for this team. I've never made him out to be a great individual player. I laugh at him just as much as the next guy when he dribbles.

Never admitted such a thing. So let's tack English lessons to actually watching the games. :lol


By the way, Bonner plays alongside Blair and Duncan. Not sure what your point is?

My point is that any lineup that includes Duncan will tilt the +/- on the defensive side, seeing he's far and out our best defender. That's why +/- is a horrible stat to measure individual performances.
We can look at a lot of actual individual advanced stats that point out Matty to be garbage. PER, DWS, etc. I can probably bring 2 advanced stats that show Matty to be a below average player for every 1 advanced stat that shows otherwise.

[ElNono]

To be honest, I don't give a shit, because it doesn't matter.

Here's your answer anyway:

Without Bonner this season: 16 games, 13-3

But since we're using small sample sizes, I'll give you another one:

After Bonner returned from his first injury this season, we were 19-2 in our next 21 games.

I mean seriously, if you wanna use small, meaningless sample sizes I can come up with alot more that prove my point than you can.

So, with or without him the Spurs were cruising... thanks for making the point for us... :tu

And lol @ small sample size. 37 games is almost half the season.

[chazley]

None of my responses were stupid jokes.



Never admitted such a thing. So let's tack English lessons to actually watching the games. :lol



My point is that any lineup that includes Duncan will tilt the +/- on the defensive side, seeing he's far and out our best defender. That's why +/- is a horrible stat to measure individual performances.
We can look at a lot of actual individual advanced stats that point out Matty to be garbage. PER, DWS, etc. I can probably bring 2 advanced stats that show Matty to be a below average player for every 1 advanced stat that shows otherwise.

Well I posted 5 different advanced stats for Bonner in my last thread, so let's see those 10 advanced stats you've got up your sleeve.

I'll go back and point out the post we're referring to just to prove it was filled with jokes instead of any actual facts...

[ElNono]

Even the ESPN announcers during the game commented how Bonner was getting O rebounds and all around being a pest on the glass. You just totally discount this and even say he was effective, then randomly act like I'm comparing him to Horry... not sure where this came from.

3 RPG career average... enough said.


What I'm trying to prove is that Bonner doesn't have to be draining threes for him to be ineffective.

Completely agree. :lol


He can still be an effective piece when he's not hitting threes. I have backed this up with stats.

??? He's worthless when not hitting. I can back that up with stats too.


Funny how people say Bonner gets murdered by Green, how much of a liability Bonner was, yet he was the only Spur who posted a positive +/- against Boston. Guess he just got owned though, right?


Completely unrelated. Green murdered him. Unless you missed the game.
Rondo murdered him. Unless you missed the game. Plus/minus just tells me he was on the floor most of the time with TD/TP/Manu...


Don't know where you thought you say me say Bonner>Tiago either. Before Tim got injured, I was very down on Splitter, but Tiago has been playing great since then and he should, without a doubt, be the first big off the bench and Bonner should be the 4th big playing 15-20 minutes.

There's no 20 mins for Bonner if Splitter moves ahead of him. So, I much rather Splitter get 15-20, and Bonner whatever is left.

[chazley]

No, they actually play 4 on 6. You can't underestimate the opposing team running their offense through Matty.


Pretty much. Watching by the sidelines when the rest of the team does the heavy lifting is indeed something grandma could do. Heck, grandma might luck out and hit a wide open 3. Then the other team would actually have to guard grandma.



I don't. It's just that the bad outdoes the good on a consistent basis.
His good is that he tries hard. He's just not a good player.



I try hard to be a NBA player too, but I don't get to be one. Trying hard means jack shit when you don't produce any results.

The rest of your banter really means you don't watch the games: Bonner is a mediocre defender. To the point of teams blatantly going at him possession after possession. His 3 rpg for a 6'10 guy is among the worst in the league. He doesn't stretch anything because when his shot if off, like it's been for the past dozen games, he's not worth guarding. When his shot is on, he's just not a volume shooter that actually is worth guarding with a big man (any midget running at him will make him put the ball on the floor). Furthermore, even when scorching hot, he's only going to put less than 10ppg on you.

In other words, if you're going to defend Bonner, at least look at him play.

First off, I like Bonner as our 4th big man. People think I want him to star on this team, but I don't. Pop plays him as our 3rd big man though, so it's harder to defend him. However, I still think he is an effective 3rd big.

If you look at your post, only the last 2nd to last paragraph has any sort of opinion in it. Again, I will never say Bonner is an above-average rebounder. It is his biggest weakness, I've never denied it. However, when you're talking about a bench big man, they're going to have glaring weaknesses. It's why they come off the bench.

When he's scorching hot, his value goes beyond simple PPG. It's getting annoying to keep repeating this, but Bonner is our main screen setter when he's in the game because of his pick-and-pop ability. When he's on fire, the lanes it opens up are incredible because suddenly they've got a big switched onto the guards and a small guy on Bonner. Pick your poison. The thing is, +/- is one of the only things that measures Bonner's importance to our offense in particular, because he does things for our offense that simply cannot be measured by stats.

[chazley]

3 RPG career average... enough said.



Completely agree. :lol



??? He's worthless when not hitting. I can back that up with stats too.



Completely unrelated. Green murdered him. Unless you missed the game.
Rondo murdered him. Unless you missed the game. Plus/minus just tells me he was on the floor most of the time with TD/TP/Manu...



There's no 20 mins for Bonner if Splitter moves ahead of him. So, I much rather Splitter get 15-20, and Bonner whatever is left.

Oh god, you just love me owning you don't you?

Again, I'm not gonna defend his rebounding. However, he does give effort. It's not like he doesn't try.

Obviously mispoke about ineffective.

Go ahead and back it up then. Empty threats mean nothing to me.

TD/Manu/Tony all has negative +/- in the game. Not sure what your point is... if they had carried Bonner and he was a liability their +/- would've been higher than his...

Perfect playoff minutes breakdown IMO:

Tim: 35 minutes
McDyess: 25 minutes
Tiago: 20 minutes
Bonner: 15-20 minutes, varying on big foul trouble.

There's minutes there.

[chazley]

Alright, I went back and looked at some stats... I'll let you have it though.

[Agloco]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

[Wilford Brimley]

Chazley just stfu and leave. Not one of your points can be taken seriously and frankly, you're just fucking annoying. If I saw you in real life I'd hit you with a hammer. You piss me off, go away.

[chazley]

19-15 when Bonner hits 1 or less three.

25-3 when he hits 2 or more threes.

I gathered these very quickly, so the records might be a little off.

This stats are only meaningful if you want to argue that Bonner is an integral part of the Spurs though. These stats can also be directly correlated to minutes played, because when Bonner gets more than his average minutes he gets in a rhythm and has more chances to hit threes, therefore our team has a better record.

[chazley]

Chazley just stfu and leave. Not one of your points can be taken seriously and frankly, you're just fucking annoying. If I saw you in real life I'd hit you with a hammer. You piss me off, go away.

You're the one posting in my thread. You're free to leave and never come back, I don't blame you for posting your opinion on what we're discussing because, as you know, I'd crush you.

[Wilford Brimley]

You're the one posting in my thread. You're free to leave and never come back, I don't blame you for posting your opinion on what we're discussing because, as you know, I'd crush you.

Your shitty thread is constantly atop this page--and yes, I know I'm doing my part to help you with that now--but it needs to go away.

I'm not lying. If I saw you in real life I'd bludgeon your skull with my new DeWalt hammer.

gtfo

[ElNono]

Well I posted 5 different advanced stats for Bonner in my last thread, so let's see those 10 advanced stats you've got up your sleeve.

Defensive Win Shares (Estimated number of games provided by the player due to his defense):

Regular Season:
Bonner 09-10: 1.6
Bonner 10-11: 1.3
Blair 09-10: 2.8
Blair 10-11: 3.0
Dice 09-10: 2.6
Dice 10-11: 1.9

Playoffs:
Bonner 08-09: 0.1
Bonner 09-10: 0.1
Blair 08-09: N/A
Blair 09-10: 0.2
Dice 08-09: 0.1 (Pistons)
Dice 09-10: 0.3

Defensive Rating (Estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions):

Regular Season:
Bonner 09-10: 104
Bonner 10-11: 108
Blair 09-10: 101
Blair 10-11: 100
Dice 09-10: 103
Dice 10-11: 103

Playoffs:
Bonner 08-09: 112
Bonner 09-10: 112
Blair 08-09: N/A
Blair 09-10: 101
Dice 08-09: 109 (Pistons)
Dice 09-10: 109

Total Rebound Percentage (Estimate of the percentage of available rebounds grabbed by the player when he was on the floor):

Regular Season:
Bonner 09-10: 10.8
Bonner 10-11: 9.3
Blair 09-10: 20.6
Blair 10-11: 18.7
Dice 09-10: 16.5
Dice 10-11: 16.4

Playoffs:
Bonner 08-09: 9.7
Bonner 09-10: 10.6
Blair 08-09: N/A
Blair 09-10: 24.5
Dice 08-09: 16.3 (Pistons)
Dice 09-10: 15.7

------------------------------

Worse, or tied worse, in EVERY defensive category. At times, significantly worse. And those are actual individual stats. Harvested from basketball-reference.com

[ElNono]

Oh god, you just love owning me you don't you?

You're just too easy, chaz...

You should stick to RMJ, who is currently a borderline NBA player... we all know how this ends.

[chazley]

I've also shown that 4 of our top 5 defensive lineups include Bonner. You're trying to base your argument entirely around his defense, when it's blatantly obvious to any person who has watched a Spurs game knows his major contribution is on the offensive side.

Why don't you post those numbers?

[cherylsteele]

Even the ESPN announcers during the game commented how Bonner was getting O rebounds and all around being a pest on the glass. You just totally discount this and even say he was effective, then randomly act like I'm comparing him to Horry... not sure where this came from.

What I'm trying to prove is that Bonner doesn't have to be draining threes for him to be ineffective. He can still be an effective piece when he's not hitting threes. I have backed this up with stats.
Funny how people say Bonner gets murdered by Green, how much of a liability Bonner was, yet he was the only Spur who posted a positive +/- against Boston. Guess he just got owned though, right?

Don't know where you thought you say me say Bonner>Tiago either. Before Tim got injured, I was very down on Splitter, but Tiago has been playing great since then and he should, without a doubt, be the first big off the bench and Bonner should be the 4th big playing 15-20 minutes.
So...is he ineffective or effective in your world?

At least Horry produced when the game was on the line, I compared him to Horry because Horry always started off slow then became solid after the ASB, Bonne is the total opposite. You keep implying that Boner is the next great thing since sliced bread. Tim has had horrible +/- games but 9/10 produces when the game is on the line.

Bonner just didn't owned he got steamrolled, he needs to be selling sodas in the stands right now, that is where he would most effective.

Bonner playing 15-20 min, that 15-20 minutes too many, you keep bringing up this +/- stat, I look at the final score and why we got there. He shouldn't even play in garbage time, I would even think twice if all our bigs got into foul trouble or had injuriy issues, I'd rather see small at the moment than Bonner even close to being on the court.

The announcers said just the opposite about Bonner's rebounding effort, you obviously didn't watch the game. There is more to the game than stats, you sound like one of those fantasy Bball players.

[chazley]

So...is he ineffective or effective in your world?

At least Horry produced when the game was on the line, I compared him to Horry because Horry always started off slow then became solid after the ASB, Bonne is the total opposite. You keep implying that Boner is the next great thing since sliced bread. Tim has had horrible +/- games but 9/10 produces when the game is on the line.

Bonner just didn't owned he got steamrolled, he needs to be selling sodas in the stands right now, that is where he would most effective.

Bonner playing 15-20 min, that 15-20 minutes too many, you keep bringing up this +/- stat, I look at the final score and why we got there. He shouldn't even play in garbage time, I would even think twice if all our bigs got into foul trouble or had injuriy issues, I'd rather see small at the moment than Bonner even close to being on the court.

The announcers said just the opposite about Bonner's rebounding effort, you obviously didn't watch the game. There is more to the game than stats, you sound like one of those fantasy Bball players.

What I got from the first paragraph... "I compare Bonner and Horry because they're complete opposites"

Bonner gets owned/steamrolled... yet our team is +10.6 per 48 minutes when he's on the court. Thanks for your critical analysis.

I didn't get to watch the Houston game, I unfortunately have to care for a sick grandma by myself and was busy. This forum just gives me something to do.

Advanced stats have nothing to do with fantasy basketball. They simply account for more than just the basic stats, which fantasy uses.

[chazley]

Also, Tim RARELY has bad +/- games.

[ElNono]

I've also shown that 4 of our top 5 defensive lineups include Bonner. You're trying to base your argument entirely around his defense, when it's blatantly obvious to any person who has watched a Spurs game knows his major contribution is on the offensive side.

Why don't you post those numbers?

Because you keep arguing his defense, and how he can be effective when he's not scoring the 3...

Now that we dispelled that myth, hopefully we can put that argument to rest...

As far as his offense, I stick to my argument. As an 'amazing' shooter he is, he is no more than a < 10 ppg player. He also doesn't require another big to pay attention to him, which renders the whole 'stretching the floor' moot.
You still haven't countered those arguments, and that's because you simply cannot.

During the playoffs, his Offensive Winning Shares were -0.2(!) for 08-09 and 0.1 for 09-10 (basically non-existent contribution to winning).

Want more stats? There's more. Let's take PER, an advanced stat that actually benefit offensive players. Matty's PER this season is 13.1. The league average is 15. When I tell you he's a below average player, the numbers back it up.

[ElNono]

My work is done here. I posted 15 individual advances stats, and contrasted them against both the young sophomore that only has one season under his belt, and the seasoned vet. Both of which produce much more than Matty.

You can keep clinging on your 5 +/- lineups that have nothing to do with individual performance. At this point the only one you're trying to convince is yourself.

And do me a favor chaz, actually get your eyes out of the books and watch the games. It can't be more evident.

[chazley]

lol PER is obviously not going to benefit a player who's sole benefit offensively is shooting threes. Are you seriously going to use that in your argument?

What do you mean I haven't answered your argument about him being no more than a <10 ppg player? I've already laid out why that is irrelevant.

And yes, a big DOES have to defend Bonner. I don't know what magical fairy world you live in where the PF on every team just sags off Bonner every possession, but if you're gonna argue that I big doesn't have to come out and guard Bonner, then there's no hope.

I've also stated why those playoff win shares/his shitty shooting % mean nothing.

HES A ROLE PLAYER.

In 08-09, our roster was decimated and our second best player was a gimpy Tim, and our third best was (gulp) RMJ.

In 09-10, he actually had a good Pheonix series after sucking against the Mavs, when Tony was still recovering from injury.

He relies on our other players to get his shot and cannot create on his own. I'm not gonna argue otherwise. But there's nothing wrong with that when you have a healthy Tim/Manu/Tony on your team, like we did all season until March. He was balling until we started getting injured.

You posted 2 or 3 advanced stats... where did you get 15 from? I've posted way more advanced stats than you have in my other threads, and in fact Chieflion just tried to make an anti-bonner post that backed me up, it was funny to read.

Please, clarify what argument you thought I didn't answer. I don't shy away from anything.

[Sense]

lol PER is obviously not going to benefit a player who's sole benefit offensively is shooting threes. Are you seriously going to use that in your argument?

What do you mean I haven't answered your argument about him being no more than a <10 ppg player? I've already laid out why that is irrelevant.

And yes, a big DOES have to defend Bonner. I don't know what magical fairy world you live in where the PF on every team just sags off Bonner every possession, but if you're gonna argue that I big doesn't have to come out and guard Bonner, then there's no hope.

I've also stated why those playoff win shares/his shitty shooting % mean nothing.

HES A ROLE PLAYER.

In 08-09, our roster was decimated and our second best player was a gimpy Tim, and our third best was (gulp) RMJ.

In 09-10, he actually had a good Pheonix series after sucking against the Mavs, when Tony was still recovering from injury.

He relies on our other players to get his shot and cannot create on his own. I'm not gonna argue otherwise. But there's nothing wrong with that when you have a healthy Tim/Manu/Tony on your team, like we did all season until March. He was balling until we started getting injured.

You posted 2 or 3 advanced stats... where did you get 15 from? I've posted way more advanced stats than you have in my other threads, and in fact Chieflion just tried to make an anti-bonner post that backed me up, it was funny to read.

Please, clarify what argument you thought I didn't answer. I don't shy away from anything.

the fuck you still doing here.. do you remember your first post on this thread?

[cherylsteele]

What I got from the first paragraph... "I compare Bonner and Horry because they're complete opposites"

Bonner gets owned/steamrolled... yet our team is +10.6 per 48 minutes when he's on the court. Thanks for your critical analysis.

I didn't get to watch the Houston game, I unfortunately have to care for a sick grandma by myself and was busy. This forum just gives me something to do.

Advanced stats have nothing to do with fantasy basketball. They simply account for more than just the basic stats, which fantasy uses.
But he is the reason we are losing these games because he is not producing. That +/- stat is for the whole team while his playing. You are the only one on this whole forum not seeing this.

You didn't watch any of the other games either.

[cherylsteele]

Wasn't counting on the Celtics hitting 20 in a row from 16-20 feet.

See you guys in mid-April.

and a big lol to all the haters. Must be nice, you get to keep spewing your garbage without anyone knowledgeable coming in to put all of you in your place.

But I am a man of my word.
Then why did you come back and post?

[TE]

Does anyone know that this chazley fellow is just a troll? Quit responding to his basketball takes. Let him die.

[chazley]

But he is the reason we are losing these games because he is not producing. That +/- stat is for the whole team while his playing. You are the only one on this whole forum not seeing this.

You didn't watch any of the other games either.


Good lord, how many times do I have to use the analogy, just throw my grandma in there to replace Bonner and see how well both she and our team does +/- wise while she's on the court.

It wouldn't be pretty.

[honestfool84]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.

damn... :depressed

if only chazley was a man of his word.

[Sean Cagney]

My work is done here. I posted 15 individual advances stats, and contrasted them against both the young sophomore that only has one season under his belt, and the seasoned vet. Both of which produce much more than Matty.

You can keep clinging on your 5 +/- lineups that have nothing to do with individual performance. At this point the only one you're trying to convince is yourself.

And do me a favor chaz, actually get your eyes out of the books and watch the games. It can't be more evident.

Don't worry this idiot will come back with the +2 the other night although he was 0-5 and say he hit three today and we won! You can post all the stats you want to but his FACTS or so called is all he cares about, although the idiot thinks BONNER is a good defender so that shows you how dumb he really is. :rollin:rollin

To quote Sheed, give the ball to whoever Bonner is on, good defenders do not have a soul say that about them.
Does anyone know that this chazley fellow is just a troll? Quit responding to his basketball takes. Let him die.

If he is not a troll he is the biggeset idiot on earth! Yet talks about facts, IQ and calls people easy or idiots and says he owns them :lol:lol. He is alone in this world, in his own lane I tell you.

[Cessation]

Don't worry this idiot will come back with the +2 the other night although he was 0-5 and say he hit three today and we won! You can post all the stats you want to but his FACTS or so called is all he cares about, although the idiot thinks BONNER is a good defender so that shows you how dumb he really is. :rollin:rollin

To quote Sheed, give the ball to whoever Bonner is on, good defenders do not have a soul say that about them.

If he is not a troll he is the biggeset idiot on earth! Yet talks about facts, IQ and calls people easy or idiots and says he owns them :lol:lol. He is alone in this world, in his own lane I tell you.

Damn, Sean Cagney you pwned this troll so hard, that he had to put you on ignore, lol.

[chazley]

Damn, Sean Cagney you pwned this troll so hard, that he had to put you on ignore, lol.

Nothing logical ever came out of that dudes mouth. Sean Cagney is like a punching bag, you can punch/kick/own the shit out of it, but you're never gonna beat it no matter how awesome you are. The only thing Sean Cagney pwns is a box of twinkies before bed everynight.

[Sean Cagney]

Nothing logical ever came out of that dudes mouth. Sean Cagney is like a punching bag, you can punch/kick/own the shit out of it, but you're never gonna beat it no matter how awesome you are. The only thing Sean Cagney pwns is a box of twinkies before bed everynight.

In your little mind, in others minds you lose every single argument you have ever been in, this is no different. You are hated by Spurs fans for GODS SAKES, your own teams fans call you an idiot and say you lost! You know you lost when that happens there bro :rollin:rollin Ur an idiot, give it up.

You win? We don't believe you and you need more people! You are in your own little world as I said, which is the world of delusional fucks. Ur like a fucking retard on acid man, totally out of touch.

[Cessation]

In your little mind, in others minds you lose every single argument you have ever been in, this is no different. You are hated by Spurs fans for GODS SAKES, your own teams fans call you an idiot and say you lost! You know you lost when that happens there bro :rollin:rollin Ur an idiot, give it up.

You win? We don't believe you and you need more people! You are in your own little world as I said, which is the world of delusional fucks. Ur like a fucking retard on acid man, totally out of touch.

LOL "retard on acid"

You pwning too hard Sean Cagney, he might be scarred for life.

[Chieflion]

I thought I saw a post yesterday that was missing today. Did chazley delete that shit?

[Sean Cagney]

LOL "retard on acid"

You pwning too hard Sean Cagney, he might be scarred for life.

Yes but this idiot will say he owned me when not one other soul thinks so and say I am too easy to battle with! He only wins in his little mind, I am convinced he is Bonner on a phone posting trying to defend himself while in reality crying his self to sleep! If his wife saw my posts she would even cry!
19-15 when Bonner hits 1 or less three.

25-3 when he hits 2 or more threes.

I gathered these very quickly, so the records might be a little off.

.

Well tell him to hit more threes then and we win out! I mean during that streak he did not do it, so he needs to obviously hit more threes for us to win our games and is our saviour! The thing is he will dissapear more often than not late. PHX was not a true test at home and he hit them, ATL on the road next, lets see what he does. I am sure though it's his threes that wins it and not others out there as well! YES OUR 6th option or so is our KEY!

BTW still around 13-3 when he is out, around that.

[chazley]

I thought I saw a post yesterday that was missing today. Did chazley delete that shit?

Haven't deleted anything in recent memory.

[Mel_13]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.


Haven't deleted anything in recent memory.

[Sense]

The sad thing is I expected this idiot to stop posting because it's only a few days :lol

[cheguevara]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.

:lmao

this faggot is beyond pathetic. Good riddance. :toast

[chazley]

What do those two quotes have to do with one another?

[Obstructed_View]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.

[ohmwrecker]

The playoffs started?!

[cheguevara]

another welcher in the tree of woe

[Mel_13]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.


What do those two quotes have to do with one another?

[chazley]

Look, I get it. You guys are tired of me consistantly owning all of you when you try to debate with me.

It's understandable.

However, you guys can stop beating around the bush, it's obvious you're just admitting defeat with these posts.

[Mel_13]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.


Look, I get it. You guys are tired of me consistantly owning all of you when you try to debate with me.

It's understandable.

However, you guys can stop beating around the bush, it's obvious you're just admitting defeat with these posts.

[timtonymanu]

How exactly are you "owning" people? If you really owned someone, you would have made him/her want to leave the board for good. As far as I know, we're all still here. You're the only one who believes that. No one will ever take you seriously on this board. If anything, you're just owning yourself by not sticking to your word.

Cue buh buh how am I owning myself? If you can't comprehend that simple concept, your credibility isn't worth shit.

[chazley]

How exactly are you "owning" people? If you really owned someone, you would have made him/her want to leave the board for good. As far as I know, we're all still here. You're the only one who believes that. No one will ever take you seriously on this board. If anything, you're just owning yourself by not sticking to your word.

Cue buh buh how am I owning myself? If you can't comprehend that simple concept, your credibility isn't worth shit.

If you can't comprehend that I'm owning whoever tries to debate me, your credibility isn't worth shit.

Look, it's not even a matter of me being right and them being wrong. It's a matter of bringing a well-thought out opinion to the discussion. So far, whenever someone has done so, I have respectfully responded to their opinion, and in some cases in the past I have even changed my view/opinion. So, when I say I own someone, it is because they aren't saying anything intelligent. They simply respond with one or two sentence responses that bring nothing to the other side of the argument, even if they're right. I could think of a million anti-Bonner angles people could use, and they don't. I might not even be pro-Bonner, I just like the debate. Since all I usually do on this board is defend Matt, there is this illusion that I think he is some sort of basketball god, when in fact it couldn't be further from the truth. In my opinion, he should be the fourth big on this team behind Tiago/McDyess/Duncan. I was very down on Tiago, and in a previous post I actually ripped him. T

This is why using small samples is so dangerous. In the small sample that I had on Tiago, he was really sucking. Since he was able to get in a rhythm when Tim went down, however, he seems to have found another gear and everytime he steps on the court I am happy to see it.

This is also why using the recent 10-15 game stretch where Bonner struggled was so stupid. People completely forgot about the early part of the season where he was having a big games for us consistantly and just wanted to use the stretch where he sucked.

Regression to the Mean (RTM) is a real thing. Bonner was not going to keep up his +50% 3-point shooting, and was due to have a terrible shooting slump. He still leads the league in 3-point%, and no one wants to give him credit for that.

Again, I think Matt Bonner is a key part of this team when he's playing 15-20 minutes. He should not be playing past the 6-minute mark of the fourth quarter though. He is a perfect change-of-pace big, where is he very very effective in small doses but his usefulness comes down as the game wears down, except on nights when he's superhuman from 3.

[Mel_13]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.


If you .....

Lots more words that don't matter coming from a welcher.

[honestfool84]

:lol

[chazley]

Only gonna reply to you once Mel. I'd give the fart in the wind analogy, but you're less important than the farts that come out of my ass.

Get a life.

[Mel_13]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.


Welcher farts.

[Sense]

:lol chazley keeps getting owned and yet he's still here..

[Obstructed_View]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.

[Sean Cagney]

:lol chazley keeps getting owned and yet he's still here..

Only in his stupid little mind does this idiot think he owns someone, he has to be a shock poster or a LD student.

I hope he is not serious, for his sake.

[chazley]

:lol chazley keeps getting owned and yet he's still here..

Quote one time where I got owned during a debate.

Seems like you guys are set on the fact I am getting owned, so just come up with ONE example where I got owned.

[Obstructed_View]

If I lose, I won't post on Spurstalk til playoffs.

But we aren't losing this game.

[jag]

Because you keep arguing his defense, and how he can be effective when he's not scoring the 3...

Now that we dispelled that myth, hopefully we can put that argument to rest...

As far as his offense, I stick to my argument. As an 'amazing' shooter he is, he is no more than a < 10 ppg player. He also doesn't require another big to pay attention to him, which renders the whole 'stretching the floor' moot.
You still haven't countered those arguments, and that's because you simply cannot.

During the playoffs, his Offensive Winning Shares were -0.2(!) for 08-09 and 0.1 for 09-10 (basically non-existent contribution to winning).

Want more stats? There's more. Let's take PER, an advanced stat that actually benefit offensive players. Matty's PER this season is 13.1. The league average is 15. When I tell you he's a below average player, the numbers back it up.

This is like a prison rape on a grand scale. I get the feeling Chazley has been made a bitch so many times he's actually starting to like it.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

:lol chazley keeps getting owned and yet he's still here..

He gets that from his mom.

[Giuseppe]

This is like a prison rape on a grand scale. I get the feeling Chazley has been made a bitch so many times he's actually starting to like it.

Also, it could be you projecting, Jaggy.:lol

[wontstartdumbthreads]

This is like a prison rape on a grand scale. I get the feeling Chazley has been made a bitch so many times he's actually starting to like it.

He gets that from his mom.

[jag]

Also, it could be you projecting, Jaggy.:lol

:lol i refuse to entertain you all morning. I'm getting a kick out of this chazley fellow