Wade or Shaq

[mavsfan1000]

Who is better and why?

[1Parker1]

Neither. Alonzo Mourning is...you see his 6 blocks? :)

[Dre_7]

Wade is more important to MIA and their future. Shaq wont last much longer, Wade is very young.

[Brutalis]

Wade has been... all along.

[mavsfan1000]

How did Shaq get second in the MVP voting then? :wtf

[1Parker1]

How did Shaq get second in the MVP voting then? :wtf


....That's what I was wondering...Who would you all have given 2nd place to? I'd have gone with Iverson.

[Dre_7]

Before the WCF I thought AI shoulda got it.

[mavsfan1000]

Wade>Iverson

[1Parker1]

Wade>Iverson


Iverson doesn't have the luxury to play next to Shaquille O'neal for 82 games.

[mavsfan1000]

Miami would've still won 45-50 games without Shaq.

[1Parker1]

Miami would've still won 45-50 games without Shaq.


Philadelphia would be a lottery bound team without Iverson. They even managed not to get swept in the first round, against the defending champs, which is more then I can say for the Nets.

Also, I agree that Miami is not a bad team without Shaq. However, it's not like Wade doesn't a lot of help. The Jones boys, Haslem, Mourning, Laetner, etc. plus a great coach in SVG.

[E20]

Wade is more important than Shaq. Iverson has shown so much heart and toughness that it isn't even funny comparing Wade to Iverson yet.

[mavsfan1000]

Iverson makes alot of dumb mistakes like turnovers, bad shot selection, and etc.

[1Parker1]

Wade is more important than Shaq. Iverson has shown so much heart and toughness that it isn't even funny comparing Wade to Iverson yet.


Yet, many people (esp. media) are even comparing Wade to Jordan... :rolleyes

[Chris]

Wade>Iverson

WOW, you're not only comparing an all-star baller like A.I. to Wade, but you want us to believe that Wade is better.

A.I.
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Field Goals Made 18 2 Times 21 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Field Goals Attempted 36 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 42 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Three Point Field Goals Made 5 @ Milwaukee 03/01/05 6 3 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 9 3 Times 14 @ Chicago 04/07/97
Free Throws Made 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Free Throws Attempted 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Offensive Rebounds 3 2 Times 5 4 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 3 Times 9 3 Times
Total Rebounds 10 vs. Denver 12/14/04 11 vs. Golden State 03/30/01
Assists 16 2 Times 16 2 Times
Steals 7 2 Times 9 2 Times
Blocks 1 9 Times 3 vs. Chicago 04/17/98
Minutes Played 53 vs. Miami 04/14/05 54 vs. Orlando 02/02/01





Wade
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Made 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Attempted 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Three Point Field Goals Made 3 @ Indiana 03/31/05 3 2 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05
Free Throws Made 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Free Throws Attempted 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Offensive Rebounds 6 @ Toronto 12/12/04 6 2 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 5 Times 8 7 Times
Total Rebounds 10 4 Times 10 5 Times
Assists 12 3 Times 12 3 Times
Steals 5 2 Times 6 vs. New Orleans 03/16/04
Blocks 4 2 Times 4 2 Times
Minutes Played 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05






Not to mention A.I dominated almost every category in the NBA

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(30.7) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(7.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.4) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.3)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3174.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(771.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1818.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(656.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(786.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Assists(596.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals(180.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2302.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.66) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.49)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(9.92) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.89)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes(9.0) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.72)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(34.8) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(344.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1865.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(24.87)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.59) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(5.2)



No need to post Wade's AVERAGE stats in those categories.


You can't compare greatness with role players. Wade will never be an all-star.

[spurster]

Need both.

[1Parker1]

Iverson makes alot of dumb mistakes like turnovers, bad shot selection, and etc.


Wade averages a lot of TO's also. I'll give you that AI may take bad shots sometimes, but looking at his team, I'd say he has the best shot at making something.

[1Parker1]

WOW, you're not only comparing an all-star baller like A.I. to Wade, but you want us to believe that Wade is better.

A.I.
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Field Goals Made 18 2 Times 21 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Field Goals Attempted 36 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 42 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Three Point Field Goals Made 5 @ Milwaukee 03/01/05 6 3 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 9 3 Times 14 @ Chicago 04/07/97
Free Throws Made 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Free Throws Attempted 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Offensive Rebounds 3 2 Times 5 4 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 3 Times 9 3 Times
Total Rebounds 10 vs. Denver 12/14/04 11 vs. Golden State 03/30/01
Assists 16 2 Times 16 2 Times
Steals 7 2 Times 9 2 Times
Blocks 1 9 Times 3 vs. Chicago 04/17/98
Minutes Played 53 vs. Miami 04/14/05 54 vs. Orlando 02/02/01





Wade
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Made 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Attempted 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Three Point Field Goals Made 3 @ Indiana 03/31/05 3 2 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05
Free Throws Made 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Free Throws Attempted 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Offensive Rebounds 6 @ Toronto 12/12/04 6 2 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 5 Times 8 7 Times
Total Rebounds 10 4 Times 10 5 Times
Assists 12 3 Times 12 3 Times
Steals 5 2 Times 6 vs. New Orleans 03/16/04
Blocks 4 2 Times 4 2 Times
Minutes Played 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05






Not to mention A.I dominated almost every category in the NBA

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(30.7) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(7.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.4) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.3)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3174.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(771.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1818.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(656.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(786.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Assists(596.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals(180.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2302.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.66) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.49)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(9.92) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.89)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes(9.0) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.72)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(34.8) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(344.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1865.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(24.87)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.59) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(5.2)



No need to post Wade's AVERAGE stats in those categories.


You can't compare greatness with role players. Wade will never be an all-star.


Nice find out the Stats to back me up. However, must point out, Wade was already an All-Star this year.

[E20]

Chris gave the stats but, saying that Wade will never be an All-Star is kind of of far out, he made the All-Star team this year. He will be a great player but, it's only his 2nd year to start comparing him to such players.

[Chris]

Chris gave the stats but, saying that Wade will never be an All-Star is kind of of far out, he made the All-Star team this year. He will be a great player but, it's only his 2nd year to start comparing him to such players.

My point was Wade will never be as great as A.I. I have tremendous respect for both players.

[mavsfan1000]

Last year Wade was a role player but he really has picked up his game this year. I wouldn't be able to tell if Iverson could lead a team to a championship but stats don't tell the whole story. Wade shoots about 7% better than Iverson from FG% and has averages 2 more rebounds. Without Shaq, Wade would have to score more points and do everything.
Wade 47.8% 24.2ppg 5.2RPG 6.8Assists 3.21Turnovers 1.57SPG
Iverson 42.4% 4RPG 7.9 Assists 4.59 Turnovers Steals 2.4
It is quality vs. quantity with Wade and Iverson

[pjjrfan]

but Iverson carries his team, he has very little help. Wade has Shag and a solid team to help him out.

[mavsfan1000]

Iverson carries his team but he also takes his team out of rhythm to get going.
For example Chris Webber played much better in Sacramento because he got shots in rhythm and often. He also turns the ball over alot which gives the other team easy baskets. I just don't think scoring averages are that important. I contrentrate on assists/turnover ratio, fg%, ft%, 3pt%, rebounding, blocks, and steals.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Miama fucked up by trading away its core for a guy name shaq, they still wouldve been competitive in teh east IMO. This trade is only for the short term, and after shaq leaves wade will be the only man left at the club and then they will have to start rebuildin around him...

[shaq_nd_d-wade=win]

WOW, you're not only comparing an all-star baller like A.I. to Wade, but you want us to believe that Wade is better.

A.I.
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Field Goals Made 18 2 Times 21 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Field Goals Attempted 36 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 42 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Three Point Field Goals Made 5 @ Milwaukee 03/01/05 6 3 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 9 3 Times 14 @ Chicago 04/07/97
Free Throws Made 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Free Throws Attempted 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Offensive Rebounds 3 2 Times 5 4 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 3 Times 9 3 Times
Total Rebounds 10 vs. Denver 12/14/04 11 vs. Golden State 03/30/01
Assists 16 2 Times 16 2 Times
Steals 7 2 Times 9 2 Times
Blocks 1 9 Times 3 vs. Chicago 04/17/98
Minutes Played 53 vs. Miami 04/14/05 54 vs. Orlando 02/02/01





Wade
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Made 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Attempted 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Three Point Field Goals Made 3 @ Indiana 03/31/05 3 2 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05
Free Throws Made 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Free Throws Attempted 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Offensive Rebounds 6 @ Toronto 12/12/04 6 2 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 5 Times 8 7 Times
Total Rebounds 10 4 Times 10 5 Times
Assists 12 3 Times 12 3 Times
Steals 5 2 Times 6 vs. New Orleans 03/16/04
Blocks 4 2 Times 4 2 Times
Minutes Played 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05






Not to mention A.I dominated almost every category in the NBA

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(30.7) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(7.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.4) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.3)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3174.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(771.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1818.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(656.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(786.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Assists(596.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals(180.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2302.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.66) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.49)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(9.92) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.89)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes(9.0) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.72)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(34.8) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(344.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1865.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(24.87)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.59) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(5.2)



No need to post Wade's AVERAGE stats in those categories.


You can't compare greatness with role players. Wade will never be an all-star.





its funny because this same d-wade dropped 48 on this baller iversons bum ass team. LOL

[duncan_21]

Iverson makes alot of dumb mistakes like turnovers, bad shot selection, and etc.

You also forgot that he doesn't play defense or practice and he definitely isn't a good teammate.

[mavsfan1000]

"We're talkin bout Practice"

[1Parker1]

Have any of you guys watched ANY 76ers games this past season??? Iverson took his game to the next level, played with a maturity that I have never seen him play with before, continually came up with clutch shots in the 4th quarter, litterally put the lottery bound team on his small back and carried them to the 7th seed.

Put Wade on the 76ers, and they'd end up around the same seed or lower then they are now.

[mavsfan1000]

Have any of you guys watched ANY 76ers games this past season??? Iverson took his game to the next level, played with a maturity that I have never seen him play with before, continually came up with clutch shots in the 4th quarter, litterally put the lottery bound team on his small back and carried them to the 7th seed.

Put Wade on the 76ers, and they'd end up around the same seed or lower then they are now.
Wade would get his teammates more involved. It is not all about scoring. Korver would be getting more open shots. Webber would get better shots and etc. Philadelphia I predict would have been the 4th or 5th seed. Alot of players can't coexist with Iverson.

[1Parker1]

Wade would get his teammates more involved. It is not all about scoring. Korver would be getting more open shots. Webber would get better shots and etc. Philadelphia I predict would have been the 4th or 5th seed. Alot of players can't coexist with Iverson.


Iverson averaged about 7-8 assists per game, and had many games this season with 10+ assists. How much more do you want him to involve his team-mates?

As for a lot of players can't coexist for Iverson? I can tell you first hand that I have not heard a single Sixers player this year say anything bad about Iverson. Guys like Korver and Igodala are always talking about how much they admire and respect AI's game.

Anyways, I am done arguing with the Wade vs AI debate. It's all a moot point. Just like people comparing him to MJ, etc. Right now, the way I see it, Wade is a very talented player who has the good fortune of playing alongside Shaq who has been a great mentor for him. He has quality team-mates and an excellent coach. Veteran guys like AI, who have been through a lot to get to where they are now, who have so much heart and experience, are in a class of their own.

[Chris]

Iverson averaged about 7-8 assists per game, and had many games this season with 10+ assists. How much more do you want him to involve his team-mates?



:owned


You'll never prove Wade is better than Iverson so just :stfu

[duncan_21]

Iverson is a stat guy. Wade makes his teammates better.

[mavsfan1000]

Iverson is a stat guy. Wade makes his teammates better.
I fear Wade more than Iverson knowing what he could do to opposing teams. Iverson always has the ball in his hands so of course he would get 8-10 assists.
Steve Nash proves that stats are overated.

[Chris]

Iverson always has the ball in his hands so of course he would get 8-10 assists.


Yeah thats what point guards do.

[mavsfan1000]

If you can't figure out Wade is a better team play than Iverson than it's not even worth giving logical explanations of this. Wade even last year had more success than Iverson. Iverson will never win a championship or even be close.
The only way to win with Iverson is to have a great defenders like Mutumbo and etc. :rolleyes

[1Parker1]

I fear Wade more than Iverson knowing what he could do to opposing teams. Iverson always has the ball in his hands so of course he would get 8-10 assists.
Steve Nash proves that stats are overated.


Right, he clearly proved that stats are over-rated after being the first to average nearly 20+ points and 10+ assists in the postseason for 6 games straight. Oh, and winning that MVP trophy also proved that his 12+ assists are overrated. :rolleyes

[1Parker1]

If you can't figure out Wade is a better team play than Iverson than it's not even worth giving logical explanations of this. Wade even last year had more success than Iverson. Iverson will never win a championship or even be close.
The only way to win with Iverson is to have a great defenders like Mutumbo and etc. :rolleyes


The only way to win with Wade is to have great defenders like Alonzo, Shaq, heck, even Eddie Jones, etc. :rolleyes


You are letting Iverson's past and reputation cloud the facts. I will admit, in the past he never would have won the team-player of the year award. But if you have watched and/or followed the 76ers this year, you can see that he has clearly matured and was playing at a level that was even greater than the year he won MVP. I agree, Iverons will never win a championship---and it's not because he's not a great player, it's because he doesn't have the help and coaching surrounding him.

[mavsfan1000]

The only way to win with Wade is to have great defenders like Alonzo, Shaq, heck, even Eddie Jones, etc. :rolleyes


You are letting Iverson's past and reputation cloud the facts. I will admit, in the past he never would have won the team-player of the year award. But if you have watched and/or followed the 76ers this year, you can see that he has clearly matured and was playing at a level that was even greater than the year he won MVP. I agree, Iverons will never win a championship---and it's not because he's not a great player, it's because he doesn't have the help and coaching surrounding him.
If you put Iverson instead of Wade on Miami do you expect him to shoot 49%. That is tough to do even if you are on a great team. Wade also shoots 80% from free throws. Stat padding on a bad team doesn't make you a great player. Wade has to share the ball with Shaq and Eddie Jones so his scoring average is not as high as it could be. Also Nash had more success when he scored less. Other teams forced him to be more of a scorer and it was tougher to get other players involved which wore him out usually in the 4th quarter.

[1Parker1]

What wore Nash out in the 4th quarter was him playing 40+ minutes all season long and not having a reliable backup. As I mentioned before, this is all moot. Dwayne Wade has yet to accomplish many of the things AI has: MVP award, being the captain/leader of a team, carrying your team to the Finals, winning a scoring title, etc. I am not saying that he won't win any of these things. However, Wade is only in his second year, I will continue this argument with you once he wins and gets to the same level Iverson, Nash and others have gotten to. Until then, I will never agree with your assessment that Wade>>>>>>>>>AI. Let's just call a draw for now.

[mavsfan1000]

I'll agree to disagree with you and we'll leave it that.

[1Parker1]

I'll agree to disagree with you and we'll leave it that.


:lol. Works for me. Good debating with you, however.
















PS, I am right, you are wrong :princess