Anarchism

[The Reckoning]

Government Shutdown Looms

(probably this Friday)


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/shutdown-showdown-republicans-democrats-express-optimism-deal/story?id=13308591

:corn:


ive already loaded up on ammo, food and water.

rooting for anarcho-syndicalism :cheer

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.slate.com/id/2289797/

[boutons_deux]

Being without an elected govt (the civil service continues, obviously) is very different from shutting down the federal civil service.

I'm pretty sure Barry and Dems will come out of a shutdown much better than the Hate/Destroy-Govt Repugs, just like 1995.

[LnGrrrR]

I love working without being paid! Hurray!

On a more serious note, some young soldiers are really going to be screwed if we don't get a paycheck on the 15th.

[Winehole23]

rooting for anarcho-syndicalism :cheerhttp://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/2/25/Rudolf_Rocker.bmp

[MannyIsGod]

I'm surprised Obama didn't just capitulate to the GOP some more. Its about fucking time he showed he had a nutsack.

[MannyIsGod]

oyXHA7xiChc

[LnGrrrR]

Nobody should be paid for being suckered into doing the globalists dirty work imo

Yup, the military doesn't do anything useful or helpful around the world. :rolleyes

For instance, I know Japan sure turned down our help trying to cool down the reactor.

[boutons_deux]

"the military doesn't do anything useful or helpful around the world"

The military does what the MIC pays the politicians to order the military around:

Unending, murderous disasters for the military, for the countries the military invades and occupies, and for Human-Americans.

[TeyshaBlue]

"the military doesn't do anything useful or helpful around the world"

The military does what the MIC pays the politicians to order the military around:

Unending, murderous disasters for the military, for the countries the military invades and occupies, and for Human-Americans.

http://www.audioandanarchy.com/images/smilies/fack.png

[coyotes_geek]

I love working without being paid! Hurray!

On a more serious note, some young soldiers are really going to be screwed if we don't get a paycheck on the 15th.

Sorry to hear that man. Hope everything works out in your favor.

[LnGrrrR]

"the military doesn't do anything useful or helpful around the world"

The military does what the MIC pays the politicians to order the military around:

Unending, murderous disasters for the military, for the countries the military invades and occupies, and for Human-Americans.

I'm not a big fan of many of our foreign adventures. That said, trying to imply that the military is useless is short-sighted at best.

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b49b388e-606a-11e0-9fcb-00144feab49a.html#axzz1Im6YsAaT

[Wild Cobra]

Nobody should be paid for being suckered into doing the globalists dirty work imo
Sorry you feel that way for those sworn to protect your freedoms to say such things.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nah, they're just sucking on the govt teat.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm surprised Obama didn't just capitulate to the GOP some more. Its about fucking time he showed he had a nutsack.

https://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/nutsack.jpg They've been Michelle's trophy for some time. I don't think she plans or returning them.

[Wild Cobra]

oyXHA7xiChc
Love that show. Thinking of starting to watch it from season 1 again. I have all seven seasons on DVD's.

Too bad it doesn't portray democrats and republicans like they really are though.

[MannyIsGod]

I love it as well. It is my favorite show of all time behind Lost. We own all seasons as well.

[Wild Cobra]

I love it as well. It is my favorite show of all time behind Lost. We own all seasons as well.
I never watched lost. Saw part of one episode one time channel surfing, what i saw looked strange and not my style for personalities in a program.

Now that I have NetFlix of demand, maybe I'll humor the first episode.

[ManuBalboa]

You have to watch Lost from Season 1 Ep 1. Period. There is no other way. Just watching season 1 is worth it (srs). After that it falls from EPIC status.

It's funny how Dems are making a big deal out of this. As if pain can be taken completely out of the equation when you have had pleasure from the system for so long. Your politicians will still have the power and the money. They really don't care if soldiers' paychecks will be held for a couple months. Look on the bright side military, social security checks will continue to flow. However, if you filed your taxes through USPS, the return may take longer than usual.

[LnGrrrR]

:lol Hold back the military's paychecks for a couple of months and there WILL be anarchy...

[desflood]

I love working without being paid! Hurray!

On a more serious note, some young soldiers are really going to be screwed if we don't get a paycheck on the 15th.
My old man heard a rumor that military will receive half-pay until the shutdown ends. That hasn't been confirmed, but keep your fingers crossed; half would be much better than nothing.

[EVAY]

It is not only the military that are critical to the nation's security. Civil Service personnel in all the alphabet-soup agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.) will not even be paid half-wages, even if they are considered 'essential' personnel and thus have to keep working just without getting paid. Isn't that called slavery?

Patriots these workers are...but how much do you expect them to take? Why wouldn't they take their skills and education and go to the private sector where, if they get laid off, at least they don't have to keep working for no money?!

[Wild Cobra]

However, if you filed your taxes through USPS, the return may take longer than usual.
Huh?

The USPS supports their own fiances with stamps. The shutdown will not affect the USPS what so ever. It is not part of the federal budget.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol Hold back the military's paychecks for a couple of months and there WILL be anarchy...
I can just see the Abrams and Cobras circling the capital and White House...

[Wild Cobra]

My old man heard a rumor that military will receive half-pay until the shutdown ends. That hasn't been confirmed, but keep your fingers crossed; half would be much better than nothing.
The military is one of the critical functions. The pays will be funded automatically. Civilian contract... up to the employers I guess.

[desflood]

From everything else I've heard, it sounds like the military will be paid retroactively once everything is back up and running.

[Wild Cobra]

From everything else I've heard, it sounds like the military will be paid retroactively once everything is back up and running.
That would be a disaster. I seem to recall this happening before in the past, and the military still got paid on time.

[Wild Cobra]

From Wiki: Government shutdown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown):

In U.S. politics, a government shutdown is said to occur when the government no longer provides "non-essential" services. Typically, services that continue despite a shutdown include police, fire fighting, armed forces, utilities, air traffic management and corrections.
There was a shutdown in 1995 and the military still got paid.

[MannyIsGod]

Well - I'm somewhat worried about considerations for my aid package this summer and next year but I was on the ball and already have approval for next year. My understanding is that if approval has been given then you will receive your package.

[desflood]

From Wiki: Government shutdown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown):

There was a shutdown in 1995 and the military still got paid.
I remember. I joined in '96 and asked my first supervisor about that situation. She told me that her credit union (Lackland Federal Credit Union; now it's the AFFCU) saw to it that its members got paid on time when others didn't, implying that she wouldn't have received a paycheck had it not been for her financial institution.

[Wild Cobra]

Well - I'm somewhat worried about considerations for my aid package this summer and next year but I was on the ball and already have approval for next year. My understanding is that if approval has been given then you will receive your package.
I'm worried about my daughter's college. There is talk of a strike where she goes. I wonder if I can sue to get my money back if they do?

[desflood]

"For weeks now service members and their families have been concerned about the effect a full-blown government shut down would have on their monthly pay. It appears that Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) may be able to offer some relief in the form of new legislation. Known as the ‘Ensuring Pay for Our Military Act’ Gohmert’s bill would effectively guarantee military pay will continue, in the in the event of a government shut down on April 8.

The following is an excerpt from the original press release:

This legislation ensures that members of the United States Military get their paycheck on time in the event that Congress can not pass a budget.


This bill will appropriate necessary funds to ensure that members of the miliLuck_The_Fakers_tary, including reserve components, continue to receive pay and allowances for their service when a funding gap occurs. That could be caused by the failLuck_The_Fakers_ure to enact interim or full-year appropriations for the Department of Defense, which results in many members serving without a paycheck until the shutLuck_The_Fakers_down is over. It is not enough for the military to know they will receive back pay after the shut down is over. They need to know that their paycheck will arrive on time.

This is welcome news, but this bill must be passed and signed quick enough to ensure service members don’t miss their pay on April 15. One way to help is to contact your elected officials and tell them to support Gohmert’s ‘Ensuring Pay for Our Military Act.’

Update: I was able to speak to a member of Rep. Gohmert’s staff who explained that military retirees and veterans receiving monthly GI Bill or comp and pen payments were not included in this bill because they are already protected from the affects of a government closure."




I have to assume that this means that unless this passed there will be no pay until later. Anybody hear anything about this?

[LnGrrrR]

From Wiki: Government shutdown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown):

There was a shutdown in 1995 and the military still got paid.

WC, this is different. Back then, the defense budget was already signed for.

It's not this time. There's a very good likelihood that, at the least, we won't get a paycheck on the 15th.

[Wild Cobra]

WC, this is different. Back then, the defense budget was already signed for.

It's not this time. There's a very good likelihood that, at the least, we won't get a paycheck on the 15th.
I doubt that would happen, but if it does... That would be brutal.

With the border agents off work, we could have a new Hispanic holiday!

[baseline bum]

I doubt that would happen, but if it does... That would be brutal.

With the border agents off work, we could have a new Hispanic holiday!

And here you are sitting at home with your rifles locked up.

[LnGrrrR]

I doubt that would happen, but if it does... That would be brutal.

They're running out of time now, aren't they?

And last I checked, leadership knows as much about the situation as I do. It's a real clusterfork.

[MannyIsGod]

You got basically one more day and I promise you shit isn't going to stop it. And it won't be as short as the two in 95.

[CosmicCowboy]

The notion that the House, Senate, and President can't sit down and find 60 Billion of cuts out of a multi trillion dollar budget is absolutely obscene.

[Wild Cobra]

And here you are sitting at home with your rifles locked up.
Why would I lock up something so useful?

[coyotes_geek]

The notion that the House, Senate, and President can't sit down and find 60 Billion of cuts out of a multi trillion dollar budget is absolutely obscene.

Yep.

[Wild Cobra]

They're running out of time now, aren't they?

And last I checked, leadership knows as much about the situation as I do. It's a real clusterfork.
I'm pretty sure there are prevision to continue pay to those "critical" ares of government.

But...

I was recently very wrong on something. I'm only human and do make mistakes...

[baseline bum]

LOL @ the dipshit house wanting all the cuts to come from the EPA and Planned Parenthood.

[jack sommerset]

LOL @ the dipshit house wanting all the cuts to come from the EPA and Planned Parenthood.

Really? All the cuts?

[LnGrrrR]

I'm pretty sure there are prevision to continue pay to those "critical" ares of government.

But...

I was recently very wrong on something. I'm only human and do make mistakes...

:lol

Trust me, I'm pretty engaged on this issue, and every article I've read states that the military isn't getting paid, because they never originally approved the defense budget after October. (Which is why I can't get supplies I need for this shop. Grrr...)

[LnGrrrR]

Check it out WC:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/07/6425922-who-gets-paid-if-theres-a-shutdown-members-of-congress-still-will



On the eve of a possible government shutdown, hundreds of thousands of federal workers and members of the military (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/07/6425792-in-case-of-shutdown-military-will-report-but-paid-later)are at risk of not collecting a paycheck until after Congress reaches a deal to fund the government.


Now there are "essential" and "non-essential" personnel. Nearly all military will be deemed "essential", which means we're still working, just not getting any pay. "Non-essential" will be asked to stay home, I guess.

[LnGrrrR]

FWIW, Obama threatened a veto on the proposed "Fund troops" bill coming through. While I obviously would like to be paid, I understand why he would call for a veto. The whole "military not getting paid" thing is a big issue, and he doesn't want the Republicans to have an easy out by looking like the guys who made sure the troops got paid.

Still sucks though.

[Marcus Bryant]

The president's party had plenty of time to come up with a budget for this year, way back when they were in control of the exec and legislative branch (aka a couple of months ago). Yet another political clusterfuck brought on by spineless politicians more focused on getting reelected rather than actually serving their fellow citizens.

[baseline bum]

No money for the war? Send everyone home then.

[LnGrrrR]

No money for the war? Send everyone home then.

They already said that ain't happening. We'll still fight; we just won't get paid for it. How that works, I have no idea.

I like how the Democrats finally decided they weren't going to cave on some thing, and it involves me getting paid. :lol

[baseline bum]

They already said that ain't happening. We'll still fight; we just won't get paid for it. How that works, I have no idea.

I like how the Democrats finally decided they weren't going to cave on some thing, and it involves me getting paid. :lol

Don't count your chickens yet. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

The president's party had plenty of time to come up with a budget for this year, way back when they were in control of the exec and legislative branch (aka a couple of months ago). Yet another political clusterfuck brought on by spineless politicians more focused on getting reelected rather than actually serving their fellow citizens.

You're fucking joking right?

[MannyIsGod]

Apparently MB thinks the GOP would just stand by and let the democrats pass a budget in a lame duck session.

:lmao

Someone introduce him to the filibuster please.

[MannyIsGod]

LNG:

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/04/07/pay-the-guys-with-the-guns-first/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+timeblogs%2Fswampland+%28TIME %3A+Swampland%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

[LnGrrrR]

Manny, this line from that article is priceless:




Sure, they're an all-volunteer military, but they didn't think Congress would take that literally.

[MannyIsGod]

About the filibuster - I'm an idiot and I just realized you can't filibuster the budget. That being said, the idea that they would have been able to ram through a budget in a lame duck session is still a load of shit and would only serve to put this situation off a year even if they could manage to get a straight party line vote (with the blue dogs thats impossible).

[baseline bum]

Manny, this line from that article is priceless:





^^^ I thought so too. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Yes, Manny. You're an idiot. Join the club.:lol:toast

[MannyIsGod]

The notion that the House, Senate, and President can't sit down and find 60 Billion of cuts out of a multi trillion dollar budget is absolutely obscene.

Its not just about cuts. That should be obvious by now. The GOP wants to cut programs they don't like and are avoiding military cuts like the plague and they refuse to consider any tax raises at all. Obama has spent the first part of this year bending over and yet that still hasn't been enough for the GOP. At some point you eventually stop putting up with the bullshit and fight back.

The GOP pushed too hard.

[Wild Cobra]

Check it out WC:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/07/6425922-who-gets-paid-if-theres-a-shutdown-members-of-congress-still-will



Now there are "essential" and "non-essential" personnel. Nearly all military will be deemed "essential", which means we're still working, just not getting any pay. "Non-essential" will be asked to stay home, I guess.
I don't buy the contents of the article.

I will assume that the senate bill was for show only. Congressional checks would more likely not arrive than military checks with, or without the bill.

Can you show me a provision that automatically pays congress in the event of a shutdown? I didn't think so.

Someone is scaremongering I think.

Has anyone here asked their representative in congress, or the senate?

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, Manny. You're an idiot. Join the club.:lol:toast

:lmao

As long as I was the first to realize the mistake most of the damage is mitigated.

[Wild Cobra]

FWIW, Obama threatened a veto on the proposed "Fund troops" bill coming through. While I obviously would like to be paid, I understand why he would call for a veto. The whole "military not getting paid" thing is a big issue, and he doesn't want the Republicans to have an easy out by looking like the guys who made sure the troops got paid.

Still sucks though.
LOL...

He vetoes that, and expects to blame the republicans?

I think I'm going to die laughing!

[MannyIsGod]

I don't buy the contents of the article.

I will assume that the senate bill was for show only. Congressional checks would more likely not arrive than military checks with, or without the bill.

Can you show me a provision that automatically pays congress in the event of a shutdown? I didn't think so.

Someone is scaremongering I think.

Has anyone here asked their representative in congress, or the senate?

I am pretty sure Gates knows whether or not the military is going to be paid. When the Sec Of Def says you're not getting paid then I'm pretty sure you're not getting paid.

[CosmicCowboy]

Its not just about cuts. That should be obvious by now. The GOP wants to cut programs they don't like and are avoiding military cuts like the plague and they refuse to consider any tax raises at all. Obama has spent the first part of this year bending over and yet that still hasn't been enough for the GOP. At some point you eventually stop putting up with the bullshit and fight back.

The GOP pushed too hard.

So what? This is a short term budget. A lot of sacred cows from both sides of the aisle are gonna have to be slaughtered if they are ever going to REALLY get serious about deficits. It doesn't really matter which ones get killed first.

[Wild Cobra]

No money for the war? Send everyone home then.
That's why we lost in Viet-Nam. Congress stopped funding it, and the troops had to be pulled out. It became a very sour time in our history.

[jack sommerset]

I am pretty sure Gates knows whether or not the military is going to be paid. When the Sec Of Def says you're not getting paid then I'm pretty sure you're not getting paid.

I thought they said they were getting paid but it would be a few days after they suppose to get paid???

[MannyIsGod]

I agree with the veto. If the rest of us are going to feel the pain of a government shut down then everyone should. I know it sucks for the military members but at the same time I think it teaches our society an important lesson.

[MannyIsGod]

So what? This is a short term budget. A lot of sacred cows from both sides of the aisle are gonna have to be slaughtered if they are ever going to REALLY get serious about deficits. It doesn't really matter which ones get killed first.

You're wrong about it not mattering which goes first. Completely. Tell that to the people who's programs would be getting cut this year while the rich go on about with their tax cuts.

It also sets precedent. The President is right to finally grow some damn balls here.

[MannyIsGod]

I thought they said they were getting paid but it would be a few days after they suppose to get paid???

Reread the article I posted.

[CosmicCowboy]

You're wrong about it not mattering which goes first. Completely. Tell that to the people who's programs would be getting cut this year while the rich go on about with their tax cuts.

It also sets precedent. The President is right to finally grow some damn balls here.

A budget is not about tax policy.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree with the veto. If the rest of us are going to feel the pain of a government shut down then everyone should. I know it sucks for the military members but at the same time I think it teaches our society an important lesson.
Even air traffic controllers?

[baseline bum]

It also sets precedent. The President is right to finally grow some damn balls here.

Obama has let us all down so many times before; no reason to think he won't again.

[MannyIsGod]

A budget is not about tax policy.

:lol

Really? Fucking Really?

[Wild Cobra]

Obama has let us all down so many times before; no reason to think he won't again.

Agreed.

Worse president since Jimmy Carter.

[TeyshaBlue]

A budget is not about tax policy.

http://www.audioandanarchy.com/images/smilies/fack.png

[MannyIsGod]

Obama has let us all down so many times before; no reason to think he won't again.

Broken clock, blind squirrel etc etc. I don't have high hopes, but maybe he'll magically land on a good action.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

Really? Fucking Really?

Really.

A budget is about identifying necessary spending.

[baseline bum]

Agreed.

Worse president since Ronald Reagan.

fify

[coyotes_geek]

About the filibuster - I'm an idiot and I just realized you can't filibuster the budget. That being said, the idea that they would have been able to ram through a budget in a lame duck session is still a load of shit and would only serve to put this situation off a year even if they could manage to get a straight party line vote (with the blue dogs thats impossible).

So what about the 6+ months the democrats had prior to the lame duck session to get a budget done?

[MannyIsGod]

Really.

A budget is about identifying necessary spending.

If you believe its that simple then I don't know what to tell you. There are serious implications for tax policy in this budget fight and that should not even be debatable at this point.

[TeyshaBlue]

Yeah, it has nothing to do whatsoever with identifying income to support the spending.

[TeyshaBlue]

So what about the 6+ months the democrats had prior to the lame duck session to get a budget done?

VWRC haz skillz.

[Wild Cobra]

So what about the 6+ months the democrats had prior to the lame duck session to get a budget done?
They were too focused on trying to destroy our nation by other means.

[CosmicCowboy]

If you believe its that simple then I don't know what to tell you. There are serious implications for tax policy in this budget fight and that should not even be debatable at this point.

Hey guys...I will be the first to agree that long term fiscal responsibility will require tax increases as well as budget cuts.

In the context of the current debate on the budget, however it is all about spending.

[MannyIsGod]

So what about the 6+ months the democrats had prior to the lame duck session to get a budget done?

MB specifically said a couple of months. Its really pointless to say that the democrats fucked up the chance to fix the budget because of electoral politics in an election year considering our political system.

To suddenly expect the democrats to rise above that is akin to expecting a one eyed unicorn to sit down on my lap and tell me a bed time story while making me richer than Bill Gates.

It also completely ignores that had that unicorn shown up, we'd be talking about the same thing just a year later. Better to just get it over with now, IMO.

[LnGrrrR]

So what? This is a short term budget. A lot of sacred cows from both sides of the aisle are gonna have to be slaughtered if they are ever going to REALLY get serious about deficits. It doesn't really matter which ones get killed first.

If that were the case, you would expect the Republicans to budge first. Of course, they're not budging either. The Dems alrady said they'd be willing to sign a "clean" bill (ie. fund the military without spending cuts).

This is pure politics, both sides playing chicken.

[MannyIsGod]

Hey guys...I will be the first to agree that long term fiscal responsibility will require tax increases as well as budget cuts.

In the context of the current debate on the budget, however it is all about spending.

Thats great that you will concede that but it doesn't change the fact that the GOP has made public statement after public statement that is the opposite of that. Perhaps if you or I were running the negotiations we'd actually get somewhere, CC, but we're not.

[CosmicCowboy]

And long term, the gorilla in the room is not tax policy but unfunded entitlements.

[MannyIsGod]

You can't talk about one without the other. Income and Expenditures go hand in hand.

[jack sommerset]

The last time the government had a major shutdown was in 1995, and military members continued to work and receive pay during the government shutdown. What makes anyone think that won't happen again? Neither party will want the finger pointed at them.

[MannyIsGod]

The last time the government had a major shutdown was in 1995, and military members continued to work and receive pay during the government shutdown. What makes anyone think that won't happen again? Neither party will want the finger pointed at them.

Read the thread. Its been covered.

[coyotes_geek]

Actually CC is correct. The budget is what we feel like spending. Tax policy is what we feel like paying. The difference between the two is defecit.

Now in a rational world those two should be interdependent, but our political parties ditched such rational behavior decades ago..............

[LnGrrrR]

The last time the government had a major shutdown was in 1995, and military members continued to work and receive pay during the government shutdown. What makes anyone think that won't happen again? Neither party will want the finger pointed at them.

That situation was different. The defense budget was already agreed upon then. It's not now.

[jack sommerset]

Read the thread. Its been covered.

Dude, calm down, they will get paid. The sky is not falling.

[Wild Cobra]

That situation was different. The defense budget was already agreed upon then. It's not now.

I think there is some current law statute that continues to pay military members, Social security, Air traffic controllers, etc; in the event of a shutdown. At least there used to be.

[LnGrrrR]

Dude, calm down, they will get paid. The sky is not falling.

Jack, if the budget doesn't get approved, the military isn't getting paid. End of story.

[Wild Cobra]

Read the thread. Its been covered.Dude, calm down, they will get paid. The sky is not falling.
Manny, if I have to start calling you Chicken Little also, we might start to confuse you and Boutons.

Wouldn't want that, would we?

[Wild Cobra]

Jack, if the budget doesn't get approved, the military isn't getting paid. End of story.
I think you are listening to fear mongering. Just wish I could be more certain than I am.

[jack sommerset]

Jack, if the budget doesn't get approved, the military isn't getting paid. End of story.

I doubt Barry will let that happen. You will get paid.

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, calm down, they will get paid. The sky is not falling.

Um I'm perfectly calm. That doesn't change the facts.

[MannyIsGod]

Robert Gates says they're not getting paid. Obama threatens to veto a bill that will pay them for sure.

Is it really that hard to understand?

[Wild Cobra]

Robert Gates says they're not getting paid. Obama threatens to veto a bill that will pay them for sure.

Is it really that hard to understand?
Is your mind closed to the possibility Gates is lying, or wrong?

I don't recall seeing such a quote. Is it in this thread?

[MannyIsGod]

Do I feel its possible Robert Gates is lying? No.

Do I feel its possible he is wrong? No.

It is very cut and dry. Barring new legislation or a budget - those in the military won't get paid. They could pass new legislation, but considering Obama is threatening a veto - I deem that extremely unlikely.

[jack sommerset]

Robert Gates says they're not getting paid. Obama threatens to veto a bill that will pay them for sure.

Is it really that hard to understand?

Gates said they are not getting paid and Barry threatens to veto a bill that will pay them for sure. Pretty clear. Thanks.

[MannyIsGod]

Give me a plausible scenario where A) Gates has a reason to lie and B) he's (and everyone else for that matter) somehow wrong and yet no one has decided to correct him. If a public official today so much as farts in the wrong direction 30 seconds later the blogosphere is all over it.

[MannyIsGod]

Gates said they are not getting paid and Barry threatens to veto a bill that will pay them for sure. Pretty clear. Thanks.

I don't care who you blame I just want to make sure that the 3 brain cells trapped in that dome of yours actually connect the dots and realize that barring legislation the military is not getting paid.

[jack sommerset]

I don't care who you blame I just want to make sure that the 3 brain cells trapped in that dome of yours actually connect the dots and realize that barring legislation the military is not getting paid.

My 3 brains cells say they will get paid, barry won't veto anything that would allow them to get paid. It's politics baby, both sides are playing it but if your number one concern right now is if the military will get paid or not, blame barry if they don't.

[LnGrrrR]

I think you are listening to fear mongering. Just wish I could be more certain than I am.

Fear mongering from my leadership and, as noted above, the Secretary of Defense? I'm pretty sure the SecDef isn't going to fearmonger his own troops. :lol

[coyotes_geek]

MB specifically said a couple of months. Its really pointless to say that the democrats fucked up the chance to fix the budget because of electoral politics in an election year considering our political system.

To suddenly expect the democrats to rise above that is akin to expecting a one eyed unicorn to sit down on my lap and tell me a bed time story while making me richer than Bill Gates.

It also completely ignores that had that unicorn shown up, we'd be talking about the same thing just a year later. Better to just get it over with now, IMO.

We have elections every other year. Yet somehow, virtually every other congress before now has managed to get budgets done. Most with situations where the majority party not holding nearly the advantage that the democrats had in 2010. It's anything but pointless to point out how the democrats fucked up a chance to fix the budget because of electoral politics. It's the truth. Expecting the democrats to rise above politics to get a budget done is not akin to expecting one eyed unicorns to sit down on your lap and make you rich, it's akin to expecting them to do the job they got elected to do.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that both parties are playing politics here. Still, we wouldn't be here had the democrats not frittered away the majority of 2010 avoiding putting together a budget.

[LnGrrrR]

My 3 brains cells say they will get paid, barry won't veto anything that would allow them to get paid. It's politics baby, both sides are playing it but if your number one concern right now is if the military will get paid or not, blame barry if they don't.

As I noted earlier, Dems said they'd be willing to pass the bill if spending cuts weren't attached.

Both parties are to blame; neither party wants to back down.

[baseline bum]

As I noted earlier, Dems said they'd be willing to pass the bill if spending cuts weren't attached.

Both parties are to blame; neither party wants to back down.

Link?

[LnGrrrR]

Link?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/154601-reid-opens-door-to-clean-continuing-resolution


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said he'd accept a "clean" measure to extend government funding, but not the one-week measure expected to pass the House on Thursday.

Reid said that the Senate would be "happy" to do a continuing resolution to help facilitate a deal, but only if it's "clean," meaning that it extends funding at current levels, and without any policy riders.

[baseline bum]

Thanks. I'd be ok with funding the Pentagon for a week as a stopgap measure with no strings attached.

[TeyshaBlue]

Welp...the Republicans passed it today. Time for Obama's Ban-Hammer to do it's job.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mood-sours-as-Congress-seeks-rb-3273739402.html;_ylt=AmSskJpHkNACAV6__uD36OG7YWsA; _ylu=X3oDMTE1MGVqcTI0BHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzB HNsawNob3VzZXBhc3Nlc3M-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

[baseline bum]

Welp...the Republicans passed it today. Time for Obama's Ban-Hammer to do it's job.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mood-sours-as-Congress-seeks-rb-3273739402.html;_ylt=AmSskJpHkNACAV6__uD36OG7YWsA; _ylu=X3oDMTE1MGVqcTI0BHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzB HNsawNob3VzZXBhc3Nlc3M-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

:lol Boehner is such a dickhead. I'm still dying laughing at the teabaggers throwing Sharron Angle as their candidate and ensuring the Democrats practically-unelectable top dickhead stayed in power in the other chamber.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol Boehner is such a dickhead. I'm still dying laughing at the teabaggers throwing Sharron Angle as their candidate and ensuring the Democrats practically-unelectable top dickhead stayed in power in the other chamber.

No shit. You know the DNC wrote a check for that one.:lol:lol

[Wild Cobra]

Welp...the Republicans passed it today. Time for Obama's Ban-Hammer to do it's job.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mood-sours-as-Congress-seeks-rb-3273739402.html;_ylt=AmSskJpHkNACAV6__uD36OG7YWsA; _ylu=X3oDMTE1MGVqcTI0BHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzB HNsawNob3VzZXBhc3Nlc3M-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=
Thank-You:

Vital U.S. services such as national defense, law enforcement, emergency medical care and air traffic control would continue, but national parks and museums would close and the processing of passport and a variety of loan applications would halt.
Processing of passports....

101's going to be pissed...

[MannyIsGod]

If Obama doesn't veto this now after saying he would then he might as well just go back to Chicago because he'll never get anything done.

[LnGrrrR]

WC, you're not getting it.

We're still working.

We're not getting paid.

[baseline bum]

Haha... I love when invasions are called national defense. Orwell would be proud.

[Wild Cobra]

WC, you're not getting it.

We're still working.

We're not getting paid.
Excuse me if I don't believe you.

[CosmicCowboy]

If Obama doesn't veto this now after saying he would then he might as well just go back to Chicago because he'll never get anything done.

I've got a feeling he is gonna let it pass. It's just a week extension and a few billion dollars.

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.jimbunch.com/images/ostrichpic.jpg

[coyotes_geek]

WC, you're not getting it.

We're still working.

We're not getting paid.

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

Yes LnGrrrR, we're going to need you to provide photocopies of paychecks you're not getting before we can be sure you're not getting paid. :p:

[TeyshaBlue]

Yes LnGrrrR, we're going to need you to provide photocopies of paychecks you're not getting before we can be sure you're not getting paid. :p:

:lol Because, who would believe somebody that's actually in the military?

[Wild Cobra]

Yes LnGrrrR, we're going to need you to provide photocopies of paychecks you're not getting before we can be sure you're not getting paid. :p:
LOL...

That would be excellent proof!

[desflood]

I'm pretty sure the SecDef isn't going to fearmonger his own troops. :lol
Remember that he is, above all else, a politician.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes LnGrrrR, we're going to need you to provide photocopies of paychecks you're not getting before we can be sure you're not getting paid. :p:

No need to get crazy here. Its not like he's applying for a passport.

[MannyIsGod]

Remember that he is, above all else, a politician.

I don't buy it. Not with Robert Gates - a republican serving under a democratic administration. I can't possibly see what he stands to gain by lying here. More over if he was wrong I can't imagine that people who know he's wrong are just sitting around not telling anyone.

[Wild Cobra]

LnGrrrR, I beginning to think you might be right...

Sorry to start believing that...

Government Shutdown: Operations of the
Department of Defense During a Lapse in
Appropriations (http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/52441446-crs-dod-in-shutdown.pdf)

[EVAY]

Robert Gates is not a politician. He is a Civil Servant.

[EVAY]

Sorry, guys, but I'm still concerned about folks who have mortgages and car payments and other bills that don't actually work for the military but are still considered 'essential' government workers. They have to keep working for no pay, too.

[LnGrrrR]

Sorry, guys, but I'm still concerned about folks who have mortgages and car payments and other bills that don't actually work for the military but are still considered 'essential' government workers. They have to keep working for no pay, too.

By all means, you should be. That's another reason why Obama will veto the proposed bill; I doubt he wants to give off the idea that only the military need paychecks, and that other civil servants must go without.

[Wild Cobra]

By all means, you should be. That's another reason why Obama will veto the proposed bill; I doubt he wants to give off the idea that only the military need paychecks, and that other civil servants must go without.
That's right. Find a reason to defend Nobama.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh, and a small tangent, but fuck every article/author that says, "If government shut down, would we miss it?"

The only answer to that question is "Yes, you fucking idiots."

[LnGrrrR]

That's right. Find a reason to defend Nobama.

I'm not defending either side. I've said upthread: both sides have their goals, and neither currently has blinked. One eventually will. I don't fault either party for doing what their constituents want.

[Wild Cobra]

Oh, and a small tangent, but fuck every article/author that says, "If government shut down, would we miss it?"

The only answer to that question is "Yes, you fucking idiots."
All I can say is that I'm fucking glad I don't get as much government as I pay for.

[EVAY]

I'm not defending either side. I've said upthread: both sides have their goals, and neither currently has blinked. One eventually will. I don't fault either party for doing what their constituents want.

Personally, I blame all of these assholes for not governing, because that is what they are failing to do. They are all playing to their bases while the business of governance is ignored royally.

[coyotes_geek]

Personally, I blame all of these assholes for not governing, because that is what they are failing to do. They are all playing to their bases while the business of governance is ignored royally.

Well said.

[EVAY]

Oh, and a small tangent, but fuck every article/author that says, "If government shut down, would we miss it?"

The only answer to that question is "Yes, you fucking idiots."

:toast

[MannyIsGod]

Why is this not governing though? This situation is a direct result of the last election and what those constituents who should up to that election wanted. Its not a good situation, but I don't believe that governing consists of only good situations.

[EVAY]

Why is this not governing though? This situation is a direct result of the last election and what those constituents who should up to that election wanted. Its not a good situation, but I don't believe that governing consists of only good situations.

This is not governing, IMHO, because to govern is to provide for the functioning of the government. This is the opposite of having the government function. It is the very definition of having the government NOT function.

This is political functioning, not governmental functioning.

[TeyshaBlue]

+100

[The Reckoning]

btw, anarchism and anarchy are two completely different terms.

[MannyIsGod]

This is not governing, IMHO, because to govern is to provide for the functioning of the government. This is the opposite of having the government function. It is the very definition of having the government NOT function.

This is political functioning, not governmental functioning.

The separation of politics and governing is impossible. Government is still functioning but its functioning at a lower level. What you have is gridlock reflective of our society. We have different viewpoints on how to tackle the current situation and that is being reflected by those in power.

Governing in a representative democracy means representing the views of your constituents. I think that is happening right now and while the results aren't good I don't think that precludes it from actually being governing.

[ManuBalboa]

America's CHICKENNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSS have come homeeeeeeeeeeee to RooOOOooooOOOooossssssTTtttt.

[Marcus Bryant]

You're fucking joking right?

Why I'd never.

Just not in that case.

[Marcus Bryant]

Personally, I blame all of these assholes for not governing, because that is what they are failing to do. They are all playing to their bases while the business of governance is ignored royally.

Concur. Both sides spend the two years between federal elections doing everything but that for which they were elected.