2011 Draft Prospect: Jimmy Butler [Archive]

yavozerb

05-21-2011, 09:31 AM

Steal of the draft; the guy can do it all. He has so much potential.

The Spurs need to take a hard look at him if they're not comfortable with the bigs that will be available at 29.

Is he any better than danny green? I like the guy but I feel like with manu,green,JA,Jefferson, and Butler that the sg/sf positions are one of deeper on this team.

Spurs da champs

05-21-2011, 01:15 PM

Is he any better than danny green? I like the guy but I feel like with manu,green,JA,Jefferson, and Butler that the sg/sf positions are one of deeper on this team.

I wouldn't be surprised if Green and Butler don't make the team next year, we have way too many sgs. The only small forward we have is Jefferson.

ChuckD

05-21-2011, 01:54 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Green and Butler don't make the team next year, we have way too many sgs. The only small forward we have is Jefferson.

Butler is a SF. Green can play both. Anderson can play both. We need size on the wing. Other teams just post up Hill, Neal, and even Manu. When ZBo left the game, Memphis didn't miss a beat, just switching to Allen or Battier punishing our smaller guards in the post.

yavozerb

05-21-2011, 01:54 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Green and Butler don't make the team next year, we have way too many sgs. The only small forward we have is Jefferson.

So you pick another fringe SF NBA prospect to replace fringe SF players already on the roster? I would rather keep what we have and go for a big or pg prospect

Spurs da champs

05-21-2011, 02:01 PM

Butler is a SF. Green can play both. Anderson can play both. We need size on the wing. Other teams just post up Hill, Neal, and even Manu. When ZBo left the game, Memphis didn't miss a beat, just switching to Allen or Battier punishing our smaller guards in the post.

Butler is unproven coming off a serious injury, Green isn't a true small forward same with anderson.

So you pick another fringe SF NBA prospect to replace fringe SF players already on the roster? I would rather keep what we have and go for a big or pg prospect

We need a true small forward with size who knows this guy can become a decent player, everything I've read says he's smart and does all the little things to help his team win. Also he has a high work ethic.

And I understand a big but why a PG? If we get a point that means Hill or Neal becomes the odd man out basically.

TimDunkem

05-22-2011, 01:32 PM

So you pick another fringe SF NBA prospect to replace fringe SF players already on the roster? I would rather keep what we have and go for a big or pg prospect
Fringe prospect? Did you just make that up out of thin air?

A high-energy player with an extremely high IQ, a post game, a decent rebounder, an ability to play the 4 in small line-ups, can pass the ball well, a willingness to make hustle plays and play defense; sure you can say he isn't a good shooter, but his mechanics are good, so the potential to shoot is there. There is a reason Butler has been projected to be drafted anywhere from late in the 1st round to early in the 2nd -- and for quite some time now.

Yes, the Spurs should draft a big, but this guy is still a great option.

yavozerb

05-22-2011, 01:55 PM

Fringe prospect? Did you just make that up out of thin air?

A high-energy player with an extremely high IQ, a post game, a decent rebounder, an ability to play the 4 in small line-ups, can pass the ball well, a willingness to make hustle plays and play defense; sure you can say he isn't a good shooter, but his mechanics are good, so the potential to shoot is there. There is a reason Butler has been projected to be drafted anywhere from late in the 1st round to early in the 2nd -- and for quite some time now.

Yes, the Spurs should draft a big, but this guy is still a great option.

Extremely high IQ- I could find higher IQ's from alot of 2nd rd or even some non drafted players.
Post game- maybe in college, but who exactly do you think he will be posting up in NBA at the 3 or 4?
Decent rebounder- averaging 6 rbs in college is average at best for someone 6'7 and do you think that will improve in the NBA?

Not hating on the guy but I just dont see him worth a 1st rd pick from any team. He was average in college in everything and I just dont see his game getting much better in the NBA. Just my opinion

TimDunkem

05-22-2011, 02:09 PM

Extremely high IQ- I could find higher IQ's from alot of 2nd rd or even some non drafted players.
With Butler's talent? You're not going to find many.

Decent rebounder- averaging 6 rbs in college is average at best for someone 6'7 and do you think that will improve in the NBA?
Sure, why wouldn't it? He's not going to average more RPG that he did in college if that's what you're asking. He will mainly play at the 3 after all.

Nevertheless, you should quit nitpicking. You're not going to find a perfect player at 29 in a relatively weak draft.

Not hating on the guy but I just dont see him worth a 1st rd pick from any team. He was average in college in everything and I just dont see his game getting much better in the NBA. Just my opinion
Again, with his high work ethic; why wouldn't his game improve? I bet you didn't see Landry Fields as a NBA player either. What about Wes Mathews?

Butler is getting drafted, or he's going to be in a situation similar to the players I just mentioned. Either way -- he's going to produce.

ChuckD

05-22-2011, 02:14 PM

Butler is unproven coming off a serious injury, Green isn't a true small forward same with anderson.
So is this kid. What's your point? Da'Sean has as much chance to develop as he does, and with the lockout will likely be 18+ months recovered by training camp. Never said that Green or Anderson were true SFs, just that they can swing to the position. Hell, we had Manu playing SF in some sets, and it usually got us killed on D.

We need a true small forward with size who knows this guy can become a decent player, everything I've read says he's smart and does all the little things to help his team win. Also he has a high work ethic.

And I understand a big but why a PG? If we get a point that means Hill or Neal becomes the odd man out basically.

Hill regressed badly this year. He had a chance to show his stuff when TP was out, and instead, two games were dropped to POR and MEM because of ball handling miscues that never would have been an issue with TP playing. Hill is easily flustered and trapped and picks up his dribble when he shouldn't. He also isn't all that in the playoffs. If we need a sweetener in a deal, as far as I'm concerned, he can go.

yavozerb

05-22-2011, 02:18 PM

With Butler's talent? You're not going to find many.

Sure, why wouldn't it? He's not going to average more RPG that he did in college if that's what you're asking. He will mainly play at the 3 after all.

Nevertheless, you should quit nitpicking. You're not going to find a perfect player at 29 in a relatively weak draft.

Again, with his high work ethic; why wouldn't his game improve? I bet you didn't see Landry Fields as a NBA player either. What about Wes Mathews?

Butler is getting drafted, or he's going to be in a situation similar to the players I just mentioned. Either way -- he's going to produce.

Guess you didnt read my post..Let me say this again his skill set is not one of a 1st rd pick..I see him going early to mid 2nd at best. Not sure why you brought up Wes mathews cause he to was undrafted and Field was a 2nd rd pick. These 2 players are not the norm and could you please list the other 2nd rd picks and undrafted players from that draft who have not been heard from, I am positive it is greater than 2..

TimDunkem

05-22-2011, 02:33 PM

Guess you didnt read my post..Let me say this again his skill set is not one of a 1st rd pick..I see him going early to mid 2nd at best. Not sure why you brought up Wes mathews cause he to was undrafted and Field was a 2nd rd pick. These 2 players are not the norm and could you please list the other 2nd rd picks and undrafted players from that draft who have been heard from..
You said, 'I don't see him as a first round pick', 'He's just average. In my opinion'. You didn't say his skill-set isn't one of a 1st rounder, but now that you did, I'm going to disagree with you. He can do everything except shoot consistently well, and we all know that is one area where a player can always make progress in.

My point with Mathews and Fields was that they were not projected to be drafted, nor did they meet all the necessary, requisite skill-sets to make it in the NBA. Yet, one was drafted, and another went undrafted to eventually become a key piece in several playoff teams. Why can't Jimmy be another one of these players? You haven't yet told me.

yavozerb

05-22-2011, 02:54 PM

You said, 'I don't see him as a first round pick', 'He's just average. In my opinion'. You didn't say his skill-set isn't one of a 1st rounder, but now that you did, I'm going to disagree with you. He can do everything except shoot consistently well, and we all know that is one area where a player can always make progress in.

My point with Mathews and Fields was that they were not projected to be drafted, nor did they meet all the necessary, requisite skill-sets to make it in the NBA. Yet, one was drafted, and another went undrafted to eventually become a key piece in several playoff teams. Why can't Jimmy be another one of these players? You haven't yet told me.

All of these players on this draft board will exceed or fall short of expectations...If Butler can become an NBA rotation player then in my opinion he has exceeded his expectations coming into this draft. Now answer my question, you have named 2 players that were either not drafted or drafted in the 2nd rd and are now doing very well, now please enter the names of the those drafted in the 2nd rd or not drafted that did not succeed in the NBA during those same drafts.

TimDunkem

05-22-2011, 03:16 PM

What would be the point of that exactly? So you can compare his skill-set to a completely different player and claim he will fail like that player? You can do that yourself. It won't mean anything until we are well into next season.

All I've said is I think the guy is worth the pick, and I'd like to see the Spurs make it if there are not any better options. All in response to you misappropriately labeling him as a fringe player. I don't see why you want to argue about that. You must love to argue.

ChuckD

05-22-2011, 03:20 PM

The point is, that most second round and undrafted players are evaluated spot on. A few VASTLY exceed their expectations, but to draft on that basis is foolishness itself.

TimDunkem

05-22-2011, 03:26 PM

I don't think possibly being drafted at 29, and becoming a rotation player is vastly exceeding expectations for Butler to be honest. Calling him a fringe prospect is more of a stretch.

Spurs da champs

05-22-2011, 03:55 PM

So is this kid. What's your point? Da'Sean has as much chance to develop as he does, and with the lockout will likely be 18+ months recovered by training camp. Never said that Green or Anderson were true SFs, just that they can swing to the position. Hell, we had Manu playing SF in some sets, and it usually got us killed on D.
We never know how Da'Sean will be after this injury which is more then enough for me too want to take this kid over him.
Exactly we got burned playing players out of their position. And you're acting as if the lockout is a sure thing to happen nobody knows what's gone happen with all these negotiations going on.
This Jimmy Butler has all the intangibles to be a really solid role player for us, while Da'Sean would be rehabbing and out of basketball for a year and some change.Nuff said.

Hill regressed badly this year. He had a chance to show his stuff when TP was out, and instead, two games were dropped to POR and MEM because of ball handling miscues that never would have been an issue with TP playing. Hill is easily flustered and trapped and picks up his dribble when he shouldn't. He also isn't all that in the playoffs. If we need a sweetener in a deal, as far as I'm concerned, he can go.

I agree, I really don't understand why seeing as how well he did last year when Tony was out. But on the issues of turnovers what you were saying about George defiantly was true about Tony as well in the playoffs this year like half of the games he had as many turnovers as assists. Tho Hill is at his best when he's playing with Manu, he defiantly doesn't play all that well with Tony.

I agree if that's the case tho about a trade.

Bruno

05-27-2011, 06:34 AM

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_afd5c056-8821-11e0-8f00-001cc4c03286.html

If Butler, who was measured at 6-7 3/4 with shoes, continues to impress during upcoming workouts with Miami, New Jersey, Boston and San Antonio, among others, he could conceivably sneak into the first round, just like his former Marquette teammate Lazar Hayward did last year.

Bruno

06-18-2011, 11:03 AM

A great article about his story, a must read:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Butler-110618

benefactor

06-18-2011, 01:22 PM

He'd be a decent prospect if the Spurs had a high second rounder...but I don't think he's worth a first. As others have said, the other prospects at the wing that are currently on the roster have just about as much potential.

Mr. Body

06-18-2011, 02:47 PM

I see a Landry Fields-type second round steal with this guy.

Cane

06-18-2011, 05:59 PM

A great article about his story, a must read:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Butler-110618

True that. Hard not to be a fan of this kid once you hear his story.

ChuckD

06-19-2011, 09:39 AM

Def sounds like Spurs material. Wow.

ChuckD

06-19-2011, 09:50 AM

You just know his biological is going to come crawling back if he makes it.

objective

02-01-2013, 10:06 PM

This guy might be the major miss. He's been incredible. Maybe his three point shooting isn't there yet, but he is an incredible defender and hustle player.

If the Spurs had come away with him and Leonard instead of Joseph and Leonard, man, their defense would be intense in lieu of Green.

benefactor

02-02-2013, 09:09 AM

Not that big of a miss tbh. Now Chandler Parsons? That was a big miss.

elemento

02-02-2013, 09:25 AM

benefactor

02-02-2013, 09:39 AM

My boner gets huge with visions of small ball with Parsons at the 3 and Leonard at the 4.

Chinook

02-02-2013, 09:51 AM

Not that big of a miss tbh. Now Chandler Parsons? That was a big miss.

I agree. Parsons is pretty much what the Spurs are hoping Bertans will be in a few years.

Joseph looks like a wasted pick because the Spurs don't use him. I almost wish they'd force feed him some minutes so we'd know for sure.

exstatic

02-02-2013, 11:08 AM

He is a good prospect no doubt but I agree with benefector. Chandler Parsons was a bigger miss. Can you imagine having both Leonard and Parsons ? Parsons has amazing size for a SF, he is a very good defender and he was/is pretty much ready to contribute.

Funny that HOU could have had both as well (they took Morris instead of Kawhi)

I still did not give up on Cory though. I think he will be a solid PG going forward. In my opinion, he will surprise a lot of people once he gets his chance.

Cory's defense will get him that chance. The Spurs are just too stacked with small guards right now. Free agents who could affect his chance include Patty (likely, player option on a minimum deal),Neal, Manu, Jack, Diaw (also player option). If even one or two of those players leave, it shifts the rotation and opens minutes for a guard.

look_at_g_shred

02-03-2013, 01:13 PM

Would love this guy on our team.

exstatic

02-04-2013, 08:39 AM

Would love this guy on our team.
Other teams are starting to learn from us. He's signed for another two years. We can pick this discussion up in the summer of 2015.

look_at_g_shred

06-28-2015, 03:41 PM

Other teams are starting to learn from us. He's signed for another two years. We can pick this discussion up in the summer of 2015.
It's 2015 and look at how far his value has raised!

DrunkTXLabrat

06-28-2015, 04:51 PM

the value of youth and the unknown gets swept under the rug. people love jerkin off over what they think they know. Aldridge and Love all day. Forget Wiggins or Tristan Thompson. We gotta have some loser in his prime. "Those young guys need time." "Tim and Manu are gonna be gone by the time." "Lebron wants to bring Cleveland a championship now." That is such a cop out. Give me the prodigy over the prime timer, every time. if you think you can buy a real prime timer, you only bought the sell. If you show the prodigy the love, they'll be a real prime timer in love with you, and you won't be selling.