Phil: Kobe's Very First Words To MJ Was: "I Can Beat You 1 on 1"

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao My brother is indeed arrogant....and I love it...

Kobe has indeed proven he can take MJ 1 on 1 now he has the opportunity to scat on MJ by beating the Bulls on their homecourt...:lol



Jackson told the story of arranging a first meaningful meeting between Bryant and Michael Jordan in the 2000-01 season, which was filled with Kobe-driven friction after the first championship the previous season.

Jackson's goal was for the learned Jordan to get the eager Bryant "to understand he didn't have to stray outside the offense" and the Zen idea to "wait till the game presents itself."

Jackson said Bryant's first comment to Jordan, however, was: "I can take you one-on-one."

Bryant came around and built his own legend, one of the prides of Jackson's career.


And with the help of Jordan and Bryant, Jackson has won so many times that he actually said about his championships: "Almost every one of them is memorable."


http://www.ocregister.com/sports/jackson-295531-one-bryant.html

[Isitjustme?]

Cool story, bro.

[Giuseppe]

Pippen saved Jordan from the Media hordes. Media tried the same stunt with Daddy. Kobe though headed 'em off at the pass as Pippen did for MJ.

"We" conveniently choose to remember only Jordan during the ring years. That ain't right.

Scottie Pippen

[Isitjustme?]

Jordan really matured in the late 80s and only his teammates and his retirements kept him from winning 10+ rings...

[Giuseppe]

Jordan really matured in the late 80s and only his teammates and his retirements kept him from winning 10+ rings...

But, until Pippen arrived MJ couldn't ring, and never rang without him.

Bryant had no problem ringin' sans Daddy, not only once, but, Back-2-Back, sans Daddy.

[Isitjustme?]

But, until Pippen arrived MJ couldn't ring, and never rang without him.

Bryant had no problem ringin' sans Daddy, not only once, but, Back-2-Back, sans Daddy.

Jordan would have won 70 with Gasol, Odom, and Bynum...

[Isitjustme?]

Imagine Jordan playing with the best frontline in basketball... :wow

[Giuseppe]

Jordan would have won 70 with Gasol, Odom, and Bynum...

"would have" don't count for shit.

If Pierce "would have" had a brain in his f'in head he'd a never backed off Artest last June and I'd be sittin' here with my dick in my hand.

[Isitjustme?]

Did I say 70? I meant 75...

[BlackSwordsMan]

13 year old stories are awesome

[Giuseppe]

Did I say 70? I meant 75...

Jordan didn't. That is the reality.

He couldn't do anything till Pippen saved him from a misery that was boundless. But, Pippen did save him. Got him straightened out, like Kobe straightened out Daddy, Odom, Gasol, Artest, et al.

[Isitjustme?]

Kobe was doing a lot in 2006 and 2007...

[benefactor]

The supporting cast Kobe has had during these last two runs>>Shaq. It's pretty foolish to think otherwise.

[benefactor]

Oh...and lol sub .500 and lol missing the playoffs.

[Isitjustme?]

The supporting cast Kobe has had during these last two runs>>Shaq. It's pretty foolish to think otherwise.

Yep, no reason to penalize Jordan because he had 1 HOF teammate as a constant, when Kobe just swapped one (Shaq) for the other (Gasol), while also picking up better role players in Bynum, Odom and Artest...

[Giuseppe]

Kobe was doing a lot in 2006 and 2007...

Exactly. He woke up though, ran Buss to ground, and made him come across with the goods.

It's not a f'in' game, Isit. It's not personal. It's just business.

[Giuseppe]

Yep, no reason to penalize Jordan because he had 1 HOF teammate as a constant, when Kobe just swapped one (Shaq) for the other (Gasol), while also picking up better role players in Bynum, Odom and Artest...

I don't do HOF. It's my religion. It's political, it's like a dice game, or, a game with a spinner....total caca.

[Koolaid_Man]

The supporting cast Kobe has had during these last two runs>>Shaq. It's pretty foolish to think otherwise.


ohh so now you want to change the script...you're a fucking fool you hyprocrite...:lol

[Isitjustme?]

Kobe needed a lot of help to win those titles. A lot more than Jordan did...

[Bito Corleone]

Iverson said the same thing...young players coming in and saying they could beat an older MJ 1v1 doesn't mean a damn thing.

[LkrFan]

The supporting cast Kobe has had during these last two runs>>Shaq. It's pretty foolish to think otherwise.
So let me get this straight, Pau "Gasoft" and Andrew "Glass Knees" Bynum is > prime Shaq? :lol

[Giuseppe]

Kobe needed a lot of help to win those titles. A lot more than Jordan did...

Kobe is the constant in his own ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.

[Giuseppe]

So let me get this straight, Pau "Gasoft" and Andrew "Glass Knees" Bynum is > prime Shaq? :lol

He's only "Gasoft" when it suits Spurs Fan, Lk.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe is the constant in his own ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.


Giuseppe

[Isitjustme?]

Kobe is the constant in his own ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.

What does that have to do with anything?

[LkrFan]

Kobe is the constant in his own ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.

Well well well - :downspin: this shit haters. :lol

[Isitjustme?]

Ignore the fact that that doesn't even make sense.

[Isitjustme?]

Man Laker fans are really down to the bottom of the barrel for when it comes to Kobe > MJ arguments...

[Giuseppe]

Man Laker fans are really down to the bottom of the barrel for when it comes to Kobe > MJ arguments...

Pippen, makin' like the elephant in the room is like shaved pussy.

[LkrFan]

He's only "Gasoft" when it suits Spurs Fan, Lk.

But of course :lol

[Giuseppe]

What does that have to do with anything?

Jordan couldn't ring without Pippen.

Kobe rang with & without Daddy.

[Koolaid_Man]

What does that have to do with anything?

It means that Kobe calls his shots...He is the Common Denominator...as Pippen is for MJ....

MJ Never won without Pippen...

Kobe Won without Shaq and Without Gasol

[LkrFan]

Kobe was doing a lot in 2006 and 2007...

Individually, yes. But look at who he was rolling with:

Smush (where is this guy anyway?)
Kobe
LO (inconsistent as hell back then. Kobe's Pippen my ass)
Cook (doesn't even get 5 mpg with the Clips now)
Kwame ('nuff said)

:rolleyes

[Giuseppe]

Kobe Won without Shaq [[[and Without Gasol]]]

Kool, cleanin' up my shit.

Kool Aid Man

P.S., like he did when he delineated the 3 Back-2-Backs that I'd only counted as 2.

P.S.s., I still have to write the gd equation down on paper in long hand to grasp it.:lol

[Giuseppe]

Individually, yes. But look at who he was rolling with:

Smush (where is this guy anyway?)
Kobe
LO (inconsistent as hell back then. Kobe's Pippen my ass)
Cook (doesn't even get 5 mpg with the Clips now)
Kwame ('nuff said)

:rolleyes

Odom didn't finally get straightened out once & for all until Buss signed off on Artest and Odom had to act like somebody. He'd still be drifting in the gd winds if he wasn't beholden to Artest.

[Reck]

Notice how kool misquotes the article. :lol

You can take on anybody, doesn't mean you're gonna win.

[Zelophehad]

Jesus fucking Christ, there are some retarded laker fans on this site. I mean for fuck's sake.

[Koolaid_Man]

2005: "Kobe can't win without Shaq"

2009: "Kobe can't win without Gasol"

2012: "Kobe can't win without PJ"

All the guy does is win.


Imma save this for future reference....:lol

[LkrFan]

Jesus fucking Christ, there are some retarded laker fans on this site. I mean for fuck's sake.

No need to blaspheme. And stay off my profile page, cowtipping bitch. :lol

[Giuseppe]

And stay off my profile page, cowtipping bitch. :lol

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

No need to blaspheme. And stay off my profile page, cowtipping bitch. :lol

:lmao you a cold muthafucker Lkrfan...

[dunkman]

Of course Kobe could take MJ 1 on 1 when he was 40 because he moved in slow motion. Kobe wouldn't have a chance vs prime MJ, because MJ was better handling the rock, could score despite contact and was almost impossible to stop.

As for Kobe's ringing, there was never doubt if MJ should be the finals MVP in any of his 6 championships. On the other hand, Shaq was the undisputed finals MVP in the Kobe's first 3 rings. Why? Because he was the Lakers best player during the threepeat and the offense run trough him. Kobe had a good finals in 2009 as Orlando didn't have a premier wing defender, however he played substandard in 2004, 2008 and 2010. It's not clear who should have gotten the 2010 finals MVP.

He could do little against Prince, Allen and Pierce. MJ was better defensive player than them and, unlike Kobe, always played his best in the finals.

[Koolaid_Man]

Of course Kobe could take MJ 1 on 1 when he was 40 because he moved in slow motion. Kobe wouldn't have a chance vs prime MJ, because MJ was better handling the rock, could score despite contact and was almost impossible to stop.

As for Kobe's ringing, there was never doubt if MJ should be the finals MVP in any of his 6 championships. On the other hand, Shaq was the undisputed finals MVP in the Kobe's first 3 rings. Why? Because he was the Lakers best player during the threepeat and the offense run trough him. Kobe had a good finals in 2009 as Orlando didn't have a premier wing defender, however he played substandard in 2004, 2008 and 2010. It's not clear who should have gotten the 2010 finals MVP.

He could do little against Prince, Allen and Pierce. MJ was better defensive player than them and, unlike Kobe, always played his best in the finals.


and when MJ faced a great wing defender in the finals ( Gary Payton) he shot 26% in the final game similar to Kobe's 25% against Boston...:lmao

come again....

[Riddler]

So let me get this straight, Pau "Gasoft" and Andrew "Glass Knees" Bynum is > prime Shaq? :lol

No, Bynum and Gasol are two of the best big men in the league, due to there not being many skilled big men in the league anymore.

[Riddler]

Oh, and Jordan wouldn't have lost with 3 hall of famers against a team with no superstars in the Finals

[Riddler]

But then again, Jordan never lost in the finals, tee hee

[Giuseppe]

But then again, Jordan never lost in the finals, tee hee

& he never won a Finals without Pippen.

[Koolaid_Man]

But then again, Jordan never lost in the finals, tee hee


well when you've been to more finals than MJ it's natural you'll lose more.....:lmao

[TampaDude]

Kobe Won without Shaq and Without Gasol

Nice misleading statement there. Kobe never rang without either Shaq or Gasol.

[Giuseppe]

Nice misleading statement there. Kobe never rang without either Shaq or Gasol.

Yeah, he did. He rang without Daddy, and without Gasol.

[dunkman]

and when MJ faced a great wing defender in the finals ( Gary Payton) he shot 26% in the final game similar to Kobe's 25% against Boston...:lmao

come again....

The Bulls already took an unsurmountable 3:0 lead early in the series. There will be a bad game for every player, even the best ones. However, very uncharacteristic for all time greats, Kobe sometimes sucks during a complete series.

[TampaDude]

Yeah, he did. He rang without Daddy, and without Gasol.

Really? What year was that?

[ElNono]

Dominant big men is the constant in Kobe's ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.

fify

Kobe is also the constant in his own missing the playoffs.
MJ's constant in missing the playoffs is... oh, wait... nevermind :lol

And lol brother

[Giuseppe]

Kobe rang without Daddy. Kobe rang without Gasol.

MJ never rang without Pippen.

[ElNono]

Neither rang without Phil Jackson... Zen Master >>>> MJ/Kome

[Giuseppe]

^What's that got to do with the price of eggs, El?

[Zelophehad]

Jesus, what a fucking stupid illogical argument.

[hitmanyr2k]

Yeah, he did. He rang without Daddy, and without Gasol.

Hasn't rung without Fisher has he?

Wasn't it Fisher saving Kobe's bacon in the 2009 Finals when Kobe couldn't throw it in the ocean for the 2nd straight game and going 0-for-everything down the stretch in Game 4? Wasn't it Fisher once again coming to the rescue in the 4th when Kobe was fizzling against the Celtics last year in the Finals in Game 3 and Game 7? Whenever Kobe is drowning it's Fisher who throws him that life preserver :lol

http://www.artsjournal.com/dewey21c/windows-7-life-preserver.jpg

[Giuseppe]

Hasn't rung without Fisher has he?

Wasn't it Fisher saving Kobe's bacon in the 2009 Finals when Kobe couldn't throw it in the ocean for the 2nd straight game and going 0-for-everything down the stretch in Game 4? Wasn't it Fisher once again coming to the rescue in the 4th when Kobe was fizzling against the Celtics last year in the Finals in Game 3 and Game 7? Whenever Kobe is drowning it's Fisher who throws him that life preserver :lol

http://www.artsjournal.com/dewey21c/windows-7-life-preserver.jpg

& that's jake with me.

It was also Fisher who in Game 7 last June slapped Kobe upside the head to get him to settle the fuck down and play the game in real time.

D. Fish

[Isitjustme?]

& that's jake with me.


?

[Giuseppe]

^It means I'm fine with it.

[Koolaid_Man]

How many times do I have to say it:


Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year


Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month

[lefty]

LMAO Kobe

He is not even half the player Jordan was

[Sean Cagney]

:lmao My brother is indeed arrogant....and I love it...

Kobe has indeed proven he can take MJ 1 on 1 now he has the opportunity to scat on MJ by beating the Bulls on their homecourt...:lol



http://www.ocregister.com/sports/jackson-295531-one-bryant.html

How indeed did he prove he can take MJ one on one? You are full of it bruh :rollin:rollin

[DPG21920]

Kobe's first words to Tim in the playoffs were "why did you skunk me?"

Has any other "superstar" been skunked back to back in the playoffs before like Kobe has?

[Sean Cagney]

How many times do I have to say it:


Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year


Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month







Kobes cast is alot better than MJ's without Pippen since you go there! Pau Gasol is one of the best big men in the game, an all star! MJ without Pippen had? Stop it. Put up those years without a big man for KOBE! He won shit.

[lefty]

How many times do I have to say it:


Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year


Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month







Jordan didnt play in that shitty watered down NBA

And while you say without Shaq, does it include "without Gasol" as well?




GTFO

[DMC]

I think Jordan paid off his bets though.

[TampaDude]

Kobe rang without Daddy. Kobe rang without Gasol.


I'll put it another way. When Kobe rang without Shaq, he had Gasol. When Kobe rang without Gasol, he had Shaq. There was never a year that Kobe won the NBA Championship without the help of either Shaq or Gasol. FACT.

[TampaDude]

Hasn't rung without Fisher has he?

Wasn't it Fisher saving Kobe's bacon in the 2009 Finals when Kobe couldn't throw it in the ocean for the 2nd straight game and going 0-for-everything down the stretch in Game 4? Wasn't it Fisher once again coming to the rescue in the 4th when Kobe was fizzling against the Celtics last year in the Finals in Game 3 and Game 7? Whenever Kobe is drowning it's Fisher who throws him that life preserver :lol

http://www.artsjournal.com/dewey21c/windows-7-life-preserver.jpg

^ this

Fish was as big a part of those rings as Kobe.

[Bill_Brasky]

Kobe rang without Daddy. Kobe rang without Gasol.

MJ never rang without Pippen.


You say that like it matters. It's still:

Jordan: 6

Kobe: 5

And it will stay that way forever.

Does lakerfan really seriously feel like Kobe is better than MJ? Like legitimately?

Jordan always lead his team to the playoffs, even with shitty players around him. Can't say the same for Kobe.

[DPG21920]

Kobe was skunked by Tim first and that is all that matters. It was the first time Kobe met Tim when it was money time and Tim laid down the law with a skunker. Subsequently, it rattled Kobe so much, that he got skunked the very next year in the playoffs and nothing changes that.

[TampaDude]

You say that like it matters. It's still:

Jordan: 6

Kobe: 5

And it will stay that way forever.

Does lakerfan really seriously feel like Kobe is better than MJ? Like legitimately?

Jordan always lead his team to the playoffs, even with shitty players around him. Can't say the same for Kobe.

Yup.

Hell, LeBron led a team of scrubs to to the NBA Finals in 2007. Kobe couldn't lead a team of scrubs to a bowling alley. :lol

[Giuseppe]

I'll put it another way. When Kobe rang without Shaq, he had Gasol. When Kobe rang without Gasol, he had Shaq. There was never a year that Kobe won the NBA Championship without the help of either Shaq or Gasol. FACT.

But, Kobe still rang without Daddy & without Gasol.

Jordan never rang without Pippen.

[ElNono]

Recognizing Phil Jackson is completely warranted IMO... He was able to ring with MJ, Shaq and Gasol as his stars... All fairly dominant players, but with very different characteristics...

[Giuseppe]

You say that like it matters. It's still:

Jordan: 6

Kobe: 5

And it will stay that way forever.

Does lakerfan really seriously feel like Kobe is better than MJ? Like legitimately?

Jordan always lead his team to the playoffs, even with shitty players around him. Can't say the same for Kobe.

But, Jordan couldn't ring without Pippen. Kobe had no problem repeating without Daddy, and without Gasol.

& yes, I can't dispute Jordan 6-5 over Kobe, but, Kobe is far from finished. Jordan is locked at 6.

[baseline bum]

Pippen saved Jordan from the Media hordes. Media tried the same stunt with Daddy. Kobe though headed 'em off at the pass as Pippen did for MJ.

Scottie Pippen

Head them off at the pass? I hate that cliche.

[Koolaid_Man]

I think Jordan paid off his bets though.


His dad would still be alive if that were true...:lol

[ElNono]

But, Kobe still rang without Daddy & without Gasol.

Jordan never rang without Pippen.

But, Jordan still rang without Dennis Rodman and Steve Kerr.

Kobe never rang without Fisher.

[Giuseppe]

Yup.

Hell, LeBron led a team of scrubs to to the NBA Finals in 2007. Kobe couldn't lead a team of scrubs to a bowling alley. :lol

We're not doing :"to the NBA Finals." Uh, uh. You either ring, or, you're in last place with 28 other teams.

That's the rule. It was that way when Kobe couldn't ring/sans Daddy, and it's gonna be that way going forth.

[Riddler]

Yup.

Hell, LeBron led a team of scrubs to to the NBA Finals in 2007. Kobe couldn't lead a team of scrubs to a bowling alley. :lol

Lakerfan response: " But, But, LeBron played in the watered down East!!! While Kobe's team had a 3-1 lead and couldn't finish because it was SOO tough in the West"

[Giuseppe]

Kobe never rang without Fisher.

I got no problem with that.

[ElNono]

Lakerfan response: " But, But, LeBron played in the watered down East!!! While Kobe's team had a 3-1 lead and couldn't finish because it was SOO tough in the West"

lol not taking shots to make a point...

[Bill_Brasky]

But, Jordan couldn't ring without Pippen. Kobe had no problem repeating without Daddy, and without Gasol.

& yes, I can't dispute Jordan 6-5 over Kobe, but, Kobe is far from finished. Jordan is locked at 6.


Doesn't matter who you do it with, 6-5 is 6-5. And you didn't answer my question as to whether you legitimately feel like Kobe > MJ. I don't care who rang with who, I just want you to admit that you really don't think that Kobe > MJ, because I know you don't.

[Giuseppe]

Asked & answered.

[TampaDude]

But, Kobe still rang without Daddy & without Gasol.


No, he did not. I already explained that. I know what you're trying to do with your little semantic trickeration, but it won't work. Everyone knows that Kobe has NEVER won a title playing on a Laker team that had, in the same NBA season, neither Shaq nor Gasol on it. FACT.

[Giuseppe]

Yes, he did.

[Koolaid_Man]

Jordan didnt play in that shitty watered down NBA

And while you say without Shaq, does it include "without Gasol" as well?




GTFO


Sure thing...hey yo yo yo...funny thing is that Kobe shows that without Gasol and Shaq he's still has a higher winning percentage and more awards than MJ without Pippen....you Fuckers lose this argument....and you're welcome I know you hate Kool for bringing this out...:lmao bring tha noise bitches....:lmao

Kobe (3 Seasons) without Shaq and Gasol:

.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP ( Gasol got there too late :lol)
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

and finally one more time:

Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month

[Giuseppe]

Testify, Brother Kool, testify!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bill_Brasky]

Sure thing...hey yo yo yo...funny thing is that Kobe shows that without Gasol and Shaq he's still has a higher winning percentage and more awards than MJ without Pippen....you Fuckers lose this argument....and you're welcome I know you hate Kool for bringing this out...:lmao bring tha noise bitches....:lmao

Kobe (3 Seasons) without Shaq and Gasol:

.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP ( Gasol got there too late :lol)
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

and finally one more time:

Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month










So what you're saying is, basketball is a team sport and not even the GOAT(Jordan) could get it done by himself. Gotcha.

[Koolaid_Man]

sing it from the roof tops:

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:


.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

[Riddler]

lol Kool not understanding the concept of Most Valuable Player

[Dunc n Dave]

Kobe is the constant in his own ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.

Wrong! Fisher is the constant in Kobe's ringing.

[gaKNOW!blee]

:lol comparing prime kobe to young/wizards MJ

[Koolaid_Man]

So what you're saying is, basketball is a team sport and not even the GOAT(Jordan) could get it done by himself. Gotcha.


So now it's a team sport....:lol and then :lmao

you asked for Kobe without Gasol and Shaq and it's still better than MJ without Pippen...:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

It must suck to hate Kobe....:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol comparing prime kobe to young/wizards MJ

:lol Comparing MJ playing against watered down competition vs Kobe's competition....

[BlackSwordsMan]

kobe's first words to kool '' everyone bleeds at first''

[Koolaid_Man]

lol Kool not understanding the concept of Most Valuable Player


Listen when a young and prime MJ had his chance to prove what he could do against Prime competition similar to what Kobe faces in his generation today look at the results..It's brutal for MJ...He simply couldn't win when faced with real compeition....:lmao and then :lmao

Lost to Millwakee in 4 games :lmao
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...:lmao
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...:lmao
Lost agaisnt Detroit..:lmao
Lost against Detroit :lmao
Lost again vs Detroit...:lmao

Nigga couldn't win shit when it counted....:lmao Now Spin that botiches...

[TampaDude]

Listen when a young and prime MJ had his chance to prove what he could do against Prime competition similar to what Kobe faces in his generation today look at the results..It's brutal for MJ...He simply couldn't win when faced with real compeition....:lmao and then :lmao

Lost to Millwakee in 4 games :lmao
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...:lmao
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...:lmao
Lost agaisnt Detroit..:lmao
Lost against Detroit :lmao
Lost again vs Detroit...:lmao

Nigga couldn't win shit when it counted....:lmao Now Spin that botiches...

No spin required.

Jordan: 6

Kobe: 5*

[Isitjustme?]

They weren't his very first words since Kobe went up to Jordan during MJ's Bulls days and asked him for advice in the middle of games.

[Koolaid_Man]

No spin required.

Jordan: 6

Kobe: 5*


for now I concede the point...but it's good to see you finally coming around...I play poker at a very slow pace...I know just when to feed you fuckers...all this time and I've just been waiting for the right opportunity to turn you into Cully Jr....

Proceed on....:lol

MJ 6

Kobe 5

Kobe 5

Duncan 4

:lmao

[Bito Corleone]

It must suck to hate Kobe....:lmao
It's not about hating Kobe. It's about realizing that Jordan was better. I like Kobe. Hell, I even like the Lakers (still think most of their fans are delusional bandwagoners though) and get a lot of shit for in here in SA.

It's impossible to compare the two side by side in any fashion and find a way to say that Kobe is better. The one thing that Kobe has on Jordan is a better jump shot. Jordan was better in every other aspect of the game. The only people you ever find that will say Kobe is better than Jordan are either Lakers fans, or kids too young to ever see Jordan play. Kobe is one of the best to ever play the game without question, but he's not the best.

[Koolaid_Man]

They weren't his very first words since Kobe went up to Jordan during MJ's Bulls days and asked him for advice in the middle of games.


hey dude admit it..I got you niggas reeling off this shit..truth is MJ relied on Pippen way more then Kobe relied on Shaq and Gasol....:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

So now it's a team sport....:lol and then :lmao

you asked for Kobe without Gasol and Shaq and it's still better than MJ without Pippen...:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

It must suck to hate Kobe....:lmao

Please quote the post where I did any of the following:

-said basketball isn't a team sport
-asked for useless stats about kobe without shaq/gasol or Jordan without pippen
-said that I hate kobe

Please, do it.

[Isitjustme?]

hey dude admit it..I got you niggas reeling off this shit..truth is MJ relied on Pippen way more then Kobe relied on Shaq and Gasol....:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I guess if your emoticons say so it must be true...

[Koolaid_Man]

It's not about hating Kobe. It's about realizing that Jordan was better. I like Kobe. Hell, I even like the Lakers (still think most of their fans are delusional bandwagoners though) and get a lot of shit for in here in SA.

It's impossible to compare the two side by side in any fashion and find a way to say that Kobe is better. The one thing that Kobe has on Jordan is a better jump shot. Jordan was better in every other aspect of the game. The only people you ever find that will say Kobe is better than Jordan are either Lakers fans, or kids too young to ever see Jordan play. Kobe is one of the best to ever play the game without question, but he's not the best.


I just made the perfect case....MJ won easy because it was easyPERIOD!!!

He couldn't win when he faced real competition...that's all I need to know...about who's the greatest...:toast

[Isitjustme?]

Well, unfortunately everyone who knows shit about basketball needs to know more than that.

[Koolaid_Man]

Please quote the post where I did any of the following:

-said basketball isn't a team sport
-asked for useless stats about kobe without shaq/gasol or Jordan without pippen
-said that I hate kobe

Please, do it.


you faggots been saying all along that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq..

then it was without Gasol....

now I hit you with the real data of how much better he was without Shaq and Gasol than MJ without Pippen and now you want to seem reasonable again...Go Fuck Yourself....:lmao

[DPG21920]

Kobe was skunked by Tim first and that is all that matters. It was the first time Kobe met Tim when it was money time and Tim laid down the law with a skunker. Subsequently, it rattled Kobe so much, that he got skunked the very next year in the playoffs and nothing changes that.

[TampaDude]

It's not about hating Kobe. It's about realizing that Jordan was better. I like Kobe. Hell, I even like the Lakers (still think most of their fans are delusional bandwagoners though) and get a lot of shit for in here in SA.

It's impossible to compare the two side by side in any fashion and find a way to say that Kobe is better. The one thing that Kobe has on Jordan is a better jump shot. Jordan was better in every other aspect of the game. The only people you ever find that will say Kobe is better than Jordan are either Lakers fans, or kids too young to ever see Jordan play. Kobe is one of the best to ever play the game without question, but he's not the best.

I don't really like Kobe at all, but I respect his game. Personally, I think he's a prima donna. That's just "sports hate", though. It's not like I'd want him to get run over by a truck and killed or anything like that. I was never really a Jordan fan, either, but he IS the GOAT, no question.

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't really like Kobe at all, but I respect his game. Personally, I think he's a prima donna. That's just "sports hate", though. It's not like I'd want him to get run over by a truck and killed or anything like that. I was never really a Jordan fan, either, but he IS the GOAT, no question.


whatever you faggots saying this shit cuz I layed out the goods...go fuck yourself...

[Isitjustme?]

I won and I don't care what anyone says...go fuck yourself...:cry :cry :cry :cry

[TampaDude]

whatever you faggots saying this shit cuz I layed out the goods...go fuck yourself...

Jordan 6

Kobe 5

HAIL CULLY!!! :toast

[Red Hawk #21]

Iverson said the same thing...young players coming in and saying they could beat an older MJ 1v1 doesn't mean a damn thing.

MJ would WRECK Iverson's shit tbh

[Bito Corleone]

whatever you faggots saying this shit cuz I layed out the goods...go fuck yourself...
Kool, the day you lay out "the goods" on anything basketball related, I will post a picture of the gun to my head just before I shoot myself.

[dunkman]

Sure thing...hey yo yo yo...funny thing is that Kobe shows that without Gasol and Shaq he's still has a higher winning percentage and more awards than MJ without Pippen....you Fuckers lose this argument....and you're welcome I know you hate Kool for bringing this out...:lmao bring tha noise bitches....:lmao

Kobe (3 Seasons) without Shaq and Gasol:

.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP ( Gasol got there too late :lol)
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

and finally one more time:

Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month









While Jordan played with various good players before Phil Jax, that coach was instrumental for the success of both, MJ and Kobe.

You should compare the season where the Lakers were coached by Tomjanovich or before Phil Jax arrived, with MJ's first seasons prior Phil Jax's arrival to the Bulls.

Kobe never made an all-defensive team and was third team all-nba twice without Phil Jax. MJ still made a second team all-nba, first team all-nba and scored +3000 pts in a season, all that without Phil Jax.

[TampaDude]

Kool, the day you lay out "the goods" on anything basketball related, I will post a picture of the gun to my head just before I shoot myself.

:lmao

[TampaDude]

While Jordan played with various good players before Phil Jax, that coach was instrumental for the success of both, MJ and Kobe.

You should compare the season where the Lakers were coached by Tomjanovich or before Phil Jax arrived, with MJ's first seasons prior Phil Jax's arrival to the Bulls.

Kobe never made an all-defensive team and was third team all-nba twice without Phil Jax. MJ still made a second team all-nba, first team all-nba and scored +3000 pts in a season, all that without Phil Jax.

Yeah...as much as I love to bag on PJ, he does get it done, doesn't he? :hat

[hitmanyr2k]

Cmon, let's be real. If Jordan had won his first ring with playoff averages of 21 ppg on 43% shooting, 4 rebs, and 4 assists while being carried by a 30ppg, 15rpg center he would have hung himself.

Better yet if Jordan had averaged 19 points on 36% shooting with 4 rebs, and 4 assists in his first Finals and won a ring on the back of a center putting up averages of 38 points on 60% shooting and 16 boards he would have hung himself and then set himself on fire.

[TampaDude]

This totally fucks these niggas up right here.

You're a fucking retard.

[Isitjustme?]

Cmon, let's be real. If Jordan had won his first ring with playoff averages of 21 ppg on 43% shooting, 4 rebs, and 4 assists while being carried by a 30ppg, 15rpg center he would have hung himself.

Better yet if Jordan had averaged 19 points on 36% shooting with 4 rebs, and 4 assists in his first Finals and won a ring on the back of a center putting up averages of 38 points on 60% shooting and 16 boards he would have hung himself and then set himself on fire.

dick slapped

[Koolaid_Man]

Cmon, let's be real. If Jordan had won his first ring with playoff averages of 21 ppg on 43% shooting, 4 rebs, and 4 assists while being carried by a 30ppg, 15rpg center he would have hung himself.

Better yet if Jordan had averaged 19 points on 36% shooting with 4 rebs, and 4 assists in his first Finals and won a ring on the back of a center putting up averages of 38 points on 60% shooting and 16 boards he would have hung himself and then set himself on fire.


only reason Kobe's stats aren't closer to MJ is because of Shaq...MJ couldn't have played with Shaq...He would have lite into Shaq's ass for being a lazy fuck....:lmao

[TampaDude]

quit using the words 'ring' and 'rang' as verbs for winning rings stupid fucks

:lol

Truth be told, players don't win rings. TEAMS win CHAMPIONSHIPS. The rings are just mementos that every player on the championship TEAM gets.

[lefty]

Jordan would have never pwned by Hayward




/thread

[Kyle Orton]

5 seasons without Pippen? Oh I guess he's counting those 2 seasons with the Wizards :lol, Lakerfan loves to act like those seasons are a reflection on MJ's entire career.

[Isitjustme?]

Its amazing how far they have to narrow the parameters to make a comparison where Kobe doesn't get laughed out of the building...

[Bill_Brasky]

you faggots been saying all along that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq..

then it was without Gasol....

now I hit you with the real data of how much better he was without Shaq and Gasol than MJ without Pippen and now you want to seem reasonable again...Go Fuck Yourself....:lmao

That's what I thought......a post full of smiley faces and meaningless words.

Your posts look like someone took a bunch of words and just threw them at a wall, then took a handful of "lol" and "lmao" smileys and sprinkled them on top. You are a terrible, terrible troll and overall person, and I hope horrible things happen to you.

Cul, not so much. At least he says something worthwhile every now and then.

[Isitjustme?]

That's what I thought......a post full of smiley faces and meaningless words.

Your posts look like someone took a bunch of words and just threw them at a wall, then took a handful of "lol" and "lmao" smileys and sprinkled them on top. You are a terrible, terrible troll and overall person, and I hope horrible things happen to you.



His emoticon employment skills are unmatched tbh

Best I've seen on the internet...

Just when I when I think I have a chance to compete, a well placed smiley brings me to my knees.

[Koolaid_Man]

That's what I thought......a post full of smiley faces and meaningless words.

Your posts look like someone took a bunch of words and just threw them at a wall, then took a handful of "lol" and "lmao" smileys and sprinkled them on top. You are a terrible, terrible troll and overall person, and I hope horrible things happen to you.

Cul, not so much. At least he says something worthwhile every now and then.

so do you prefer red or green sour grapes... :whine

I'm suffering now by responding to this shit...

[Koolaid_Man]

Listen all I've been hearing all season long is how Kobe wasn't shit without Shaq and Gasol...well now...I will accept that if you accept the fact that MJ was even worse without his Pip....I guess I turned the table on you weasel face fucks...

[Isitjustme?]

Listen all I've been hearing all season long is how Kobe wasn't shit without Shaq and Gasol...well now...I will accept that if you accept the fact that MJ was even worse without his Pip....I guess I turned the table on you weasel face fucks...

Still shitty, but at least no emoticons this time...

[Kyle Orton]

:wow

Does Kool remind you of the guy that touched you when you were 6? Easy there, buddy.:lmao
Neat job comparing your BFF to a child molester wang chung

[Bill_Brasky]

:wow

Does Kool remind you of the guy that touched you when you were 6? Easy there, buddy.:lmao
http://i53.tinypic.com/2gxqidg.jpg

[Bito Corleone]

OK. Since this is the way Laker fan wants to do it...

Jordan without Pippen - on the bulls, when it mattered not when he was 40 years old on the fucking Wizards

Pts: 33.70
FG%: .493
Rbs: 6.01
Ast: 5.32
Stl: 2.74
Blk: 1.26

Kobe without Shaq or Gasol

Pts: 31.75
FG%: .450
Rbs: 5.63
Ast: 5.25
Stl: 1.54
Blk: 0.53

Keep in mind that these were Jordan's first 3 years in the league and Kobe still doesn't beat him in one statistical category. Add the rest of both of their careers and only a blind man wouldn't see the difference.

Game/Set/Match, check mate, whatever analogy you want to use...Jordan>Kobe

[Giuseppe]

Cept MJ never rang without Pippen.

Kobe rang without Daddy and without Gasol.

[Kyle Orton]

Kobe never rang without Fisher.


tee, hee

[DPG21920]

Why do people keep arguing with these cockroaches like they are serious? They aren't. They aren't trying to discuss basketball. They are seriously disturbed people in real life.

[Bill_Brasky]

Cept MJ never rang without Pippen.

Kobe rang without Daddy and without Gasol.

Did Kobe ever ring with a team that didn't have any of the following players:
Shaq
Gasol
Fisher

?

[Giuseppe]

Kobe never rang without Fisher.


tee, hee

I'm jake with that.

But he rang without Daddy. And without Gasol.

[Giuseppe]

Did Kobe ever ring with a team that didn't have any of the following players:
Shaq
Gasol
Fisher

?

No, but, he rang more times than Duncan.

[Giuseppe]

Why do people keep arguing with these cockroaches like they are serious? They aren't. They aren't trying to discuss basketball. They are seriously disturbed people in real life.

& one us has your $500.

ha, ha, turdhound.

[Kyle Orton]

I'm jake with that.

It's nary a difference than MJ needing Pippen to ring

[Bill_Brasky]

No, but, he rang more times than Duncan.

Duncan? What business does he have in this argument?

[Giuseppe]

It's nary a difference than MJ needing Pippen to ring

& I'm jake with that.

[Giuseppe]

Duncan? What business does he have in this argument?

None, but, I dragged him in kickin' & screamin' nonetheless.

Don't like it? Kiss my royal ass.

[Kyle Orton]

They aren't trying to discuss basketball. They are seriously disturbed people in real life.
Yes they are, them being disturbed morons is why they have serious opinions like Bosh > Gasol, Kobe > MJ, Turkoglu > Amare. They are disturbed people, none of which have ever stepped onto a basketball court, and none of which know jack shit about basketball.

[Bill_Brasky]

None, but, I dragged him in kickin' & screamin' nonetheless.

Don't like it? Kiss my royal ass.

I'm sure Timmy would be flattered that you think about him so often.

[Giuseppe]

I'm sure Timmy would be flattered that you think about him so often.

I wouldn't give that fuck the time a day.

[DPG21920]

Yes they are, them being disturbed morons is why they have serious opinions like Bosh > Gasol, Kobe > MJ, Turkoglu > Amare. They are disturbed people, none of which have ever stepped onto a basketball court, and none of which know jack shit about basketball.

Not only that, but much like Kobe & Neal, they have very serious accusations. If Neal raped, then they are pedos and keep pictures of dead people on their computers.

[Kyle Orton]

Not only that, but much like Kobe & Neal, they have very serious accusations. If Neal raped, then they are pedos and keep pictures of dead people on their computers.
Accusations that, unlike Kobe or Neal, have yet to be dropped or acquitted.


Let us proceed.....

[Giuseppe]

Not only that, but much like Kobe & Neal, they have very serious accusations. If Neal raped, then they are pedos and keep pictures of dead people on their computers.

Neal did rape. There is no ifs, ands, or, buts about it.

[DPG21920]

Yup. They go around showing serious signs of being disturbed but everyone ignores it because it's the internet. It is why they can so freely discuss rape while ignoring facts. It is because they themselves are in that circle. They do things just as vile as rape. Not only have they been accused, but there has been plenty of documented moments of who they really are.

[LkrFan]

I think Jordan paid off his bets though.

Maybe, but maybe not. His father was murdered - probably due to MJ's betting. Sad actually. :depressed

[DPG21920]

They can say Neal and Kobe raped and that proves they are pedo's by the same account, which as messed up as it sounds, is even worse.

These are the people you deal with.

[Bito Corleone]

you faggots been saying all along that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq..

then it was without Gasol....

now I hit you with the real data of how much better he was without Shaq and Gasol than MJ without Pippen and now you want to seem reasonable again...Go Fuck Yourself....:lmao


Jordan without Pippen - on the bulls, when it mattered not when he was 40 years old on the fucking Wizards

Pts: 33.70
FG%: .493
Rbs: 6.01
Ast: 5.32
Stl: 2.74
Blk: 1.26

Kobe without Shaq or Gasol

Pts: 31.75
FG%: .450
Rbs: 5.63
Ast: 5.25
Stl: 1.54
Blk: 0.53



Cept MJ never rang without Pippen.

Kobe rang without Daddy and without Gasol.
Seems you missed the point there, Cully. Kobe never "rang" without one of the two...and the argument was Kool trying to say Kobe was still better than MJ without Pippen even when he didn't have either of them. Try and keep up next time.

[benefactor]

Welch
Wonton
Weenie

[Bill_Brasky]

I wouldn't give that fuck the time a day.

Except that you just gave it to him, in this very thread. Your actions and your words are sending two completely different messages to people.

[Kyle Orton]

Yup. They go around showing serious signs of being disturbed but everyone ignores it because it's the internet. It is why they can so freely discuss rape while ignoring facts. It is because they themselves are in that circle. They do things just as vile as rape. Not only have they been accused, but there has been plenty of documented moments of who they really are.

Posts like this one below only confirm this suspicions:


:wow

Does Kool remind you of the guy that touched you when you were 6? Easy there, buddy.:lmao

Sad. Even the internet isn't a safe place.

[Giuseppe]

Seems you missed the point there, Cully. Kobe never "rang" without one of the two...and the argument was Kool trying to say Kobe was still better than MJ without Pippen even when he didn't have either of them. Try and keep up next time.

I ain't Kool. I'm his Champion, yes, but, he's fully grown man.

If he jumped off the Watt's Towers do you think I would follow him?

Please.

[Giuseppe]

Except that you just gave it to him, in this very thread. Your actions and your words are sending two completely different messages to people.

Yes, I disrespect him, but, if I met him on the streets and he asked for the correct time, I wouldn't give it to him if I actually had it.

[Bill_Brasky]

Yes, I disrespect him, but, if I met him on the streets and he asked for the correct time, I wouldn't give it to him if I actually had it.

Except that would never happen, because you never leave your computer.

[Giuseppe]

Except that would never happen, because you never leave your computer.

:toast

[Bito Corleone]

I ain't Kool. I'm his Champion, yes, but, he's fully grown man.

If he jumped off the Watt's Towers do you think I would follow him?

Please.
Why would I, or anyone, think otherwise? You seem to follow him enough from what I see. You're basically his lap dog at this point.

[Kyle Orton]

Lakerfan has reached a new high in unintentional comedy: claiming they wouldn't give a HOF NBA player the time of day while being in denial about the fact no one on the Lakers would even pee on them of they were on fire :lmao

[Giuseppe]

Lakerfan has reached a new high in unintentional comedy: claiming they wouldn't give a HOF NBA player the time of day while being in denial about the fact no one on the Lakers would even pee on them of they were on fire :lmao

:rolleyes

[Giuseppe]

Why would I, or anyone, think otherwise? You seem to follow him enough from what I see. You're basically his lap dog at this point.

I wouldn't sully our relationship by discussing same.

Let us proceed...

[LkrFan]

Cmon, let's be real. If Jordan had won his first ring with playoff averages of 21 ppg on 43% shooting, 4 rebs, and 4 assists while being carried by a 30ppg, 15rpg center he would have hung himself.

Better yet if Jordan had averaged 19 points on 36% shooting with 4 rebs, and 4 assists in his first Finals and won a ring on the back of a center putting up averages of 38 points on 60% shooting and 16 boards he would have hung himself and then set himself on fire.

If MJ played with Shaq, PJ would have made him a 2nd option too. And way to bring up those numbers. How old was Kobe - 21 while posting those numbers? :lol What about the 2nd title and the 3rd? Was he still at 21 ppg? :lol

MJ had the refs in his backpocketPERIOD. There is NOTHING that MJ did that Kobe wouldn't have been able to do if Kobe were on those Bulls teams. MJ was before his time, playing against only about 3 players that could be considered his athletic equal or in the same stratosphere: Dumars, Drexler, Dominique. That's it. Kobe would have broke Craig Ehlo off for 69 points or Bird (who was guarding MJ anyway - Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge? :lol) for 63 points, and he wouldn't have had to push off on Bryon Russell. :lol

MJ's legend grows by the day. Truth be told, Pippen guarded the opposition's best perimeter player probably 85-90% of the time which allowed MJ to do his thang offensively. Kobe didn't have that luxury until either Ariza emerged and then they brought in Artest. Otherwise, Kobe had to shut down his man and give LA 35 - especially post Shaq and pre-Gasol.

Oh, and MJ would NOT have won more than 3 rings without Worm signing with them. Hell, he lucky Shaq bolted Orlando when he did. In 1994 they just finished off MJ's Bulls - prompting him to sign a bitter enemy just to have the chance to compete (Worm). Shaq, Penny, D Scott, Horace Grant :lol, Nick Anderson, etc., were young, but getting ready to push MJ's shit in until Shaq went to LA. I think deep down you know this.

I'm anxiously awaiting the day when Kobe get's #7. It's gonna happen and when it does, there will be a lot of :downspin: going on with the mediots and haters. It's gone be fun. If true greatness is measured by rangs, then you have to conclude that Kobe > MJ. Kind of gives you a sickening feeling huh? :lol

:toast

[Bill_Brasky]

If MJ played with Shaq, PJ would have made him a 2nd option too. And way to bring up those numbers. How old was Kobe - 21 while posting those numbers? :lol What about the 2nd title and the 3rd? Was he still at 21 ppg? :lol

MJ had the refs in his backpocketPERIOD. There is NOTHING that MJ did that Kobe wouldn't have been able to do if Kobe were on those Bulls teams. MJ was before his time, playing against only about 3 players that could be considered his athletic equal or in the same stratosphere: Dumars, Drexler, Dominique. That's it. Kobe would have broke Craig Ehlo off for 69 points or Bird (who was guarding MJ anyway - Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge? :lol) for 63 points, and he wouldn't have had to push off on Bryon Russell. :lol

MJ's legend grows by the day. Truth be told, Pippen guarded the opposition's best perimeter player probably 85-90% of the time which allowed MJ to do his thang offensively. Kobe didn't have that luxury until either Ariza emerged and then they brought in Artest. Otherwise, Kobe had to shut down his man and give LA 35 - especially post Shaq and pre-Gasol.

Oh, and MJ would NOT have won more than 3 rings without Worm signing with them. Hell, he lucky Shaq bolted Orlando when he did. In 1994 they just finished off MJ's Bulls - prompting him to sign a bitter enemy just to have the chance to compete (Worm). Shaq, Penny, D Scott, Horace Grant :lol, Nick Anderson, etc., were young, but getting ready to push MJ's shit in until Shaq went to LA. I think deep down you know this.

I'm anxiously awaiting the day when Kobe get's #7. It's gonna happen and when it does, there will be a lot of :downspin: going on with the mediots and haters. It's gone be fun. If true greatness is measured by rangs, then you have to conclude that Kobe > MJ. Kind of gives you a sickening feeling huh? :lol

:toast

http://i56.tinypic.com/25tvrwl.jpg

[Giuseppe]

If true greatness is measured by rangs

That's how they measured it at Duncan: 4, Kobe: 3.

Now that the chickens have come home to roost at Kobe: 5, Duncan: 4 they're all running as fast as they can.

[Riddler]

If MJ played with Shaq, PJ would have made him a 2nd option too. And way to bring up those numbers. How old was Kobe - 21 while posting those numbers? :lol What about the 2nd title and the 3rd? Was he still at 21 ppg? :lol

MJ had the refs in his backpocketPERIOD. There is NOTHING that MJ did that Kobe wouldn't have been able to do if Kobe were on those Bulls teams. MJ was before his time, playing against only about 3 players that could be considered his athletic equal or in the same stratosphere: Dumars, Drexler, Dominique. That's it. Kobe would have broke Craig Ehlo off for 69 points or Bird (who was guarding MJ anyway - Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge? :lol) for 63 points, and he wouldn't have had to push off on Bryon Russell. :lol

MJ's legend grows by the day. Truth be told, Pippen guarded the opposition's best perimeter player probably 85-90% of the time which allowed MJ to do his thang offensively. Kobe didn't have that luxury until either Ariza emerged and then they brought in Artest. Otherwise, Kobe had to shut down his man and give LA 35 - especially post Shaq and pre-Gasol.

Oh, and MJ would NOT have won more than 3 rings without Worm signing with them. Hell, he lucky Shaq bolted Orlando when he did. In 1994 they just finished off MJ's Bulls - prompting him to sign a bitter enemy just to have the chance to compete (Worm). Shaq, Penny, D Scott, Horace Grant :lol, Nick Anderson, etc., were young, but getting ready to push MJ's shit in until Shaq went to LA. I think deep down you know this.

I'm anxiously awaiting the day when Kobe get's #7. It's gonna happen and when it does, there will be a lot of :downspin: going on with the mediots and haters. It's gone be fun. If true greatness is measured by rangs, then you have to conclude that Kobe > MJ. Kind of gives you a sickening feeling huh? :lol

:toast

:lmao:lmao:lmao At MJ ever being a second option

[LkrFan]

That's how they measured it at Duncan: 4, Kobe: 3.

Now that the chickens have come home to roost at Kobe: 5, Duncan: 4 they're all running as fast as they can.

:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kobe is the constant in his own ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.

I would take a prime Shaq or Gasol over Pippen every day of the week.

MJ never needed a big to carry him. Quite the opposite in fact.

[LkrFan]

:lmao:lmao:lmao At MJ ever being a second option

Ok, riddle me this. The triangle is a triple post offense. Shaq in his prime truly was MDE. You mean to tell me that you got a 7'1" 325lb monster shooting 60% and you would make him a 2nd option to appease MJ? Jokes on you then. :lol

[Giuseppe]

I would take a prime Shaq or Gasol over Pippen every day of the week.

MJ never needed a big to carry him. Quite the opposite in fact.

All I know is MJ never rang without Pippen.

Kobe rang without Daddy, and without Gasol.

You can't dispute it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All I know is MJ never rang without Pippen.

Kobe rang without Daddy, and without Gasol.

You can't dispute it.

Dispute that MJ played with Pippen for most of his career and was able to lead a team while Bryant got butthurt and tore his team apart? Of course not.

Bryant made his own bed and sucked in it.

Its a credit to MJ that he kept those teams together and focused and its not a credit to the malcontent.

[LkrFan]

I would take a prime Shaq or Gasol over Pippen every day of the week.

MJ never needed a big to carry him. Quite the opposite in fact.

MJ didn't need a 20/10 big - don't get it twisted. He did need defensive minded bigs: Oakley, Cartwright, Ho Grant, Worm. Then for good measure he had other less than stellar bigs like Wennington, Stacy King, Luc Longley, Will Perdue, etc. to deliver anywhere from 18-24 fouls per game on players like Shaq, Ewing, Brad Daughterty, etc. to lessen their effectiveness.

Now granted an MJ/Pippen defensive duo is probably the greatest defensive tandem in NBA history. They could guard PGs, SGs, and SFs like a mofo. That is invaluable because if you can dominate the backcourt defensively, put a shit ton of pressure on them offensively, and lessen the effectiveness of their bread and butter (centers, powerforwards) you win. PJ knew that that's why he used to sick a 21 year old Kobe on a perimeter's best player during Kobe's 1st 3peat. Couple that with MJ/Pippen's offensive ability - which could lead a Ewing into foul trouble, you have a recipe for success.

So I don't buy that crap that MJ won without bigs. He had plenty of them at his disposal on the defensive side of the ball. I already stated that MJ/Pippen were the best defensive tandem in NBA history. Then they added Worm - a player that was versatile enough to check MJ in one game and Shaq in the next. Then he could rebound like a mofo. Not looking at his numbers but I could guarantee you he doesn't average over 10ppg but he is a HOFer (finally) because of his versatilty defensively. You have 3 players that are the best at their positions and they are versatile enough to crossmatch against other players in varying positions - you know what the results were: 72-10.

So please stop with this notion that MJ didn't have help in the pivot. He did - it just was on the defensive side of the ball.

[Giuseppe]

Dispute that MJ played with Pippen for most of his career and was able to lead a team while Bryant got butthurt and tore his team apart? Of course not.

I don't knock Bryant for making Buss toe the line. I salute him for it. I abhor for being tardy though due to the events of Colorado, of his own making. It cost him, and us, Bryant's prime. Those three years after Eagle (5,6,7) were the prime's prime of Bryant's career. They were spent in a sad soup of, relief, regret, rage, and finally resignation. When Bryant was finally able to act on his own behalf again, and our's by default he acted accordingly and with my full blessing.

[Koolaid_Man]

OK. Since this is the way Laker fan wants to do it...

Jordan without Pippen - on the bulls, when it mattered not when he was 40 years old on the fucking Wizards

Pts: 33.70
FG%: .493
Rbs: 6.01
Ast: 5.32
Stl: 2.74
Blk: 1.26

Kobe without Shaq or Gasol

Pts: 31.75
FG%: .450
Rbs: 5.63
Ast: 5.25
Stl: 1.54
Blk: 0.53

Keep in mind that these were Jordan's first 3 years in the league and Kobe still doesn't beat him in one statistical category. Add the rest of both of their careers and only a blind man wouldn't see the difference.

Game/Set/Match, check mate, whatever analogy you want to use...Jordan>Kobe

all of that and yet still Kobe won more than he did...:lmao

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

[Giuseppe]

^Kool Aid Man

[Man In Black]

Nice misleading statement there. Kobe never rang without either Shaq or Gasol.

Not that I want to read the whole thing but it's funny, Bean never rang without Turnstile Fish either.
As it stands, Duncan and Russell are the only players who have ever won titles in which the entire team around them changed players from the 1st title to it's most current. Bean needs Fish.

[Giuseppe]

^But, in the final analysis, Kobe leads Duncan: 5-4.

[Man In Black]

^whatever Parrot Boy. Did you ever figure out what the word acquitted means?

[Giuseppe]

^whatever Parrot Boy. Did you ever figure out what the word acquitted means?

Yer just stove up because Pop went on the street and picked up a rapist.

Congratulations, you're now in the Rapist's Club.

ha, ha.

[LkrFan]

Not that I want to read the whole thing but it's funny, Bean never rang without Turnstile Fish either.
As it stands, Duncan and Russell are the only players who have ever won titles in which the entire team around them changed players from the 1st title to it's most current. Bean needs Fish.

...and Kobe is the only player in NBA history to lead his team to back-to-back titles without a HOF teammate. The following players cannot make that same claim:

MJ - never repeated without Pippen
Bird - never won or repeated without McHale, Parish, or Dennis Johnson
Magic - never won or repeated without KAJ
KAJ -never repeated without Magic
Duncan*

*Never went back-to-back with a HOF teammate. :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

^But, in the final analysis, Kobe leads Duncan: 5-4.


Before it's all over the Spur fan will be on their knees begging me for more...:lmao

[LkrFan]

Yer just stove up because Pop went on the street and picked up a rapist.

Congratulations, you're now in the Rapist's Club.

ha, ha.

:lol

[LkrFan]

all of that and yet still Kobe won more than he did...:lmao

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year



This shit better than Blue Magic!! American Gangster ain't got shit on this post. Now :downspin:spin this shit haters. :downspin: this shhhiiiiiiiiitttttt!

Kool aka Frank Lucas. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

...and Kobe is the only player in NBA history to lead his team to back-to-back titles without a HOF teammate. The following players cannot make that same claim:

MJ - never repeated without Pippen
Bird - never won or repeated without McHale, Parish, or Dennis Johnson
Magic - never won or repeated without KAJ
KAJ -never repeated without Magic
Duncan*

*Never went back-to-back with a HOF teammate. :lol

Shaq and Gasol's careers are not even over dipshit.

[LkrFan]

Shaq and Gasol's careers are not even over dipshit.

When Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs, did you consider the then 1-time all star a HOFer?

I'm anxiously waiting for the :downspin: ...

[lefty]

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

MJ didn't need a 20/10 big - don't get it twisted. He did need defensive minded bigs: Oakley, Cartwright, Ho Grant, Worm. Then for good measure he had other less than stellar bigs like Wennington, Stacy King, Luc Longley, Will Perdue, etc. to deliver anywhere from 18-24 fouls per game on players like Shaq, Ewing, Brad Daughterty, etc. to lessen their effectiveness.

Now granted an MJ/Pippen defensive duo is probably the greatest defensive tandem in NBA history. They could guard PGs, SGs, and SFs like a mofo. That is invaluable because if you can dominate the backcourt defensively, put a shit ton of pressure on them offensively, and lessen the effectiveness of their bread and butter (centers, powerforwards) you win. PJ knew that that's why he used to sick a 21 year old Kobe on a perimeter's best player during Kobe's 1st 3peat. Couple that with MJ/Pippen's offensive ability - which could lead a Ewing into foul trouble, you have a recipe for success.

So I don't buy that crap that MJ won without bigs. He had plenty of them at his disposal on the defensive side of the ball. I already stated that MJ/Pippen were the best defensive tandem in NBA history. Then they added Worm - a player that was versatile enough to check MJ in one game and Shaq in the next. Then he could rebound like a mofo. Not looking at his numbers but I could guarantee you he doesn't average over 10ppg but he is a HOFer (finally) because of his versatilty defensively. You have 3 players that are the best at their positions and they are versatile enough to crossmatch against other players in varying positions - you know what the results were: 72-10.

So please stop with this notion that MJ didn't have help in the pivot. He did - it just was on the defensive side of the ball.

A defensive big versus a HoF and potential HoF big?

Its like the difference between Ron Artest and LBJ.

[LkrFan]

A defensive big versus a HoF and potential HoF big?

Its like the difference between Ron Artest and LBJ.

I'm glad you pointed that out:

Artest: 1
LBJ: 0

:lol

[Giuseppe]

I'm glad you pointed that out:

Artest: 1
LBJ: 0

:lol

GD rights, nail his ass to the Tree of Woe. Go on, no mercy!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs, did you consider the then 1-time all star a HOFer?

I'm anxiously waiting for the :downspin: ...

I don't really consider Pippen an HoF either. Being on a team like the Lakers and Bulls helps.

Fact is you are making assumptions on an unknown future to make your insipid point.

1993 Pippen vs 2001 Shaq?
1997 Pippen vs 2008 Gasol?

I will take the elite bigs thank you very much.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm glad you pointed that out:

Artest: 1
LBJ: 0

:lol

What point do you think that you have made?

We are talking about the second options. We are not talking about the 6th option on your current roster.

[Giuseppe]

What point do you think that you have made?

That Artest has an NBA World Title, and James doesn't.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

GD rights, nail his ass to the Tree of Woe. Go on, no mercy!

The lakerfan circle jerk does not gain you credibility amongst the general populace.

[Giuseppe]

The lakerfan circle jerk does not gain you credibility amongst the general populace.

I dance with who brung me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That Artest has an NBA World Title, and James doesn't.

So?

This effects MJ having a lesser supporting cast exactly how?

You have a defensive stopper AND the big. Thats against your position and not for it.

[LkrFan]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1856271/kobe-sucks-o.gif
lefty with the goods.

LkrFan with the ruckus for all you mutherfuckas:

ju_rG3DtBnM

The Lake Show was just immature that year. Lakers/Bulls in 1998 would have been epic - despite Del Harris.

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao calling 1996-1998 worm "defensive minded"

[LkrFan]

What point do you think that you have made?

We are talking about the second options. We are not talking about the 6th option on your current roster.

My point is defense wins championshipsPERIOD. :toast

[Giuseppe]

So?

This effects MJ having a lesser supporting cast exactly how?

You have a defensive stopper AND the big. Thats against your position and not for it.

It's just as aside during tumult. Happens all the time in these threads.

[LkrFan]

:lmao calling 1996-1998 worm "defensive minded"

Was he not a key part of MJ 3peating the second time? :wakeup

[Koolaid_Man]

Was he not a key part of MJ 3peating the second time? :wakeup


No Rodman No Ring

[Giuseppe]

I remember when Rodman was with the Spurs toward the end and he got tangled up with somebody going for a rebound and at the end of the play he started dancin' with the guy.:lol He just didn't give a shit no more.

[LkrFan]

I don't really consider Pippen an HoF either. Being on a team like the Lakers and Bulls helps.

Fact is you are making assumptions on an unknown future to make your insipid point.

1993 Pippen vs 2001 Shaq?
1997 Pippen vs 2008 Gasol?

I will take the elite bigs thank you very much.

You should be ashamed of yourself for posting the bolded part. :td

The rest of your post is debatable, but not the bolded.

[Man In Black]

5 against 1 ha...it's the twink boy circle jerk.
http://forums.lakersground.net/images/smiles/grouphug.gif
Image courtesy of lg.net HA how appropriate! :lmao

[LkrFan]

No Rodman No Ring

Exactly. Kids these days say the darnedest things.

[lefty]

lefty with the goods.

LkrFan with the ruckus for all you mutherfuckas:

ju_rG3DtBnM

The Lake Show was just immature that year. Lakers/Bulls in 1998 would have been epic - despite Del Harris.
Epic?

More like epic sweep



Oh wait, the Jazz took care of that

[LkrFan]

5 against 1 ha...it's the twink boy circle jerk.
http://forums.lakersground.net/images/smiles/grouphug.gif
Image courtesy of lg.net HA how appropriate! :lmao
Well get your hummingbird ass in here and drop some knowledge then to make it fair. :toast

[LkrFan]

Epic?

More like epic sweep



Oh wait, the Jazz took care of that

Maybe, maybe not. Some teams (1998 Jazz) just have another team's (1998 Lakers) number. The difference between the two teams? Coaching and experience. Jerry Sloan v. Del Harris. Stockton/Malone (tons of experience) v. Shaq/Kobe (about 2 years of experience together at the time).

It's cool though. Early ass whoopings is what made Kobe continue to strive to improve his game and made him what he is today. Now he's dishing out the ass whoopings. :ihit

[Koolaid_Man]

I remember when Rodman was with the Spurs toward the end and he got tangled up with somebody going for a rebound and at the end of the play he started dancin' with the guy.:lol He just didn't give a shit no more.


Rodman was dam near the fucking greatest human being ever in my eyes....best dam thing to happen to the Spurs:

icJLs4t0lLo

[LkrFan]

Rodman was dam near the fucking greatest human being ever in my eyes....best dam thing to happen to the Spurs:

icJLs4t0lLo

This is some ESPN Classic shit right here. :lmao

Man I loved Dennis as a player (pause). :lol

[Man In Black]

Well get your hummingbird ass in here and drop some knowledge then to make it fair. :toast
What's the point? You guys don't listen anyways. :lol

[LkrFan]

What's the point? You guys don't listen anyways. :lol

:lol

[LkrFan]

Anybody remember this shit? Kobe send's MJ to the tree of woe in style:

GSaKPHSEtRM

At the half Kobe had 42 points, 14/16 FGAs - 8/9 from 3pt land.

Kobe dropped a double nickle on MJ. That ruthless bastard showed no mercy on MJ. Brrrr! Kobe is one cold motherfucka!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao

[Giuseppe]

Difficult to locate film footage of Jordan in a Wizards uni. Stern has been confiscating every bit of the offending celluloid he can garner.

Good find, LF!

[midnightpulp]

Anybody remember this shit? Kobe send's MJ to the tree of woe in style:

GSaKPHSEtRM

At the half Kobe had 42 points, 14/16 FGAs - 8/9 from 3pt land.

Kobe dropped a double nickle on MJ. That ruthless bastard showed no mercy on MJ. Brrrr! Kobe is one cold motherfucka!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao

Kobe's the master of scoring big in meaningless regular season games. Too bad the Mamba has never had one notable Finals series worth mentioning, unless you count the travesty in '04 as notable, which did make the Top Ten All-time worst list.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe's the master of scoring big in meaningless regular season games. Too bad the Mamba has never had one notable Finals series worth mentioning, unless you count the travesty in '04 as notable, which did make the Top Ten All-time worst list.

Those 3 suicide drives into the front of the rim Bryant made late, Game 7 Vs the Celtics last June came in mighty handy at the time, Midget.

That's when he broke the 4-4 lock with Duncan.

tee, hee.

[midnightpulp]

Maybe, maybe not. Some teams (1998 Jazz) just have another team's (1998 Lakers) number. The difference between the two teams? Coaching and experience. Jerry Sloan v. Del Harris. Stockton/Malone (tons of experience) v. Shaq/Kobe (about 2 years of experience together at the time).

It's cool though. Early ass whoopings is what made Kobe continue to strive to improve his game and made him what he is today. Now he's dishing out the ass whoopings. :ihit

6-24 in the biggest game of his life isn't really an ass whooping. Quite the contrary.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Im going to need you to go back home and fuck your mother some more you fuck you.

[LkrFan]

Difficult to locate film footage of Jordan in a Wizards uni. Stern has been confiscating every bit of the offending celluloid he can garner.

Good find, LF!
:toast

[Giuseppe]

6-24 in the biggest game of his life isn't really an ass whooping. Quite the contrary.

So, he went down into the paint and rebounded, then when the time was ripe late in the 4th he made the refs come to him and pay tribute.

When the confetti finally flew and Bryant's wife showed up in that designer leather Laker's Jacket Duncan was holdin' the dirty end of the 5-4 stick.

[Giuseppe]

Im going to need you to go back home and fuck your mother some more you fuck you.

:rolleyes

[LkrFan]

6-24 in the biggest game of his life isn't really an ass whooping. Quite the contrary.

You conveniently left out the 15 rebs part, the fact that he played on a knee that needed draining twice just to make it through the playoffs, and he played with 9 good fingers. But it still counted for a back to back unlike you know who. :toast

[midnightpulp]

You conveniently left out the 15 rebs part. But it still counted for a back to back unlike you know who. :toast

When the Celtics and Lakers combine to miss like a 200 shots, I hope he can get 15 rebounds.

Shitty Finals performance, any way you :downspin: it

[Giuseppe]

When the Celtics and Lakers combine to miss like a 200 shots, I hope he can get 15 rebounds.

Shitty Finals performance, any way you :downspin: it

It resulted in Bryant passing Duncan.

ha, ha.

[BlackSwordsMan]

It resulted in Bryant passing Duncan.

ha, ha.

Try fucking your mother some more.

[LkrFan]

Kobe's the master of scoring big in meaningless regular season games. Too bad the Mamba has never had one notable Finals series worth mentioning, unless you count the travesty in '04 as notable, which did make the Top Ten All-time worst list.

I seem to remember him winning 5 Finals. That's notable enough for me. :lol

[Giuseppe]

Try fucking your mother some more.

:rolleyes

[DMC]

Dennis was one of them motherfuckers other players didn't even look at, didn't want to touch at all. He would hang all over them and you could see it in their faces, they hated it. They were distracted (maybe the wedding dress?)

He was a physical player, but physical players were welcomed then. It wasn't a big deal to clothesline someone on the fast break. No one went into the stands and tried to kill a fan.

[LkrFan]

When the Celtics and Lakers combine to miss like a 200 shots, I hope he can get 15 rebounds.

Shitty Finals performance, any way you :downspin: it

Hey, I do :downspin: around here dammnit!! :lol

[midnightpulp]

Hey, I do :downspin: around here dammnit!! :lol

I know. I did it to mock you and your retarded posting style.

[LkrFan]

I know. I did it to mock you and your retarded posting style.

:lol

[midnightpulp]

:lol

That said, you still cool in my book. Even if you are a shameless homer.

[LkrFan]

That said, you still cool in my book. Even if you are a shameless homer.

Don't worry about me being a shameless homer. Worry about the Spurs pulling a 2007 Mavs. If the standings hold, you guys got the Grizzlies in the 1st round. 2-2 in the regular season matchup with them averaging 110 ppg on you guys in the last two. Good luck with that. :lol

[Man In Black]

Don't worry about me being a shameless homer. Worry about the Spurs pulling a 2007 Mavs. If the standings hold, you guys got the Grizzlies in the 1st round. 2-2 in the regular season matchup with them averaging 110 ppg on you guys in the last two. Good luck with that. :lol

What's funny is that you add the line:If the standings hold...knowing full well that the Grizzlies could move up a seed or 2 just as easily as they stay at #8 and what's delightful is that you guys have to play your asses off with no rest just to ensure a no worse than #3 seed :lmao

I also point out that it's intellectually dishonest of you to spout off that opinion whist neglecting the fact that Duncan didn't play game 4 and that Ginobilil got hurt in the 1st quarter of that same game.

I don't blame you really. I blame the fuckin' 4 letter and their practice of SELECTIVE MUTISM. They're the same group who says that when the Spurs lost 6 games in a row(with Duncan missing 5 of those games) that the Spurs have way too many flaws, yet at the same time while the LAL is on a CURRENT 4 game losing streak, they say that the LAL has shown enough playoff mettle despite these minor setbacks. No wonder you guys sometimes come off as stupid.

[Budkin]

But, until Pippen arrived MJ couldn't ring, and never rang without him.

Bryant had no problem ringin' sans Daddy, not only once, but, Back-2-Back, sans Daddy.

Only after being given Pau Gasol. Before that see 2005, 2006, 2007...

And also, Pippen came into the league only 3 years after MJ. It's not like Michael had some string of failures before that.

[ElNono]

If MJ played with Shaq, PJ would have made him a 2nd option too. And way to bring up those numbers. How old was Kobe - 21 while posting those numbers? :lol What about the 2nd title and the 3rd? Was he still at 21 ppg? :lol

MJ had the refs in his backpocketPERIOD. There is NOTHING that MJ did that Kobe wouldn't have been able to do if Kobe were on those Bulls teams. MJ was before his time, playing against only about 3 players that could be considered his athletic equal or in the same stratosphere: Dumars, Drexler, Dominique. That's it. Kobe would have broke Craig Ehlo off for 69 points or Bird (who was guarding MJ anyway - Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge? :lol) for 63 points, and he wouldn't have had to push off on Bryon Russell. :lol

MJ's legend grows by the day. Truth be told, Pippen guarded the opposition's best perimeter player probably 85-90% of the time which allowed MJ to do his thang offensively. Kobe didn't have that luxury until either Ariza emerged and then they brought in Artest. Otherwise, Kobe had to shut down his man and give LA 35 - especially post Shaq and pre-Gasol.

Oh, and MJ would NOT have won more than 3 rings without Worm signing with them. Hell, he lucky Shaq bolted Orlando when he did. In 1994 they just finished off MJ's Bulls - prompting him to sign a bitter enemy just to have the chance to compete (Worm). Shaq, Penny, D Scott, Horace Grant :lol, Nick Anderson, etc., were young, but getting ready to push MJ's shit in until Shaq went to LA. I think deep down you know this.

I'm anxiously awaiting the day when Kobe get's #7. It's gonna happen and when it does, there will be a lot of :downspin: going on with the mediots and haters. It's gone be fun. If true greatness is measured by rangs, then you have to conclude that Kobe > MJ. Kind of gives you a sickening feeling huh? :lol

:toast


MJ didn't need a 20/10 big - don't get it twisted. He did need defensive minded bigs: Oakley, Cartwright, Ho Grant, Worm. Then for good measure he had other less than stellar bigs like Wennington, Stacy King, Luc Longley, Will Perdue, etc. to deliver anywhere from 18-24 fouls per game on players like Shaq, Ewing, Brad Daughterty, etc. to lessen their effectiveness.

Now granted an MJ/Pippen defensive duo is probably the greatest defensive tandem in NBA history. They could guard PGs, SGs, and SFs like a mofo. That is invaluable because if you can dominate the backcourt defensively, put a shit ton of pressure on them offensively, and lessen the effectiveness of their bread and butter (centers, powerforwards) you win. PJ knew that that's why he used to sick a 21 year old Kobe on a perimeter's best player during Kobe's 1st 3peat. Couple that with MJ/Pippen's offensive ability - which could lead a Ewing into foul trouble, you have a recipe for success.

So I don't buy that crap that MJ won without bigs. He had plenty of them at his disposal on the defensive side of the ball. I already stated that MJ/Pippen were the best defensive tandem in NBA history. Then they added Worm - a player that was versatile enough to check MJ in one game and Shaq in the next. Then he could rebound like a mofo. Not looking at his numbers but I could guarantee you he doesn't average over 10ppg but he is a HOFer (finally) because of his versatilty defensively. You have 3 players that are the best at their positions and they are versatile enough to crossmatch against other players in varying positions - you know what the results were: 72-10.

So please stop with this notion that MJ didn't have help in the pivot. He did - it just was on the defensive side of the ball.

Now this is what I call an incredibly long tirade to try to justify the unjustifiable. :lol

It's real easy: MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bean. It's not even close at all.

[LkrFan]

What's funny is that you add the line:If the standings hold...knowing full well that the Grizzlies could move up a seed or 2 just as easily as they stay at #8 and what's delightful is that you guys have to play your asses off with no rest just to ensure a no worse than #3 seed :lmao
Just ribbing Spurs fans tbh. Truth be told, do you really think the Lakers care whether they play the Grizzlies, Blazers or Hornets? Lakers will win it all whether they are 1st seed or even 3rd (yes I'm confident).

I also point out that it's intellectually dishonest of you to spout off that opinion whist neglecting the fact that Duncan didn't play game 4 and that Ginobilil got hurt in the 1st quarter of that same game.
Did the Lakers make an excuse for Bynum missing the first 24 games?

I don't blame you really. I blame the fuckin' 4 letter and their practice of SELECTIVE MUTISM. They're the same group who says that when the Spurs lost 6 games in a row(with Duncan missing 5 of those games) that the Spurs have way too many flaws, yet at the same time while the LAL is on a CURRENT 4 game losing streak, they say that the LAL has shown enough playoff mettle despite these minor setbacks. No wonder you guys you
Injuries are part of the game. All teams are banged up this part of the year. Quit making excusesPERIOD.

[LkrFan]

Now this is what I call an incredibly long tirade to try to justify the unjustifiable. :lol

It's real easy: MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bean. It's not even close at all.

When Kobe wins 7 rings, does your above statement still ring true? Let's be honest here, he has a damn good shot at 7 or 8 rings.

[Giuseppe]

Only after being given Pau Gasol. Before that see 2005, 2006, 2007...

And also, Pippen came into the league only 3 years after MJ. It's not like Michael had some string of failures before that.

Gasol is one who was a total playoff failure till Kobe took him in. Kobe had already rang without Gasol three times. Kobe then rang without Daddy twice. Kobe is the constant, as is Pippen. Jordan couldn't ring until Pippen showed up, be it 3 years, or not, Jordan never rang without him.

These are indisputable facts.

[Riddler]

Gasol is one who was a total playoff failure till Kobe took him in. Kobe had already rang without Gasol three times. Kobe then rang without Daddy twice. Kobe is the constant, as is Pippen. Jordan couldn't ring until Pippen showed up, be it 3 years, or not, Jordan never rang without him.

These are indisputable facts.

Kobe rang without Shaq because of Bynum AND Gasol. So he was not the constant, Bynum was, as was Shaq. Without Bynum, Kobe doesn't rang in 08, tee hee, or the years that followed. Kobe was consistently leading his team to first round exits/not even making the playoffs:lmao

[ElNono]

When Kobe wins 7 rings, does your above statement still ring true? Let's be honest here, he has a damn good shot at 7 or 8 rings.

Kome won't win 7... and it's irrelevant... Horry coattailed to 7 too, and nobody in their right mind thinks he's better than GOAT MJ...

[LkrFan]

Kome won't win 7... and it's irrelevant... Horry coattailed to 7 too, and nobody in their right mind thinks he's better than GOAT MJ...

Nice :downspin:. Well played son. :toast

[Giuseppe]

Kobe rang without Shaq because of Bynum AND Gasol. So he was not the constant, Bynum was, as was Shaq. Without Bynum, Kobe doesn't rang in 08, tee hee, or the years that followed. Kobe was consistently leading his team to first round exits/not even making the playoffs:lmao

But, Gasol couldn't ring until Kobe took him in.

Kobe is the constant.

[TampaDude]

When Kobe wins 7 rings, does your above statement still ring true? Let's be honest here, he has a damn good shot at 7 or 8 rings.

Honestly, this is probably Kobe's last good shot at another ring. The rest of the West is improving too much for the Lakers to keep winning titles after this year. It's now or never for Kobe.

[Giuseppe]

Kome won't win 7... and it's irrelevant... Horry coattailed to 7 too, and nobody in their right mind thinks he's better than GOAT MJ...

No, he isn't right now. But, Jordan is locked at 6. Kobe is but 32. He has many years ahead of him. And I can tell you right now:::he's not "married" to the Lakers in the true sense that say your Duncan is "married" to the Spurs.

Bryant is a cold blooded borderline sociopath who will do whatever it takes to climb over Jordan's inert body at 6.

[ElNono]

No, he isn't right now. But, Jordan is locked at 6. Kobe is but 32. He has many years ahead of him. And I can tell you right now:::he's not "married" to the Lakers in the true sense that say your Duncan is "married" to the Spurs.

Bryant is a cold blooded borderline sociopath who will do whatever it takes to climb over Jordan's inert body at 6.

I'll take your word for it. Takes one to know one, tbh... :lol