View Full Version : How Many Titles Would a Prime Kobe and Duncan Have Won Together
Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 09:46 AM
I say close to 10 only because Shaq had a piss poor work ethic....Duncan would have deferred to Kobe because that's his personality...But Kobe and Duncan would have ruled the league...
I don't think KG and Kobe would have won as much because KG wouldn't have deferred to Kobe in his prime the way Duncan would have...
There you have it Spur fan I said something nice about Timmy...:lol
Isitjustme?
04-09-2011, 09:49 AM
For once I agree with you. Duncan would have enough magnanimity to allow Kobe to think he was the better player and alpha dog, and Bryant would have been stupid enough to believe those things were true...
Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 09:54 AM
For once I agree with you. Duncan would have enough magnanimity to allow Kobe to think he was the better player and alpha dog, and Bryant would have been stupid enough to believe those things were true...
Kobe would have turned Duncan into the real best big man of all time...Duncan would be remembered on the same level as Kobe had he played with Kobe...
For all his scoring and being #6 All-time I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that Kobe is also #50 All-time on the assists list which is incredible since he's branded as a selfish guy that didn't pass...Kobe feeding Duncan would have been fun to watch....
LkrFan
04-09-2011, 10:17 AM
TD would have finally gone back to back, tbh. :lol
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 10:18 AM
TD would have finally gone back to back, tbh. :lol
Kickin' & screamin' the entire way.:lol
Isitjustme?
04-09-2011, 10:19 AM
TD would have finally gone back to back, tbh. :lol
What percent of your posts contain the lol emoticon? I have it pegged around 96%.
Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 10:21 AM
TD would have finally gone back to back, tbh. :lol
gotdamit LKrfan...thanks for bringing that out...:lmao
Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 10:54 AM
I totally disagree. Duncan is one of the those self righteous motherfuckers that would have let all of Kobe's pussy smashing affect his play, much like Rodman's did Robinson's. KG don't give a fuck, and he also was never a franchise player. Look how easy he made the transition to being the third wheel on Boston.
Not to mention, Duncan is already broke down and doesn't have longevity. Imagine if Duncan had someone like Kobe pushing him, he'd already be retired. KG would have been able to withstand the constant pressure Kobe puts on his teammates. Kool, you my brotha, and I know you mean well with this thread, but you must be out of your fucking mind if you think Kobe would have put up with Duncan's "on this year, off next year attitude." I just don't see it...imho.
nope I'm straight...here's the way I see it...Duncan was clearly influenced by Reverend Robinson...Duncan's personality could have went either way...when he found out he'd be playing in SA he just resigned himself to that SA lifestyle...I think Duncan is the way he is now because he didn't have someone like Kobe pushing him...but then again it could be that he just wore down because of his body type..I don't know...but I do know that he took the game way more serious than Shaq..and I think Kobe would have appreciated that...
do you remember the early KG years with a ball dominant Marbury...it didn't work out too well...K.G wanted to be the man...He and Kobe had more of an opportunity to clash than Duncan and Kobe...Kobe respects both but I think he and Duncan would have gotten along much better personality wise...and that has nothing to do with basketball...they're probably much more like each other off the court...cept Kobe won't do the tongue ring thing..Remember KG was going into the Boston situation playing with 2 other Allstars so it's easier to make such a transition...
Now KG has proved to be more of an Athlete and more longevity but I think the Kobe / Duncan combo would have won more than Kobe / KG because of the aforementioned. and for the record I think KG wins those titles if he's put in SA as well...He just happened to go to Minny....
Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 11:21 AM
The Kobe/Marbury comparisons are off. Marbury was a loser, Kobe is a winner. Duncan is fragile, trust me. I'm not saying they wouldn't have had success, but KG would have been a better fit. Duncan has been on the only player of the Kobe era that has consistently had championship talent around him, and yet he could never muster up a back2back. This matters... it's what separates Magic from Bird... Hakeem from Robinson. KG would have been the business in LA. I wish we had traded Shaq for him.
Hey Listen I'm on record as saying that KG is the man and that I was hurt LA didn't get him when we had a chance...but I will say this...Kobe and Duncan both benefited from going to organizations with good coaches and Veteran players...Duncan had it easier than Kobe because he went into a situation with good mentors whereas Kobe went into LA, fighting for playing time behind Eddie Jones and Van Excel and in a volatile and unstable situation because of Shaq's jealousy and hatred...
Back in the day Marbury was the shit...he was no Kobe but he was real coming outta NYC...I respected his game...
I don't know the specifics of the contract situations but from what a then real young Kool remembers...KG was like one of the first players to receive over a one hundred million dollar contract...He wanted all the money and he suffered with a lack of talent for years because of it...we used to talk about this on the basketball playgrounds all the time...he was in a small Market and he wanted his paper over winning I beleive this...Now had he been in LA a bigger market there would have been more money to give him and go around for better teammates...but KG wanted all the money in that small market so he has to take a lion's share of the blame for not being surrounded by Championship teammates...
But I agree with the back-2-back thing...it means everything...
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 11:29 AM
:lmao @ people calling Duncan "fragile"
Anyone who saw Duncan in his prime couldn't say that with a straight face.
dunkman
04-09-2011, 11:30 AM
Kobe's somewhat overrated. He often settles for 25 points per 30 shots performances, while Bynum/Gasol/Odom get him +10 rpg differences out of Kobe's missed shots and 50 points per 30 shots combined. More than Kobe, that's the reason why many teams lose to the Lakers.
Kobe can be forced to a bad game, Shaq or Duncan were truly dominant players in their primes. While Kobe sometimes shots great, that doesn't happen often in the playoffs or the finals.
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 11:34 AM
Shaq or Duncan were truly dominant players in their primes. While Kobe sometimes shots great, that doesn't happen often in the playoffs or the finals.
Though without Shaq Kobe has rung twice.
And of course Kobe leads Duncan 5-4.
It's all about the rings. There is nothing else.
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 11:39 AM
Though without Shaq Kobe has rung twice.
And of course Kobe leads Duncan 5-4.
It's all about the rings. There is nothing else.
Good point. The Basketball HOF should immediately remove everyone who never won a championship, and not allow any ringless players in, regardless of their individual accomplishments in the sport.
It would have been cool to watch Joey Crawford be forced to swallow his pride and give Duncan the benefit of the calls bestowed on all Lakers not named Luke Walton.
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 11:42 AM
Good point. The Basketball HOF should immediately remove everyone who never won a championship, and not allow any ringless players in, regardless of their individual accomplishments in the sport.
I don't do HOF. It's my religion.
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 11:44 AM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lej7n3dgEO1qb3u6ko1_500.gif
I wonder if that movie studio had the foresight to secure those panties after the shoot? I'd like to steep a cup of hot water in the gusset for my morning tea & crumpets.
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 11:44 AM
I don't do HOF. It's my religion.
You're a fucking retard.
dunkman
04-09-2011, 11:46 AM
Though without Shaq Kobe has rung twice.
And of course Kobe leads Duncan 5-4.
It's all about the rings. There is nothing else.
Don't worry, Duncan will have 5 too this season. And while Kobe has 5, he wasn't the main reason why the Lakers got those 5 rings.
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 11:47 AM
You're a fucking retard.
At least I don't sit on a 14-incher like you probably do.
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 11:48 AM
Don't worry, Duncan will have 5 too this season. And while Kobe has 5, he wasn't the main reason why the Lakers got those 5 rings.
Well, when he does we'll talk about it. Until then, he's shinin' Kobe's shoes.
Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 11:53 AM
Until then, Duncan's shinin' Kobe's shoes.
I may add this to my sig.....:lol
I wonder if that movie studio had the foresight to secure those panties after the shoot? I'd like to steep a cup of hot water in the gusset for my morning tea & crumpets.
http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/190/590/544/xobx.jpg
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 12:05 PM
At least I don't sit on a 14-incher like you probably do.
Dude...how old are you? 11? :lol
ElNono
04-09-2011, 12:08 PM
Impossible...
:cry :cry :cry Duncan is too classy to play for the Fakeshow :cry :cry :cry
:cry :cry :cry Kobe is not classy enough to play for the Spurs :cry :cry :cry
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 12:18 PM
Dude...how old are you? 11? :lol
I wish.
1. Duncan would not have played with Kobe.
2. Kobe would not have stayed with a team that was struggling enough to get a 1st overall pick.
If Kobe cannot win with Shaq, Malone, Payton and an assortment of role players, he's not the other side of the dynasty coin.
4 HOFers cannot beat the Pistons, a team the Spurs beat the following year, that says enough.
Roger Freemason Jr.
04-09-2011, 02:43 PM
I totally disagree. Duncan is one of the those self righteous motherfuckers that would have let all of Kobe's pussy smashing affect his play, much like Rodman's did Robinson's. KG don't give a fuck, and he also was never a franchise player. Look how easy he made the transition to being the third wheel on Boston.
Not to mention, Duncan is already broke down and doesn't have longevity. Imagine if Duncan had someone like Kobe pushing him, he'd already be retired. KG would have been able to withstand the constant pressure Kobe puts on his teammates. Kool, you my brotha, and I know you mean well with this thread, but you must be out of your fucking mind if you think Kobe would have put up with Duncan's "on this year, off next year attitude." I just don't see it...imho.
Wow, you just expressed your complete lack of knowledge of basketball, but it's not like you don't do that with every post. Garnett is one of the best big men to play the game, but he doesn't hold a candle to Duncan. Duncan didn't have to be surrounded by all stars like Pierce, & Allen to win championships. He won with different rosters, that may or may not have been better than the last championship roster.
If you don't think Kobe would be stoked to play along TD, you're fucking high off of opium. TD plays unselfish, fundamental basketball. You should stick to the Naruto hentai forums, where you reign supreme, because here, nobody respects you, or takes you seriously. You're a joke.
Roger Freemason Jr.
04-09-2011, 02:45 PM
& I never thought I'd say this, but when we put you and Kool in a juxtaposition, Kool actually starts to seem like an okay guy/troll.
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 02:50 PM
Your mother would probably put a 14 incher into a juxtaposition.
4>0rings
04-09-2011, 03:39 PM
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Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 03:40 PM
& I never thought I'd say this, but when we put you and Kool in a juxtaposition, Kool actually starts to seem like an okay guy/troll.
nothing wrong with the big homie's opinion...I think KG in SA wins those titles as well....In fact KG has proven that he's much more duruable than TD...so a case can easily be made for KG...KG and Kobe today are still winning titles...whereas Kobe and Duncan would not be...My point was that Kobe "could" have won more in his "prime" with Duncan vs KG...but it could go either way in their primes...
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 03:50 PM
If KG was Laker instead of Shaq, Duncan would be ringless. Think about it, KG truly has a hate for Duncan that was simmering from day one. This is why he slapped him upside his fucking head for no reason at all. Most of you tend to think Kobe likes Duncan, but there is a reason Kobe has played his best ball against San Antonio. And whenever he gets the chance to grab his nuts in Duncan's house, he does it.
You're not selling this "Duncan is the greatest PF of all time" shit to me. I got KG, Chuck and Malone ahead of him. Duncan shit the bed in Europe for the country. No gold medals for that stiff. No back to backs, even though he always had a contender team. Hell, Duncan has never even made it back to the finals to try and defend his title. I'm not letting him off the hood for such great shortcomings.
Wow...you truly are a fucking retard. :lol
Isitjustme?
04-09-2011, 03:51 PM
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You're gonna single handedly wear that out by the end of the day, if not sooner...
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 03:51 PM
Kobe to Shaq during the '03 playoffs after Duncan stuffs one of Shaqs monkey slams... "Slam his bitch ass through the rim."
Yeah...how did that turn out, again? :lmao
Koolaid_Man
04-09-2011, 03:59 PM
If KG was Laker instead of Shaq, Duncan would be ringless. Think about it, KG truly has a hate for Duncan that was simmering from day one. This is why he slapped him upside his fucking head for no reason at all. Most of you tend to think Kobe likes Duncan, but there is a reason Kobe has played his best ball against San Antonio. And whenever he gets the chance to grab his nuts in Duncan's house, he does it.
You're not selling this "Duncan is the greatest PF of all time" shit to me. I got KG, Chuck and Malone ahead of him. Duncan shit the bed in Europe for the country. No gold medals for that stiff. No back to backs, even though he always had a contender team. Hell, Duncan has never even made it back to the finals to try and defend his title. I'm not letting him off the hood for such great shortcomings.
Kobe to Shaq during the '03 playoffs after Duncan stuffs one of Shaqs monkey slams... "Slam his bitch ass through the rim."
I think Malone is the greatest PF in History and if you slide Hakeem in the PF spot then it's Hakeem...but you make some good points...I'm not making a case for Timmy being the greatest nothing...however he is the greatest Spur....that's it....KG is my guy...I love his energy, tenacity, and toughness...Duncan is an Olympic failure but I wouldn't look to much into the on court comments cuz Kobe be in the heat of battles he is a known shit talker...
If I had to guess Kobe would take KG as his running mate because they both came out of high school (KG 1 yr earlier) and KG gave Kobe good advice...they have a much closer relationship than Kobe and TD...so maybe I was wrong about how they would've played together...
Right now KG has his Boston swag but you if you watch closely when they play you can still see he respects Kobe on the court...
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 04:02 PM
Duncan owned Shaq in that series. It was at that point that I lost what little respect I had for him. Honestly, Duncan had a better career than Shaq if you ask me.
Holy shit...I can't believe you actually said that...the world must be coming to an end. :lol
TampaDude
04-09-2011, 04:16 PM
I've never understood the KG hate from this board. The guy was a beast for most of his career, and never tore down his teammates like Shaq did. Sure, he punched a nigga in the eye in practice, and made Big Baby cry during a time out, but that's what I respect about the guy. He's willing to put his ass on the line for the franchise.
Funny thing is, I actually like KG...weird, huh? :lol
Bill_Brasky
04-09-2011, 04:30 PM
You can say KG > Duncan all you want, but it will never be true and everyone knows it.
SpurOutofTownFan
04-09-2011, 04:48 PM
kobe would have turned duncan into the real best big man of all time...duncan would be remembered on the same level as kobe had he played with kobe...
lol
If it wasnt for his back injury, and always being a one-man team...Tmac wouldve shitted all over Kobe. Put Kobe on those Orlando teams and theyre lottery bound every single year just like the post-Shaq pre-Gasol years. Kobe is arguably the most overrated player of all-time.
Giuseppe
04-09-2011, 05:30 PM
If, and, wouldve
:lmao
Bill_Brasky
04-09-2011, 05:32 PM
Look, missy, I'm not trying to take anything away from Duncan. I'm only trying to put things into perspective. KG was the better all around player, which is why he's still effective in his late years, whereas Duncan looks done! Duncan has had the better career by far, but I give the nod to KG on the skills set.
Whatever helps ya sleep at night, bud.
Yeah, he only needed guys like Parker, Manu, and Robinson... all HOF'ers.
Sure, 2nd year Parker, rookie Manu and almost 38 year old Robinson with a bad back in his last year.
03 Playoffs
Parker 14.7 pts 3.5 asst 40.3%FG
Manu 9.4 pts 2.9 asst 38.6%FG
Robinson 7.8 pts 6.6 reb 54.2%FG
Duncan 24.7 pts 15.4 rebs 5.3 asst 52.9%FG
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