I've noticed a lot of you guys don't like RJ

[Nathan89]

Last year we were all upset with the play of RJ. The expectations were so high and he didn't even come close to delivering. Many people thought the biggest problem with Rj was his inability to hit the open 3pt shot.

Now we are here at the end of Rj's second year as a Spur and he has shot a shockingly high 44% from the 3pt line. It seems like someone who shoots 44% from three would have won the respect of Spurs fans on this board but it hasn't.
In fact at this moment there is a thread called "players you would rather have over RJ". If you look though the thread you will get some Star players(who should not be compared to Rj), shooting-guards(which also should not be compared to him), some smart ass comments (like "bag of rocks") and at last some comparable players which in many cases shoot less than 35% 3pt.

How could so many of you want players over Rj that shoot the three ball way worse than him? I thought the 3pt shot at the small-forward position was vital for this team to succeed.

Why do so many of you guys still dislike Rj?

[Pauleta14]

It's linked to his salary essentialy...

Everybody would be happy and love RJ if he was paid 5M-6M max.

The worst part being the fact that he has an untradable 4 years deal and that he won't get better aging...

[lil'mo]

because of what he did the first couple of months of the season, he's regressed so much from that time that now he's 1st year rj all over again

[Pauleta14]

because of what he did the first couple of months of the season, he's regressed so much from that time that now he's 1st year rj all over again

wow, even Bulls fans hate RJ... :lol

[lil'mo]

i hate him for you guys

[pgardn]

I dont like people with tiny ears.

Can they hear, do you have to sign... ? So many decisions...

[lil'mo]

and he looks like he has alopecia and he is gayish

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

Impression has a way of blinding people to facts.


If fans believe that RJ sucks, then they'll continue to believe that he sucks regardless of what his FG conversion%, accuracy or performance might say otherwise.

[ShoogarBear]

1. RJ has definitely stepped up from last year. Props for that.

2. RJ hasn't completely quashed his tendencies towards passive play on offense and lazy lapses on defense. When the Big 3 went down, he should have been the one to step up in the Portland game. Instead he curled up into fetal position and it was left to the 9-12 guys on the bench to show leadership and hustle.

[DMC]

Last year we were all upset with the play of RJ. The expectations were so high and he didn't even come close to delivering. Many people thought the biggest problem with Rj was his inability to hit the open 3pt shot.

Now we are here at the end of Rj's second year as a Spur and he has shot a shockingly high 44% from the 3pt line. It seems like someone who shoots 44% from three would have won the respect of Spurs fans on this board but it hasn't.
In fact at this moment there is a thread called "players you would rather have over RJ". If you look though the thread you will get some Star players(who should not be compared to Rj), shooting-guards(which also should not be compared to him), some smart ass comments (like "bag of rocks") and at last some comparable players which in many cases shoot less than 35% 3pt.

How could so many of you want players over Rj that shoot the three ball way worse than him? I thought the 3pt shot at the small-forward position was vital for this team to succeed.

Why do so many of you guys still dislike Rj?
Because 95% of the time he's a matte finished turd. 5% of the time he's a glossy turd. I hate turds.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

RJ kind of has a bad rap because he's 4th fiddle on this team.......and how many teams have 4 fiddle players?







Question.

:cooldevil

[ShoogarBear]

How many fiddle players rap to begin with?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

How many fiddle players rap to begin with?

Touche....touche.

[Stand]

2. RJ hasn't completely quashed his tendencies towards passive play on offense and lazy lapses on defense. When the Big 3 went down, he should have been the one to step up in the Portland game. Instead he curled up into fetal position and it was left to the 9-12 guys on the bench to show leadership and hustle.

This.

[ducks]

a player that is paid like him
should give me 5-7 rebounds 10-15 points a night
and do not pass up shots be aggressive

[Interrohater]

On tonight's broadcast: "...and RJ gets Favors from behind.."

[Danny.Zhu]

RJ's ppg

2009 - 2010 12.3
2010 - 2011 11

RJ's rpg

2009 - 1010 4.4
2010 - 2011 3.9

[Chomag]

I like him when he gives effort, but thats usualy not the case so I admit I'm not usualy on his side lol

[Doctor J]

RJ kind of has a bad rap because he's 4th fiddle on this team.......and how many teams have 4 fiddle players


I don't think he's 4th fiddle on this team.

He's 6th behind Big 3, Hill and Neal.

[Doctor J]

a player that is paid like him
should give me 5-7 rebounds 10-15 points a night
and do not pass up shots be aggressive

This. :toast

[jag]

because of what he did the first couple of months of the season, he's regressed so much from that time that now he's 1st year rj all over again

wow you don't know shit

[DirkISaCocLuvinPuSSy]

I'd like him if him and Neal switched checks

[Mugen]

i'm an RJ fan. He made a huge effort to rework his game in the offseason to fit this team. He's shooting much better from the 3 and playing much better defense.

But like Hill, he falls into lapses where he just constantly defers to the Big 3 and isn't aggressive enough to benefit the team.

It also doesn't help that he's replacing Bruce Bowen, one of the best defenders of all time. Still, I have faith in RJ that he'll come up big during the playoffs.

[DMC]

RJ kind of has a bad rap because he's 4th fiddle on this team.......and how many teams have 4 fiddle players?







Question.

:cooldevil

Well, if he wants to play in Texas... gotta have a fiddle in the band.

[DMC]

On tonight's broadcast: "...and RJ gets Favors from behind.."

I caught that.

Imagine if his name was Dick Favors.

[jag]

i'm an RJ fan. He made a huge effort to rework his game in the offseason to fit this team. He's shooting much better from the 3 and playing much better defense.

But like Hill, he falls into lapses where he just constantly defers to the Big 3 and isn't aggressive enough to benefit the team.

It also doesn't help that he's replacing Bruce Bowen, one of the best defenders of all time. Still, I have faith in RJ that he'll come up big during the playoffs.

Exactly. He's the fourth option. And he realized that the best way to help the big 3 is to spread the floor. The chemistry and spacing he provides won't show up in the box score, but it's worlds apart from last year.

[howbouthemspurs]

IF he does great in the playoffs, (which i think he will) yall will be licking his nuts! the spurs are winning and thats all that matters dumbasses!

[spursbird]

He needs to be more aggressive and drive more. Or he'll be the next Finley.

[Knoxxx]

He needs to be more aggressive and drive more. Or he'll be the next Finley.

Nailed it. I want RJ to take it to the rack more. Just sitting out there chucking up 3s and routinely scoring 5 points per game aint cuttin it.

[Cessation]

Jefferson played well first half of season, then he coasted the rest. At least, he's playing better latelly, in last 9 games: 52 fg% and 58% 3pt%, 11 ppg.

[DMC]

IF he does great in the playoffs, (which i think he will) yall will be licking his nuts! the spurs are winning and thats all that matters dumbasses!

RJ could win Finals MVP and I would still think he's a turd. Why? Because he's been a pseudo superstar for years, and he's been playing below his ability since he arrived. Blame it on whatever.

For his contract, he should be doing what other players on the Spurs roster were doing when they were making that much. Hell, even Hill can attack the rim and be aggressive. RJ isn't a 2nd or 3rd year player. With his athletic ability and experience, he should be destroying his defender, especially since he's a 4th option and never has the other team's best defender on him.

He used to attack the offensive glass and get put back dunks. When's the last time he's done that? Bonner has had offensive put back dunks since RJ has.

[howbouthemspurs]

RJ could win Finals MVP and I would still think he's a turd. Why? Because he's been a pseudo superstar for years, and he's been playing below his ability since he arrived. Blame it on whatever.

For his contract, he should be doing what other players on the Spurs roster were doing when they were making that much. Hell, even Hill can attack the rim and be aggressive. RJ isn't a 2nd or 3rd year player. With his athletic ability and experience, he should be destroying his defender, especially since he's a 4th option and never has the other team's best defender on him.

He used to attack the offensive glass and get put back dunks. When's the last time he's done that? Bonner has had offensive put back dunks since RJ has.


The spurs system does not allow him to score 18 to 20 pts a game like he was able to do for the Nets where he was the go to guy. And yes his contract may be a little high but blame you cant blame him for that. He is doing exactly what he is supposed to do in Pops eyes. the spurs have 61 wins! Would have 66 wins right now if Tim, Tony, and Manu didnt get hurt during that losing stretch. RJ is ok in my book.

[ElNono]

Too inconsistent... that's the major issue with RJ... he can easily get lost in a sea of irrelevancy...

[Waps1980]

I have noticed RJ has been getting the ball on his cuts of late, TD especially has been using him, this has been working well and I think Pop is pushing this for the playoffs as its a play we haven't been using all season.

I don't know how many times that TP and RJ run the break together with RJ in a great spot to receive the pass but the exact time Tony needs to drop the pass off he pushes in with 2 defenders in front of him for a no score most of the time, with 1 defender in front TP is money but not 2.
Its like he doesn't even see RJ cos he is along side of him out wide to drive in with a better angle on the defenders. A pass first point Guard would find RJ every time, that would be 2-3+ times a game at least.

See Neal give him the alley today, that play should happen more when RJ follows. TP would just dribble that ball back out and setup the half court offense. Screw that Put it up for the big finish.

[duncan228]

...After Saturday, Jefferson has tried a career-high 300 3-pointers this season, making a career-best 133.

That’s good for a 44.3-percent clip Jefferson never could have predicted in his greediest imagination.

“I can’t even try and be cool and say I knew I could do this,” Jefferson said.

Jefferson triggers Spurs’ victory over Jazz (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/04/09/jefferson-triggers-spurs%e2%80%99-victory-over-jazz/)
Jeff McDonald

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/04/09/jefferson-triggers-spurs%e2%80%99-victory-over-jazz/

[DMC]

I have noticed RJ has been getting the ball on his cuts of late, TD especially has been using him, this has been working well and I think Pop is pushing this for the playoffs as its a play we haven't been using all season.

I don't know how many times that TP and RJ run the break together with RJ in a great spot to receive the pass but the exact time Tony needs to drop the pass off he pushes in with 2 defenders in front of him for a no score most of the time, with 1 defender in front TP is money but not 2.
Its like he doesn't even see RJ cos he is along side of him out wide to drive in with a better angle on the defenders. A pass first point Guard would find RJ every time, that would be 2-3+ times a game at least.

See Neal give him the alley today, that play should happen more when RJ follows. TP would just dribble that ball back out and setup the half court offense. Screw that Put it up for the big finish.

If TP was a pass first PG, he wouldn't draw double coverage and RJ wouldn't be open. RJ isn't Amar'e, and there's only one Nash.

[DMC]

The spurs system does not allow him to score 18 to 20 pts a game like he was able to do for the Nets where he was the go to guy. And yes his contract may be a little high but blame you cant blame him for that. He is doing exactly what he is supposed to do in Pops eyes. the spurs have 61 wins! Would have 66 wins right now if Tim, Tony, and Manu didnt get hurt during that losing stretch. RJ is ok in my book.

He's not doing what he's supposed to be doing. If he were, Tim wouldn't say "we expect more from him in the playoffs".

No team pays a guy that much and doesn't expect him to share the burden at, at least, one end of the floor. RJ defers to the bench to score when the big 3 are out or struggling. RJ's last 20pt game was in November.

Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

[Emeyin]

2. RJ hasn't completely quashed his tendencies towards passive play on offense and lazy lapses on defense. When the Big 3 went down, he should have been the one to step up in the Portland game. Instead he curled up into fetal position and it was left to the 9-12 guys on the bench to show leadership and hustle.


This for me.

[sliver]

I have noticed RJ has been getting the ball on his cuts of late, TD especially has been using him, this has been working well and I think Pop is pushing this for the playoffs as its a play we haven't been using all season.

A pass first point Guard would find RJ every time, that would be 2-3+ times a game at least.

See Neal give him the alley today, that play should happen more when RJ follows. TP would just dribble that ball back out and setup the half court offense. Screw that Put it up for the big finish.

This. TP always chooses to go at the rim instead of passing, even if it's against 2-3 defenders.

[024]

i honestly forget sometimes that he's even on the team. that's how passive he's been all year, with the exception of a pretty decent start.

[sliver]

Why would he force his numbers if team is successful? He does what is asked of him.

[Kuestmaster]

I agree that a lot of the hating comes because he doesn't have the contract of a 5th option.
You all know Hill is the 4th option in this team, he is scoring more, assisting more and shooting more per game than RJ

[steeledl]

Last year we were all upset with the play of RJ. The expectations were so high and he didn't even come close to delivering. Many people thought the biggest problem with Rj was his inability to hit the open 3pt shot.

Now we are here at the end of Rj's second year as a Spur and he has shot a shockingly high 44% from the 3pt line. It seems like someone who shoots 44% from three would have won the respect of Spurs fans on this board but it hasn't.
In fact at this moment there is a thread called "players you would rather have over RJ". If you look though the thread you will get some Star players(who should not be compared to Rj), shooting-guards(which also should not be compared to him), some smart ass comments (like "bag of rocks") and at last some comparable players which in many cases shoot less than 35% 3pt.

How could so many of you want players over Rj that shoot the three ball way worse than him? I thought the 3pt shot at the small-forward position was vital for this team to succeed.

Why do so many of you guys still dislike Rj?

I see you're a big rj fan Nathan.... Would you prefer him or Leonard ?

[Nathan89]

I see you're a big rj fan Nathan.... Would you prefer him or Leonard ?

I dislike Rj.

[timtonymanu]

i'm an RJ fan. He made a huge effort to rework his game in the offseason to fit this team. He's shooting much better from the 3 and playing much better defense.

But like Hill, he falls into lapses where he just constantly defers to the Big 3 and isn't aggressive enough to benefit the team.

It also doesn't help that he's replacing Bruce Bowen, one of the best defenders of all time. Still, I have faith in RJ that he'll come up big during the playoffs.

Piece of shit never did come up big.

[Nathan89]

I see you're a big rj fan Nathan.... Would you prefer him or Leonard ?

Also seems like this was a response to certain trends on the forum. I don't remember being a big fan of his.

[Spurtacular]

Shouldn't the real beef be with the FO? Nobody made the Spurs trade for him and then resign him.

[ceperez]

Shouldn't the real beef be with the FO? Nobody made the Spurs trade for him and then resign him.

PATFO are partially to blame here. (1) Traded Bowen a year too early (2) Got handcuffed with RJ's massive salary (3) resigned Matt Bonner in 2010 for a multi-year deal (4) Signed Bogans to serve as the centerpiece in defense. Those were absolutely miserable times as a Spurs fan. It is as if PATFO went on vacation during 2009-2011

[Mugen]

Piece of shit never did come up big.

:lol this is embarrassing tbh. Fuck RJ.

[ChumpDumper]

This thread is why you waited to sign up to ST?

[dunkman]

It seems he lost his confidence, when he arrived. He was so bad, the Spurs would have been better without him. And the expectations were high when the Spurs got RJ for 15M/year and Dice for the MLE.

[steeledl]

This thread is why you waited to sign up to ST?

U wot m8?

[jag]

I defended RJ and I feel unclean. I assumed that having that lump of shit was better than whatever alternatives were available. Turns out, an empty roster spot was more valuable than filling said spot with RJ.

[Mikeanaro]

RJ was a piece of shit, Chump is right there is no need to bump this thread.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Piece of shit never did come up big.
This. Botched an easy three with nobody in the area code that I could have made that would have saved game 1 and probably the series.