If Spurs lose in L.A. and Bulls win final two, CHI has the homecourt

[zocool16]

This is why there are 50 tiebreakers. If the regular season plays out like that and Spurs go 1-1 and Bulls 2-0, Chicago would win the FIFTH tiebreaker, which is winning percentage vs. playoff teams in own conference.

The Spurs will have gone 16-10, while Chicago would go 15-9. The difference in the percentage is of 0.010.

I didn't see if anyone took the time to look through this and post it already. Sorry if it's a repeat thread. Just thought some of you might be asking yourselves this question. I know I was.

Hope the Spurs win in L.A. and end the drama.

[Sean Cagney]

Who cares now, just get into the playoffs healthy and see what happens from there!

[Fireball]

the FIFTH tiebreaker, which is winning percentage vs. playoff teams in own conference.

are you sure about this?

[admiralsnackbar]

Hopefully the Nets can pull a rabbit from the hat.

[Kuestmaster]

are you sure? I've read that if they end up tied the tiebreaker is the record against the other conference. Spurs vs East and Bulls vs West record is the same and will be the same at the end of the season. No more games left against the other conference. So if they end up tied and both make it to the finals the tiebreaker wil be a coin flip. Yes, a coin flip.

the infinite tiebreakers are applying only between teams in the same conference IIRC

[zocool16]

are you sure? I've read that if they end up tied the tiebreaker is the record against the other conference. Spurs vs East and Bulls vs West record is the same and will be the same at the end of the season. No more games left against the other conference. So if they end up tied and both make it to the finals the tiebreaker wil be a coin flip. Yes, a coin flip.

the infinite tiebreakers are applying only between teams in the same conference IIRC

NBA.com has the fifth tiebreaker as W-L percentage vs. playoff teams from own conference. The sixth is W-L percentage vs. playoff teams from the other conference.

It should be correct. Any NBA insiders in here that can confirm this? Lol.

[Kuestmaster]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/4/9/2100323/nba-playoffs-2011-chicago-bulls-no-1-seed


If Chicago advances to the NBA Finals, it is currently in position to have home court advantage against every potential opponent but the San Antonio Spurs, who are one game ahead. If the Bulls and Spurs finish tied in the standings, due to other even tiebreakers, a coin flip would determine home court advantage in a prospective Finals pairing.

[zocool16]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/4/9/2100323/nba-playoffs-2011-chicago-bulls-no-1-seed

But nowhere on NBA.com does it say there will be a coin flip?

[tdunk21]

we shall know once all games are played...which is no later than thursday, and wednesday being the last game for the spurs vs suns

[Budkin]

I have a feeling the Knicks will end up beating the Bulls Tuesday and we won't have to worry about it. Had the Magic had Dwight Howard yesterday the Bulls would have lost.

[yavozerb]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/4/9/2100323/nba-playoffs-2011-chicago-bulls-no-1-seed

This is correct...For all those going down the line of tiebreakers please stop hurting yourself trying to figure it out cause it will probably come down to coin flip.

[jiggy_55]

This is why there are 50 tiebreakers. If the regular season plays out like that and Spurs go 1-1 and Bulls 2-0, Chicago would win the FIFTH tiebreaker, which is winning percentage vs. playoff teams in own conference.

The Spurs will have gone 16-10, while Chicago would go 15-9. The difference in the percentage is of 0.010.

I didn't see if anyone took the time to look through this and post it already. Sorry if it's a repeat thread. Just thought some of you might be asking yourselves this question. I know I was.

Hope the Spurs win in L.A. and end the drama.

This is wrong. East vs west tiebreakers do not follow the normal criteria. It goes like this:
1. Head to head (1-1)
2. Record against opposite conference (23-7 for both SAS and CHI)
3. Random draw

As written by Tim Griffin on spursnation.com,

"If the two teams are tied at the end of the season, the first two tiebreakers would be null as the season series is tied at one game apiece and the Spurs and Bulls have equal records against the opposite conference. That would mean that homecourt advantage would then be determined on the third tiebreaker — a random drawing."

[TampaDude]

I have a feeling the Knicks will end up beating the Bulls Tuesday and we won't have to worry about it. Had the Magic had Dwight Howard yesterday the Bulls would have lost.

Yup...thanks, Dwight...you dumbass... :lol

[Spurs 4 The Win]

TWO-WAY TIES
1. Results of games against each other.
2. Better winning percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Better point differential between offense and defense.

[Mel_13]

TWO-WAY TIES
1. Results of games against each other.
2. Better winning percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Better point differential between offense and defense.


http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/4/9/2100323/nba-playoffs-2011-chicago-bulls-no-1-seed

[101A]

Makes no sense to use record against OWN conference playoff teams; just look at w/l of seeds 5 - 8 - much easier hill to climb for Chi.

Coin flip makes more sense.

[Kuestmaster]

Makes no sense to use record against OWN conference playoff teams; just look at w/l of seeds 5 - 8 - much easier hill to climb for Chi.

Coin flip makes more sense.

yes, but if chicago and san antonio make it to the finals (I know its a big if) and the HCA it's decided in a coin flip it will be kind of sad after 82 regular season games.

[polandprzem]

yes, but if chicago and san antonio make it to the finals (I know its a big if) and the HCA it's decided in a coin flip it will be kind of sad after 82 regular season games.

It'll rather be a funny situation

[Hoops Czar]

yes, but if chicago and san antonio make it to the finals (I know its a big if) and the HCA it's decided in a coin flip it will be kind of sad after 82 regular season games.
Yes, but will their be a coin flip to decide who calls it?

[Budkin]

yes, but if chicago and san antonio make it to the finals (I know its a big if) and the HCA it's decided in a coin flip it will be kind of sad after 82 regular season games.

Well had we only lost 5 games in a row instead of 6 it wouldn't have been an issue. We really screwed ourselves with that stint. It may make us stronger in the end, but there's a good chance it will screw us out of HCA in the Finals.

[dbreiden83080]

What Spurs team did not have to win big games on the road en route to the title? The HC is nice but if we are not road warriors as well then it's not gonna happen..

[Kuestmaster]

What Spurs team did not have to win big games on the road en route to the title? The HC is nice but if we are not road warriors as well then it's not gonna happen..

yes, but every year we won the championship we had HCA in the finals. Always help to start the first two at home

[TDMVPDPOY]

i doubt the bulls will make it to the finals

[dbreiden83080]

yes, but every year we won the championship we had HCA in the finals. Always help to start the first two at home

But they also closed out the 99 and 07 finals on the road. I am really not thinking about it given that the WC is a gauntlet and just getting there is gonna be incredibly hard.. I'm just happy they got the 1 seed in the west..

[dbreiden83080]

i doubt the bulls will make it to the finals

Why? They have been the best team in the east all year long and the Celts look way worse than last year..

[spurs10]

Yup...thanks, Dwight...you dumbass... :lol
No kidding. How much do they pay that guy? Anyway, we are still a game up on them. If we end up tied, it will indeed come down to a coin toss. That is if any of the pundits and sports analysts are correct about this.
:flag:

[smackdaddy11]

Coin flip is so Richard Simmons. How about head to head point differential? I'd take that over a quarter

[spurs10]

Coin flip is so Richard Simmons. How about head to head point differential? I'd take that over a quarter

Yeah, coin flip is odd. More importantly, does anyone know if division record trumps conference record in the west and east. Looking at the standings and schedule I'm thinking it will remain as it is today. Dallas and LA, Memphis and NO are tied. Not sure we can get around playing OKC, but wonder who we are going to get in the first round. They got great food in both places, which might be what the team is concerned about.
:toast

[Mel_13]

Yeah, coin flip is odd. More importantly, does anyone know if division record trumps conference record in the west and east. Looking at the standings and schedule I'm thinking it will remain as it is today. Dallas and LA, Memphis and NO are tied. Not sure we can get around playing OKC, but wonder who we are going to get in the first round. They got great food in both places, which might be what the team is concerned about.
:toast

LA has the tiebreaker over Dallas and OKC

OKC has the tiebreaker over Dallas

New Orleans has the tiebreaker over Portland and Memphis

Tiebreaker between Portland and Memphis will belong to the winner of tomorrow night's game between the two teams

[TampaDude]

Miami will come out of the East. Book it.

[crc21209]

i doubt the bulls will make it to the finals

I agree. I think the Bulls depend too much on Derrick Rose on offense. If he has a bad game or two in the Playoffs, it could really screw them up. Boston does look worse this year than last, but they've proven they can get it done when it matters the most. And then theres also the Heat....

[boutons_deux]

Rose scores 40, beats Spurs.

Rose scores 37, beat Celtics.

Too much Rose, not enough offensive balance.

[zocool16]

If what I said is indeed wrong, i'd just like to apologize. Random drawing, huh? Weird.

[bresilhac]

i doubt the bulls will make it to the finals

Chicago has a better chance than Boston or Miami to make it to the Finals. I'd rather the Spurs face the Bulls than the Heat or Celtics anyway.

[biba]

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playoff_picture.html

d. Home Court Advantage:For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position.

Two Teams Tied
(1) Better winning percentage in games against each other.
(2) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

What Bruno says?

[Mel_13]

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playoff_picture.html

d. Home Court Advantage:For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position.

Two Teams Tied
(1) Better winning percentage in games against each other.
(2) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

What Bruno says?

He says it's a coin flip.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5109276&postcount=13

[biba]

Thanks Mel_13 - and Bruno -. Didn't find anything specific about home-court advantage in the Finals.

[Mel_13]

Thanks Mel_13 - and Bruno -. Didn't find anything specific about home-court advantage in the Finals.

No problem, I did the same thing.

Unfortunately, the NBA's official website is a poor source of information on the subject.

[GrandeDavid]

I've said it many times and I'll never get tired of saying it. If the Spurs somehow eliminate the Lakers, there'll be no stopping them, and that includes Chicago's potential homecourt advantage. I actually am more concerned about the Celtics having a psychological edge on the Spurs more than the Bulls. But, again, the Spurs survive the West, I think they'll win the championship.

[ShoogarBear]

lol Stern doing a coin flip.

Manna for conspiracy theorists.

[spurtech09]

doesn't matter another team is going to knockout the bulls out of the play-offs....bulls aren't going to the nba finals

[spurs10]

LA has the tiebreaker over Dallas and OKC

OKC has the tiebreaker over Dallas

New Orleans has the tiebreaker over Portland and Memphis

Tiebreaker between Portland and Memphis will belong to the winner of tomorrow night's game between the two teams
That's what I thought, thanks.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Spurs have every reason to mail in tomorrow night's game, if only because an LA win assures that they will be either 2 or 3 and keep them out of the 4 spot.

Conceivably, if the Spurs win at Staples tomorrow, LA could end up with 27 losses and, if OKC wins out (@SAC, v. MIL), would drop LAL (v. SA, @SAC) to the 4 spot (assuming no similar swoon for Dallas (@HOU, v. NOH)).

No matter how great your belief in the Spurs' ability to beat LA, you'd have to guess that the Spurs would rather see LA in the Conference Finals and (assuming both can make it there) and not in the WCSF (assuming each would make it there).









Sometimes, when I post, my own genius amazes me.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Thanks FWD for making my posting SOOOOO easy.

[Ice009]

Why are people so scared to face the Lakers early?

There's so many ways you can look at it. Everytime we've beaten LA we've beaten them in the WCSF. Having said that though we never played them when we were clearly the better team in that three season period. Also, the last time we played them we were banged up in 2008. Wouldn't you rather face the Lakers fresher in the second round rather than like in 2008 after a grueling series against NO?

The other view, I guess is, that we can get in better form if we make it to the WCF, and face them in the WCF as we may not be quite ready for them yet in an earlier round. Either way if we have to play them then I think the WCSF or WCF both are just as good a time to play them.

[beirmeistr]

The Spurs have every reason to mail in tomorrow night's game, if only because an LA win assures that they will be either 2 or 3 and keep them out of the 4 spot.

Conceivably, if the Spurs win at Staples tomorrow, LA could end up with 27 losses and, if OKC wins out (@SAC, v. MIL), would drop LAL (v. SA, @SAC) to the 4 spot (assuming no similar swoon for Dallas (@HOU, v. NOH)).

No matter how great your belief in the Spurs' ability to beat LA, you'd have to guess that the Spurs would rather see LA in the Conference Finals and (assuming both can make it there) and not in the WCSF (assuming each would make it there).

Must be that rarified air in the helicopter that makes you a genius.
I totally agree with you. Pop should rest all his starters against LA and prevent injuries. Have you noticed how rowdy the Lakers have gotten since their losing streak? Kobe, Ron Artest, Fisher, and Barnes want to fight to relieve their frustration(reminds me of the 2005 Nuggets). Rest the starters, prevent injuries, and then beat Phoenix. Who knows, the Knicks might take care of the Bulls.








Sometimes, when I post, my own genius amazes me.

[GinobiliForTres]

lol Stern doing a coin flip.

Manna for conspiracy theorists.

Spurs have good luck in coin flips.

Ask Tim Duncan. :P

[Danny.Zhu]

WC Champs is enough for me.

[tmtcsc]

I've said it many times and I'll never get tired of saying it. If the Spurs somehow eliminate the Lakers, there'll be no stopping them, and that includes Chicago's potential homecourt advantage. I actually am more concerned about the Celtics having a psychological edge on the Spurs more than the Bulls. But, again, the Spurs survive the West, I think they'll win the championship.

I think the Lakers are the only team standing in the way of a Spurs 5th ring. Props to the Thunder for a great year but I think we'd beat them in a seven game series.

[Spursfan092120]

I got a fucking idea..let them play for it.

[rascal]

doesn't matter another team is going to knockout the bulls out of the play-offs....bulls aren't going to the nba finals

Agree. The Bulls have to lose a tough series and grow from it first. They are not ready to go all the way to the finals yet.

[rascal]

Spurs have good luck in coin flips.

Ask Tim Duncan. :P

The spurs will win any coin flip.

[rascal]

I'd rather the spurs lose the coin flip and get the higher draft pick because the Bulls are not going to make it to the finals.

Or maybe they will have another different coin flip for the draft order.

[sheriee84]

How about we just win our last 2 games and screw the coin flip?... Just sayin...

[duncan228]

Rose eyes Knicks, Spurs, not head cold (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-rose-eyes-knicks-spurs-not-head-cold-20110412,0,6000249.story)
By K.C. Johnson
Tribune reporter

...There are always challenges to chase for Rose. The Knicks, who will play without Amare Stoudemire again, represent the only team the Bulls haven't beaten this season. The Bulls trail the San Antonio Spurs by one game in the race for the league's best record.

That's why Rose said he will approach this back-to-back -- the Bulls finish the regular season at home on Wednesday against the Nets -- by not asking coach Tom Thibodeau to lower his minutes.

"If I ask him, he'll probably look at me and walk away anyway," Rose cracked.

If the Bulls and Spurs finish tied in overall record, all the tiebreakers are deadlocked, too. So a random draw will determine home-court advantage should those teams advance to the NBA Finals.

"We're focused on it," Rose said. "We know it's pretty close. Coach always says we're playing for something. So why not go for it?"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-rose-eyes-knicks-spurs-not-head-cold-20110412,0,6000249.story

[TampaDude]

How about we just win our last 2 games and screw the coin flip?... Just sayin...

Too bad Duncan got hurt and we lost all those games. Oh, well...the Bulls are going to lose to the Knicks tonight, anyway. :hat

[Budkin]

The Knicks, who will play without Amare Stoudemire again...

Nevermind... the Bulls are going to roll. The Magic without Dwight, the Knicks without Amare, ugh. Can't complain... we got a lot of lucky breaks this season.

[rascal]

The Bulls will end up with the top record but that is their championship. They won't be in the finals.