If Jason Terry is with Dallas next season, I am switching back to the Knicks

[monosylab1k]

That's all.

[Kyle Orton]

lol the DB.COMERS who called me stupid for saying Dragic = Beaubois

we were both wrong, Dragic >>> Beaubois :lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

Mono, there's an Eva Longoria thread in the Club right now, check it out, I think you'll enjoy it..

[Ghazi]

Terry for Iggy in offseason, IMO

[Venti Quattro]

That's all.
If Shannon Brown is still with LA next year I will follow suit

[Findog]

Terry for Iggy in offseason, IMO

Why would the Sixers be that stupid?

[Ghazi]

Why would the Sixers be that stupid?

I dunno :)

[monosylab1k]

Why would the Sixers be that stupid?

Conversely, why would Dallas be that smart?

[Findog]

Conversely, why would Dallas be that smart?

True. This is the same FO that decided Beaubois for Gerald Wallace was not a good idea.

[monosylab1k]

True. This is the same FO that decided Beaubois for Gerald Wallace was not a good idea.

Or that getting Iggy/Brand was a bad idea because it ruined their already fucked "financial flexibility"

[Findog]

How is Dirk not the MVP? This is a 20-win team without him.

[Kyle Orton]

Rememba det time Mavs fans (not Findog or mono) told me Beaubois for Joe fuckin Johnson would be a bad move for Dallas :lmao. The stupidity doesn't stop at their front office with the overrating of Beaubois.

[Findog]

Or that getting Iggy/Brand was a bad idea because it ruined their already fucked "financial flexibility"

tbh I credit Doug Collins for breathing life into Elton Brand's corpse. Not sure he would have had the same impact here. But in terms of "going for it" that would have been a great deal. post scoring + athletic wing that plays well on both ends of the court. Two major weaknesses on this team.

[Kyle Orton]

Btw mono jaboy Anthony Randolph is beasting on the Suns

[Ghazi]

True. This is the same FO that decided Beaubois for Gerald Wallace was not a good idea.

Wallace would be redundant w/ Marion... gotta hold on to Beaubois for when he unleashes his star potential next year.

[monosylab1k]

Rememba det time Mavs fans (not Findog or mono) told me Beaubois for Joe fuckin Johnson would be a bad move for Dallas :lmao. The stupidity doesn't stop at their front office with the overrating of Beaubois.

Not that I endorse it, but honestly Joe Johnson already looks like he's in decline, and he's in the first year of a big ass contract. And Johnson for Roddy wouldn't win the Mavs a title.

Iggy/Brand was the way to go with Dampier's expiring, and they screwed the pooch. Not that Tyson has been bad, but obviously even with his defensive presence, the team still plays shitty defense. I think the offensive boost of Iggy/Brand, along with their decent defense, far outweights Tyson Chandler's contributions, and this team is a legit title contender with those two.

[Sean Cagney]

Switching back to a team means you are not a fan of this team you root for now to begin with, so by all means do it! I never have a second favorite team or any of that shyt, it's all one team and all.

BTW IF TERRY IS OFF DALLAS next year I will smile, no more if his talk and bs every year and I about sick of it lol, can't stand that dude.

[Findog]

Rememba det time Mavs fans (not Findog or mono) told me Beaubois for Joe fuckin Johnson would be a bad move for Dallas :lmao. The stupidity doesn't stop at their front office with the overrating of Beaubois.

tbh draft picks/cash considerations/end of the bench spares for Joe Johnson is a bad trade unless he puts you over the top and you win a title. Because after the new CBA you're on the hook for a horrific contract.

[Kyle Orton]

Or he was beasting on the Suns till Rambis decided to not use him yet in the 2nd half after 13 points in 14 minutes of the 1st half. It must fuckin suck to go from Don Nelson, to Mike D'antoni, to Kurt Rambis.

[jag]

Rememba det time Mavs fans (not Findog or mono) told me Beaubois for Joe fuckin Johnson would be a bad move for Dallas :lmao. The stupidity doesn't stop at their front office with the overrating of Beaubois.

I rememba det one time Mav fan told me Roddy B shits all over George Hill.





















:lmao

[Kyle Orton]

tbh draft picks/cash considerations/end of the bench spares for Joe Johnson is a bad trade unless he puts you over the top and you win a title. Because after the new CBA you're on the hook for a horrific contract.

Kinda like the Mavs are anyway with Haywood/Marion.

[rayjayjohnson]

How is Dirk not the MVP? This is a 20-win team without him.

This

[DPG21920]

Joe would be perfect for the Mavs. Don't Kidd yourselves.

[Kyle Orton]

The "new CBA" thing is also a load of horseshit. There will be little to no change when its all said and done. There are dumb shylock owners like Sarver hoping for radical change, but they hold absolutely no bargaining chips. Mark my words, there will still be a MLE, soft salary cap, no franchise tags, and bird rights with a new CBA.

[Ghazi]

Not that I endorse it, but honestly Joe Johnson already looks like he's in decline, and he's in the first year of a big ass contract. And Johnson for Roddy wouldn't win the Mavs a title.

Iggy/Brand was the way to go with Dampier's expiring, and they screwed the pooch. Not that Tyson has been bad, but obviously even with his defensive presence, the team still plays shitty defense. I think the offensive boost of Iggy/Brand, along with their decent defense, far outweights Tyson Chandler's contributions, and this team is a legit title contender with those two.

nobody knew Brand would be this good this year.

[jag]

Not that I endorse it, but honestly Joe Johnson already looks like he's in decline, and he's in the first year of a big ass contract. And Johnson for Roddy wouldn't win the Mavs a title.
.

This is just a form of denial. JJ for Roddy B at least adds a dimension to the Mavs that they aren't close to having now. Nothing guarantees a title, but you'd be much better off with JJ in that starting lineup for the next few years.

[Kyle Orton]

This is just a form of denial.

Yup. It's hard to get mad at a front office when you try to talk yourself into thinking Beaubois for Joe Johnson isn't a good trade :lmao

[monosylab1k]

I never have a second favorite team or any of that shyt, it's all one team and all.

spurs=class

[Ghazi]

Beaubois will be better than Johnson next year. :)

[Kyle Orton]

Beaubois will be better than Johnson next year. :)

I have a feeling Mavfan will have plenty of "next year" talk with Beaubois as long as ST is around.

[monosylab1k]

This is just a form of denial. JJ for Roddy B at least adds a dimension to the Mavs that they aren't close to having now. Nothing guarantees a title, but you'd be much better off with JJ in that starting lineup for the next few years.

Better, yes. I never said they wouldn't. I just don't see Joe Johnson being a guy that puts Dallas in the championship picture with SA/LA/MIA/etc. And one year into his contract he's already dropping a nice shit sandwich for Atlanta.

I already said that Iggy/Brand (which I endorsed in the offseason) was the way to go with the DUST chip, and the Mavs FO fucked that up.

[DPG21920]

Joe definitely puts Dallas in the title competition. He gives Dallas a true #2 option/ball handler/creator/decent defender.

Almost perfect fit.

[Findog]

Better, yes. I never said they wouldn't. I just don't see Joe Johnson being a guy that puts Dallas in the championship picture with SA/LA/MIA/etc. And one year into his contract he's already dropping a nice shit sandwich for Atlanta.

I already said that Iggy/Brand (which I endorsed in the offseason) was the way to go with the DUST chip, and the Mavs FO fucked that up.

JJ >>> Beaubois, but you don't make that trade unless it puts you over the top. Otherwise, get used to paying $22 million a year for 15 points a game on 43% shooting for the next five years after this season. We already have that with Terry.

[Kyle Orton]

Iguodala and Brand make Dallas a contender but Joe Johnson doesn't :lol

[jag]

Yup. It's hard to get mad at a front office when you try to talk yourself into thinking Beaubois for Joe Johnson isn't a good trade :lmao

"JJ is overpaid so we don't want him."

You can go up and down that roster to see guys like Haywood who shouldn't be paid diddly poo, so what makes mav fan think that Joe Johnson is all of the sudden not worth the paycheck.

The mav fan mantra has always been "it's not our money." Shawn Marion

[monosylab1k]

nobody knew Brand would be this good this year.

even if he produced like he has the past 2 seasons in Philly, he's still a) a solid backup for Dirk, and b)a good post scorer and defender. How come every fucking time a low post threat is available the Mavericks find some way to not even consider them?

[Findog]

Iguodala and Brand make Dallas a contender but Joe Johnson doesn't :lol

How much better is Joe Johnson than Jason Terry? JJ is a Honda Accord, Terry is a Kia Rio.

[Findog]

How much better is Joe Johnson than Jason Terry? JJ is a Honda Accord, Terry is a Kia Rio.

[monosylab1k]

Iguodala and Brand make Dallas a contender but Joe Johnson doesn't :lol

:lmao thinking one volume shooting guard with declining athleticism and shitty defense is the missing piece.

[Kyle Orton]

JJ >>> Beaubois, but you don't make that trade unless it puts you over the top. Otherwise, get used to paying $22 million a year for 15 points a game on 43% shooting for the next five years after this season. We already have that with Terry.

:lmao comparing JJ to Terry

[monosylab1k]

How is it even up for fucking debate that Iggy/Brand is a far better deal for Dallas than Joe Johnson?

[Findog]

:lmao comparing JJ to Terry

In two years, JJ is going to be what Terry is now.

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao thinking one volume shooting guard with declining athleticism and shitty defense is the missing piece.

Shitty defense? Joe Johnson is a good defender.

Btw, if I wasn't welching on a bet with Rocketfan I'd have your sig ready to go. :lmao Beaubois averaging 14 PPG.

[Ghazi]

I dunno why everyone is shitting on the Mavs FO.... we've won about 80% of our games this year when Dirk/Chandler play...the Marion, Butler, and Chandler trades were all good ones and have put this team into darkhorse contention... if Butler didn't go down who knows.

o ye of little faith!

[Greg Oden]

Tq_1j4z5-J4

I forgot which mavfan said Roddy was gonna be better than Ellis, a guy the Mavs could've had for fuckin Howard.

[jag]

Better, yes. I never said they wouldn't. I just don't see Joe Johnson being a guy that puts Dallas in the championship picture with SA/LA/MIA/etc. And one year into his contract he's already dropping a nice shit sandwich for Atlanta.

I already said that Iggy/Brand (which I endorsed in the offseason) was the way to go with the DUST chip, and the Mavs FO fucked that up.

It's hard to say whether or not he would put you over the top. But I do know that this Dallas team was in the championship hunt with Caron Butler as the second option. I'd deal Caron for JJ straight up without a second thought.

Johnson is a bum as the #1 option. But he'd do work as Dirk's wingman facing one-on-one situations all game long.

Who cares about his contract? You've got a very small window that relies on Dirk's retirement.

[Kyle Orton]

In two years, JJ is going to be what Terry is now.

In the 2 years between now and then, JJ gives Dallas a much better shot at contending than Roddy's studly 8.8 PPG on 42.5% shooting.

[Spurologist]

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[monosylab1k]

Tq_1j4z5-J4

I forgot which mavfan said Roddy was gonna be better than Ellis.

I remember endorsing a Monta Ellis deal too, only for the vast majority of Mavs fans here whining about how he would hog the ball and take away all the 18 foot fadeaways over guys 6 inches shorter than him from Dirk.

[Kyle Orton]

Tq_1j4z5-J4

I forgot which mavfan said Roddy was gonna be better than Ellis.

Same, tbh.

[Ghazi]

Iguodala > Johnson is all I know

[monosylab1k]

JJ gives Dallas a much better shot at contending

:lol you do realize Joe Johnson is shooting the ball almost as craptacular as Roddy, right? Except he gets more shots because he gets paid more than LeBron James.

[Kyle Orton]

Iguodala > Johnson is all I know

The stats say differently. Iggy is just as much of a volume chucker as JJ, the difference is JJ at least has a good J and has to create everything for himself. As _JaG said, give JJ a 1st option to play off, he becomes a much more efficient and better player.

[Greg Oden]

I remember endorsing a Monta Ellis deal too, only for the vast majority of Mavs fans here whining about how he would hog the ball and take away all the 18 foot fadeaways over guys 6 inches shorter than him from Dirk.

Ellis would be a great fuckin fit, not to mention he's better than every guard on the team combined.

[monosylab1k]

:lol I guess you guys are right about Joe Johnson fitting in perfectly with Dallas. He's great at taking jumpers and never attacking the basket, that IS a perfect fit.

[Booharv]

Iguodala and Brand make Dallas a contender but Joe Johnson doesn't :lol

Iguodala is one of the best if not the best perimeter defenders in the league. Probably either him or Tony Allen at this point, plus Iguodala is a much better passer and rebounder than Johnson.

[jag]

How is it even up for fucking debate that Iggy/Brand is a far better deal for Dallas than Joe Johnson?

Because in this hypothetical situation you're giving up Roddy for JJ straight up (with some picks). Youre arguing that JJ for Roddy isnt a good deal. Iggy/Brand is another discussion all together.

[Sigz]

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[Findog]

In the 2 years between now and then, JJ gives Dallas a much better shot at contending than Roddy's studly 8.8 PPG on 42.5% shooting.

Well I was never a Roddy dick sucker that hyped him up as a legit #2 option.

[Kyle Orton]

:lol you do realize Joe Johnson is shooting the ball almost as craptacular as Roddy, right? Except he gets more shots because he gets paid more than LeBron James.

Roddy would be shooting probably 28% if he was the #1 option on a team with no other ball handlers/creators.

[Ghazi]

o YE of little faith!

we goin to the ship!

[Kyle Orton]

:lol I guess you guys are right about Joe Johnson fitting in perfectly with Dallas. He's great at taking jumpers and never attacking the basket, that IS a perfect fit.

No, you're right. 8.8 point ecstasy shouldn't be traded for Joe Johnson.

[jag]

:lol you do realize Joe Johnson is shooting the ball almost as craptacular as Roddy, right? Except he gets more shots because he gets paid more than LeBron James.

You realize he's the number one option facing a second defender running at him all game long, right?

[Kyle Orton]

You realize he's the number one option facing a second defender running at him all game long, right?

I don't think so. For some reason Mavfan in this thread believes he's shooting 44% by playing off better players and getting 1 on 1 isos whenever he wants like Roddy gets.

[monosylab1k]

The stats say differently.

:lol no they don't.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1007/joe-johnson

Iggy is outplaying JJ in every facet of the game. He's better from behind the 3, and even tho he shoots worse from the line, he also gets there more often. Better rebounding, assists, steals, and blocks as well.

The only stat that says "differently" is the paychecks. One guys is paid more than LeBron James and therefore gets to jack it up at will. The other "chucker" puts it up a mind boggling 11 times a game :lmao

[monosylab1k]

You realize he's the number one option facing a second defender running at him all game long, right?

Right, because the defense has every reason to ignore Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith, Al Horford, etc, and just use all their energy to shut down the GOAT.

[Ghazi]

was Johnson ever even on the table?

Why are we having this conversation?

Can't we enjoy our beloved 56-25 2nd place Mavericks?

[Kyle Orton]

Points per game kinda says differently. 14 PPG at 44% shooting isn't anything close to a "2nd option".

[monosylab1k]

No, you're right. 8.8 point ecstasy shouldn't be traded for Joe Johnson.

I've already stated I would have made that trade. I'm just pointing out that I'm not overly pissed about it because Joe Johnson would have been like the 5th best option they had at the time.

[Booharv]

Iguodala :wow

http://www.depressedfan.com/img/ai9vsstarters022211.gif

Johnson :lol

[jag]

Right, because the defense has every reason to ignore Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith, Al Horford, etc, and just use all their energy to shut down the GOAT.

As someone who gets Hawks games locally and attends Hawks games, Joe Johnson is by far the number one option and sees weekside double teams quite regularly. Do you honestly think Josh Smith is creating 16.7 ppg of offense on his own?

[monosylab1k]

Points per game kinda says differently.

:lol oh yeah that's right. Looks like Amare > Dwight Howard. Points per game say so.

[Kyle Orton]

You'd have to be retarded to think JJ doesn't see more attention from defenses than Iggy. Joe Johnson plays a bigger role on a better team.

[Kyle Orton]

I've already stated I would have made that trade.

OK then. Thanks for playing. lol Beaubois averaging 14 PPG.

[Greg Oden]

As someone who gets Hawks games locally and attends Hawks games, Joe Johnson is by far the number one option and sees weekside double teams quite regularly. Do you honestly think Josh Smith is creating 16.7 ppg of offense on his own?

well that sucks.

[monosylab1k]

Iguodala :wow

http://www.depressedfan.com/img/ai9vsstarters022211.gif

Johnson :lol

dude, the stats say otherwise. No, not those stats, the other stats.

[jag]

I've already stated I would have made that trade. I'm just pointing out that I'm not overly pissed about it because Joe Johnson would have been like the 5th best option they had at the time.

What the hell are you doing right now?

[jag]

well that sucks.

Yeah no shit

[Kyle Orton]

:lol oh yeah that's right. Looks like Amare > Dwight Howard. Points per game say so.

You said Iggy was beating him at "every facet of the game". Pick a lane and stick with it.

[monosylab1k]

Do you honestly think Josh Smith is creating 16.7 ppg of offense on his own?

You make a great point. With all that attention, that must mean Joe Johnson is really racking up the assists by finding the open man.......oh wait, Iggy does that better than him too.

[Kyle Orton]

dude, the stats say otherwise. No, not those stats, the other stats.

lol advanced stats

[Budkin]

If Terry leaves Dallas I could actually root for them sometimes.

[monosylab1k]

You said Iggy was beating him at "every facet of the game". Pick a lane and stick with it.

so shooting the ball less efficiently. but scoring more points because you take way more shots suddenly means you're better at scoring?

[Kyle Orton]

With Iggy being so much better than JJ, he must be leading his team to a better record.

[Kyle Orton]

so shooting the ball less efficiently.

44.5% is less efficient than 44.5%? News to me.

[jag]

You make a great point. With all that attention, that must mean Joe Johnson is really racking up the assists by finding the open man.......oh wait, Iggy does that better than him too.

What the hell does iggy have anything to do with you thinking JJ for Roddy wouldn't be the slightest improvement to this Dallas team?

[monosylab1k]

lol advanced stats

lol moving the goalposts

what stat other than points per game say Joe Johnson > Iggy. You're the one who said the stats made your argument, not us.

[monosylab1k]

What the hell does iggy have anything to do with you thinking JJ for Roddy wouldn't be the slightest improvement to this Dallas team?

I never once said that you dumbass. I just said trading JJ for Roddy doesn't make Dallas a title contender.

Trading Joe Johnson for Nick Young would make the Wizards better too, but not title contenders.

[Kyle Orton]

lol moving the goalposts

what stat other than points per game say Joe Johnson > Iggy. You're the one who said the stats made your argument, not us.

Career stats say so. This is a down year for JJ. With that said, I didn't know Iggy's assist and rebounding #s were so high, but you'd be retarded to think he's an overall better offensive player than JJ.

[midnightpulp]

I remember endorsing a Monta Ellis deal too, only for the vast majority of Mavs fans here whining about how he would hog the ball and take away all the 18 foot fadeaways over guys 6 inches shorter than him from Dirk.

Could be a blessing in disguise, actually. Monta can score, no doubt, but he also makes superstars out of scrub perimeter players on the regular. The guy redefines the term "matador defense." Granted, his liabilities on the defense end are magnified by playing for Golden State, but at 6-3, 180 pounds, the top shooting guards in the West (Kobe, et al) would feast on him in a playoff series.

Iggy and Brand would've been perfect. That combo addresses many of the Mavs' current problems (perimeter defense, a low post threat, etc.).

[monosylab1k]

44.5% is less efficient than 44.5%? News to me.

sorry I know advanced stats are your kryptonite but there's this thing called true shooting percentage. also effective FG%. Iggy beats JJ in both of those.

[Kyle Orton]

sorry I know advanced stats are your kryptonite but there's this thing called true shooting percentage. also effective FG%. Iggy beats JJ in both of those.

They're not my kryptonite, I just don't use them so I avoid drawing retarded conclusions they lead people to draw....like Beaubois is capable of being a 14 PPG scorer.

[jag]

I never once said that you dumbass. I just said trading JJ for Roddy doesn't make Dallas a title contender.

Trading Joe Johnson for Nick Young would make the Wizards better too, but not title contenders.

Acting as if JJ is hardly better than Roddy says a lot.

The Wizards don't have Dirk. Johnson wouldn't be the #1 option on the Mavs.

[monosylab1k]

Career stats say so.

Oh well then I guess Dallas better not fuck around with trying to get Chris Paul and instead go after Steve Nash. Career stats say so.

[monosylab1k]

Acting as if JJ is hardly better than Roddy says a lot.

Quote?

I just said Joe Johnson doesn't make Dallas a contender, and there were other better options out there that would.

[Greg Oden]

Could be a blessing in disguise, actually. Monta can score, no doubt, but he also makes superstars out of scrub perimeter players on the regular. The guy redefines the term "matador defense." Granted, his liabilities on the defense end are magnified by playing for Golden State, but at 6-3, 180 pounds, the top shooting guards in the West (Kobe, et al) would feast on him in a playoff series.

Iggy and Brand would've been perfect. That combo addresses many of the Mavs' current problems (perimeter defense, a low post threat, etc.).

Knocking Ellis because he doesn't play try to play defense for Golden State doesn't have any legs. Ellis wouldn't hold the bigger perimeter players in the west anyway. And have you seen Roddy play d?

[Kyle Orton]

Oh well then I guess Dallas better not fuck around with trying to get Chris Paul and instead go after Steve Nash. Career stats say so.

Paul and Nash aren't in a similar age range. Age plays a bigger role with Iggy given how much more his game is based off athleticism.

[monosylab1k]

Could be a blessing in disguise, actually. Monta can score, no doubt, but he also makes superstars out of scrub perimeter players on the regular. The guy redefines the term "matador defense." Granted, his liabilities on the defense end are magnified by playing for Golden State, but at 6-3, 180 pounds, the top shooting guards in the West (Kobe, et al) would feast on him in a playoff series.

Maybe so, but his matador defense isn't any different than JET/Kidd/Roddy/Barea. The difference being that he can score way more efficiently.

[Ghazi]

I think Joe Johnson would make the Mavs a title contender. As is, the Mavs are very close to contention... adding Johnson for essentially nothing would push them into the convo, JMHO

Not that Johnson is that good..but I digress!

[jag]

Quote?

I just said Joe Johnson doesn't make Dallas a contender, and there were other better options out there that would.


:lol you do realize Joe Johnson is shooting the ball almost as craptacular as Roddy, right? Except he gets more shots because he gets paid more than LeBron James.

By your reasoning Roddy could easily lead the Hawks to the playoffs with equally craptacular numbers as Joe.

[monosylab1k]

By your reasoning Roddy could easily lead the Hawks to the playoffs with equally craptacular numbers as Joe.

Take Joe Johnson off the Hawks and they're still a playoff team in the East.

Trade Joe Johnson for Roddy and the Hawks are absolutely worse off, but they're still a playoff team.

[monosylab1k]

As is, the Mavs are very close to contention

die

[DMC]

Wallace would be redundant w/ Marion... gotta hold on to Beaubois for when he unleashes his star potential next year.
Nah, Portland is always the "next year" team. How can Dallas be the next year team with Portland already reserving that spot for the foreseeable future?

[Ghazi]

die

They're a 57 win team this year, 60 if Dirk didn't get hurt, and winning 80% of their games nearly when Dirk/Chandler play. This is w/ Butler missing half the season

If that isn't close to contention, I don't know what is.

[jag]

Take Joe Johnson off the Hawks and they're still a playoff team in the East.

JJ's stats as the number one option for his playoff team don't mean anything now because you don't want them to. Ok

Let's keep comparing stats though. Let me know which ones are significant and which ones aren't.

[midnightpulp]

Knocking Ellis because he doesn't play try to play defense for Golden State doesn't have any legs. Ellis wouldn't hold the bigger perimeter players in the west anyway. And have you seen Roddy play d?

In a way, the Lakers might be the best matchup for the Mavs if Ellis were on the team. This way, you could hide Ellis on Fisher and put Kidd, Marion, or whoever on Kobe.

[Kyle Orton]

Nah, Portland is always the "next year" team. How can Dallas be the next year team with Portland already reserving that spot for the foreseeable future?

Because Dallas has Roddy Beaubois. He's been playing possum his 1st 2 years in the NBA to unleash hell "next year".

[MavDynasty]

o ye of little faith

WE GOIN TO THE SHIP!

[Kyle Orton]

They're a 57 win team this year, 60 if Dirk didn't get hurt, and winning 80% of their games nearly when Dirk/Chandler play. This is w/ Butler missing half the season

If that isn't close to contention, I don't know what is.

Close to contention is being able to win 4 consecutive playoff series. The Bulls and Spurs have won 60+ games this year, but neither team is equipped to make a serious championship run.

[TE]

die
:lol

[jag]

Johnson makes us a contender If we also had big daddy Tyson, but we couldn't have both

In the world of hypotheticals The Mavs would keep Tyson, Dirk, Marion and Kidd, while losing Roddy who would be replaced by Joe Johnson. Mono thinks this move doesn't put Dallas in championship contention. Yet somehow the Mavs were a completely different team with Caron playing second fiddle.

I keep forgetting Caron > Joe Johnson

[monosylab1k]

Let's keep comparing stats though. Let me know which ones are significant and which ones aren't.

so far they've all been significant since they've all shown that Joe Johnson isn't an efficient scorer and isn't nearly the athletic slasher he used to be. And Iggy curbstomps him in ever stat available, except points per game. But that's okay because being a team player in a team concept isn't as important as being a chucking #1 option.

[Jelloisjigglin]

If Shannon Brown is still with LA next year I will follow suit

What why? You honestly don't like a player that dribbles the ball for 20 seconds then shoots a fadeaway? :wow

[monosylab1k]

Yet somehow the Mavs were a completely different team with Caron playing second fiddle.

I'd love for you to find me saying the Mavs were title contenders with Caron.

[Greg Oden]

In a way, the Lakers might be the best matchup for the Mavs if Ellis were on the team. This way, you could hide Ellis on Fisher and put Kidd, Marion, or whoever on Kobe.

He's no great defender, but he's not god awful either. Who does play D on that team besides Udoh? There's no incentive to.

[Kyle Orton]

I love how you're acting like Iggy is the king of efficiency. He chucks plenty of retarded off the dribble jumpers at shitty times as well. Neither player is perfect, but JJ is more capable of filling the #2 scorers role than Iggy. Iggy's offense is too limited.

[midnightpulp]

In the world of hypotheticals The Mavs would keep Tyson, Dirk, Marion and Kidd, while losing Roddy who would be replaced by Joe Johnson. Mono thinks this move doesn't put Dallas in championship contention. Yet somehow the Mavs were a completely different team with Caron playing second fiddle.

I keep forgetting Caron > Joe Johnson

Caron seemed to be a perfect fit chemistry wise until he went down. He knew and played his role to near perfection and the Mavs were arguably the best team in the league.

I really liked what he brought to the Mavs before the injury.

[Kyle Orton]

God dammit fucking fuck the Suns are screwing themselves out of the 12th pick right now. Well I guess Utah picking in front of them kills any chance they'll waste a pick on Jimmer which they're def. considering doing.

[monosylab1k]

I'd still prefer brand/iggy to jj tho

see how understudy ignores elton brand and acts like this is just a jj vs. iggy only debate. Iggy alone wouldn't make the Mavs contenders either, nor Brand alone, it's the iggy/brand combo that does it.

[Kyle Orton]

I'd still prefer brand/iggy to jj tho

I'd prefer Beaubois.

[Zelophehad]

Iguodala is so much better on defense than Johnson it more than makes up for any neglible differences on the other end. Scottie Pippen type number two option.

[jag]

I'd love for you to find me saying the Mavs were title contenders with Caron.

The Mavs were one of the best teams in the NBA with the borderline #3-4 option that is Caron Butler acting as the Mavs #2 option.

You don't have to say it.

Yet JJ wouldn't put the Mavs in title contention so a deal involving Roddy isn't even worth it. Ok

[Kyle Orton]

see how understudy ignores elton brand and acts like this is just a jj vs. iggy only debate. Iggy alone wouldn't make the Mavs contenders either, nor Brand alone, it's the iggy/brand combo that does it.

I don't ignore Brand, I just don't consider him. He'd basically be Dirk's backup and wouldn't be in during crunch time. I'm also pretty sure they could trade for Brand's contract alone if they wanted to :lol

[midnightpulp]

He's no great defender, but he's not god awful either. Who does play D on that team besides Udoh? There's no incentive to.

Lol. They probably issue fines to players who try to play defense.

[Kyle Orton]

Also, call me skeptical but I don't see Brand having the year he's having on a team where he's not the 1A or 1B option. Could be wrong, but I don't see Brand having any success in the role he'd play for Dallas.

[ElNono]

Wallace would be redundant w/ Marion... gotta hold on to Beaubois for when he unleashes his star potential next year.

lol lateral move... I still remember that

[ElNono]

I don't know about Joe Johnson... but GForce was attainable when Charlotte was shopping him, Iggy/Brand was a no brainer IMO, and I still remember the talks about BDiddy/Kaman... which I'm not sure would look better than Kidd/Haywood at this point...

[sribb43]

If JET leaves... mavs will just replace him with another midget tweener

[ElNono]

More minutes for Barea... yay!

[sefant77]

"JJ is overpaid so we don't want him."

You can go up and down that roster to see guys like Haywood who shouldn't be paid diddly poo, so what makes mav fan think that Joe Johnson is all of the sudden not worth the paycheck.

The mav fan mantra has always been "it's not our money." Shawn Marion

Marion (next 3 years) and Haywood (4 years) gonna earn together 60 million guaranteed money. Marion played better than last year and Haywood is stuck behind Chandler.

JJ is locked up for 5 years and 107 million and declining allready this season.

So i take 10 out of 10 times Marion/Haywood over JJ.

[mavsfan1000]

More minutes for Barea... yay!
More minutes for Beaubois.

[Sean Cagney]

More minutes for Beaubois.

That would appear to be a good thing too!!!!!!

[dbestpro]

Dallas has 4 point guards sharing minutes and no shooting guards. No wonder they have trouble at the guard position.

[jag]

Dallas has 4 point guards sharing minutes and no shooting guards. No wonder they have trouble at the guard position.

Last time i checked, their best player is a 7-foot shooting guard.
































Hey-O!

[lefty]

Why did JT celebrate after missing a FT? :lol

[Greg Oden]

Last time i checked, their best player is a 7-foot shooting guard.
































Hey-O!

You're on thin ice.

[Kyle Orton]

Marion (next 3 years) and Haywood (4 years) gonna earn together 60 million guaranteed money. Marion played better than last year and Haywood is stuck behind Chandler.

JJ is locked up for 5 years and 107 million and declining allready this season.

So i take 10 out of 10 times Marion/Haywood over JJ.
Yeah, take 2 role players in their 30s over a 29 year old who actually gives Dallas someone other than Dirk who can create for himself in the half court. Great logic.

There's a reason Mark Cuban loves to surround Dirk with role players and never has any interest in getting him a 2nd option, he's just appeasing his fanbase.

[Zelophehad]

Last time i checked, their best player is a 7-foot shooting guard.

































http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4096/4830652585_c30a310222.jpg

[LakerHater]

Why did JT celebrate after missing a FT? :lol
I noticed that too, WTF!?? :lol

[HornetLoveJones]

Wrong

[Sean Cagney]

Terry did it! I hate him but damn today shut this thread up! I still think in most big games he will fuck it up, but damn man he did it this series! Terry played well, that sucks but damn he did.

BTW I am not an LA fan and he choked last year vs the Spurs and it's still fuck Terry but damn he did play great today and this series as a whole.