Pacers/Bull Game 2 Thread

[NewJerSpur]

The hell was Granger doing?

[Killakobe81]

Why harlem hating on Rose?

[NewJerSpur]

Dick Stockton is pissing me off though

Dick thinks Jordan is at the line.

[ElNono]

Deng gotta choke

[Budkin]

Game.

[ElNono]

damn it

[ElNono]

Here comes Mike Dunleavy with the 4 point play...

[davethedope]

I wouldn't call a time out here. I mean, why don't they have a fucking play set to run. If they make a three or whatever then there are no timeouts. I don't get that.

[4>0rings]

Bulls = out in 2nd round

[it's me]

lol what are the zebras going to do when Chicago plays Miami.................. ? they'll be confused on who to call for or against.

[noles1983]

chicago would get curb stomped by miami or boston right now, they do not look great.

[ElNono]

I wouldn't call a time out here. I mean, why don't they have a fucking play set to run. If they make a three or whatever then there are no timeouts. I don't get that.

You're a knick... there's a lot of things you don't get, tbh

[LnGrrrR]

I'm surprised Pacers have held close for two games now.

[dallaskd]

bulls fucking suck, media created bullshit

[HarlemHeat37]

This game is boring, Miami-Philly was a lot more exciting, tbh..

[ElNono]

Well, at least I had the shooter right :lol

[NewJerSpur]

Not a good playcall.

[ElNono]

This game is boring, Miami-Philly was a lot more exciting, tbh..

:lmao

[Axe Murderer]

chicago would get curb stomped by miami or boston right now, they do not look great.

They're playing great defense

[Killakobe81]

LOL why compare to MJ? Rose could not get those Bulls teams out the first round either ...

[Kyle Orton]

Pacers win the next two, Bulls close it out in 6, then get skull fucked by either Orlando or Atlanta.

[LakerHater]

Vogel should get fined tonight!

[NewJerSpur]

Shout out to romsey31, your team fought all the way.

[DJ Mbenga]

tnt got a little excited

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[HarlemHeat37]

I could see the Bulls losing to a 4-5 in a regular year, but the 4-5 seeds in the East are pretty shitty, this season..Bulls should make it to the ECF IMO, before they lose in 5 to Miami..

[Killakobe81]

9 seconds to go? isnt that 0.9?

[ElNono]

MJ would be rolling in his grave if he were dead and hearing Stockton right now...

[Hemotivo]

foul?

[davethedope]

tnt got a little excited

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rigged

[Kyle Orton]

I could see the Bulls losing to a 4-5 in a regular year, but the 4-5 seeds in the East are pretty shitty, this season..

True. Maybe they'd beat Atlanta, but IMO Orlando would beat them. Howard would destroy Noah and Boozer.

[NewJerSpur]

Pacers can bring it back to Chicago 2-2, I'm confident. Bulls took care of homecourt.

[Axe Murderer]

True. Maybe they'd beat Atlanta, but IMO Orlando would beat them. Howard would destroy Noah and Boozer.

I think Orlando has a great shot at beating Chicago. I think Atlanta would be gone in 4-5 games

[LakerHater]

Jaime: "Alright thank you Dick." :lol

[NewJerSpur]

MJ would be rolling in his grave if he were dead and hearing Stockton right now...

He's even worse when he does football on Fox, he gets everyone mixed up and confuses the hell out of me.

[Kyle Orton]

Regardless, like any team built around a PG, they are not going to live up to playoff expectations.

[HarlemHeat37]

I originally thought Orlando could beat them, it's still possible, but Howard's supporting cast is so unbelievably shitty, tbh..hopefully Orlando can get past Atlanta, they would give Chicago a tougher series..

[it's me]

bottom line.... bulls are a media creation... and refs won them a win at home.

[NewJerSpur]

I think Orlando has a great shot at beating Chicago. I think Atlanta would be gone in 4-5 games

Same here, though I think the Hawks could get it to game 6.

[Axe Murderer]

Regardless, like any team built around a PG, they are not going to live up to playoff expectations.

tbh Rose doesn't play like your typical PG though. Unlike most assist-whore PG's that you hate, rightfully so, Rose is capable of just taking over games himself. He's not gonna defer to his inferior teammates with the game on the line.

[romsey31]

Good foul by Hibbert, Pacers hanging tough.


Shout out to romsey31, your team fought all the way.

thanks man, see you guys on thursday

[DJ Mbenga]

magic can definetely beat them.

[NewJerSpur]

Collison should be a go for Game 3, if it were the Finals or the Pacers were playing for the #8 seed on the last game of the season I think he would've went back out there.

[daspurs]

Goes to show you how overrated the regular season is . This series will go 6 , and if orlando wins their series against atlanta they will beat chicago in the second round . A damn shame we probably wont see a miami-chicago ecf tbh ..

[Banzai]

I originally thought Orlando could beat them, it's still possible, but Howard's supporting cast is so unbelievably shitty, tbh..hopefully Orlando can get past Atlanta, they would give Chicago a tougher series..
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[Kyle Orton]

tbh Rose doesn't play like your typical PG though. Unlike most assist-whore PG's that you hate, rightfully so, Rose is capable of just taking over games himself. He's not gonna defer to his inferior teammates with the game on the line.

He'll have to settle for crappy shots at the end of games against a good defensive teams that can gameplan around the shortest player on the other team. either Boston or Miami will shut Rose down in the 4th quarter if Chicago makes it that far.

[Kyle Orton]

Rose also better develop a more complete offensive game in the next few years, he doesn't just rely on good athleticism to dominate, he relies on freak of nature athleticism to take over, athleticism that'll be gone by age 28.

[Ghazi]

Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, and JASON KIDD dominating the playoffs..

DOK U MAD? :lmao

[Kyle Orton]

Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, and JASON KIDD dominating the playoffs..

DOK U MAD? :lmao

None of them will be in the finals, with 1 at most being in the conference finals.

[Axe Murderer]

the reason I think PG's like Williams, Nash, Paul, etc. have failed over the years is because they always defer to much lesser guys with the game on the line (lol Gennaro Pargo) when they should just take it themselves. The difference with Rose is with the game on the line, that ball isn't coming out of his hands unless he's double teamed. He has the capability of getting a shot off against anybody so I could see him turn into the Kobe/Wade/LeBron 4th quarter closer role unlike other PGs

[Axe Murderer]

Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, and JASON KIDD dominating the playoffs..

DOK U MAD? :lmao

tbh Chris Paul didn't actually defer that game and played like the closer he's capable of being

[Ghazi]

none of them will be in the finals, with 1 at most being in the conference finals.

o ye of little faith!

We goin to the ship!

[Giuseppe]

Gee, I hope we can get some of this officiating Wednesday nite.

[Ghazi]

the reason I think PG's like Williams, Nash, Paul, etc. have failed over the years is because they always defer to much lesser guys with the game on the line (lol Gennaro Pargo) when they should just take it themselves. The difference with Rose is with the game on the line, that ball isn't coming out of his hands unless he's double teamed. He has the capability of getting a shot off against anybody so I could see him turn into the Kobe/Wade/LeBron 4th quarter closer role unlike other PGs

Williams and Paul didn't exactly fail... they've just never had great supporting casts.

Nash only failed because of Dirks injury (in dallas), a bad FO in PHX, and BS suspensions in 2007. :)

PGS ! :danceclub

[DJ Mbenga]

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[Kyle Orton]

the reason I think they've fouled is they drain the shot clock to 5 seconds then either defer or have to shoot over a much taller player. A player who's only a few inches taller than 6'0" is gonna have a nearly impossible time at the end of games getting their shot up over 7 footers guarding the rim.

it's no coincidence the 1 PG who's ever proven he can close games out in the playoffs (Magic Johnson) was 6'9". His most famous and most important shot ever was him shooting a sky hook in the most congested area of the court over two HOF 7 footers. Does anyone ever see Nash, Williams, Paul, Rose or Westbrook making a sky hook over two 7 footers in the finals? I sure as hell don't.

[Kyle Orton]

Ghazi, sometimes, you are too stupid for words.

[NewJerSpur]

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Just as bad as AOL News writing today that the #8 seeded Hornets shocked the Lakers. Someone's sleeping on the job.

[Axe Murderer]

the reason I think they've fouled is they drain the shot clock to 5 seconds then either defer or have to shoot over a much taller player. A player who's only a few inches taller than 6'0" is gonna have a nearly impossible time at the end of games getting their shot up over 7 footers guarding the rim.

it's no coincidence the 1 PG who's ever proven he can close games out in the playoffs (Magic Johnson) was 6'9". His most famous and most important shot ever was him shooting a sky hook in the most congested area of the court over two HOF 7 footers. Does anyone ever see Nash, Williams, Paul, Rose or Westbrook making a sky hook over two 7 footers in the finals? I sure as hell don't.

You're also forgetting about Isiah Thomas. When he wanted to take over scoring, he was capable of doing so despite his height. But like you said, there's a reason there's so few PGs that have had success in the playoffs. Most of them just don't have that instinct to take over games themselves when their team needs it.

No, I don't ever see Rose making a sky hook over two 7 footers but I don't see why he can't just pull up and hit a midrange jumper. Guys like Kobe and Pierce have made a career doing it.

[Kyle Orton]

You're also forgetting about Isiah Thomas. When he wanted to take over scoring, he was capable of doing so despite his height. But like you said, there's a reason there's so few PGs that have had success in the playoffs. Most of them just don't have that instinct to take over games themselves when their team needs it.

No, I don't ever see Rose making a sky hook over two 7 footers but I don't see why he can't just pull up and hit a midrange jumper. Guys like Kobe and Pierce have made a career doing it.

Kobe and Pierce are both taller and can get a mid range J up over taller defenders. When a team switches a bigger defender onto Rose at the end of games (like when Bowen would get switched onto Nash or Paul), I sure as hell don't see him pulling up and hitting a midrange J over a defender several inches taller than he is.

It's as much if not more about height as it is about instinct. I've seen Nash have the desire to take over playoff games against the Spurs countless times. What ends up happening is him dribbling the air out of the ball trying to find an opening in a defense that has already had several playoff games defending Nash and knowing what to do. Chrissy Paul didn't defer to Pargo by choice, he deferred to Pargo because San Antonio had 6 previous games to figure out how to neutralize a 6'1" player in the 4th quarter.

[Pelicans78]

Kobe and Pierce are both taller and can get a mid range J up over taller defenders. When a team switches a bigger defender onto Rose at the end of games (like when Bowen would get switched onto Nash or Paul), I sure as hell don't see him pulling up and hitting a midrange J over a defender several inches taller than he is.

It's as much if not more about height as it is about instinct. I've seen Nash have the desire to take over playoff games against the Spurs countless times. What ends up happening is him dribbling the air out of the ball trying to find an opening in a defense that has already had several playoff games defending Nash and knowing what to do. Chrissy Paul didn't defer to Pargo by choice, he deferred to Pargo because San Antonio had 6 previous games to figure out how to neutralize a 6'1" player in the 4th quarter.

Chrissy Paul deferred because he didn't have confidence in his jump shot. San Antonio limited his penetration and he didn't take advantage. Last year's CP3 before the injury would have easily thrashed that Spurs defense. He was making all of his jumpers last season. The reason why he was so successful in 2007-2008 was he had shooters around him so teams could limit his penetration, plus he could lob a pass to Chandler any time for an easy dunk. Both West and Chandler were limited in Game 7 with serious injuries and Bowen was shutting down Peja. Spurs could easily limit CP3's penetration and he couldn't make them pay with his jumpshot.

[Kyle Orton]

So what you're saying is, the Spurs were able to force Chrissy Paul into an uncomfortable situation where he had to defer?

[Pelicans78]

Paul kept abusing Bowen in that series. That's why Pop switched Parker onto Paul and left Bowen on Peja to limit his shooting. It wouldn't have mattered if West and Chandler didn't get injured in Game 5, but once they did, CP3 had to carry the team by himself and he wasn't good enough to do it. Last year's CP3 pre-injury would have won that game since he was so confident in his jumper.

[Pelicans78]

So what you're saying is, the Spurs were able to force Chrissy Paul into an uncomfortable situation where he had to defer?

Of course because he wasn't a great jumpshooter back then.

[Kyle Orton]

Of course because he wasn't a great jumpshooter back then.

Best case scenario, he's a great jump shooter, makes enough to beat San Antonio, then gets thrashed by LA in the next round against a coach who's perfected shutting down PG oriented teams.

[Pelicans78]

Rose isn't good enough to carry the Bulls to a title either. He's a great player, but not great enough IMO. His offensive game is not complete yet.

[Kyle Orton]

What's your point anyway hornets78? I can bump a thread you made basically restating my "PGs don't win championships" argument.

[Pelicans78]

Best case scenario, he's a great jump shooter, makes enough to beat San Antonio, then gets thrashed by LA in the next round against a coach who's perfected shutting down PG oriented teams.

That's only because of the supporting cast, but a healthy Hornets team would have given the Lakers alot of trouble that year. Chandler would defend Gasol without double-teaming, CP3 would dominate Fisher. The Hornets and Lakers split in the regular season. CP3 had really good shooters around him that season. He would have gone off in that series. However, I think Kobe would have been better.

Phil couldn't shut down Billups in 2004.

[Pelicans78]

What's your point anyway hornets78? I can bump a thread you made basically restating my "PGs don't win championships" argument.

Its true most of the time, but there have been exceptions.

Really, regardless of position, it takes a complete player to lead a team to a championship. Neither Nash, CP3, and Rose right now haven't been complete players. Plus, they didn't have a good enough cast either. Nash had better supporting casts than the other two, but probably not good enough except maybe in 2007 and last year's team.

[Kyle Orton]

Phil couldn't shut down Billups in 2004.

:lol bringing up the fluke example. Yeah, against a front court of Shaq and Slava fuckin Medvedenko, Billups was able to pick and roll them to death. Do you want me to bump the thread you made agreeing with everything I've said in this thread or not?

[Kyle Orton]

Its true most of the time, but there have been exceptions.

Really, regardless of position, it takes a complete player to lead a team to a championship. Neither Nash, CP3, and Rose right now haven't been complete players. Plus, they didn't have a good enough cast either. Nash had better supporting casts than the other two, but probably not good enough except maybe in 2007 and last year's team.

A good enough cast would mean Nash and CP3 aren't the 1st option on their team.

[Pelicans78]

:lol bringing up the fluke example. Yeah, against a front court of Shaq and Slava fuckin Medvedenko, Billups was able to pick and roll them to death. Do you want me to bump the thread you made agreeing with everything I've said in this thread or not?

I'm fine with you bumping whatever you want and I did make that statement, especially when Paul and the Hornets were struggling in general, but I do think if Rose was a complete offensive player, he could lead this Bulls team to a Finals run. However, he's not and that's why they're probably going to lose to the Heat or even the Celtics. I have the Heat in the Finals.

I do think a complete player, regardless of position can lead a team to a championship. However, every team needs a good supporting cast.

[Kyle Orton]

A complete player is a player who can get a high percentage shot off at the end of games. 90+% of players 6'4" and under can't do that.

[Pelicans78]

A good enough cast would mean Nash and CP3 aren't the 1st option on their team.

That's probably true, but I do think last year's CP3 had reached the point where he could take over games consistently. His supporting cast stunk, but the Hornets were a playoff team before his injury and he was having a monster season.

It really depends if a PG can take over games late which some are capable of doing. Honestly, I don't even consider Rose a true PG. He doesn't create for his teammates that well. He's a SG who dominates the ball every position.

[Pelicans78]

A complete player is a player who can get a high percentage shot off at the end of games. 90+% of players 6'4" and under can't do that.

That's why the exceptional players are the exceptions. Maybe Rose can be that guy. I don't think it will happen this season, but maybe in the future. However, his supporting cast could worsen as well. He won't be able to beat the Heat right now since his jumpshot isn't consistent enough. Plus, Lebron and Wade are both better passers than him.

[Tinystarz]

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[Giuseppe]

^This is the fuck.

Ya asshole.

[Tinystarz]

jelly jelly



0-1
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[Giuseppe]

Motherf'er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tinystarz]

after game two u can at least say 1-1...pray to stern he fixed you up a nice laker win cause if not...

well


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lakers

[SourCandy]

frenzy was right I guess. Calm down cubby you letting a girl get to you. :wakeup

[Giuseppe]

frenzy was right I guess. Calm down cubby you letting a girl get to you. :wakeup

That asshole and his giggling dog.

Fuck him.

[Tinystarz]

:rolleyes