I hate them both, but The Rapist > Grandpa Duncan

[rayjayjohnson]

Can't believ people still argue about this.

Rapey McBryant is top ten all time.

Jim is probably top 15

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 5

The old tired shit bag: 4

[HarlemHeat37]

They're both easily in the top 10, I'd have Duncan 1 spot ahead, but I'm biased, obviously..

:lol People that put guys like Jerry West ahead of today's legends..

[rayjayjohnson]

HH is right. Jerry West? White men can't jump ffs

[Giuseppe]

Hell,

D. Fish: 5 & 4/10th

The old tired shit bag: 4

[rayjayjohnson]

I wonder if Duncan has a D&D plus 4 ring of destruction

[Leetonidas]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1105365&start=30

A lot of people have Duncan between 6-8 all-time, usually around #7 from what I read and and he is also above Kobe on most people's list.

Most people know Kobe is a jump-shooting ballhog that needs 30 shots to score 30 points and great benefited from having a top 10 player all-time and probably the most dominant offensive force the NBA has ever seen at his peak, as well as a top 3 PF in today's NBA and a top 3 center.

[rayjayjohnson]

And lots of people voted for bush. What's your point?

[Giuseppe]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1105365&start=30

A lot of people have Duncan between 6-8.

He's a tired old shit bag, Lee, and he trails Kobe 5-4.

Now, put that in your smoke and pipe it, you prick, you.

You wanna dance, motherf'er?

[Giuseppe]

And lots of people voted for bush. What's your point?

That we like $2.00 a gallon gas instead of $4.00 a gallon gas with Hussein Obama.

[rayjayjohnson]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1105365&start=30

A lot of people have Duncan between 6-8 all-time, usually around #7 from what I read and and he is also above Kobe on most people's list.

Most people know Kobe is a jump-shooting ballhog that needs 30 shots to score 30 points and great benefited from having a top 10 player all-time and probably the most dominant offensive force the NBA has ever seen at his peak, as well as a top 3 PF in today's NBA and a top 3 center.

And like I care about another Internet forum. People on this stupid forum think the spurs are contenders.

[Fpoonsie]

Can't believ people still argue about this.

Then why start a thread about it?

[Giuseppe]

And like I care about another Internet forum. People on this stupid forum think the spurs are contenders.

Lee doesn't know shit from apple butter about basketball.

[rayjayjohnson]

That we like $2.00 a gallon gas instead of $4.00 a gallon gas with Hussein Obama.

I imagine high gas prices are important when you have drive all that way to get your welfare payments.

[ElNono]

I can see where rayray would be butthurt... they both destroyed Denver time and again...

[Leetonidas]

He's a tired old shit bag, Lee, and he trails Kobe 5-4.

Now, put that in your smoke and pipe it, you prick, you.

You wanna dance, motherf'er?

I guess then that Sam Jones, Tom Heinsohn, KC Jones, Satch Sanders, John Havlicek, Jim Loscutoff, Frank Ramsey, Robert Horry, Bob Cousy, and Scottie Pippen are all better players than Mr. Rapist

[Giuseppe]

I guess then that Sam Jones, Tom Heinsohn, KC Jones, Satch Sanders, John Havlicek, Jim Loscutoff, Frank Ramsey, Robert Horry, Bob Cousy, and Scottie Pippen are all better players than Mr. Rapist

I'm talkin' about the tired old shit bag Duncan, and the rapist Kobe...

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Let's dance, motherf'er.

[badfish22]

Duncan>Kobe

[Amaso]

Hard to rank players across different generations since there's different rules, different opponents, different teammates, different positions and just different circumstances overall. I just generally group players based on where I can't distinctly separate the overall greatness of someone. There's some fuzzyness on my tier list too and the difference between the groups is minimal at best at this level of greatness

MJ

Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Wilt

Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Bill Russel, Bird

dont really feel like naming anymore and im sure i missed someone who deserves to be mentioned with those guys above

[Giuseppe]

Team: Dallas Mavericks

:lmao

[Giuseppe]

Team: Los Angeles Lakers

:lobt:x 16

[Killakobe81]

Duncan>Kobe

Of course you would think so ... duncan has owned you pretenders ...Kobe has yet to plant his foot in the Mavs ass.
Thing is he is past his prime but yall will get a taste of it next round assuming we both handle our business.

Compare Kobe this year when the Mavs and Lakers meet in round 2 vs. what Duncan gave you last year and tell me what you think?

[NBAfan83]

Of course you would think so ... duncan has owned you pretenders ...Kobe has yet to plant his foot in the Mavs ass.
Thing is he is past his prime but yall will get a taste of it next round assuming we both handle our business.

Compare Kobe this year when the Mavs and Lakers meet in vs. what Duncan gave you last year and tell me what you think?

fair weather laker fan. Why can't you be more like luva.

[JJ Hickson]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1105365&start=30

A lot of people have Duncan between 6-8 all-time, usually around #7 from what I read and and he is also above Kobe on most people's list.



Did you really just cite a real GM thread? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Ghazi]

Of course you would think so ... duncan has owned you pretenders ...Kobe has yet to plant his foot in the Mavs ass.
Thing is he is past his prime but yall will get a taste of it next round assuming we both handle our business.

Compare Kobe this year when the Mavs and Lakers meet in round 2 vs. what Duncan gave you last year and tell me what you think?

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

[LnGrrrR]

Depending on how this postseason plays out, Kobe is probably top 5 by the end of this season.

Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Hakeem, ... then who else? Kobe probably gets slotted fifth.

Edit: Forgot Wilt. Probably put him after Kareem.

[rayjayjohnson]

Bird over Kobe imo

[rayjayjohnson]

Magic too

[Killakobe81]

I don't have Hakeem that high.

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Hakeem
Duncan
Shaq
Malone

People will argue Russell and Oscar being top ten, but imagine if Malone or Magic played in their era's.:wow

My list again since 1980

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Hakeem
Duncan
Shaq

[Fpoonsie]

I don't have Hakeem that high.

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Hakeem
Duncan
Shaq
Malone

People will argue Russell and Oscar being top ten, but imagine if Malone or Magic played in their era's.:wow

:lol It's weird seeing you go out of character...if only for a sec.

[Pelicans78]

My list since 1985

Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Peja
Kareem
Dream
Snaq
Malone.

[TheMACHINE]

I imagine high gas prices are important when you have drive all that way to get your welfare payments.

welfare...socialism...same thing.

[4>0rings]

I don't have Hakeem that high.

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Hakeem
Duncan
Shaq
Malone

People will argue Russell and Oscar being top ten, but imagine if Malone or Magic played in their era's.:wow
Shut your Ghost of Gashir ass up, bitch.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't have Hakeem that high.

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Hakeem
Duncan
Shaq
Malone

People will argue Russell and Oscar being top ten, but imagine if Malone or Magic played in their era's.:wow

It's hard to compare eras. Heck, look at the Boston Marathon today... The guy ran it in 2 hrs 3 mins! That's insane.

But that doesn't mean that the runners setting records in the 50s and 60s were "slow". With time comes advanced knowledge, technology, specialization, etc etc.

If you're talking head to head, then yeah, they're out of the running no question. But I think "all time" should include achievements in ones era. I think that's why Jordan will always be the greatest, because he just dominated nearly all competition in the 90s.

[ElNono]

Kobe is not even top 10 of his generation...

1) Duncan
2) Lebron
3) Robinson
4) Shaq (Oden should've been here, tbh)
5) Horry
6) Pierce
7) Kerr
8) Dirk
9) Neal
10) Iverson

[rayjayjohnson]

Kobe is not even top 10 of his generation...

1) Duncan
2) Lebron
3) Robinson
4) Shaq (Oden should've been here, tbh)
5) Horry
6) Pierce
7) Kerr
8) Dirk
9) Neal
10) Iverson

is this one of those moments when i make an ass out of myself and not realise when someone is being sarcastic?

EDIT: neal. right, ass i made of myself.

[Nathan89]

Someone please tell me why Wilt is being rated higher than Russell. Russell can't even crack the top ten list?

[Ashy Larry]

Team: Dallas Mavericks

:lmao





1 X :lobt: - backdoor sweep = 0

[TE]

:lol It's weird seeing you go out of character...if only for a sec.

[Man In Black]

Team: Los Angeles Lakers

:lobt:x 16


If you're going to come correct. Los Angeles Lakers have only 11 titles. There's a Blue banner in Staples that shows that Minneapolis got 5 on their own.


Duncan's game is effective in ANY era. Bean's only good when he has a dominant big to help him. Duncan the best to ever play his position. Bean can't get any higher than #2...no matter what he does. :lmao

[badfish22]

Of course you would think so ... duncan has owned you pretenders ...Kobe has yet to plant his foot in the Mavs ass.
Thing is he is past his prime but yall will get a taste of it next round assuming we both handle our business.

Compare Kobe this year when the Mavs and Lakers meet in round 2 vs. what Duncan gave you last year and tell me what you think?

Well of course Kobe is better than what Duncan is now you fucktard. We're talking career wise here, and career wise Duncan>Kobe.

[Sisk]

That we like $2.00 a gallon gas instead of $4.00 a gallon gas with Hussein Obama.

:lol

[TE]

:lol

Your sig. :lol

I remember that comment from the game blog. Guy was insanely pist off!! :lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Legacy wise, I have Russell at #1, and no one is even close. Shit, the guy even coached a few of his own titles if I remember correct. I just don't think he had the skills of the other guys mentioned in the top 10. One of the greatest competitors in all of sports for sure.

:toast

[ogait]

Spurs would be 0 & forever if Kobe was their franchise player instead Duncan.

[rayjayjohnson]

Only because the spurs won during a time that size mattered.

[LkrFan]

And lots of people voted for bush. What's your point?

:lmao

[Giuseppe]

If you're going to come correct. Los Angeles Lakers have only 11 titles. There's a Blue banner in Staples that shows that Minneapolis got 5 on their own.

16 x :lobt:

[LkrFan]

Bird over Kobe imo

WTF? :lol

[Giuseppe]

Spurs would be 0 & forever if Kobe was their franchise player instead Duncan.


But, that ain't what happened...

Kobe: 5

The old tired shit bag Duncan: 4

[LkrFan]

Kobe is not even top 10 of his generation...

1) Duncan
2) Lebron
3) Robinson
4) Shaq (Oden should've been here, tbh)
5) Horry
6) Pierce
7) Kerr
8) Dirk
9) Neal
10) Iverson

Choo-Choo Neal? :lol

[ogait]

Only because the spurs won during a time that size mattered.

I'm not even sure what you mean by that. But that's got be one of the most retarded arguments ever.
When did size not mattered?

[LkrFan]

If you're going to come correct. Los Angeles Lakers have only 11 titles. There's a Blue banner in Staples that shows that Minneapolis got 5 on their own.
They are credited with 16 because it is the SAME FRANCHISE that won all 16 you dipshit. The only team that gets an "*" is the Sp*rs due to their 1999 "title". :lol


Duncan's game is effective in ANY era.
Bullshit. If Duncan played in the '80s, he's Brad Daugherty. And last I checked, Daugherty didn't win SHIT. Neal with it.


Bean's only good when he has a dominant big to help him.
Dumb-shit. Kobe would have made the HOF with or with Shaq/Pau as teammates. You can debate on whether he would have won titles without them, but you cannot deny his talent/greatness.


Duncan the best to ever play his position. Bean can't get any higher than #2...no matter what he does. :lmao
Ignorant-shit. It depends on who you ask. Both of those statements are debatable. Especially if Kobe wins #7 (which he has a great chance to achieve). If Kobe wins #7 to MJ's 6, the debate is overPERIOD.

[Giuseppe]

Bend over, I'll show where some f'in size matters.

[ogait]

But, that ain't what happened...

Kobe: 5

The old tired shit bag Duncan: 4

And I'm happy with that.

If it was the other way arround, we would have you here with something like

Duncan 7
Kobe 0

Or
Lakers 18 :lobt2:
Spurs 0 & forever

[Giuseppe]

And I'm happy with that.

If it was the other way arround, we would have you here with something like

Duncan 7
Kobe 0

Or
Lakers 18 :lobt2:
Spurs 0 & forever

You got your 4.

We got our 16.

Kobe has his 5.

Duncan has his 4.

[rayjayjohnson]

I'm not even sure what you mean by that. But that's got be one of the most retarded arguments ever.
When did size not mattered?

Sorry, who is the retard?

[Leetonidas]

Did you really just cite a real GM thread? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Do you even know what cite means? :lmao

I just posted a link to a thread where people are having a similar discussion to show how Duncan stacks up against Bryant on bball fan's GOAT lists.

[Leetonidas]

Sorry, who is the retard?

You're attempting to make an argument that the Spurs only won because they had size in an era where size mattered (which is fucking retarded to say at all in itself) so...you are. :lmao

[Sisk]

Your sig. :lol

I remember that comment from the game blog. Guy was insanely pist off!! :lmao

Reminded me of DMX7 when he made the "fuck tim duncan" thread. I had to put that in my sig for a while too. :lol

[Sportcamper]

All-Time NBA Top 5 List… (Time to get real you Homers)…
1-Wilt Chamberlain
2- Magic Johnson
3- Kareem
4- Kobe Bean Bryant
5- Jerry West

[Muser]

How ironic of you.

[Reck]

LOL hate.

As if you personally know them.

[Ashy Larry]

All-Time NBA Top 5 List… (Time to get real you Homers)…
1-Wilt Chamberlain
2- Magic Johnson
3- Kareem
4- Kobe Bean Bryant
5- Jerry West



:rollin

[SourCandy]

You guys are on the verge of heart attacks :lol

[Giuseppe]

You guys are on the verge of heart attacks :lol

Bend over. I'll give a f'in' heart attack.

[Tinystarz]

http://i54.tinypic.com/b8x100.gif


lakers

[Fpoonsie]

http://i54.tinypic.com/b8x100.gif


lakers

[ohmwrecker]

Bend over. I'll give a f'in' heart attack.

She would die laughing.

[Giuseppe]

She would die laughing.

& I'd die incapably. I'd bring my rubber mallet and beat that thing until it filled with blood.

& I don't care if it took all day.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

So many truf bombs dropped in this thread. lol spurs

[z0sa]

So many truf bombs dropped in this thread. lol spurs

It'd be hilarious watching you try to shoot the hand cannon in your sig, methinks.

[NBAfan83]

& I'd die incapably. I'd bring my rubber mallet and beat that thing until it filled with blood.

& I don't care if it took all day.

how do you have 15,000 posts by now, didn't you just start this new one last year?

[Giuseppe]

how do you have 15,000 posts by now, didn't you just start this new one last year?

You stooping to asking me a question. That's rich.

I'll choose the date, time and inquisitor when I decide to take an exam.

Go check your tired old shit bag Duncan for pulse, ya hump, you.

[TampaDude]

Wow...sounds like the Fakerfans are all butthurt over the recent CP3 rapeage... :lmao

[NBAfan83]

You stooping to asking me a question. That's rich.

I'll choose the date, time and inquisitor when I decide to take an exam.

Go check your tired old shit bag Duncan for pulse, ya hump, you.

It was an honest question actually, simple even, but I guess sometimes those are the ones that are the scariest.

Yeah Duncan is old in basketball terms, but he's a pretty smart player, which is why even though his contributions are limited, he's still making the right plays most of the time. Kobe's the same way, his smarts will get him far, but he's still immature, and to be honest if you think about it, people who don't mature when their 32 or 33 are probably never going to mature or have a hard time doing it.

If your a team player when your young, it's easier to be a team player till your older. If your selfish when your 30+, your most likely to be selfish till your 40+.

Which is why Shaq if you think about it, is MUCH MUCH more mature than Kobe, from a basketball point of view. Heck even KG, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are the same, because they are willing to take a back seat, and let the game come to them.

[Giuseppe]

Wow...sounds like the Fakerfans are all butthurt over the recent CP3 rapeage... :lmao

At least this one. I don't do silver lining, silk purse into sow's ear malarkey.

It's my religion.

[TampaDude]

At least this one. I don't do silver lining, silk purse into sow's ear malarkey.

It's my religion.

Yup...I feel ya, bro...a loss is a loss...gotta win the next one. :toast

[Veterinarian]

I think dropping about 200 shit posts a day is your real religion.

[Giuseppe]

Which is why Shaq if you think about it, is MUCH MUCH more mature than Kobe, from a basketball point of view. Heck even KG, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are the same, because they are willing to take a back seat, and let the game come to them.

Kobe: 5

Daddy: 4

& Bryant left messrs KG, Pierce and Allen where he found 'em.

[TampaDude]

I think dropping about 200 shit posts a day is your real religion.

:lol

[Giuseppe]

I think dropping about 200 shit posts a day is your real religion.

I musta done something right else you wouldn't a PM'ed me begging for me to come down and save you from DUNCAN.

ha!

[Giuseppe]

:lol

Tamps, gettin' his conflicted on.

ha!

[dunkman]

Hard to rank players across different generations since there's different rules, different opponents, different teammates, different positions and just different circumstances overall. I just generally group players based on where I can't distinctly separate the overall greatness of someone. There's some fuzzyness on my tier list too and the difference between the groups is minimal at best at this level of greatness

MJ

Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Wilt

Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Bill Russel, Bird

dont really feel like naming anymore and im sure i missed someone who deserves to be mentioned with those guys above

When was MJ better than Magic? Or when was Magic better than Bird? How Kobe had better career than Shaq so far? Or Duncan? Ridiculous.

[TampaDude]

Tamps, gettin' his conflicted on.

ha!

No conflict at all. I agree with calling a loss a loss. That doesn't change the fact that you drop a metric shit ton of shitty posts every day. Are you getting paid by the post or something? :lol

[Giuseppe]

When was MJ better than Magic? Or when was Magic better than Bird? How Kobe had better career than Shaq so far? Or Duncan? Ridiculous.

I go by numbers:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4
Daddy: 4
Bird: 3
MJ: 6

We went by numbers when Kobe had: 3. Motherf'ers, we're goin' by numbers ever more.

[Veterinarian]

It must be hard to rape a six year old.

Otherwise it doesn't go in properly.

tee, hee

[NBAfan83]

Kobe: 5

Daddy: 4

& Bryant left messrs KG, Pierce and Allen where he found 'em.

Yeah, but I was talking about maturity. In that sense, kobe has a ways to go, don't you agree.

[Giuseppe]

No conflict at all. I agree with calling a loss a loss. That doesn't change the fact that you drop a metric shit ton of shitty posts every day. Are you getting paid by the post or something? :lol

Who gives a shit? It's a Board. One is supposed to post. Where is the limit rule?

[Zelophehad]

That we like $2.00 a gallon gas instead of $4.00 a gallon gas with Hussein Obama.

Are you one of those Tea Party fags?

Serious question.

[NBAfan83]

I go by numbers:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4
Daddy: 4
Bird: 3
MJ: 6

We went by numbers when Kobe had: 3. Motherf'ers, we're goin' by numbers ever more.

Are you a Kobe fan or a Laker fan?

i'm actually curious. You seem to care more about individuality than the team itself.

[Giuseppe]

Yeah, but I was talking about maturity. In that sense, kobe has a ways to go, don't you agree.

Yeah, he's got the maturity of a 5 year old.

And I know it. And he don't care. He's hunting Jordan. And if he has to change uniforms to climb over him...

- "No problem."

- "Ace" - "Stand by Me"

[NBAfan83]

Yeah, he's got the maturity of a 5 year old.

And I know it. And he don't care. He's hunting Jordan. And if he has to change uniforms to climb over him...

- "No problem."

- "Ace" - "Stand by Me"

In that sense I'm right I guess, and you agreed.

But the thing is cully, your obviously a numbers guy a stat guy, with all your duncan 4 kobe 5 shtick. So I know you'll appreciate that even if KObe get's 10 to MJ's 6, nobody will feel KObe is better than MJ, that's just human nature. It's hard to convince people to change their basketball Gods, much less their religion.

[Giuseppe]

Are you a Kobe fan or a Laker fan?

i'm actually curious. You seem to care more about individuality than the team itself.

Both.

I like the fact that Bryant rang twice to trump Daddy and then dropped the hammer at the news conference last June 17th. I love the fact that he rang and cut Media off at the pass after Colorado. They were gonna high tech lynch him outta Colorado by now if he hadn't rung. And you know what else? Bryant knew it.

And I'd love to get face-to-face with that glorious bastard long enough to tell him I know that he knew and he fucked 'em.

I love the fact that he's hunting Jordan. That he realizes that 7 is better than 6 and that is all he can do. Let "them" discuss it. He'll have the number. I love the fact that that is enough for Bryant.

Yeah, I'm a Bryant fan.

[Giuseppe]

In that sense I'm right I guess, and you agreed.

But the thing is cully, your obviously a numbers guy a stat guy, with all your duncan 4 kobe 5 shtick. So I know you'll appreciate that even if KObe get's 10 to MJ's 6, nobody will feel KObe is better than MJ, that's just human nature. It's hard to convince people to change their basketball Gods, much less their religion.

I address your pont in my prior post. Lodged it before I read the above. All Bryant can do is get to 7. He's intelligent enough & pathological enough to find true contentment with the raw total 7-6. He can enter his house justified at 7-6.

[dunkman]

The organizations win championships, they later deliver the rings to the players on the playoffs roster.

Kobe wasn't the Lakers best player for the three-peat, neither was Shaq the best player of the Heat in 2006.

Duncan was the Spurs best player for the 4 Spurs championships. This year that probably won't be the case though.

[NBAfan83]

Both.

I like the fact that Bryant rang twice to trump Daddy and then dropped the hammer at the news conference last June 17th. I love the fact that he rang and cut Media off at the pass after Colorado. They were gonna high tech lynch him outta Colorado by now if he hadn't rung. And you know what else? Bryant knew it.

And I'd love to get face-to-face with that glorious bastard long enough to tell him I know that he knew and he fucked 'em.

I love the fact that he's hunting Jordan. That he realizes that 7 is better than 6 and that is all he can do. Let "them" discuss it. He'll have the number. I love the fact that that is enough for Bryant.

Yeah, I'm a Bryant fan.

Hmmm, It can be misconstrued then that you admire men who can overcome adversity regardless of how shitty their luck has been. Is this because of something that happened to someone you knew or yourself?

Hey that's good that your admire him, I mean even the Jordan apologist don't mention his obvious flaw as a person when defending Jordan, so your just being a Kobe apologist which is cool really. Your his fan so you gotta defend him no matter what. All your posts makes more sense now to be honest.

Still... I'm curious do you enjoy toying with people obviously not your intellectual equal?

[Giuseppe]

The organizations win championships, they later deliver the rings to the players on the playoffs roster.

Kobe wasn't the Lakers best player for the three-peat, neither was Shaq the best player of the Heat in 2006.

Duncan was the Spurs best player for the 4 Spurs championships. This year that probably won't be the case though.

It was 4-3 raw advantage Duncan....By God we're goin' forth in the same manner:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[LnGrrrR]

I go by numbers:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4
Daddy: 4
Bird: 3
MJ: 6

We went by numbers when Kobe had: 3. Motherf'ers, we're goin' by numbers ever more.

You forgot Russell: 11 :D :toast

[NBAfan83]

I address your pont in my prior post. Lodged it before I read the above. All Bryant can do is get to 7. He's intelligent enough & pathological enough to find true contentment with the raw total 7-6. He can enter his house justified at 7-6.

Well he certainly has the time to do it. Just like Lebron james has lots of times to at least win more than magic johnson, (who btw is his real comparison, not Jordan).

[NBAfan83]

You forgot Russell: 11 :D :toast

Yeah, but it's not the same.

[LnGrrrR]

I address your pont in my prior post. Lodged it before I read the above. All Bryant can do is get to 7. He's intelligent enough & pathological enough to find true contentment with the raw total 7-6. He can enter his house justified at 7-6.

That drive to win Kobe has is equal parts scary and admirable.

[Giuseppe]

Hmmm, It can be misconstrued then that you admire men who can overcome adversity regardless of how shitty their luck has been. Is this because of something that happened to someone you knew or yourself?

Hey that's good that your admire him, I mean even the Jordan apologist don't mention his obvious flaw as a person when defending Jordan, so your just being a Kobe apologist which is cool really. Your his fan so you gotta defend him no matter what. All your posts makes more sense now to be honest.

Still... I'm curious do you enjoy toying with people obviously not your intellectual equal?

I don't apologize for Kobe:::he raped. He quit in the Phoenix series. He ratted out Daddy. I wish he'd follow Artest and make a clean breast of his sins. He won't.

We all fight our battles.

[Tinystarz]

Kobe: 5
MJ: 6





would u be mad if it was lakers and bulls in the finals and rose goes jordan on the lakes

























http://i54.tinypic.com/b8x100.gif

[LnGrrrR]

Yeah, but it's not the same.

I know; I'm just having fun.

[Lefty's understudy]

Jordan 6

Kobe 5

6+5=11

So Jordan and Kobe combined equal RussellPERIOD

[Rummpd]

Duncan top 8 and by consensus best at this position - Bryant who has never led a team without substantial talent anywhere is borderline top ten period.

Kobe by the way is a non gaudy #17 in PER all time NBA as well, while Duncan whose teams also have a higher winning percentage is top ten (9th).

PER is not a perfect stat but since Duncan has also been better defender during his career and is also top ten all time blocks, come back with a real arguement. Duncan is the better and more accomplished all around NBA player.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

I do not hate either by the way, just hate Bryant's actions especially his putting himself into the Denver situation - even though it was not enough to convict for rape it was enough for a civil settlement. The fact that the NBA is using Kobe in commercials is a sad commentary on values and the fact that any father would buy a jersey for his kid of Kobe reflects on different values than I have (my boy will never wear a KB jersey as long as he lives in my house).

[NBAfan83]

I don't apologize for Kobe:::he raped. He quit in the Phoenix series. He ratted out Daddy. I wish he'd follow Artest and make a clean breast of his sins. He won't.

We all fight our battles.

So if that's the case, you must have liked Jordan before you liked Kobe then, if all your loving is the amount of wins, or how he dominated, you should love Jordan, maybe not as much as Kobe, but at least close to it.

[Giuseppe]

would u be mad if it was lakers and bulls in the finals and rose goes jordan on the lakes

Of course. I don't hide my happiness. I don't hide my misery.

It's my religion.

























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[NBAfan83]

Duncan top 8 and by consensus best at this position - Bryant who has never led a team without substantial talent anywhere is borderline top ten period.

If you think, LBJ is top ten all time, and a lot of people already think that, then Kobe has to be top ten at least, because at this point he's better than LBJ.

[Giuseppe]

So if that's the case, you must have liked Jordan before you liked Kobe then, if all your loving is the amount of wins, or how he dominated, you should love Jordan, maybe not as much as Kobe, but at least close to it.

No. Jordan was a means to an end. He kept the Suns out. I'll forever be indebted to him for that.

[dunkman]

It was 4-3 raw advantage Duncan....By God we're goin' forth in the same manner:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Horry with 7 would be condered much better player than both, if your reasoning were right.

However, Horry rode the Hakeem's coat tail for 2 championships, then he rode Shaq's coat tail (as did Kobe) for another 3 ch, finally he rode Duncan's coat tail for another 2 ch.

Kobe was a great robin for the three-peat as Horry was a great role player. Neither can compare with Duncan.

[NBAfan83]

No. Jordan was a means to an end. He kept the Suns out. I'll forever be indebted to him for that.

Why do you hate the suns so much, i'm curious. Don't get me wrong it's funny, but why though.

Did you follow them for years only to see nothing?

Is DOK destined to be a laker fan then? or Kobe fan at least?

[Giuseppe]

Horry with 7 would be condered much better player than both, if your reasoning were right.

However, Horry rode the Hakeem's coat tail for 2 championships, then he rode Shaq's coat tail (as did Kobe) for another 3 ch, finally he rode Duncan's coat tail for another 2 ch.

Kobe was a great robin for the three-peat as Horry is was a great role player. Neither can compare with Duncan.

Fine. You do the Horry one. I'm stickin' with:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[LnGrrrR]

Seriously, every Spurfan who thinks that Kobe is nowhere near Duncan on the "All-time" great list should just be demoted to GNSF status.

[Giuseppe]

Why do you hate the suns so much, i'm curious. Don't get me wrong it's funny, but why though.

I don't know, it's a mystery as to the origin. I just do. I hate those fucks.

[Rummpd]

Kobe for whatever you think of him also has to have had the worst shooting percentage of a finals MVP ever 6 for 24 with brick after brick after brick and the Lakers basically won in spite of him (although he did grab a bunch of rebounds). LOL at that MVP finals game clinching "non" performance probably the most nebulous of all time!

[TampaDude]

Why do you hate the suns so much, i'm curious. Don't get me wrong it's funny, but why though.

Did you follow them for years only to see nothing?


I wonder if it's like meeting the girl next door, and she's so beautiful and intelligent, and you think wow I really got something here, and then she refuses to sleep with you, and your whole image of her is blown. Now she's no longer your dream girl...she's just another fucking tease...and you loathe her for that.

[Zelophehad]

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Great post. Say btw does anyone know whatever happened to that poster called Quit Hatin'?

[Tinystarz]

i love jordan n rose :)

[jag]

I think dropping about 200 shit posts a day is your real religion.

5 star post. Would read again

[Zelophehad]

Kobe for whatever you think of him also has to have had the worst shooting percentage of a finals MVP ever 6 for 24 with brick after brick after brick and the Lakers basically won in spite of him (although he did grab a bunch of rebounds). LOL at that MVP finals game clinching "non" performance probably the most nebulous of all time!

Rummpd with the goods.

He missed so many shots it was mind boggling :wow

[Rummpd]

Seriously, every Spurfan who thinks that Kobe is nowhere near Duncan on the "All-time" great list should just be demoted to GNSF status.

He is in the ball park for sure just a handful of spots beneath Duncan with Kobe's pisspoor PER, over-rated pseudo clutch stats (see ESPN articles about that) and his carpet bagging onto Shaq, Gasol/Odom/Bynum for titles.

Kobe with the teams Duncan had may never have won a single title, but surely he would never have gotten 4 - he is just not as dominant all around as Duncan was.

[Giuseppe]

5 star post. Would read again

- "Yeah, you bastards, I'm still here."

- "Papillon" - "Papillon"

[NBAfan83]

Honestly if Duncan had gone to the Celtics, he probably would have gone back to back by now and have won more championships.

Duncan's a great player on a mediocre team that had a stubborn front office who chose to draft Europeans who look better thanks to Duncan.

[Veterinarian]

He is in the ball park for sure just a handful of spots beneath Duncan with Kobe's pisspoor PER, over-rated pseudo clutch stats (see ESPN articles about that) and his carpet bagging onto Shaq, Gasol/Odom/Bynum for titles.

Kobe with the teams Duncan had may never have won a single title, but surely he would never have gotten 4 - he is just not as dominant all around as Duncan was.

Another Rummpd classic

[Rummpd]

- "Yeah, you bastards, I'm still here."

- "Papillon" - "Papillon"


Yeh because there is no salient arguement Kobe is superior except for spurious 5 titles arguement = the undisputed fact he was the 2nd option on three titles and could not deliver any more until Gasol came aboard but somehow those "5" titles outweigh Duncan's more substantial contribution to 4 - 3 at least as the undisputed main man. B.S. to that arguement.

[NBAfan83]

He is in the ball park for sure just a handful of spots beneath Duncan with Kobe's pisspoor PER, over-rated pseudo clutch stats (see ESPN articles about that) and his carpet bagging onto Shaq, Gasol/Odom/Bynum for titles.

Kobe with the teams Duncan had may never have won a single title.

That is very true, Kobe might not have won as much, but definitely he wouldn't have the impact Duncan has on the spurs.

But this is the world we live in where people like Dwight Howard win 3 straight defensive player of the year awards for his lazy defense.

People like Kobe is the best thing we will ever see to a player like MJ.

[Giuseppe]

Yeh because there is no salient arguement Kobe is superior except for the fact he was the 2nd option on three titles and could not deliver another until Gasol came aboard.

At:::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 4

We didn't a peep. The silence was deafening.

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

And that's just the way it's gonna be.

[NBAfan83]

Yeh because there is no salient arguement Kobe is superior except for spurious 5 titles arguement = the undisputed fact he was the 2nd option on three titles and could not deliver any more until Gasol came aboard but somehow those "5" titles outweigh Duncan's more substantial contribution to 4 - 3 at least as the undisputed main man. B.S. to that arguement.

One interesting way to see it is this...

for the Spurs, the Leader of the team, Duncan, is silent and efficient, he just does his job and keeps silent about it. Not really screaming, punching team mates leading them to victory, that was Pop's Job.

For the Lakers, the leader of the team, Kobe, is flashy, loud and expects the best from his team mates to the point of screaming at them and punching at them. While PJ, is silent and let's these things happen.

So in conclusion we see that the Bench leader role can only garner 4 rings, while a floor leader can garner 5.

[Zelophehad]

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-Kori Ellis

[Isitjustme?]

Most NBA analysts into those new advanced statistics think Duncan is better than Kobe.

[Giuseppe]

One interesting way to see it is this...

for the Spurs, the Leader of the team, Duncan, is silent and efficient, he just does his job and keeps silent about it. Not really screaming, punching team mates leading them to victory, that was Pop's Job.

For the Lakers, the leader of the team, Kobe, is flashy, loud and expects the best from his team mates to the point of screaming at them and punching at them. While PJ, is silent and let's these things happen.

So in conclusion we see that the Bench leader role can only garner 4 rings, while a floor leader can garner 5.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[Isitjustme?]

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Great point. Maybe you should make it a few more times...

[Giuseppe]

Great point. Maybe you should make it a few more times...

You wanna dance, motherf'er?

[Isitjustme?]

You wanna dance, motherf'er?

Sure, might be the fastest way for you to reach that 200 post a day quota anyways.

[Spurs rock]

Shaq > Duncan > Kobe

[nkdlunch]

Sure, might be the fastest way for you to reach that 200 post a day quota anyways.

:lol

[Giuseppe]

Sure, might be the fastest way for you to reach that 200 post a day quota anyways.

Well, when Kool gets back from holiday we'll dance. That you count on.

Next!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Isitjustme?]

Giuseppe on the toilet...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnpgsEMOgP_Tt98gN9Th2K1-SAI5iQwhe7B-e6dRjq_pzWh_S0

[Giuseppe]

Shaq > Duncan > Kobe

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

[LkrFan]

Shaq > Duncan > Kobe

:lol

[Giuseppe]

Post Count: 15,089

Hell, I'd have at least 5 stacks of high society if I hadn't a lost my way that time.

[Isitjustme?]

It was like 13 something just the other day...

[Giuseppe]

It was like 13 something just the other day...

The old lady is out of town down to Tucson. I got carte blanche till Saturday morning.

I can go ahead and scream. Ain't nobody gonna hear me.

[Greg Oden]

Post Count: 15,089

Hell, I'd have at least 5 stacks of high society if I hadn't a lost my way that time.

and that was nobody's fault but your own.

[Giuseppe]

and that was nobody's fault but your own.

Yep, that was the first time I misjudged Her.

[Spurs rock]

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

Shaq- 3

Duncan- 3

Kobe- 2

[Giuseppe]

Shaq- 3

Duncan- 3

Kobe- 2

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[rayjayjohnson]

Top three rapists:

Kobe
Neal
Marv Albert

[SomeCallMeTim]

Kobe for whatever you think of him also has to have had the worst shooting percentage of a finals MVP ever 6 for 24 with brick after brick after brick and the Lakers basically won in spite of him (although he did grab a bunch of rebounds). LOL at that MVP finals game clinching "non" performance probably the most nebulous of all time!

point differential on this post = 0.3

[TDfan2007]

Man...this troll job gained momentum...and fast. Lots of insecure Spurs fans out there.

[Spurs rock]

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Yes Duncan ranks higher than Kobe, I know. So who's 3, 2, and 1? ;)

[rayjayjohnson]

damn there are a lot of duncan knob slobberers on this site

[Giuseppe]

Always a lot of sympathy for a tired old shit bag like Duncan.

[Leetonidas]

damn there are a lot of duncan knob slobberers on this site

It's a Spurs forum. Who do you expect us to be slobbing the knob of, Alex English and Juwan Howard? :lmao

[Giuseppe]

It's the NBA Forum.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

LOL, yet another "Who is greater, TD or KB?" thread.

First, it's next to impossible to compare players of different positions. You can argue all day and night who had more help to win their rings, and that won't prove a thing, especially when their teams took an absolute shit on the rest of the league winning as of now, 9 titles in 12 years.

As a general rule, big men are a bit more valuable that smaller guys, so the nod to greatest probably goes to TD. However, that said, in 40 years, likely neither one will be top 10 all time. Top 10 is too crowded. Example, Oscar Robertson retired second leading scorer and arguably 2nd greatest ever after Chamberlain. Now, 37 years later the Big O is tenth in scoring and on few fans' top 10 lists. Too many superstars yet to come to impress us beyond imagination.

I think TD needs to match KB in rings, or 40 years from now, KB will be considered the greater player. Top 10's are opinion anyway, you can't kick either out of the Hall of Fame.

[Giuseppe]

^It took me 60 seconds to figure out who KB was.

tee, hee.

[LkrFan]

*** #1 Seeded Spurs' Early Offseason Bump ***

:toast