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Rummpd
04-22-2011, 06:40 AM
Per my many posts I have been as upset as anyone about the lack of play of Splitter and have trashed Pop for it, and still believe he needs to play some, if not substantial minutes.

However, last night I watched a recording of both games with the Grizz and it appeared Blair in game 2, despite horrid play on the offensive side of the ball, was really getting into Marc Gasol's head with his physical play. Even Dice with his otherwise poor play until the end was flinging elbows and out of nowhere on a few occassions Bonner actually was manning up and at least attempting to get extremely physical with Zach Randolph - who seemed amazed each time that someone was trying to manhandle him (of all people). Most of all Duncan, was as physical inside as I have seen him in a long time, and probably got shafted on 1-2 additional non block calls then the 3 he got counted for. Pop must have really quietly got on the bigs for "being soft (Duncan excluded he has been tough both games)", as the difference in physical intensity, which was much more than anything seen in a similar taping of game one was substantial by Blair, Dice and Bonner.

Despite the above, I do believe that if Pop was to get smart he would have the same lineup continue to hound the bigger Grizz and then at some point send Splitter in for one primary mission - draw some charges and frustrate the bigs. Marc Gasol's go to move appears to be a subtle lowering of his right shoulder then he usually pivots to the right, right before trying to move up a foot or two for his shot - he did this same move with slight variations four attempts in a row from about the 8 minute mark of the first quarter to the 6 minute mark of the 2nd quarter in game two at least. If Splitter (or Duncan with their height) just stood their ground each time and raised their arms Gasol's shot actually comes off about 3/4th of his height most of the time, and can be blocked. Also, if he turns into the defender, and they stand their ground with their feet outside the circle - he may well get multiple charges called on him.

I think this is also why Pop is sometimes sending a second smaller player at either Gasol or Randolph - Gasol often has the ball low for part of his shooting motion, while Randolph is more unpredictable but tries to do a lot with the ball moving around (and is often fairly successful, he really has some great and crafty footwork, shakes, and almost Hakeemish type of moves) but primarily tries to go to his left and the ball is exposed enough that steals are very plausible and the Spurs did pick a few off in each game inside. Also Randolph gets a lot of junk type of shots and that is my issue with Pop - height would make a big difference on him. Bonner actually played good fundemental defense on him mulitiple times but just does not have the reach to bother Randolph's shot which tends to come off, unlike Gasol, from a higher and softer angle.

In fact, based on what I have reviewed Bonner would be more effective on Gasol more and put other bigs on Randolph. Duncan did get some play on both and the danger is the pussy type of fouls the zebras are calling as Randolph is really a crafty player. Meanwhile, conversely Gasol is fairly thuggish, with not much in his offensive arsenal. He is tougher for sure than his brother but not nearly as skilled (and I would argue not much better than Splitter right now, but of course one plays while the other sits and sits).

Bottom line, is that it seems Pop is making many fine adjustments already but will he make a few more? The more he gets physical on Gasol the more he will shrink IMO, and if it means going deeper into the Spurs bench great! If Pop continues his adjustments inside defensively (and the SAS team did rebound fairly well and they were blocking out Randolph especially for boards), the utility and first game dominance of the Grizz bigs will diminish further. Randolph may continue to score some but he is not an Amare type who will go off for 40+, so primarily shutting off or at least holding down Gasol seems very plausible and then it will be harder for ther rest of the Grizz to keep hitting their shots (or at least I hope).

The Grizz bigs are big and physical but they are not without flaws and after watching the difference between the inside play of the SAS in the two games, I am much more confident that the Spurs will win the series, and could sweep the rest if they (Spurs big) continue to step up and the coach adjusts a little bit more.

Fireball
04-22-2011, 07:00 AM
You surely change your oppinion quickly and drastically. I am confident that the Spurs can win this series without using Splitter. But still Pop could have tried him in a game and see what the outcome was ...

Thomas82
04-22-2011, 08:32 AM
It looks like Project Spurs feels the same way as 90% of SpursTalk.

http://www.projectspurs.com/2011-articles/april/is-splitter-the-x-factor-for-spurs-against-grizzlies.html

boutons_deux
04-22-2011, 09:09 AM
rump flips more than Neutered Gingrich

Splitter ain't a rookie anymore than GN is a rookie.

dbreiden83080
04-22-2011, 09:14 AM
He's a good coach but he is no genius. When you get to coach one of the best players of all time their entire careers your gonna win..

tmtcsc
04-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Off topic here but..Holy Crap did Shogun get his ass kicked by Bones. Wow.

dbreiden83080
04-22-2011, 09:34 AM
Off topic here but..Holy Crap did Shogun get his ass kicked by Bones. Wow.

One of the most epic beat-downs in recent memory..

ohmwrecker
04-22-2011, 09:48 AM
Splitter will only see some time in a blow out. So, he probably won't see any time.

YODA
04-22-2011, 10:28 AM
Splitter will only see some time in a blow out. So, he probably won't see any time.

Most likely, unless their is foul major foul problems or Pop is pissed at blair or bonner. Really dont see a reason to try him.

With Blair at center and Bonner of bench, the spurs were playing .900 basketball. Why would you make changes to that? There was only so many minutes to go around and the only way he was gonna get time was because of a blowout or injury. Versus some lineups splitter might do well, but versus the biggest and toughest ones? come on...he is weak in the hands and inexperienced. Give him till next season and I bet Pop will do wonders with him.

Whisky Dog
04-22-2011, 10:41 AM
Splitter can be the nasty guy, the Kevin Willis, the guy who comes in and Lambeers some people. All while maintaining that goofy smile.

GrandeDavid
04-22-2011, 10:41 AM
I'm encouraged at the Spurs getting physical and doing a pretty good job on the boards. I'm also semi-comforted by the fact that missed free throws hurt them and they would've won by a larger margin had they shot a little better from the line. So these are good things and I'm gonna assume that the free throw shooting will improve, even if just slightly.

But I would like to see Splitter play more. I heard those annoying Morning Drive guys this morning. Well, the one who is annoying is the Walter guy who rudely cuts off callers and never even let's his co-host finish a thought. He was absolutely not hearing ANY of it with regards to Splitter getting more playing time. Splitter should at least get run out there for some minutes in the second quarter to see what he can do. Maybe he draws a charge, blocks a shot or grabs a key board. Give him a shot, though!

But having said all this, I think that if Parker can pop a few of those open mid range shots and the Spurs can continue to work hard in the paint, they should finish this off in six games.

k_nguyen93
04-22-2011, 10:56 AM
Giving Bonner too much credit there, ZBo did just get a new contract! CIA Pop, sit Manu out for game one for extra rest while letting ZBo dominate. Hopefully he is saving Splitter up for Lakers. At the rate Bonner is flopping, Splitter may get playing time once someone knocks his ass down for real.

weebo
04-22-2011, 10:57 AM
Pop is an idiot. The Spurs need defensive size to win now, next round, or the finals. No one here thinks that Splitter will guarantee victory, but when one of your glaring weaknesses is size up front and you have at the very least a serviceable big man sitting at the end of the bench and you don't use him you..? Well fuck. I guess what people are really asking for is to give Splitter a chance. Let's see what he can give the team. We already know what we get with Bonner/Blair. There is very little risk in giving him a few minutes. And who knows?? He just might surprise some people with great play. Just a thought.

mingus
04-22-2011, 11:26 AM
i don't mind Bonner or Blair playing seperately nearly as much as i mind them playing together. Memphis is going to attack the paint in game 3 and they'll probably be very successful at it. Randolph was shit in game 2 and he'll have a better game. it's going to be a tough series to win, but i think we get it done in 6 or 7 whereas with Splitter i think Spurs get it in 5.

celldweller
04-22-2011, 11:48 AM
pop is an idiot. The spurs need defensive size to win now, next round, or the finals. No one here thinks that splitter will guarantee victory, but when one of your glaring weaknesses is size up front and you have at the very least a serviceable big man sitting at the end of the bench and you don't use him you..? Well fuck. I guess what people are really asking for is to give splitter a chance. Let's see what he can give the team. We already know what we get with bonner/blair. There is very little risk in giving him a few minutes. And who knows?? He just might surprise some people with great play. Just a thought.

+1

Rummpd
04-22-2011, 12:39 PM
My point I tried to make is the SAS bigs adjusted from game one to game two and maybe Pop had something to do with that. However, I am convinced that getting by the Grizz without Splitter would actually reinforce in Pop that his system is right and that if we do not see any Splitter in this series, it portends bad things ahead.

Grizz are big but are not skilled especially defensively, and on offense, Randolph is skilled but Gasol is actually pretty mediocre.. Thunder would be MUCH more skilled defensively and Durant's length will continue to bother the Spurs on offense at least and Lakers will kill the Spurs unless Pop changes philosophy. Mark that down as a lock.

DesignatedT
04-22-2011, 12:56 PM
It's not even worth talking about anymore. Everyone and everything just gets repeated in these Splitter threads. Every single thing has been touched on regarding this matter.

G-Dawgg
04-22-2011, 03:07 PM
Splitter can be the nasty guy, the Kevin Willis, the guy who comes in and Lambeers some people. All while maintaining that goofy smile.

Too bad Tiago's a scrawny creampuff.....lol

DMC
04-22-2011, 05:43 PM
Pop is saving Splitter for the Finals. You don't use all your silver bullets this early.

Cessation
04-22-2011, 06:15 PM
It doesn't matter how well they do against the grizz, they an 8 seed after all. Whats concerning, as was mentioned, how well will they do against the lakers.

Calispursfan11
04-22-2011, 06:24 PM
Pop is saving Splitter for the Finals. You don't use all your silver bullets this early.

DMC, respect your opinion - but seriously? Do you really think Splitter will see a second of PT during the playoffs?

ohmwrecker
04-22-2011, 06:43 PM
It's not even worth talking about anymore. Everyone and everything just gets repeated in these Splitter threads. Every single thing has been touched on regarding this matter.

Hello, Desi. Welcome to Spurstalk.

td4mvp21
04-22-2011, 06:55 PM
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analyzed
04-22-2011, 08:23 PM
What you also have to realise is that by playing small up front ( Bliar and Bonner) against Memphis twin towers , while it may be possible to neutrailise them with an agressive deny team defense. It is forcing our perimeter players to over compensate the mismatch inside by helping out more than necessary, resulting in freeing up the outside for Memphis and more offensive rebounds.

So really I don't buy the idea that Blair is doing a good job defensively aginast Gasol, while it may look like he is getting into Gasols head'you have to ask at what expense. Our perimeters are forced to rotate and help down low more than they should.

Capt Bringdown
04-22-2011, 11:04 PM
LOL, the turd towers have become defensive stalwarts to the silver lining crowd.

DMC
04-23-2011, 12:36 AM
DMC, respect your opinion - but seriously? Do you really think Splitter will see a second of PT during the playoffs?
Although I wasn't being serious, Tiago will only see time if the Spurs are up 25 with 2 minutes to go or down 20 with 2 minutes to go. Even then it's questionable if the towel boy hasn't logged minutes yet.

I wish I had the gif for it, but during the opening sequence on Fox SW, it showed the Spurs "now" and they showed each person on the court except Splitter. Him they showed smiling on the bench. I thought that was funny but sad as fuck at the same time. It will be even worse if we lose to the 8th seed.

DMC
04-23-2011, 12:40 AM
Of course if the Grizz go cold from the field, the Spurs could look like a monster, and suddenly Blair, Bonner and Jefferson are the fucking musketeers.

Rummpd
04-23-2011, 04:40 AM
Bottom line Pop might turn out to look like a genius in this series but it would be ABSOLUTE FOOLS GOLD as Thunder and LAL have more skilled front lines.

Spursmania
04-23-2011, 08:20 AM
It's not even worth talking about anymore. Everyone and everything just gets repeated in these Splitter threads. Every single thing has been touched on regarding this matter.

DMC
04-23-2011, 10:01 AM
I don't see how Pop could look like a genius with Manu in an arm brace because of the last game of the season, and losing the 1st at home. Maybe he could look competent and the team could look poised, but genius? No.

Also, both games were decided by just a few points. Either could have been wins or losses depending on a couple of shots falling or not. There's no master plan. Pop is winging it.

Wilford Brimley
04-23-2011, 12:33 PM
Pop has proven his genius. Rummpd is a flip-flopper

ChuckD
04-23-2011, 01:00 PM
Bottom line Pop might turn out to look like a genius in this series but it would be ABSOLUTE FOOLS GOLD as Thunder and LAL have more skilled front lines.

Sorry, Perkins and Ibaka are good defenders and rebounders, but Gasol/ZBo are WAY more skilled offensively. Also, you negate one of their defender rebounder status by playing Bonner to draw them out of the paint. How do you think we held ZBo to 5 rebounds? If he's not near the paint, he can't grab the D board.