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alamo50
06-08-2005, 02:23 AM
Spurs star aiming for 3rd ring, and his team is still young

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Tim Duncan can earn his third ring if the Spurs beat the Pistons in the NBA Finals.

COMMENTARY
By Mike Wise

Updated: 11:40 p.m. ET June 7, 2005


The NBA Finals begin Thursday night, or, as Tim Duncan might rename them, "How to Go From On-Court Infamy to Ecstasy in Less Than a Year."

The closer another title, the easier it is for Duncan to distance himself from last spring and summer, when the game flat-out did him wrong.

It began last May with that crazy, catch-turn-and-fire shot by Derek Fisher — the one that nullified his own game-winning, Game 5 buzzer-beater and sent the Lakers, not Duncan's San Antonio Spurs, back to the NBA Finals.

His 2004 of discontent continued with the Olympics, essentially a two-week, tour-de-farce for American basketball. Duncan's teammates could not shoot and Duncan was called for fouls he never was whistled for in the NBA. He fouled out twice in eight international games after fouling out twice in his eight-year NBA career.

St. Croix's favorite son kept a two-year commitment to the United States when lesser players from the 48 contiguous states would not even make one. For that, he earned a bronze medal and became part of U.S. hoops infamy — the first team of NBA players to lose at the Games.

Between the calls and the negative drama surrounding his team, he called his international career "95 percent" finished. In an uncharacteristic show of off-court emotion, Duncan added, "FIBA [stinks]," referring to the sport's international governing body.

"Do you think your negative Olympic experience will make other great players want to stay away?" he was asked in Athens.

"I hope not," Duncan said. "I'll try not to share my experiences with anyone."

Disenchanted might be strong, but the man did not enjoy playing basketball at that moment. Complaining about the past is not in his demeanor, so on the eve of Game 1 of the NBA Finals — between his Spurs and the defending NBA champion Detroit Pistons — it's best to go elsewhere to get the dope on Duncan.

"It was tough for him in the Olympics," said Steve Kerr, Duncan's former teammate and now a television analyst for TNT. "He was called for every little thing. The high screens he'd set in the NBA suddenly became fouls. With everything going on over there, let's just say he was happy to get back."

How Duncan recrafted his playing legacy and switched up on history in months is impressive. No one even mentions the Olympic debacle anymore. All they talk about is how good Duncan can still be.

Think about it. Hakeem Olajuwon was 31 years old when he won his first championship in 1994. David Robinson was two months shy of 34 when he teamed with Duncan for his first title in 1999. Shaquille O'Neal, like Michael Jordan almost a decade earlier, was only 28 when he won the first of three titles in 2000. But even Shaq had to endure four series sweeps in five years before he and Kobe Bryant finally broke through.

Future Hall of Fame pivots pay their dues, those are supposed to be the rules. Futility at the highest level is almost a rite of passage for all of the modern game's great big men — and some still never grasp the grail (see Patrick Ewing).

Tim Duncan, 23 when he won his first title and in his prime at 29 today, is toying with those rules. The most complete post player in pro basketball is preparing for his third NBA Finals in six years, beginning tomorrow on his home floor in San Antonio.

He is not playing Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and the Pistons for the title the next two weeks as much as he is playing for the game's annals. A third championship since 1999 would give Duncan as many gaudy, golden rings as O'Neal and Bryant the past six years.

"He's already ahead of both Kobe and Shaq for MVP awards won," said Kerr, who also played on a championship team with Jordan. (Duncan has won two MVPs to Shaq's one and Kobe's none.) "If he ties them both for championships, we have to start talking about Tim, post-Michael, as the best player of his generation."

The only Hall of Fame big man with similar credentials this early in his career is Kevin McHale, whom Duncan seems to have borrowed much of his footwork, up-and-under and drop-step moves from. McHale was 23 in 1981 when he won his first championship and 28 when he won his last in 1986. But he never won an MVP award and was often thought to be the second- or third-best player on his team behind Larry Bird and Robert Parish.

The Spurs are unquestionably Duncan's team. Jordan was 28 when he won his first of six championships in 1991. He won his last at age 35 in 1998. Duncan's young Spurs — Manu Ginobili is 27 and Tony Parker is 23 — have at least five years of title contention still in them.

The Spurs and their star could finish with seven or more championships before Duncan retires. It might seem sacrilege to the MJ faithful, seeing as how Duncan and his perceived vanilla game are to marketing what Kenneth Lay is to profit sharing.

But unexciting Timmy D. is closer to winning more titles than Jordan's Bulls than any player prematurely hyped as the Air Apparent.

Some irony, right? After all the T-Macs, A.I.s, K.G.s, J-Will's and Stevie Franchises, on many nights the most accomplished player after Jordan might have his vertical leap measured by inserting a Metro farecard under his sneakers. In-game flair or off-court earning power, Duncan is anathema to what Jordan represented and who he was as a player and pitchman.

And yet, he is everything Jordan was as a resilient competitor, a guy who did nothing more than channel his failures into championships. It's too bad that cannot sell a league anymore.

© 2005 The Washington Post Company

myhc
06-08-2005, 02:42 AM
That guy writes for the Washington Post. And speaking of the Post, Michael Wilbon, who some here think is a Spurs hater and is totally not true, here's an excerpt from his chat this week.

Norfolk, Va.: NBA playoffs? Nationals baseball? No thanks -- let's talk about a 22-year-old punk who won't return a Hall of Fame coach's calls and spends his time waving handguns around Miami. What a piece of work! This is what the Skins get for coddling him all year. It's not like he didn't give them ample warning -- the drunk driving, skipping league meetings, whining about his contract, skipping voluntary workouts. They should have seen this coming.

Michael Wilbon: We've talked about Shaq and the playoffs, the Pistons...maybe not the Spurs but we'll get to them next week. For that matter, we can get to them now. I think the Spurs will win the title no matter which teams emerges from the Eastern Conference tonight. The Spurs are so loaded, so underrated in terms of natural talent. Manu Ginobili is a basketball god in South America, and for good reason. If you ranked the players on the Spurs and Pistons, I'd want Duncan first and Ginobili next...They're so smart, so disciplined...You want the anti-Sean Taylor? You should root for the Spurs. They don't tolerate that foolishness, and they've had plenty of role models through the last 10 years, starting with David Robinson.

Michael Wilbon always gives the Spurs their due.

PM5K
06-08-2005, 02:43 AM
Hahahahahahahahah.....

myhc
06-08-2005, 02:55 AM
whats so funny?

I'm guessing the notion that Duncan can surpass Jordan's 6 titles? I don't think its out of the question but I think its a little premature to talk about it. Get to 5 rings by age 34, 35 and then the discussion gets serious.

TDMVPDPOY
06-08-2005, 04:10 AM
So duncan has 2 now, + one on his finger thats 3, i think his catchin up to JLO first then michael

AlamoSpursFan
06-08-2005, 10:51 AM
Jordan's six titles? What about Robert Horry's six titles?

:lol

Jimcs50
06-08-2005, 10:54 AM
Horry will have his 7th next year.

benjirh
06-08-2005, 12:56 PM
I like to hope to, but I also feel that with the way FA is now and with more and more owners willing to kill the bank for one shot at the trophy, I think it will be tight. I will surely plan on it, but the injury bug is also not on our side. The only reason I can see it happen is if Ginobili produces at his current level (playoff level) for the next 4-5 years and Parker continues to get better. Then it is a posibility

nkdlunch
06-08-2005, 01:39 PM
The Spurs are so loaded, so underrated in terms of natural talent. Manu Ginobili is a basketball god in South America, and for good reason. If you ranked the players on the Spurs and Pistons, I'd want Duncan first and Ginobili next...


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