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DarrinS
04-29-2011, 08:08 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-h-gleick/tornadoes-2011_b_855032.html





Violent tornadoes throughout the southeastern U.S. must be a front-page reminder that no matter how successful climate deniers are in confusing the public or delaying action on climate change in Congress or globally, the science is clear: Our climate is worsening.

More extreme and violent climate is a direct consequence of human-caused climate change (whether or not we can determine if these particular tornado outbreaks were caused or worsened by climate change). There is a reason it isn't called global warming anymore. Higher temperatures are only one -- and not the most worrisome -- of the consequences of a changing climate.

Climate science tells us unambiguously that we are changing the climate and trapping more energy on the planet. Trapping more energy will cause more extreme events and worsen extreme events that would otherwise happen.

In the climate community, we call this "loading the dice." Rolling loaded dice weighted toward more extreme and energetic weather means more death and destruction. And it is only going to get worse and worse, faster and faster, the longer our politicians dither and delay and deny. Climate deniers who have stymied action in Congress and confused the public -- like the tobacco industry did before them -- need to be held accountable for their systematic misrepresentation of the science, their misuse and falsification of data, and their trickery.

The conservative (and economically driven) insurance industry understands the reality of data and observations: Munich Re (one of the world's leading reinsurers) has said:

"The only plausible explanation for the rise in weather-related catastrophes is climate change. The view that weather extremes are more frequent and intense due to global warming coincides with the current state of scientific knowledge."

The extreme nature of the ongoing severe weather is well described by Jeff Masters on his Weather Blog. The 3-day total of preliminary tornado reports from this week's outbreak is nearing 300, close to the 323 preliminary tornado reports logged during the massive April 14 - 16 tornado outbreak. That outbreak has 155 confirmed tornadoes so far, making it the largest April tornado outbreak on record.

Of course, tornado outbreaks have occurred before. In 1974 and 1965, collections of tornados killed hundreds of people. But according to NOAA's Storm Prediction Center, it is unprecedented to have two such massive tornado outbreaks occur so close together. Loading the dice. At least 11 of these tornadoes were killer tornadoes; deaths occurred in six states. (Wikipedia maintains an excellent and growing compilation of historical tornado outbreaks for those interested, and raw data can be obtained from NOAA.) Only two other tornado outbreaks have had as many as 150 twisters -- the May 2004 outbreak (385), and the May 2003 outbreak (401).

And it is not just the devastating tornadoes: parts of the Mississippi River are about to experience record flooding. As spring rain joins with winter snowmelt, a massive pulse of floodwater is moving south. As it joins with the record water levels coming out of the Ohio River it is expected to create the highest flood heights ever recorded on the Mississippi, according to the latest forecasts from the National Weather Service.

Yet while we call this a "1-in-a-100 year" flood event, that term is losing its meaning. The August 1993 flood event was a "1-in-a-500 year" event. Yet in June 2008 there was another such event. Now, three years later, we see another massive flood on the Mississippi, and record floods elsewhere. Loading the dice. As FEMA's director, Craig Fugate, noted in December, "The term '100-year event' really lost its meaning this year." And that was last year.

The science community knows that we're affecting the climate; in turn, that will affect the weather; and that, in turn, will affect humans: with death, injury, and destruction. There is a cost to tackling climate change, but there is a real, growing, and far larger cost of continuing to deny it.

DarrinS
04-29-2011, 08:09 AM
NOAA says no

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/noaa-tornadoes-not-due-to-global-warming/




A top official at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) rejected claims by environmental activists that the outbreak of tornadoes ravaging the American South is related to climate change brought on by global warming.

Greg Carbin, the warning coordination meteorologist at NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Oklahoma, said warming trends do create more of the fuel that tornadoes require, such as moisture, but that they also deprive tornadoes of another essential ingredient: wind shear.

“We know we have a warming going on,” Carbin told Fox News in an interview Thursday, but added: “There really is no scientific consensus or connection [between global warming and tornadic activity]….Jumping from a large-scale event like global warming to relatively small-scale events like tornadoes is a huge leap across a variety of scales.”

Asked if climate change should be “acquitted” in a jury trial where it stood charged with responsibility for tornadoes, Carbin replied: “I would say that is the right verdict, yes.” Because there is no direct connection as yet established between the two? “That’s correct,” Carbin replied.

DarrinS
04-29-2011, 08:10 AM
This is why more and more people are skeptical of you warmist fucktards.

DarrinS
04-29-2011, 08:10 AM
Manny?

MannyIsGod
04-29-2011, 09:19 AM
I agree with you.

Spurminator
04-29-2011, 09:20 AM
This is why more and more people are skeptical

Correct.


of you warmist fucktards.

This is why no one takes you seriously.

boutons_deux
04-29-2011, 09:30 AM
Extreme weather instability was a prediction for global warming.

This single instance of extreme weather is only one event to be added to other extreme weather events.

Saying this one event proves global warming is both stupid and superfluous. Anthropogenic globabl warming is real and provable.

Polluters' shills like Darrin, WC, etc are anti-scientific assholes.

DarrinS
04-29-2011, 09:44 AM
Saying this one event proves global warming is both stupid and superfluous. Anthropogenic globabl warming is real and provable.


No one thinks AGW is not real, we just disagree on whether "climate change" is catastrophic or not.

Wild Cobra
04-29-2011, 10:24 AM
NOAA says no

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/noaa-tornadoes-not-due-to-global-warming/
That's right. Cooling trends cause tornadoes.

MannyIsGod
04-29-2011, 11:28 AM
That's right. Cooling trends cause tornadoes.



Jesus Christ you read for shit. You're just as stupid as the OP.

symple19
04-29-2011, 11:35 AM
Polluters' shills like Darrin, WC, etc are anti-scientific assholes.

:lmao

RandomGuy
04-29-2011, 11:41 AM
NOAA says no

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/noaa-tornadoes-not-due-to-global-warming/

So NOAA is credible when they say something you agree with, but not when they say something they don't?

Personally though, I would find the guy at NOAA to be more of a specific expert on tornado formation than the generalist at HuffPo.

That doesn't make the generalist wrong about more violent weather. Meh.

Picking of nits a hobby of yours?

MannyIsGod
04-29-2011, 11:51 AM
So NOAA is credible when they say something you agree with, but not when they say something they don't?

Personally though, I would find the guy at NOAA to be more of a specific expert on tornado formation than the generalist at HuffPo.

That doesn't make the generalist wrong about more violent weather. Meh.

Picking of nits a hobby of yours?

The generalist is wrong about violent weather.

DarrinS
04-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Classy

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/28/tornado-global-warming/


Storms Kill Over 250 Americans In States Represented By Climate Pollution Deniers





Today, news agencies are still tallying reports of deaths from the most devastating storm system in the United States in decades:


Dozens of massive tornadoes tore a town-flattening streak across the South, killing at least 250 people in six states and forcing rescuers to carry some survivors out on makeshift stretchers of splintered debris. Two of Alabama’s major cities were among the places devastated by the deadliest twister outbreak in nearly 40 years.

“Given that global warming is unequivocal,” climate scientist Kevin Trenberth cautioned the American Meteorological Society in January of this year, “the null hypothesis should be that all weather events are affected by global warming rather than the inane statements along the lines of ‘of course we cannot attribute any particular weather event to global warming.’”

The congressional delegations of these states — Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia, Virginia, and Kentucky — overwhelmingly voted to reject the science that polluting the climate is dangerous. They are deliberately ignoring the warnings from scientists.