End of an era - Goodbye Lakers

[Calispursfan11]

I just watched the Mavs dismantle the Lakers and I don't know whether to rejoice or cry. As much as I couldn't stand Kobe all these years, his decline is sad as is the Lakers' end since the Lakers greatness went hand in hand with the Spurs' greatness. The Lakers' core has become way too old, fat and happy to compete with the Mavs much less for a title.

Bye bye Laker dynasty. You were a thorn in our side, but a familiar one, and sometimes unpleasant familiarity is better than the unknown.

[Dex]

Nah, fuck 'em.

[Calispursfan11]

Haha, good one, Dex.

[TE]

Yeah ftl. But the decline is evident, and it's sad in a way because it occurs in the same year as the Spurs.

[DirkDoesWork]

lolololololololol

Fuck the Lakers

[Calispursfan11]

lolololololololol

Fuck the Lakers

I can see why YOU'd say that right about now...

[Calispursfan11]

lolololololololol

Fuck the Lakers

Btw, Dirk looks a little bit like Christ in that pic. Nice job.

[rmt]

It's not over yet. When the scoreboard says 4-0, I'll celebrate. Anything can happen eg. Dirk could sprain his ankle.

[ChuckD]

Yeah, they're totally cap fucked for about next three years, too, and have no talent to speak of in the pipeline.

[SenorSpur]

Yeah ftl. But the decline is evident, and it's sad in a way because it occurs in the same year as the Spurs.

And don't forget the geriatric Celtics are also staring down the barrel of an 0-2 gun. They're primed for summer vacation too.

[Sean Cagney]

Time comes when the lucky get fucked, well fuck them let them die fucked!!!!! I hate that team and their arrogant fans.

[Barfunk]

Nah, the Lakers era will never end... might have a couple of down years every now and then... It's just too damn trendy of a destination to resist for players like Dwight Howard and the like

[tenbeersbold]

Guess those 7 footers acquired during mid-season paid off, eh Pop ;)

[Sean Cagney]

Nah, the Lakers era will never end... might have a couple of down years every now and then... It's just too damn trendy of a destination to resist for players like Dwight Howard and the like

Yep they could lose this year, but then Howard will go there and so on, that team will not be down long even if down now.

[ajballer4]

Laker fans suck. Dont boo your team, they just gave you back-to-back titles. You will never see Spurs fans booing the Spurs

[Ross Parrot]

You will never see Spurs fans booing the Spurs

No I'm pretty sure I heard loud boos whenever RJ touched the ball. :downspin:

[Capt Bringdown]

Laker fans suck. Dont boo your team, they just gave you back-to-back titles. You will never see Spurs fans booing the Spurs

Yeah, I hope George Hill was watching the game tonight.

[ChuckD]

Nah, the Lakers era will never end... might have a couple of down years every now and then... It's just too damn trendy of a destination to resist for players like Dwight Howard and the like


Yeah, they're totally cap fucked for about next three years, too, and have no talent to speak of in the pipeline.

THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO SPEND FOR LIKE THREE YEARS.

Unless Howard is willing to take stupid low money to play with geriatrics, he won't be wearing Piss and Purple.

[Ross Parrot]

Yeah. Spurs fans should be the ones talking about an "end of an era" :lmao :lmao

[024]

they're not going anywhere. unlike the spurs, their core is not old at all. 2-3 years left.

[NewJerSpur]

Laker fans suck. Dont boo your team, they just gave you back-to-back titles. You will never see Spurs fans booing the Spurs

That was pretty damn shocking. Seen/heard it with hardcore fanbases out here on the eastcoast, but never thought I would've heard it in Staples. Actually made them look/sound spoiled, bad play by Gasol/Blake/etc. and all.

[ALVAREZ6]

Lakers are still in better position for next year compared to the Spurs.

[Hoops Czar]

THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO SPEND FOR LIKE THREE YEARS.

Unless Howard is willing to take stupid low money to play with geriatrics, he won't be wearing Piss and Purple.

They have Andrew Bynum. That's better than money. If he isn't going to resign with Orlando in the offseason, it wouldn't take much to swap bigs.

[ChuckD]

they're not going anywhere. unlike the spurs, their core is not old at all. 2-3 years left.

Horseshit. The only two players under 30 in their rotation are Sixty Games Bynum and Shannon Brown. They are fucking OLD.

[Spurtacus]

It's not over yet. When the scoreboard says 4-0, I'll celebrate. Anything can happen eg. Dirk could sprain his ankle.

This. Im stoked right now but wont all out celebrate till they are eliminated

[ChuckD]

They have Andrew Bynum. That's better than money. If he isn't going to resign with Orlando in the offseason, it wouldn't take much to swap bigs.

Ooooh. A 12 and 10 player. I'm fucking terrified. No way Orlando does a deal because LA CANNOT sign him outright.

[timtonymanu]

That was pretty damn shocking. Seen/heard it with hardcore fanbases out here on the eastcoast, but never thought I would've heard it in Staples. Actually made them look/sound spoiled, bad play by Gasol/Blake/etc. and all.

it's pretty common for that to happen in staples. Lakers have some of the worst fans there.

[Hoops Czar]

Ooooh. A 12 and 10 player. I'm fucking terrified. No way Orlando does a deal because LA CANNOT sign him outright.

It wasn't meant to scare you. He certainly put fear into TD though. They will dump the salary to make it happen. And it wouldn't stop Orlando from making the trade, they could care less about LA's financial restraints. They would rather get something for their star player rather than watching him walk away for nothing in the offseason.

[NewJerSpur]

it's pretty common for that to happen in staples. Lakers have some of the worst fans there.

Wow, first time for me for it to at least that blatant and loud on that stage, even though realistically it's still only the 2nd round. Wow.

[Nathan89]

Lakers can easily compete for the next couple of years. D. Howard is on his way. Plug in a serviceable pg and they stacked.

[Sean Cagney]

Lakers can easily compete for the next couple of years. D. Howard is on his way. Plug in a serviceable pg and they stacked.

IF HOWARD IS THERE we are all fu*cked, probably gonna happen too knowing their damn luck in LA!

[ElNono]

LA will 'rebuild' in the offseason with some fishy trade... Blake/Barnes and the rights to Bynum's little brother for D. Howard.... if there's a market the NBA can't let hang loose for long is LA.

[NewJerSpur]

It wasn't meant to scare you. He certainly put fear into TD though. They will dump the salary to make it happen. And it wouldn't stop Orlando from making the trade, they could care less about LA's financial restraints. They would rather get something rather than watching him walk in the offseason.

Magic GM already said they'd rather let Dwight walk than ship him midseason.....not saying that can't change, but from the sound of things look like they're going to opt to make another run with him, do what they can to shed weight on the roster and go for it rather than blow things up.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Don't know if I would be necessarily happy when you think about the fact that this could've been a golden opportunity for the Spurs to advance to the Finals. Popovich must be sick to his stomach now.

[Nathan89]

IF HOWARD IS THERE we are all fu*cked, probably gonna happen too knowing their damn luck in LA!

They will have to trade Bynum for him but yeah everybody will be fucked. He is almost certainly going to end up in LA because the Magic could not deny that kind of return in Bynum.

[Sean Cagney]

Don't know if I would be necessarily happy when you think about the fact that this could've been a golden opportunity for the Spurs to advance to the Finals. Popovich must be sick to his stomach now.

Why when it's his own damn fault? This is like 07 reversed as someone said! Dallas out in round one after that record and Spurs win a title, now Dallas is going the same route as of now. I hate it yes, but it's true.
They will have to trade Bynum for him but yeah everybody will be fucked. He is almost certainly going to end up in LA because the Magic could not deny that kind of return in Bynum.

LOL sarcasm at it's best, love that there. I feel you man.

[Nathan89]

LA will 'rebuild' in the offseason with some fishy trade... Blake/Barnes and the rights to Bynum's little brother for D. Howard.... if there's a market the NBA can't let hang loose for long is LA.
:lmao

[Hoops Czar]

Magic GM already said they'd rather let Dwight walk than ship him midseason.....not saying that can't change, but from the sound of things look like they're going to opt to make another run with him, do what they can to shed weight on the roster and go for it rather than blow things up.

That would be incredibly ballsy. Orlando would be essentially playing Russian Roulette with the franchise. If they gut the roster to resign Howard, they won't be competitive. Howard also said he wants to play for a winner and I can't see him winning in Orlando anytime soon. Bynum wouldn't be blowing things up IMO. If he can stay healthy, he can be a an impact player for years to come.

[Hoops Czar]

They will have to trade Bynum for him but yeah everybody will be fucked. He is almost certainly going to end up in LA because the Magic could not deny that kind of return in Bynum.
Or Boston

[Nathan89]

Don't know if I would be necessarily happy when you think about the fact that this could've been a golden opportunity for the Spurs to advance to the Finals. Popovich must be sick to his stomach now.

I used to think the Spurs FO was great but they have fucked up big time for years. A few glimmers of greatness like Neal,Hill,Splitter and a bunch of shit like Rj,Bonner,Scola,not playing Splitter, not getting defensive size,playing blair,etc...

If we had defense we could have beat Memphis,Thunder, and the Mavs. Spurs fucked Tim Duncan huge at the end of his career. Now the organization is pretty much handcuffed by Rj and his contract.

[Nathan89]

Or Boston

Boston couldn't give up anything better than Bynum. Boston only has old players.

[NewJerSpur]

That would be incredibly ballsy. Orlando would be essentially playing Russian Roulette with the franchise. If they gut the roster to resign Howard, they won't be competitive. Hoard also said he wants to play for a winner and I can't see him winning in Orlando anytime soon. Bynum wouldn't be blowing things up IMO. If he can stay healthy, he can be a an impact player for years to come.

Bynum's health is always an "if" and he will likely have knee problems for the remainder of his career which a tricky thing to try and build your franchise around, especially in trying to replace a guy like Dwight. Otis has made some risky decisions in the past so I wouldn't put it passed him to take a leap of faith on Howard and try to reshape the roster as best he can on-the-fly to make them competitive enough to keep them in the running. The east also looks to be opening up which in and of itslef is a selling point, just depends on what other name they can bring in, even if it's swapping bad contracts and gambling on someone no one else wants with upside or making moves with a team on the verge of a rebuild.

[Hoops Czar]

Boston couldn't give up anything better than Bynum.


If Orlando holds onto them past the deadline, Boston will snag him in the offseason.

[Nathan89]

If Orlando holds onto them past the deadline, Boston will snag him in the offseason.

Fuck they are going to have a ton of cap space. Never thought about it but this might happen if Magic try to hold on to him.

Meanwhile the Spurs are going to be crumbling.

[Buddy Holly]

Lakers are still in better position for next year compared to the Spurs.

They are? How? They'll have basically the same team but one year older.

An older Kobe.

An older Artest.

An older Fisher.

Yikes!

However, if you respond with simply: "They don't have Bonner and Jefferson." Then, checkmate sir.

[DAF86]

This actually makes me feel worse about losing to the fucking Grizzlies.

[Nathan89]

They are? How? They'll have basically the same team but one year older.

An older Kobe.

An older Artest.

An older Fisher.

Yikes!

However, if you respond with simply: "They don't have Bonner and Jefferson." Then, checkmate sir.

All they need is a Pg and maybe some role players. The Lakers still have a ton of talent.

[Spurtacus]

Nj gets butt fucked by Deron Williams who opts to take the mle and play in LA.

Bynum traded for Dwight Howard by 2012 trade deadline

Instant rebuild.

[024]

i wish spur fans booed the spurs. it might have woken them up. instead, they just lumbered throughout the series and committed the dumbest turnovers.

[Buddy Holly]

All they need is a Pg and maybe some role players. The Lakers still have a ton of talent.

Role players? They have most of that bench signed for the next couple of years.

Blake signed for four seasons. :lol

[Buddy Holly]

i wish spur fans booed the spurs. it might have woken them up. instead, they just lumbered throughout the series and committed the dumbest turnovers.

Wake them up the way it clearly woke the Lakers up?

Just accept that the Grizzlies was an awful match up for us.

[daslicer]

The only team in LA cap space wise that has a chance at Dwight is the Clippers. Don't see the magic trading the best big in the league for an overatted center who is Elden Campbell part 2. Bynum is not a special player people get real hear the guy is solid to above average and nothing more. The kid is 23 now; when Shaq and Duncan were his age they were tearing up the league. Psychologically I don't see the Magic doing this trade considering LA raped them when they got Shaq and trading Dwight would make them LA's bitch permanently.
Yall are traumatized by the Gasol trade. Believe it or not the Lakers don't always get who they want hell they missed out on Drob back in the summer of '89 and they couldn't get Olaujuwon in the fall of '92. Hell Olaujuwon tried to force his way to the lakers but the rockets management didn't budge and I see Orlando doing the same thing with Dwight.

[Hoops Czar]

Bynum's health is always an "if" and he will likely have knee problems for the remainder of his career which a tricky thing to try and build your franchise around, especially in trying to replace a guy like Dwight. Otis has made some risky decisions in the past so I wouldn't put it passed him to take a leap of faith on Howard and try to reshape the roster as best he can on-the-fly to make them competitive enough to keep them in the running. The east also looks to be opening up which in and of itslef is a selling point, just depends on what other name they can bring in, even if it's swapping bad contracts and gambling on someone no one else wants with upside or making moves with a team on the verge of a rebuild.

No way you can replace Dwight, but Andrew is a nice consolation prize. Even with balky knees, he's the second best center in the NBA. If their intentions are to hold onto Dwight, they will need to get serious quick. They can't lose any more ground on Miami and Chicago. Maybe that means going after a true point guard like CP3. Whatever it is, it has to happen this offseason. Orlando has to show Dwight that they will be serious contenders for the foreseeable future or Dwight probably walks.

[NewJerSpur]

No way can you replace Dwight, but Andrew is a nice consolation prize. Even with balky knees, he's the second best center in the NBA. If their intentions are to hold onto Dwight, they will need to get serious quick. They can't lose any more ground on Miami and Chicago. Maybe that means going after a true point guard like CP3. Whatever it is, it has to happen this offseason. Orlando has to show Dwight that they will be serious contenders for the foreseeable future or Dwight probably walks.

I don't agree with the Bynum part because of the injury side of things alone compared to what they'd be given up and given Dwight's injury history or lack there of. I'm right there with you on the roster shakeup because anything less than Game 7 of the ECF and Dwight is out the door, and this comes from a Magic supporter. Otis has made decisions that have caused that franchise to regress since their Finals appearance and he owes it to them and the city of Orlando to put a winner together to keep Orlando. I'd look into doing whatever possible to start with CP3, including everyone on the roster outside of Dwight.

[dallaskd]

Lakers need to move Bynum for a couple pieces while he still has trade value before he blows his knee for good

[Calispursfan11]

Lakers need to move Bynum for a couple pieces while he still has trade value before he blows his knee for good

Congrats on Sir Charles declaring the Lakers done!

[Sisk]

Yeah, they're totally cap fucked for about next three years, too, and have no talent to speak of in the pipeline.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2011/05/04/sp-584commishstern.jpg

[Fireball]

We all know its easier for the Lakers to rebuild than for the Spurs, but I enjoy the beatdown they take from the Mavs right now.

[Obstructed_View]

Did something happen to the Lakers that's unexpected?

[baseline bum]

I just watched the Mavs dismantle the Lakers and I don't know whether to rejoice or cry. As much as I couldn't stand Kobe all these years, his decline is sad as is the Lakers' end since the Lakers greatness went hand in hand with the Spurs' greatness. The Lakers' core has become way too old, fat and happy to compete with the Mavs much less for a title.

Bye bye Laker dynasty. You were a thorn in our side, but a familiar one, and sometimes unpleasant familiarity is better than the unknown.

The Lakers' core is way too old? :rollin

Bryant is 32
Gasol is 30
Odom is 31
Bynum is 23

Bullshit. The Lakers are just getting their teeth kicked in by a hungry team with good size and the best player in the series.

[Bruno]

I won't make the mistake to burn Lakers too quickly (cough.. 2004.. cough) but, if Lakers lose, Spurs team should have huge regrets on how they have wasted this season.

[baseline bum]

I won't make the mistake to burn Lakers too quickly (cough.. 2004.. cough) but, if Lakers lose, Spurs team should have huge regrets on how they have wasted this season.

The Spurs wouldn't have beaten OKC nor Dallas, so it really doesn't matter anyways. And then Miami would be an even worse matchup.

[rascal]

Yeah, they're totally cap fucked for about next three years, too, and have no talent to speak of in the pipeline.

Lakers always seem to be able to bounce back with player acquisistions.
They are not down for very long.

[ChuckD]

It wasn't meant to scare you. He certainly put fear into TD though. They will dump the salary to make it happen. And it wouldn't stop Orlando from making the trade, they could care less about LA's financial restraints. They would rather get something for their star player rather than watching him walk away for nothing in the offseason.

There has to be a credible threat of Howard signing there for that to happen. LA's payroll was $90M this year. That means they need to CUT about $50M to get enough under the cap to offer Howard a full boat deal. Not happening.

If Orlando decides they want to trade Howard, I'm sure they'll get better offers than bad kneed players who can play 60 games a year, shitty picks, and old players. Hell, we could probably offer them better, and I don't see that happening, either.

[ChuckD]

Lakers always seem to be able to bounce back with player acquisistions.
They are not down for very long.

See: 1992-1999. No LoBs, not even a Finals trip.

[daslicer]

Lakers always seem to be able to bounce back with player acquisistions.
They are not down for very long.

Are you a lakerfan I'm just wondering considering you tend to usually have their dick in your mouth whenever you post?

[lefty]

I won't make the mistake to burn Lakers too quickly (cough.. 2004.. cough) but, if Lakers lose, Spurs team should have huge regrets on how they have wasted this season.
Well in 2004, they lost their first 2 on the road

[LongtimeSpursFan]

The Spurs wouldn't have beaten OKC nor Dallas, so it really doesn't matter anyways. And then Miami would be an even worse matchup.

Not sure why many people still believe this. Spurs match much better against the Mavs and even better against the Thunder. The West is wide open as ever. That why I'm not too quick to write off the Spurs as contenders yet.

[peacemaker885]

Don't count out the Lakers just yet. Dallas still has to win 2 and with the Lakers, you really can't say.

[bus driver]

It's not over yet. When the scoreboard says 4-0, I'll celebrate. Anything can happen eg. Dirk could sprain his ankle.

same thing i was think...after all this is the dallas mavs that are up 2-0
but it will be good to see the kobe cry again.

[ATXSPUR]

See: 1992-1999. No LoBs, not even a Finals trip.

The league had MJ and Chicago to serve as their big market powerhouse in the 90s, so they didn't exactly need LA then.

Trust me though, Stern will make it happen for LA this time around. It has to scare the shit out of them that the team that looks like it has the brightest future is in fucking Oklahoma.

[ATXSPUR]

Also, we have to remember that this is still Dallas. If anybody can fuck this up...

[greyforest]

Nah, fuck 'em.

[Slomo]

Also, we have to remember that this is still Dallas. If anybody can fuck this up...

:lol

I was just typing the same thing!

[Obstructed_View]

Trust me though, Stern will make it happen for LA this time around. It has to scare the shit out of them that the team that looks like it has the brightest future is in fucking Oklahoma.

Doesn't bother them in the least. There's already a power struggle with the Thunder. Westbrook will want to go out on his own, and LA needs a point guard, and will need an heir apparent. Then Durant can go wherever four years later when his contract is up, probably Boston or New York.

[Rummpd]

BS BRYANT is great but so so over-rated!!!!!!!!!!!

He is about where he fits all with his all time PER rating. He is truly Mr 17th all time in PER, and also so far in his career, has a shooting 5% less than Jordan even with the lack of defensive checking and hard-nosed defense Jordan faced. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html. It is also unreal he was "Mr 6 for 24 in the deciding finals game last year; and still got the damm MVP from a over-adoring media! lmao

He has been over-hyped so much by so many despite NOT truly being a leader or difference maker. Shaq led the first three titles without a doubt and then the Lakers sucked until the last three years; when adding Gasol was the Key difference maker along with the tall front line and diversity of Odom.

Not that Gasol is sucking even Bynum and others cannot carry the gunning Bryant (who also as ESPN and other threads have said is also vasly over-rated in the clutch).

Go Mavs would much rather see Dirk, who is so deserving and Kidd get a title vs. another to over-hype the already over-hyped Bryant.

[temujin]

Stern did what he could, sending Salvatore.

The Lakers bench is beyond redemption.

HUGE regrets for SA.

[eric365]

They will get Howard or Chris Paul in 2012 :(

[baseline bum]

Not sure why many people still believe this. Spurs match much better against the Mavs and even better against the Thunder. The West is wide open as ever. That why I'm not too quick to write off the Spurs as contenders yet.

Because the Spurs rolled over and died to end the season. Because they couldn't close games and constantly had horrible fourth quarters.

[703 Spurz]

I just watched the Mavs dismantle the Lakers and I don't know whether to rejoice or cry. As much as I couldn't stand Kobe all these years, his decline is sad as is the Lakers' end since the Lakers greatness went hand in hand with the Spurs' greatness. The Lakers' core has become way too old, fat and happy to compete with the Mavs much less for a title.

Bye bye Laker dynasty. You were a thorn in our side, but a familiar one, and sometimes unpleasant familiarity is better than the unknown.

Fuck the fucking Lakers

[daslicer]

They will get Howard or Chris Paul in 2012 :(

:bang Sick of hearing this shit they will get nobody of importance in 2012. Even if they don't pickup Bynum's option like laker fans keep on saying they are still over the cap. You honestly believe one of those 2 guys will come there to play for the mle and pass up the max when they are in their primes. Also I don't buy that bs the magic will trade Dwight for Bynum straight up. Bynum is a toxic asset that is very overrated. Its sad how much the Gasol trade has traumatize people in here into believing the lakers can get anybody at anytime. There is no quick fix for the lakers they will be pretty much what they were post magic from 1991-1996.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm
This link shows they are over the cap in 2012

[Calispursfan11]

I think the point of my thread is getting lost. I am happy to see the Lakers on the ropes, yet sad and reflective that it is clear they are going to go into the middle of the pack or below in the near future. This is not because I like LA, but bewcause it represents the end of a great era (the Kobes, the Duncans, the Shaqs, the Garnetts, and the Nash's). I don't see how anything changes that. Even if they get Howard, they really just become another Orlando Magic and everyone is aging. There's no debating it, the days of yore are done and I am broken up about it.

[baseline bum]

Down 2-0 about to go on the road the Lakers look like they're about done for this season, but I wouldn't write them off for the future. People said the same after the Spurs got beaten by Dallas in 06, and they came and won the title and made a WCF appearance the next two seasons.

[Calispursfan11]

Down 2-0 about to go on the road the Lakers look like they're about done for this season, but I wouldn't write them off for the future. People said the same after the Spurs got beaten by Dallas in 06, and they came and won the title and made a WCF appearance the next two seasons.

Baseline, you may be right, but I don't know. I think this Laker team looks even lazier than they have in years past when they were able to turn it on and off. They simply don't have that room for error any more and Artest's frustration and thugish maneuver mirrors the state of the team. Believe me, 30+ years old makes a huge difference in your abilities as I know from my own decline on the b-ball court between late 20s to early 30s.

[eric365]

:bang Sick of hearing this shit they will get nobody of importance in 2012. Even if they don't pickup Bynum's option like laker fans keep on saying they are still over the cap. You honestly believe one of those 2 guys will come there to play for the mle and pass up the max when they are in their primes. Also I don't buy that bs the magic will trade Dwight for Bynum straight up. Bynum is a toxic asset that is very overrated. Its sad how much the Gasol trade has traumatize people in here into believing the lakers can get anybody at anytime. There is no quick fix for the lakers they will be pretty much what they were post magic from 1991-1996.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm
This link shows they are over the cap in 2012

Sign and trade. Paul or Howard would accept to be paid only 12 or 13 M the first year with the 10% raise every year.

And the Lakers could propose Artest or Odom + 3,4 M expirer (Fisher) + draft picks (3rd Gasol brother :lol).
Fisher use his player option and come back to the Lakers 1 month later
=> Orlando or NO get a good player at a small price + draft picks. It's better than nothing in return (ask Cleveland...)

If it fails, they give up Bynum or Gasol. It's a no brainer to get Howard and Howard gets a big contract.

It's not more unlikely than the Gasol trade 3 years ago

[Baseline]

If Dwight Howard is smart, he'll force a trade to either Chicago, the Knicks, or Miami. If he joined any of those teams, they'd win the title.

However, if he was traded to LA for either Bynum or Gasol, there's no guarantee that he'd win the title.

With Bryant making 25M+ for the next three years, and everybody who has ever played with him hates his guts, LA is going nowhere but down.

Honestly, the Lakers would be better off as a franchise if they traded Bryant after this season. But everybody is so afraid of him, we all know it would never happen.

[eric365]

If Dwight Howard is smart, he'll force a trade to either Chicago, the Knicks, or Miami. If he joined any of those teams, they'd win the title.

However, if he was traded to LA for either Bynum or Gasol, there's no guarantee that he'd win the title.

With Bryant making 25M+ for the next three years, and everybody who has ever played with him hates his guts, LA is going nowhere but down.

Honestly, the Lakers would be better off as a franchise if they traded Bryant after this season. But everybody is so afraid of him, we all know it would never happen.

Rumor (Bucher) says he want LA or Nets. I know it's not the best possible source.

Miaimi has even less assets than LA to get him. It's MLE or giving up one of the 3 amigos.
Miami should defintely propose Bosh though. James / Wade / Howard and every team can start tanking in the first game of the season to get an high draft pick

[jimo2305]

what better way to end an era than a royal screw?

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9498/kobedirkcuban.jpg

[LongtimeSpursFan]

If Dwight Howard is smart, he'll force a trade to either Chicago, the Knicks, or Miami. If he joined any of those teams, they'd win the title.

However, if he was traded to LA for either Bynum or Gasol, there's no guarantee that he'd win the title.

With Bryant making 25M+ for the next three years, and everybody who has ever played with him hates his guts, LA is going nowhere but down.

Honestly, the Lakers would be better off as a franchise if they traded Bryant after this season. But everybody is so afraid of him, we all know it would never happen.

If Howard goes to LA he would be faced with joining a team that has an aging infrastructure. If he joined 2012-2013 year then Kobe would be close to 35 and clearly already on the decline, Pau would be 33, Artest 33 and even less effective than now, Fisher 109 and Odom on his second Kardashian.
The Lakers need young guns at the point and the wings. Those should be their primary targets.

[daslicer]

Sign and trade. Paul or Howard would accept to be paid only 12 or 13 M the first year with the 10% raise every year.

And the Lakers could propose Artest or Odom + 3,4 M expirer (Fisher) + draft picks (3rd Gasol brother :lol).
Fisher use his player option and come back to the Lakers 1 month later
=> Orlando or NO get a good player at a small price + draft picks. It's better than nothing in return (ask Cleveland...)

If it fails, they give up Bynum or Gasol. It's a no brainer to get Howard and Howard gets a big contract.

It's not more unlikely than the Gasol trade 3 years ago

I still don't see that going down. Again it seems that you are traumatized from the Gasol trade. Howard wants to go to LA but it doesn't mean he will get it. Hell Olaujuwon in the fall of '92 wanted to be traded to the lakers but the rockets didn't comply. The ball is really in the Magic's corner in this I doubt they take LA's crap for Howard. Artest lol the guy is a toxic asset and there is no way any team would take him in package for a player like Howard or CP3. I think both the hornets and magic have more leverage over their franchise players then the Cavs and Raptors had last year. What can Howard do to the magic other then threaten to go to the knicks. Also if the Knicks want Howard then CP3 has 0 leverage because he can't go anywhere. There is no other desirable location that has cap space to sign either Dwight or CP3 other then the Knicks. Its really hornets and magic's choice if they want to trade their franchise player to the lakers for trash. I don't think they will but then again you never know considering the Grizzlies were willing to do it before.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

I fucking hate Lakers. I hope they burn in hell.

[eric365]

I still don't see that going down. Again it seems that you are traumatized from the Gasol trade. Howard wants to go to LA but it doesn't mean he will get it. Hell Olaujuwon in the fall of '92 wanted to be traded to the lakers but the rockets didn't comply. The ball is really in the Magic's corner in this I doubt they take LA's crap for Howard. Artest lol the guy is a toxic asset and there is no way any team would take him in package for a player like Howard or CP3. I think both the hornets and magic have more leverage over their franchise players then the Cavs and Raptors had last year. What can Howard do to the magic other then threaten to go to the knicks. Also if the Knicks want Howard then CP3 has 0 leverage because he can't go anywhere. There is no other desirable location that has cap space to sign either Dwight or CP3 other then the Knicks. Its really hornets and magic's choice if they want to trade their franchise player to the lakers for trash. I don't think they will but then again you never know considering the Grizzlies were willing to do it before.

Nets and other teams will have the cap space to take Howard. Orlando has no leverage

So what the magic should do if Howard says : I'm not going back, if you don't accept Odom (or Artest) + draft picks I go to the Nets and you'll have nothing back

BTW Nets is not a bad choice. Brook lopez will still be in his rookie deal so they will have the cap space for a Deron Williams / Dwight Howard / Brook Lopez big 3.
Add ring chasers and shooters for vet minimum like Miami did and you have a strong contender with a great frontcourt.

[rmt]

If I'm Howard, I'd ask to be traded for Bosh. Riley will go for that. Miami has young, perimeter players - unlike LA.

LA will reload - they only need to shore up the PG position. Some stupid GM will hand over a young Dragic/Vasquez type player.

[024]

riley won't break up the heat trio when they win the championship this year.

[spurtech09]

I just watched the Mavs dismantle the Lakers and I don't know whether to rejoice or cry. As much as I couldn't stand Kobe all these years, his decline is sad as is the Lakers' end since the Lakers greatness went hand in hand with the Spurs' greatness. The Lakers' core has become way too old, fat and happy to compete with the Mavs much less for a title.

Bye bye Laker dynasty. You were a thorn in our side, but a familiar one, and sometimes unpleasant familiarity is better than the unknown.sadly yes the lakers are getting old and there down 2-0 but mavs are known for choking ....so don't be surprised if the lakers come back to tie up the mavs....I wouldn't be surprised if the lakers end up winning the series....:hat

[DMC]

It sucks to see a colluding big market franchise that's totally screwed any semblance of balance in the NBA for so many years actually become marginal. I cannot bear to watch.

[daslicer]

Nets and other teams will have the cap space to take Howard. Orlando has no leverage

So what the magic should do if Howard says : I'm not going back, if you don't accept Odom (or Artest) + draft picks I go to the Nets and you'll have nothing back

BTW Nets is not a bad choice. Brook lopez will still be in his rookie deal so they will have the cap space for a Deron Williams / Dwight Howard / Brook Lopez big 3.
Add ring chasers and shooters for vet minimum like Miami did and you have a strong contender with a great frontcourt.

Orlando is better off by letting him walk then accepting the trash the lakers would offer. Does it really make sense to take on Odom's and Artest's contract especially knowing Artest is on your books for a few more years. Artest is a cancer the Lakers even tried trading him earlier this year but nobody wanted him due to his mental instability. Artest and Odom are both past their prime there is no point of trading for them. They have better options with trying to work out a sign and trade with the nets or doing somehow multiple 3 way deal involving the nets rather then do a deal with the lakers where they are taking on contracts 30 plus year old has beens.

[peskypesky]

Props and respect to the Mavs!!! I hate you bastards, but not nearly as much as I hate the Lakers. I cheer you on as you beat them down.

[4>0rings]

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[rwb]

I shed no tears for the Lakers. The only sadness I feel for any tarnishment of their dynasty is the total lack of involvement that the Spurs have had in it, and in particular that Mark Cuban gets to have the gloating rights. THAT sucks. Nope, all it means is that the Spurs dynasty fall gets to be the footnote in the lead story of the Lakers dynasty fall--meaning we still get to stay under the national radar even in failure. But at least the Spurs were able to leave with dignity while Artest the "Good Citizen of the Year" takes out his frustration with his elbow to his enemy's head.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Screw em :td

[ChuckD]

Nets and other teams will have the cap space to take Howard. Orlando has no leverage

So what the magic should do if Howard says : I'm not going back, if you don't accept Odom (or Artest) + draft picks I go to the Nets and you'll have nothing back

BTW Nets is not a bad choice. Brook lopez will still be in his rookie deal so they will have the cap space for a Deron Williams / Dwight Howard / Brook Lopez big 3.
Add ring chasers and shooters for vet minimum like Miami did and you have a strong contender with a great frontcourt.

Teams (NJ) are smarter than that. Learning from Chicago, post MJ, most teams will put a time bomb on their offer. They give the player a few days to a week. to accept, or it's null and void. That cuts the leverage for a third party like LA way down.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

I don't get this thread.

Are we supposed to wax nostalgic over the end of the hated, detestable Lakers' reign?

The only thing better than the Lakers' reign coming to an end would be if it had never existed to start with.

[Calispursfan11]

I don't get this thread.

Are we supposed to wax nostalgic over the end of the hated, detestable Lakers' reign?

The only thing better than the Lakers' reign coming to an end would be if it had never existed to start with.

You got it parter, I'm waxing on and off with nostalgia... as better described by the following classic:

summer, summer, summertime

time to sit back and unwind

Verse One: Fresh Prince

Here it is the groove slightly transformed

just a bit of a break from the norm

just a little somethin' to break the monotony

of all that hardcore dance that has gotten to be

a little bit out of control it's cool to dance

but what about the groove that soothes that moves romance

give me a soft subtle mix

and if ain't broke then don't try to fix it

and think of the summers of the past

adjust the base and let the alpine blast

pop in my CD and let me run a rhyme

and put your car on cruise and lay back cause this is summertime

Chorus

Verse Two: Fresh Prince

school is out and it's a sort of a buzz

a back then I didn't really know what it was

but now I see what have of this

the way that people respond to summer madness

the weather is hot and girls are dressing less

and checking out the fellas to tell 'em who's best

riding around in your jeep or your benzos

or in your Nissan sitting on lorenzos

back in Philly we be out in the park

a place called the plateau is where everybody goes

guys out hunting and girls doing likewise

honking at the honey in front of you with the light eyes

she turn around to see what you beeping at

it's like the summers a natural afradesiac

and with a pen and pad I compose this rhyme

to hit you and get you equipped for the summer time

Chorus

Verse Three: Fresh Prince

it's late in the day and I ain't been on the court yet

hustle to the mall to get me a short set

yeah I got on sneaks but I need a new pair

cause basketball courts in the summer got girls there

the temperature's about 88

hop in the water plug just for old times sake

break to ya crib change your clothes once more

cause you're invited to a barbeque that's starting at 4

sitting with your friends cause y'all remincise

about the days growing up and the first person you kiss

and as I think back makes me wonder how

the smell from a grill could spark up nostalgia

all the kids playing out front

little boys messin round with the girls playing double-dutch

while the DJ's spinning a tune as the old folks dance at your family reunion

then six o'clock rolls around

you just finished wiping your car down

it's time to cruise so you head to the summertime hangout

it looks like a car show

everybody come lookin real fine

fresh from the barber shop or fly from the beauty salon

every moment frontin and maxin

chillin in the car they spent all day waxin

leanin to the side but you can't speed through

Two miles an hour so everybody sees you

there's an air of love and of happiness

and this is the Fresh Prince's new defintion of summer madness

[ezau]

I hate the Mavs, but not as much as I hate the Lakers. TBH, I've always liked Dirk's game and I think he deserves to win a championship after staying loyal to his team for years.

[Sean Cagney]

I hate the Mavs, but not as much as I hate the Lakers. TBH, I've always liked Dirk's game and I think he deserves to win a championship after staying loyal to his team for years.

Yeah Dirk is the man! No doubt.

[Vito Corleone]

it's not over yet. When the scoreboard says 4-0, i'll celebrate. Anything can happen eg. Dirk could sprain his vagina.

fify

[mytespurs]

Lakeshow isn't out of it yet. They're only down 2 games; they can win a game or 2 in Dallas and then it's a whole different series.

Lakers have too much good talent & coaching to go down w/o a fight & I'm not convinced that the Mavs have shedded their "soft" reputation-physically & mentally.

This weekend will tell a lot.

[Calispursfan11]

Stick a fork in the Lakers. They're DONE and with them goes a golden era of NBA Superstars. Not just done for the season, but done for a few more years at least. Celtics are soon to follow, but at least they are going home for game 3 and still have a slight chance.

[Calispursfan11]

I haven't seen John Basedow or Lakaluva in recent days.

[Fireball]

I haven't seen John Basedow or Lakaluva in recent days.

do not forget the fucker Giuseppe ...

[Calispursfan11]

do not forget the fucker Guiseppe ...

All them all nowhere to be found, and yet, the Spurs faithful keep on posting!

[Giuseppe]

do not forget the fucker Giuseppe ...

Nobody ever forgets this fucker.

[itzsoweezee]

Bye bye bitches! haha, FUCK THE LAKERS.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

If someone had told us, a month ago, that neither the Spurs or Lakers would advance to the Western Conference Finals, it would have been a shocker.

[DirkDoesWork]

Love watching Pau Gasoft and Lamar Kardashian walk off the court pouting. Brought joy to my heart.

[Budkin]

If someone had told us, a month ago, that neither the Spurs or Lakers would advance to the Western Conference Finals, it would have been a shocker.

Seriously... I was so hyped for that series... especially with us having HCA.

[Calispursfan11]

The fork was in them after game 2. The Mavs just twisted it for some extra pain. The team up 3-0 in a 7 game series has a record of 98-0. Now it's just a matter of whether it's done with a broom or can last a couple more games.

[Calispursfan11]

Lakeshow isn't out of it yet. They're only down 2 games; they can win a game or 2 in Dallas and then it's a whole different series.

Lakers have too much good talent & coaching to go down w/o a fight & I'm not convinced that the Mavs have shedded their "soft" reputation-physically & mentally.

This weekend will tell a lot.

convinced yet?

[timtonymanu]

Lakers choked tonight. You never saw that in them during their 2 year run.

It's OVAH.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

just hope the spurs' FO are learning something about this mavs/lakers series

something like, get some extra help in the paint right now

[z0sa]

It's truly the end of the initial "post-MJ Shaq/Tim/Kobe" era. One of those guys may "luck" into a title, Kobe having the most chances, but the odds really are against all of em now.

It was a great run, and one of the best eras of basketball in history. I'm proud I was there for all of it, and some of my best memories as a fan of both the Spurs and basketball were forged from it.

[Tinystarz]

new era the next few years?

rose...wade....lebron...anthony...durrant...randol ph? looks good.

[Calispursfan11]

It's truly the end of the initial "post-MJ Shaq/Tim/Kobe" era. One of those guys may "luck" into a title, Kobe having the most chances, but the odds really are against all of em now.

It was a great run, and one of the best eras of basketball in history. I'm proud I was there for all of it, and some of my best memories as a fan of both the Spurs and basketball were forged from it.

Exactly what I'm talking about. The 2006 Mavs/Spurs series, the battles with Nash, the battles with Garnett and Wally Scerbiak,... Ginobili's performance against the Pistons in the finals, TP going off for 50 + points, making the Laker bench cry and more.

There are sure to be more classics with the new generation, but there will never be another Kobe, Duncan, Manu or Tony in their prime.

Timmy has been on the decline and he just looks sad sometimes, but he is so great a teammate that he would never let his ego get in the way of the next generation.

On the other hand, I fear that Kobe's fall will not be much more graceful than AI's fall. Oh how hard you fall when you were the best and your body can no longer compete. Making matters worse for Kobe, his body is more banged up because he has been in the league since his teens and arrogance is not something easily changed.

[Calispursfan11]

don't let the door hit your mamba on the way out

Good one buddy!

[ChuckD]

I haven't seen John Basedow or Lakaluva in recent days.

Basedow is the worst kind of POS Laker fan. Some of their other fans are annoying and delusional, but they're HERE taking their lumps.

This is for you, JB


Strut on by like a king
Telling everybody they know nothing
And long live what you thought you were
And time ain't on your side anymore (anymore)

And so you tell me I
Can't take my chances
But I told you one too many times
And you were crying like a bitch

I'm tougher than nails
I can promise you that
Step out of line
And you get bitch-slapped back
And you can run
Your little mouth all day
But the hand of god
Just smacked you back into yesterday

And so you tell me I
Can't take my chances
But I told you one too many times
And you were crying like a bitch

And you wonder why
No one can stand you
And there's no denying
You were crying like a bitch
You were crying like a bitch

Blinded by your sacred faded past times
Only time is your enemy
Granted a second chance
To prove that your arrogance
Is stronger than you'll ever be
Is stronger than you can be

Oh stronger than you can be
Oh stronger than you can (be)

And so you tell me I
Can't take my chances
But I told you one too many times
And you were crying like a bitch

And you wonder why
No one can stand you
And there's no denying
You were crying like a bitch

You were crying like a bitch
You were crying like a bitch
You were crying like a bitch

Oh Bitch

[Spurtacus]

If Phil Jackson officially leaves LA then the era is closed. I still think the Lakers, with the help from the NBA, will make a play for a superstar or two (Dwight, Deron, CP3) to contend during Kobe's final years.

[peskypesky]

I hate the Mavs, but not as much as I hate the Lakers. TBH, I've always liked Dirk's game and I think he deserves to win a championship after staying loyal to his team for years.

:toast

[peskypesky]

It's truly the end of the initial "post-MJ Shaq/Tim/Kobe" era. One of those guys may "luck" into a title, Kobe having the most chances, but the odds really are against all of em now.

It was a great run, and one of the best eras of basketball in history. I'm proud I was there for all of it, and some of my best memories as a fan of both the Spurs and basketball were forged from it.

i think if Tim goes to Miami he might be able to win another ring. But he'd have to do it real soon. Like next year.

[Calispursfan11]

i think if Tim goes to Miami he might be able to win another ring. But he'd have to do it real soon. Like next year.

What do you think the chances are?

[ChuckD]

What do you think the chances are?

Zero. Miami would have to trade either one of their big three, or the rest of their roster and then play 4 on 5 for the entire season.

[Calispursfan11]

Per NBA.com

"Without a win today in Dallas, the Laker dynasty would appear to be over."

[Calispursfan11]

Per NBA.com

"Without a win today in Dallas, the Laker dynasty would appear to be over."

And I read for the first time today that Gasol's underperformance may be related to Kobe Bean's wife convincing Pau's 21 year old fiance to leave him, resulting in a spat between Gasol and Kobe that is still going through the series. If this is really what's going on, what a way for the dynasty to fall!

[Proxy]

I call bullshit on all this, 'end of the Laker dynasty' jive. They get Howard next year, and this shit starts over again.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

Mavs are absolutely crushing the Lakers right now!

[ajh18]

Since when do back-to-back titles constitute a dynasty?

[dbreiden83080]

Bye Bye Kobe..

[dbreiden83080]

I call bullshit on all this, 'end of the Laker dynasty' jive. They get Howard next year, and this shit starts over again.

They are not getting Howard

ESPN are full of morons..

[fraga]

Well...at least we didn't get swept.. :S

[Calispursfan11]

Well...at least we didn't get swept.. :S

We coulda used Terry's shooting against Memphis.

[Calispursfan11]

Mavs are absolutely crushing the Lakers right now!

As much as it warms my heart to see them get beat down, it's really almost to the point of humiliation. Would have been more exciting if a little bit competitive, but Dirk and Terry are just smacking them like stepchildren right now. Artest getting blocked by the rim all alone on the breakaway was also whatever word means worse than pathetic.

[20beastie45]

IMO, This series loss for the Lakers is much worse than the series the Spurs did!..

WOW!

[Bruno]

That's so fucking awesome to see Lakers imploding like that.
:lmao @ Bynum and Odom.

[Calispursfan11]

That's so fucking awesome to see Lakers imploding like that.
:lmao @ Bynum and Odom.

It's honestly gotta be torture for Lakaluvas everywhere to sit through this beating.

[Spurs Brazil]

FTL.

And now FTM

[Solid D]

Lakers 86 Dallas Bench 86

[Brazil]

122
86

:lmao

bynum is a fucking dirty bastard

[temujin]

I can't believe odom was ejected for that little bump.

[temujin]

Peja is back.

Watch out.

[Texas_Ranger]

Hahahahahhahahahahhahah!!!!!

[JustinJDW]

"End of an Era"? Please, GTFO. They're still gonna be a beast of a team next year with Kobe, Gasol and Bynum. They just have to get a new PG and improve their perimeter defense. We're the team that's fucked next season.

:lol

[peskypesky]

lmao

[Splits]

Lakers win with no class and they lose with no class. Classless team for a classless city. I could not be happier seeing this organization getting bootstomped and swept out of the playoffs by the NBAs most choking organization. I hope severe misery on every Laker fan. Happy Mother's day, fuck heads. DIAF

[Chomag]

Well I guess Spurstalk is going to be allot quieter around here now that a few of the Laker trolls jump off the bandwagon.

So..... are they Lakers now going get Randolph, Mayo. Allen, and Battier for just Steve Blake or something from their farm team for next season? Come on Stern! work that magic!!!!

[eric365]

Just gone on a Lakers board and it's not even funny.
I thought there would be some meltdown and crazy talk but it wasn't

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

That is me happily laughing my arse off at the end of the Fakers' run.

I think I hate them just a little more than the Mavs.

[timtonymanu]

I only wish we saw Kobe or Fisher cry again. But the sweep felt good.

[Calispursfan11]

To the few of you who have doubted this is the end for LA until yesterday, can you still say that after today's game.

[benefactor]

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[spurtech09]

i just watched the mavs dismantle the lakers and i don't know whether to rejoice or cry. As much as i couldn't stand kobe all these years, his decline is sad as is the lakers' end since the lakers greatness went hand in hand with the spurs' greatness. The lakers' core has become way too old, fat and happy to compete with the mavs much less for a title.

Bye bye laker dynasty. You were a thorn in our side, but a familiar one, and sometimes unpleasant familiarity is better than the unknown.
i don't think its an end of an era for the lakers....lakers need a new pg and some shooters....there you go there back in the game..

[ChuckD]

i don't think its an end of an era for the lakers....lakers need a new pg and some shooters....there you go there back in the game..

They have no money to shop. They have no real assets or decent picks to trade. Their payroll is $90M and growing. The might be able to get one backup PG or one shooter for the MLE.

[Calispursfan11]

Wow, what a collapse today for the mighy Lakeshow. Laker fans must be jumping off buildings right now.

To that I say in the words of Adam Sandler's Thanksgiving song:

"Kobe bean kobe bean meatloaf sandwich!"

[JudynTX]

:D

http://www.didthelakersgetswept.com/

[rwb]

I really wonder how the poor guys at ESPN are taking this. Must be devastating. :violin

[Calispursfan11]

I know it is early, but it's hard to imagine the Lakers reaching the finals this year or making any significant improvement as long as Kobe remains the focus of the team. The fact that the Lakers and Spurs have both been so dominant for so many years was just how it was until a rapid and obvious drop off the last couple of years. Whether you liked or hated the Lakers, they were always there and you had to respect their coach, drive and technical basketball prowess. But everything that dominates has an end. We are seeing the beginning of it now for both the Lakers and the Spurs.

The years are passing, and no one, no matter how great is immune to the passage of time. However, I believe that the Spurs' attempts to rebuild on the fly might help to reverse the aging process and keep them in contention longer than the Lakers. We don't see the same from the Lakers this year after the Odom/Paul snafu. They appear to be totally out of sorts looking like a bunch of old guys and no name bench players. When M. World Peace and Steve Blake are your only serviceable bench players, you are not very deep.

Goodbye Lakers. We may very well join you in the dregs soon, but not yet. Not yet.

[DMC]

The Lakers are the most coddled team in the league. I cannot muster any sympathy for their brief respite from the Finals much like how I cannot muster sympathy for the Yankees or Fidel Castro.

[Giuseppe]

The Lakers are the most coddled team in the league. I cannot muster any sympathy for their brief respite from the Finals much like how I cannot muster sympathy for the Yankees or Fidel Castro.

Only P's & A's whine.

[Hooks]

Its clear stern has a new favorite in la, this means no more 24 4q fts nor calls favoring the lakers. The lakers will take on the clip shows former place as the shittiest team in the la as they gradually decline. Rip lakers.

[Calispursfan11]

Its clear stern has a new favorite in la, this means no more 24 4q fts nor calls favoring the lakers. The lakers will take on the clip shows former place as the shittiest team in the la as they gradually decline. Rip lakers.

I tend to think you have a great point here.

[xmas1997]

This is the one year I would prefer them and the Mavs to do well and the Spurs to do poorly due to this upcoming draft. In fact I wouldn't even mind if the Spurs ended up in the lottery this year especially since the season is practically half over anyway. I haven't missed much and they need to get lucky again with their pick before TD retires for good.

[DMC]

Only P's & A's whine.

Trendy fail

[itzsoweezee]

Time for LA to ship Kobe off to some lottery team. It won't ever happen though. Kobe comes before the team. His albatross of a contract is going to keep LA from contender status for years.

[therealtruth]

I think the Lakers were a much more dangerous team with Phil Jackson as the coach. Mike Brown is just not the same. Basically Phil > Pop > Mike.