Where does Dirk rank?..

[HarlemHeat37]

If we're ranking the best pure scorers in NBA history, where does Nowitzki rank?..so, obviously, ignoring all other facets of the game, and just focusing on scoring..

Who is ahead of him?..

Note that not only is he unstoppable, but he's also one of the most efficient players of all-time..very few players have scored like he does, while shooting 3s and making free throws at the same rate..

[DPG21920]

All I know is he is not the 2nd best PF of all time. :lol Stretch

[Giuseppe]

You can't take him seriously until he rings.

[DPG21920]

You're taking Chandler seriously and he hasn't rang. You can't have it both ways.

Choose.

[Giuseppe]

You're taking Chandler seriously and he hasn't rang. You can't have it both ways.

Choose.

Deepy, trackin' my shit.

lmcontrollinao!

[NewcastleKEG]

ONLY offense?

That's tough because you have guys like Wilkins and Bernard King (just off my head) that put the ball in the basket at will

I remember a few years ago Dirk getting compared on TNT to Tom Chambers


IF Dirk gets a ring then you can drop the OFFENSE rankings and compare him as an all around player. If he wins a ring this season I could see him stepping into the TOP25 of All Time with room to move up

[Giuseppe]

Bernard King

Matzel, matzel. Good things!

[Proxy]

Has to be top 10 due to the matchup problems he creates along with the stats. He's carried Dallas, almost by himself, since their big 3 was dismantled.... if he had a respectable 2nd option, he possibly would have a ring, and we could rank him more respectably...

it's unfortunate that the Golden State anomaly occurred when it did, and that Stern wanted the Heat to win in the finals.

[DMC]

Dirk isn't even in the top 50 all time. I don't know where he ranks, maybe in the top 150 or so.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Bend over and I'll show you a rank

[Warlord23]

In terms of pure scoring, definitely top 15, may be top 10 of all time.

Top 15, off the top of my head, in no order: Wilt, Oscar, Jabbar, West, Baylor, Rick Barry, Gervin, Dr. J, Bird, King, Jordan, Iverson, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk

[DMC]

Bend over and I'll show you a rank
You two should get a room.

[DMC]

In terms of pure scoring, definitely top 15, may be top 10 of all time.

Top 15, off the top of my head, in no order: Wilt, Oscar, Jabbar, West, Baylor, Rick Barry, Gervin, Dr. J, Bird, King, Jordan, Iverson, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk

:lmao:lmao

[Proxy]

Dirk isn't even in the top 50 all time. I don't know where he ranks, maybe in the top 150 or so.

where does the bias come from? Being a Spurs fan?

[Warlord23]

^^ The bias comes from DMC being an idiot who knows little about basketball.

DMC's idea of a good take is "Dirk is a pussy", "Mavs are chokers", etc

[Red Hawk #21]

He's in Jeff Van Gundy's "Top 5 Shooters of all time", lol seriously I think Van Gundy secretly hates the Mavs haha. But anyway, I'd say he's top 10 when it comes to scoring. I mean just think of all of his strengths: Great midrange shooter, Very good 3 point shooter, can score in the post, can find open teammates, and can handle the ball quite well for a 7 footer. The guy is just a great player, it's a shame they didn't win in '06 and '07 but it seems like he and the Mavs may actually have learned from those experiences. It would be great to see him win a ring, but it's going to be amazingly hard. He can do it though.

[frodo]

dirk easily a top5 PF of all time imo, da 2nd greatest player to retire w/o a ring (the 1st being malone undoubtedly)

[endrity]

Right now, in terms of PF he is still behind TD, KG, Malone and Barkley with respect to his legacy.

If he makes another Finals run though, I might be tempted to say that only TD and Malone have a better career than him.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Definitely top 5 PFs. Overall he'll finish around 20 at the least.

[Ghazi]

Dirk ranks right up there with the rest of the career losing choke artists.

you mad? :lol

[DMC]

^^ The bias comes from DMC being an idiot who knows little about basketball.

DMC's idea of a good take is "Dirk is a pussy", "Mavs are chokers", etc
Show me where I've said that.

What? You cannot? Didn't think so.

You're either a fucking tool or you are just mathematically challenged (or cannot look up stats).

Many of you think basketball just started 10 years ago. Dirk is not in the top 15 all time in pure scoring.

He's barely in the top 10 NOW in pure scoring.

NBA.com ranks him 23rd all time for points. How does that make him top 15? It's not opinion. Scoring is an actual numbers game. If he climbs to 15, sure... but he hasn't yet. There's no reason to extrapolate years he hasn't played.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

dirks like larry bird but taller

I couldn't have said it any better.

[DMC]

dirks like larry bird but taller
You're out of your fucking mind. Dirk isn't close to Bird, not even close.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

In terms of pure scoring, definitely top 15, may be top 10 of all time.

Top 15, off the top of my head, in no order: Wilt, Oscar, Jabbar, West, Baylor, Rick Barry, Gervin, Dr. J, Bird, King, Jordan, Iverson, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk

Makes sense my nigga. I'd put him in top ten, if you really
know basketball and aren't a complete fucking moron you know
how unique and insanely talented Dirty is....nuff said

[MookieCrew]

dirks like larry bird but taller

crofl

thereckoning doesn't want to go to the sidelines and talk to the ollllllllllllllllllllll ball coach...................










.........................efter det one!

[Greg Oden]

He's barely in the top 10 NOW in pure scoring.



Wow. Care to post your list of the best 10 pure scorers?

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

I believe that sir Charles has it spot on when he says the best
pure scorers today are Durant,Anthony and Dirk.... I'd go
Durant
Dirk
Anthony

[The 4cc Dictionary]

crofl

thereckoning doesn't want to go to the sidelines and talk to the ollllllllllllllllllllll ball coach...................










.........................efter det one!

krofl i wonder if that's gonna be the last thing he ever says to him on this forum as long as it exists i saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddd ddddddddddddd

[DMC]

Wow. Care to post your list of the best 10 pure scorers?

I don't need my own list.

It's not a guess.

1 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls (1984/85 - 1992/93)
Chicago Bulls (1994/95 - 1997/98)
Washington Wizards (2001/02 - 2002/03)
30.12

15
2 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors (1959/60 - 1961/62)
San Francisco Warriors (1962/63 - 1964/65)
Philadelphia 76ers (1964/65 - 1967/68)
Los Angeles Lakers (1968/69 - 1972/73)
30.07

14
3 *LeBron James Cleveland Cavaliers (2003/04 - 2009/10)
Miami Heat (2010/11 - )
27.83

7
4 Elgin Baylor Minneapolis Lakers (1958/59 - 1959/60)
Los Angeles Lakers (1960/61 - 1971/72)
27.36

14
5 Jerry West Los Angeles Lakers (1960/61 - 1973/74)
27.03

14
6 *Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers (1996/97 - 2006/07)
Denver Nuggets (2006/07 - 2008/09)
Detroit Pistons (2008/09)
Memphis Grizzlies (2009/10)
Philadelphia 76ers (2009/10)
26.66

14
7 Bob Pettit Milwaukee Hawks (1954/55)
St. Louis Hawks (1955/56 - 1964/65)
26.36

11
8 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs (1976/77 - 1984/85)
Chicago Bulls (1985/86)
26.18

10
9 Oscar Robertson Cincinnati Royals (1960/01 - 1969/70)
Milwaukee Bucks (1970/71 - 1973/74)
25.68

14
10 *Dwyane Wade Miami Heat (2003/04 - present)
25.41

7

http://www.sportscity.com/nba/nba-all-time-points-per-game-leaders-301/

PPG all time is the true indication of the pure scorers with nothing else considered.

This data is probably not up to the minute, but Dirk is around 22 which falls pretty much in line with the 23 I said earlier. It's not top 15 and damn sure not top 10.

[monosylab1k]

I don't need my own list.

It's not a guess.

1 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls (1984/85 - 1992/93)
Chicago Bulls (1994/95 - 1997/98)
Washington Wizards (2001/02 - 2002/03)
30.12

15
2 Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Warriors (1959/60 - 1961/62)
San Francisco Warriors (1962/63 - 1964/65)
Philadelphia 76ers (1964/65 - 1967/68)
Los Angeles Lakers (1968/69 - 1972/73)
30.07

14
3 *LeBron James Cleveland Cavaliers (2003/04 - 2009/10)
Miami Heat (2010/11 - )
27.83

7
4 Elgin Baylor Minneapolis Lakers (1958/59 - 1959/60)
Los Angeles Lakers (1960/61 - 1971/72)
27.36

14
5 Jerry West Los Angeles Lakers (1960/61 - 1973/74)
27.03

14
6 *Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers (1996/97 - 2006/07)
Denver Nuggets (2006/07 - 2008/09)
Detroit Pistons (2008/09)
Memphis Grizzlies (2009/10)
Philadelphia 76ers (2009/10)
26.66

14
7 Bob Pettit Milwaukee Hawks (1954/55)
St. Louis Hawks (1955/56 - 1964/65)
26.36

11
8 George Gervin San Antonio Spurs (1976/77 - 1984/85)
Chicago Bulls (1985/86)
26.18

10
9 Oscar Robertson Cincinnati Royals (1960/01 - 1969/70)
Milwaukee Bucks (1970/71 - 1973/74)
25.68

14
10 *Dwyane Wade Miami Heat (2003/04 - present)
25.41

7

http://www.sportscity.com/nba/nba-all-time-points-per-game-leaders-301/

PPG all time is the true indication of the pure scorers with nothing else considered.

This data is probably not up to the minute, but Dirk is around 22 which falls pretty much in line with the 23 I said earlier. It's not top 15 and damn sure not top 10.

You said top 10 NOW you dumbass.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

You said top 10 NOW you dumbass.

:lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You said top 10 NOW you dumbass.

:lmao

[Greg Oden]

If you think Bob Pettit is a better pure scorer than Dirk, then you literally are retarded. If that fact alone doesn't make you retarded, then basing it soley on career PPG confirms it.

[DMC]

You said top 10 NOW you dumbass.

No you fucking child, I said Dirk is not to 15 of all time (the OP... remember?) and I said "he's barely in the top 10 NOW in pure scoring" meaning "active players".

[DMC]

If you think Bob Pettit is a better pure scorer than Dirk, then you literally are retarded. If that fact alone doesn't make you retarded, then basing it soley on career PPG confirms it.
Numbers are right there. Argue with them all night if you like.

I suppose you think a pure scorer is just someone you think scores a lot? There are actually stats for scoring and PPG.

So, unless you are saying "people who cannot do anything else", Dirk isn't anywhere on that top 10 list.

[monosylab1k]

No you fucking child, I said Dirk is not to 15 of all time (the OP... remember?) and I said "he's barely in the top 10 NOW in pure scoring" meaning "active players".

:lmao

[monosylab1k]

so i point out that you said he's not top 10 NOW and your rebuttal is "NO!!!!!!!!!!! I said he's not in the top ten NOW!"

[Greg Oden]

Bob Pettit is a better scorer than Dirk Nowitzki :lmao Try starting a poll and see how many posters agree with that, which confirms them for mental retardation, like you've already proved you are.

[monosylab1k]

crofl Dan Marino a better QB than Tom Brady.

The numbers prove it!

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

This nikka so retarded he making a nigga team up and agree
with greg oden and mono

[DMC]

so i point out that you said he's not top 10 NOW and your rebuttal is "NO!!!!!!!!!!! I said he's not in the top ten NOW!"

Barely in does not equal not in.

[Greg Oden]

so i point out that you said he's not top 10 NOW and your rebuttal is "NO!!!!!!!!!!! I said he's not in the top ten NOW!"

:lmao what do you expect from someone who suffers from mental retardation.

[Findog]

Right now, in terms of PF he is still behind TD, KG, Malone and Barkley with respect to his legacy.

If he makes another Finals run though, I might be tempted to say that only TD and Malone have a better career than him.

He's as least even with Barkley if not ahead of him, and I'd put him close to even with Malone. What have they won that he hasn't?

[DMC]

crofl Dan Marino a better QB than Tom Brady.

The numbers prove it!

Scoring is a numbers game, idiot. It's not a judge of quality to say someone scores more PPG. You have a bad analogy.

[Axe Murderer]

lol at DMC's top 10 not even including Abdul Jabbar

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Barely in does not equal not in.

So who are the (8-9?) better pure scorers in the league right now?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

lol at DMC's top 10 not even including Abdul Jabbar

:lmao

[DMC]

lol at DMC's top 10 not even including Abdul Jabbar

It's PPG. Pure scorers score high PPG. Otherwise why do you consider Dirk so high up there? His career points put him 23rd.

[Greg Oden]

So who are the (8-9?) better pure scorers in the league right now?

Watch him post the 9 guys ahead of him in PPG.

[monosylab1k]

Scoring is a numbers game, idiot.

oh right, I forgot that there was a point where Jerry Stackhouse was the best scorer in the NBA.

[monosylab1k]

Watch him post the 9 guys ahead of him in PPG.

tbh he needs to make sure that the best total points are put ahead of him imho. total points > PPG. we're talking about pure scoring if i'm not mistaken.

[Greg Oden]

Allen Iverson shoots a career .425% from the field but dammit he averages more points than Kobe so he's a better scorer!

[monosylab1k]

crofl if Kobe played one game next season and score 30 points, then blew out his knee....

.........and Shawn Bradley came out of retirement and posted 31 points for the entire season........







..........then in "pure scoring" terms it's obvious that Shawn Bradley > Kobe because 31 > 30.

[DMC]

So who are the (8-9?) better pure scorers in the league right now?

Vince and Amare.

Dirk is 6th among active leaders.

[Axe Murderer]

Shaq = 3rd best shooter of all time. Teh numbers are right here!!

http://www.rauzulusstreet.com/basketball/nbarecords/careerfgper.htm

[Greg Oden]

at this point a lefty esque I was kidding the whole time routine is perfectly acceptable.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

DMC's list continued.

11 *Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers (1996/97 - present)
25.26
14
12 Karl Malone Utah Jazz (1985/86 - 2002/03)
Los Angeles Lakers (2003/04)
25.02
19
13 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks (1982/83 - 1993/94)
Los Angeles Clippers (1993/94)
Boston Celtics (1994/95)
San Antonio Spurs (1995/96)
Orlando Magic (1996/97)
24.83
15
14 *Carmelo Anthony Denver Nuggets (2003/04 - present)
24.73
7
15 Kareem Abdul-jabbar Milwaukee Bucks (1969/70 - 1974/75)
Los Angeles Lakers (1975/76 - 1988/89)
24.61
20
16 Larry Bird Boston Celtics (1979/80 - 1991/92)
24.29
13
17 Adrian Dantley Buffalo Braves (1976/77)
Indiana Pacers (1977/78)
Los Angeles Lakers (1977/78 - 1978/79)
Utah Jazz (1979/80 - 1985/86)
Detroit Pistons (1986/87 - 1988/89)
Dallas Mavericks (1988/89 - 1989/90)
Milwaukee Bucks (1990/91)
24.27
15
18 Pete Maravich Atlanta Hawks (1070/71 - 1973/74)
New Orleans Jazz (1974/75 - 1978/79)
Utah Jazz (1979/80)
Boston Celtics (1979/80)
24.24
10
19 *Shaquille O'neal Orlando Magic (1992/93 - 1995/96)
Los Angeles Lakers (1996/97 - 2003/04)
Miami Heat (2004/05 - 2007/08)
Phoenix Suns (2007/08 - 2008/09)
Cleveland Cavaliers (2009/10)
24.15
18
20 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors (1965/66 - 1966/67)
Golden State Warriors (1972/73 - 1977/78)
Houston Rockets (1978/79 - 1979/80)
23.17
10
21 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers (1948/49 - 1955/56)
23.13
7
22 *Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Mavericks (1998/99 - present)
22.95
12
23 *Vince Carter Toronto Raptors (1998/99 - 2004/05)
New Jersey Nets (2004/05 - 2008/09)
Orlando Magic (2009/10 - present)
22.89
12
24 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors (1950/51 - 1961/62)
22.81
10
25 *Gilbert Arenas Golden State Warriors (2001/02 - 2002/03)
Washington Wizards (2003/04 - present)
22.74
9
26 *Paul Pierce Boston Celtics (1998/99 - present)
22.51
12
27 Bernard King New Jersey Nets (1077/78 - 1978/79)
Utah Jazz (1979/80)
Golden State Warriors (1980/81 - 1981/82)
New York Knicks (1982/83 - 1986/87)
Washington Bullets (1988/89 - 1990/91)
New Jersey Nets (1992/93)
22.49
14
28 Charles Barkley Philadelphia 76ers (1984/85 - 1991/92)
Phoenix Suns (1992/93 - 1995/96)
Houston Rockets (1996/97 - 1999/00)
22.14
16
29 David Thompson Denver Nuggets (1976/77 - 1981/82)
Seattle Supersonics (1982/83 - 1983/14)
22.13
9
30 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves (1972/73 - 1976/77)
New York Knicks (1976/77 - 1978/79)
Boston Celtics (1978/79)
Detroit Pistons (1979/80 - 1980/81)
New Jersey Nets (1980/81)
Los Angeles Lakers (1981/82 - 1984/85)
Philadelphia 76ers (1985/86)


lmao Melo > all-time leading scorer in history

[DMC]

crofl if Kobe played one game next season and score 30 points, then blew out his knee....

.........and Shawn Bradley came out of retirement and posted 31 points for the season........







..........then in "pure scoring" terms it's obvious that Shawn Bradley > Kobe because 31 > 30.

Not in terms of career. It's not a single season thing. Best all time isn't for a single season.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

at this point a lefty esque I was kidding the whole time routine is perfectly acceptable.

:lmao

[monosylab1k]

Vince and Amare.

Dirk is 6th among active leaders.

:lmao 6th = "BARELY in the top 10!"

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Vince and Amare.

Dirk is 6th among active leaders.

Who are the other 3?

[Axe Murderer]

tbh I can't wait to see a game of HORSE between the statistically best shooters of all time: Artis Gilmore, Mark West, and Shaquille O'Neal

[monosylab1k]

TBH Dirk is right up there with all of the second tier stars. Barkely, Malone, AI, KG, and those guys.

and Naruto is a 2nd tier anime behind Akira and Cowboy Bebop.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

It just went right by me that he just said Vince Carter is a better scorer right now than Dirk Nowitzki.

Really. Vince Carter. Really.

[DMC]

DMC's list continued.

11 *Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers (1996/97 - present)
25.26
14
12 Karl Malone Utah Jazz (1985/86 - 2002/03)
Los Angeles Lakers (2003/04)
25.02
19
13 Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Hawks (1982/83 - 1993/94)
Los Angeles Clippers (1993/94)
Boston Celtics (1994/95)
San Antonio Spurs (1995/96)
Orlando Magic (1996/97)
24.83
15
14 *Carmelo Anthony Denver Nuggets (2003/04 - present)
24.73
7
15 Kareem Abdul-jabbar Milwaukee Bucks (1969/70 - 1974/75)
Los Angeles Lakers (1975/76 - 1988/89)
24.61
20
16 Larry Bird Boston Celtics (1979/80 - 1991/92)
24.29
13
17 Adrian Dantley Buffalo Braves (1976/77)
Indiana Pacers (1977/78)
Los Angeles Lakers (1977/78 - 1978/79)
Utah Jazz (1979/80 - 1985/86)
Detroit Pistons (1986/87 - 1988/89)
Dallas Mavericks (1988/89 - 1989/90)
Milwaukee Bucks (1990/91)
24.27
15
18 Pete Maravich Atlanta Hawks (1070/71 - 1973/74)
New Orleans Jazz (1974/75 - 1978/79)
Utah Jazz (1979/80)
Boston Celtics (1979/80)
24.24
10
19 *Shaquille O'neal Orlando Magic (1992/93 - 1995/96)
Los Angeles Lakers (1996/97 - 2003/04)
Miami Heat (2004/05 - 2007/08)
Phoenix Suns (2007/08 - 2008/09)
Cleveland Cavaliers (2009/10)
24.15
18
20 Rick Barry San Francisco Warriors (1965/66 - 1966/67)
Golden State Warriors (1972/73 - 1977/78)
Houston Rockets (1978/79 - 1979/80)
23.17
10
21 George Mikan Minneapolis Lakers (1948/49 - 1955/56)
23.13
7
22 *Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Mavericks (1998/99 - present)
22.95
12
23 *Vince Carter Toronto Raptors (1998/99 - 2004/05)
New Jersey Nets (2004/05 - 2008/09)
Orlando Magic (2009/10 - present)
22.89
12
24 Paul Arizin Philadelphia Warriors (1950/51 - 1961/62)
22.81
10
25 *Gilbert Arenas Golden State Warriors (2001/02 - 2002/03)
Washington Wizards (2003/04 - present)
22.74
9
26 *Paul Pierce Boston Celtics (1998/99 - present)
22.51
12
27 Bernard King New Jersey Nets (1077/78 - 1978/79)
Utah Jazz (1979/80)
Golden State Warriors (1980/81 - 1981/82)
New York Knicks (1982/83 - 1986/87)
Washington Bullets (1988/89 - 1990/91)
New Jersey Nets (1992/93)
22.49
14
28 Charles Barkley Philadelphia 76ers (1984/85 - 1991/92)
Phoenix Suns (1992/93 - 1995/96)
Houston Rockets (1996/97 - 1999/00)
22.14
16
29 David Thompson Denver Nuggets (1976/77 - 1981/82)
Seattle Supersonics (1982/83 - 1983/14)
22.13
9
30 Bob McAdoo Buffalo Braves (1972/73 - 1976/77)
New York Knicks (1976/77 - 1978/79)
Boston Celtics (1978/79)
Detroit Pistons (1979/80 - 1980/81)
New Jersey Nets (1980/81)
Los Angeles Lakers (1981/82 - 1984/85)
Philadelphia 76ers (1985/86)


lmao Melo > all-time leading scorer in history

In terms of pure scoring, that would be correct. Had Kareem retired earlier he would be right up there.

Kareem played almost 20 years. The last 3 have to be factored in. Without those, he's right up there.

In terms of total points, he's the king.

If Shawn Bradley played longer and scored more but only averaged 18 a game compared to Kareems 22+, is Bradley now a better pure scorer? Longevity isn't part of the equation. It can be if that question is asked.

[monosylab1k]

tbh the other night at the rec center i dropped like 30 PPG when the numbers are prorated to NBA formulas. Mono > Dirk as a pure scorer.

[DMC]

tbh the other night at the rec center i dropped like 30 PPG when the numbers are prorated to NBA formulas. Mono > Dirk as a pure scorer.
Faggots don't count.

[DMC]

It just went right by me that he just said Vince Carter is a better scorer right now than Dirk Nowitzki.

Really. Vince Carter. Really.

It went right by you because I didn't say that. Dirk is 6th, Vince is 8th or 9th among active players.


You guys need to take some stats classes to learn how to ask the right questions to get the answers you want.

[monosylab1k]

Dirk is 6th.


He's barely in the top 10 NOW in pure scoring.

:lmao

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao DMC is all kinds of stupid

[DMC]

:lmao 6th = "BARELY in the top 10!"

Subjective statements should not be scrutinized without asking for definitions.

[Greg Oden]

It went right by you because I didn't say that. Dirk is 6th, Vince is 8th or 9th among active players.


You guys need to take some stats classes to learn how to ask the right questions to get the answers you want.

Don't act like you've ever taken a stats class when you've been diagnosed as mentally retarded, with it on display.

[DMC]

:lmao DMC is all kinds of stupid
And you are just one emo kind of racist stupid.

[monosylab1k]

lol I remember back in 2nd grade during Field Day I finished in 6th place in the "Hit a football across the football field with a hockey stick" competition. I remember tellin the 9th place finisher "Don't worry man, you did good, I mean look at me I was 6th I BARELY made it to the top 10 compared to you"

[DMC]

Don't act like you've ever taken a stats class when you've been diagnosed as mentally retarded, with it on display.

Prove it.

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao stupid fuck calling me a racist emo
:lmao Dirk barely in the top 10
:lmao fat 40 year old San Antonio dumbfuck

[Greg Oden]

And you are just one emo kind of racist stupid.

that's still alot better than being mentally retarded.

[DMC]

lol I remember back in 2nd grade during Field Day I finished in 6th place in the "Hit a football across the football field with a hockey stick" competition. I remember tellin the 9th place finisher "Don't worry man, you did good, I mean look at me I was 6th I BARELY made it to the to 10 compared to you"
You should be able to remember it. It was only like 10 years ago.

[Kyle Orton]

lol I remember back in 2nd grade during Field Day I finished in 6th place in the "Hit a football across the football field with a hockey stick" competition. I remember tellin the 9th place finisher "Don't worry man, you did good, I mean look at me I was 6th I BARELY made it to the top 10 compared to you"

:lmao

[monosylab1k]

Subjective statements should not be scrutinized without asking for definitions.

:lmao and here comes the justification for retarded premature statements.

[DMC]

:lmao stupid fuck calling me a racist emo
:lmao Dirk barely in the top 10
:lmao fat 40 year old San Antonio dumbfuck

I live in Austin.

You are a racist emo kid. Get used to it. They have programs for it.

[Greg Oden]

Prove it.

Your mental retardation has been showing for a few pages now. You're probably the 6th dumbest person on Spurstalk meaning you barely made the top 10.

[DMC]

:lmao and here comes the justification for retarded premature statements.
Can't help it if you are naive and easy.

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao calling me racist for saying the Mexican who broke into my car was Mexican. lol beaner sympathizer

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Comparing Anthony's career to the first 8 seasons of Kareem's (how long Anthony has played for), Kareem has him beat 29.55ppg to 24.8ppg. So how is Carmelo already a better scorer than him?

[Greg Oden]

I live in Austin.

You are a racist emo kid. Get used to it. They have programs for it.

What kind of programs are you involved in for the mentally retarded?

[monosylab1k]

Can't help it if you are naive and easy.

Just admit it was fucking stupid for you to say Dirk was "BARELY top 10" before researching it and discovering that he was 6th.

[DMC]

Your mental retardation has been showing for a few pages now. You're probably the 6th dumbest person on Spurstalk meaning you barely made the top 10.

Has nothing to do with the fact that Dirk is not in the top 15 all time "pure" scorers in the NBA.

I cannot change the facts.

[Kyle Orton]

Comparing Anthony's career to the first 8 seasons of Kareem's (how long Anthony has played for), Kareem has him beat 29.55ppg to 24.8ppg. So how is Carmelo already a better scorer than him?

He's "barely" a better scorer dude

[Greg Oden]

Comparing Anthony's career to the first 8 seasons of Kareem's (how long Anthony has played for), Kareem has him beat 29.55ppg to 24.8ppg. So how is Carmelo already a better scorer than him?

Get out of here using logic and shit. There is a mentally retarded person in this thread, it might confuse him.

[monosylab1k]

Comparing Anthony's career to the first 8 seasons of Kareem's (how long Anthony has played for), Kareem has him beat 29.55ppg to 24.8ppg. So how is Carmelo already a better scorer than him?

Hey now! :madrun Subjective statements should not be scrutinized without asking for definitions.

[DMC]

Just admit it was fucking stupid for you to say Dirk was "BARELY top 10" before researching it and discovering that he was 6th.

I said it after I researched it. Otherwise I say he's probably not.

6th, to me, is close enough to say barely. It's less than 50%.

[DMC]

Comparing Anthony's career to the first 8 seasons of Kareem's (how long Anthony has played for), Kareem has him beat 29.55ppg to 24.8ppg. So how is Carmelo already a better scorer than him?

If you take those windows, you are correct. All time doesn't take those windows.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

It went right by you because I didn't say that. Dirk is 6th, Vince is 8th or 9th among active players.


So who are the (8-9?) better pure scorers in the league right now?


Vince and Amare.

Dirk is 6th among active leaders.

Okay.

[Greg Oden]

I cannot change the facts.

Being mentally retarded is a fact you're gonna have to live with.

[Kyle Orton]

6th, to me, is close enough to say barely. It's less than 50%.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao

[DMC]

What kind of programs are you involved in for the mentally retarded?

I try to convince them stats are real things on NBA forums.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If you take those windows, you are correct. All time doesn't take those windows.

How is Carmelo a better scorer than Abdul-Jabbar?

[monosylab1k]

6th, to me, is close enough to say barely. It's less than 50%.

:lmao

That's like saying Ronald Reagan "barely" beat Walter Mondale. He was 1st out of 3. That's only 33%!

[DMC]

Okay.

You said better, not me.

Is this really the best you guys can do collectively?

[Greg Oden]

I try to convince them stats are real things on NBA forums.

Is your mentally handicapped brain picking up any of it?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao

:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbv04bOb7S1qb9qwwo1_500.jpg

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You said better, not me.


And your answer to that was Vince Carter.

Really.

Vince Carter.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao :lmao :lmao for about 2 minutes I was really racking my brain thinking "who the FUCK is this Vince guy he keeps talking about????????????????" then I realized he was talking about Vince Carter :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[DMC]

:lmao

That's like saying Ronald Reagan "barely" beat Walter Mondale. He was 1st out of 3. That's only 33%!

Define "barely" in terms of 1 - 10.

Subjective vs Objective

Keep working at it.

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao "less than 50%", great fuckin joke Jeff

[monosylab1k]

33% = less than 50%.

Keep working at it.

[Kyle Orton]

Define "barely" in terms of 1 - 10.

Subjective vs Objective

Keep working at it.

Is 3rd place "barely" in the op 5?

[Kyle Orton]

top 5*

[DMC]

And your answer to that was Vince Carter.

Really.

Vince Carter.

His career average is 22ppg.

It is what it is. I don't like it either.

If you want the last 2 years, or even last year, you have to specify. Active players is a specific criteria.

[DMC]

Is 3rd place "barely" in the op 5?

Subjective. If you had 40% chance of surviving, would that change your view on "barely"?

[monosylab1k]

tbh DMC is the kinda dickhole who would brag about a "3 way tie for 3rd place!" if it helped his argument.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Joe%20Lieberman%20and%20GOP%20convention.jpg

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Better career averages = he's a better scorer right now.

That makes sense.

Shaq > Griffin in terms of being a better scorer as of right now.

[monosylab1k]

Subjective. If you had 40% chance of surviving, would that change your view on "barely"?

:lmao your chances are alot less than 40% of coming out of this thread not looking like a complete fucking retard, you tell us if that's "barely" or not.

[DMC]

tbh DMC is the kinda dickhole who would brag about a "3 way tie for 3rd place!" if it helped his argument.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Joe%20Lieberman%20and%20GOP%20convention.jpg
You should bring that up on your next web radio show.

[DMC]

:lmao your chances are alot less than 40% of coming out of this thread not looking like a complete fucking retard, you tell us if that's "barely" or not.

Looking like a retard to a 19 year old emo racist kid isn't something I will lose sleep over.

[monosylab1k]

You should bring that up on your next web radio show.

:lmao well it's great you ran out of ideas to defend your retarded take.

[DMC]

Better career averages = he's a better scorer right now.

That makes sense.

Shaq > Griffin in terms of being a better scorer as of right now.
No one asked about right now. I said "active players".

When I said "right now" I was referring to active players. Right now, no one is actually playing, if you want to be technical about it.

What you want is for a cherry picked time frame that agrees with your previously held notion. You can provide that if you like. There's plenty of forum space.

[monosylab1k]

Right now, no one is actually playing, if you want to be technical about it.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Holy fuck.

[Kyle Orton]

Looking like a retard to a 19 year old emo racist kid isn't something I will lose sleep over.

:lmao responding to someone else with a butthurt comment about beaners

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How is Carmelo a better scorer than Abdul-Jabbar?

[DMC]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Holy fuck.

Do you want to go back 1 game, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year? Take your pick.

It's early AM. There are no games going on right now.

[Kyle Orton]

How is Carmelo a better scorer than Abdul-Jabbar?

[DMC]

How is Carmelo a better scorer than Abdul-Jabbar?

Career PPG. Carmelo is still playing.

You can change that however you like just by asking for a different set of criteria.

If you cannot quantify your response, it's just your opinion. No one cares about your opinion.

[monosylab1k]

Do you want to go back 1 game, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year? Take your pick.

It's early AM. There are no games going on right now.

:lmao okay my parameters are "The best pure scorer from 8:30 to 11:30 Central Time on May 6, 2011". What is your answer?

[monosylab1k]

:lmao

so if it fits his argument, he goes career PPG.

or if it fits his argument, then he switches to career points.

[DMC]

Kevin Garnett

[Kyle Orton]

Career PPG. Carmelo is still playing.

You can change that however you like just by asking for a different set of criteria.

If you cannot quantify your response, it's just your opinion. No one cares about your opinion.

So lemme get this straight, Kareem is the all time leader in career points, has had seasons where he averaged 35+ PPG, and maintained his career average over a 20 year span.....yet Melo is a better scorer because he averages 24.8 points at 46% shooting while Kareem averaged 24.6 points at 56% shooting which is .2 PPG less than Melo :lmao:lmao:lmao?



Jesus fuck, you can't make this kinda stupid up :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Career PPG. Carmelo is still playing.

You can change that however you like just by asking for a different set of criteria.

If you cannot quantify your response, it's just your opinion. No one cares about your opinion.

I want to know why you think it makes sense to say that someone in their prime is better than someone who averaged five more points than said person in his prime, and ended up being the best scorer in history.

[DMC]

:lmao

so if it fits his argument, he goes career PPG.

or if it fits his argument, then he switches to career points.

It's not my argument. Argue with the numbers or ask for different criteria. Dirk is not top 15 all time in pure scoring. Dirk is not "like Larry Bird", depending on how you define "like". You could define it to make it where Dirk is exactly like Bird.

[monosylab1k]

So lemme get this straight, Kareem is the all time leader in career points, has had seasons where he averaged 35+ PPG, and maintained his career average over a 20 year span.....yet Melo is a better scorer because he averages 24.8 points at 46% shooting while Kareem averaged 24.6 points at 56% shooting which is .2 PPG less than Melo :lmao:lmao:lmao?



Jesus fuck, you can't make this kinda stupid up :lmao:lmao:lmao

It's all subjective. 6th place = barely in the top 10. Are we really awake or just part of a dream world controlled by machines who use our sleeping bodies as power cells to continue their world domination? it's all subjective.

[Kyle Orton]

It's all subjective. 6th place = barely in the top 10. Are we really awake or just part of a dream world controlled by machines who use our sleeping bodies as power cells to continue their world domination? it's all subjective.

Is the sky blue, or are the alien invaders using their secret food coloring to make the sky appear blue when it's otherwise violet? All subjective.

[DMC]

I want to know why you think it makes sense to say that someone in their prime is better than someone who averaged five more points than said person in his prime, and ended up being the best scorer in history.

It's not about opinion. I personally think MJ was the best ever, period end of story.

You have to factor in all years, not just "in his prime" when you say "all time" unless you want "in his prime", at which point you would need to qualify "all time" with "in their primes". At that point I couldn't argue because it would be pretty much subjective as to what constitutes "prime".

Like I've said over and over, you have to set your criteria, like a drop down menu.

[DMC]

It's all subjective. 6th place = barely in the top 10. Are we really awake or just part of a dream world controlled by machines who use our sleeping bodies as power cells to continue their world domination? it's all subjective.

You are referring to solipsism and that's not my angle at all. Let's not build strawmen.

[monosylab1k]

Is the sky blue, or are the alien invaders using their secret food coloring to make the sky appear blue when it's otherwise violet? All subjective.

Is DMC heterosexual or is he actually penetrating male assholes while fantasizing about women as he masturbates all over his shower tiles? It's all subjective.

[monosylab1k]

You are referring to solipsism and that's not my angle at all. Let's not build strawmen.

It's all subjective. building strawmen is subjective too. You think that but I don't. It's all subjective.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Is DMC heterosexual or is he actually penetrating male assholes while fantasizing about women as he masturbates all over his shower tiles? It's all subjective.

:rollin

[Kyle Orton]

You are referring to solipsism and that's not my angle at all. Let's not build strawmen.

Was what mono built a strawman? It's all subjective.

[DMC]

It's all subjective. building strawmen is subjective too. You think that but I don't. It's all subjective.

:rolleyes

[DMC]

Was what mono built a strawman? It's all subjective.
You can feel that it wasn't if you like. It was though.

[monosylab1k]

:rolleyes

Is that a roll of the eyes or an admission that you're retarded? I can't tell, it's all subjective. I'm takin that as you admitting you're retarded.

[Kyle Orton]

You can feel that it wasn't if you like. It was though.

:madrun:madrun:madrun you need to set the criteria for what a strawman is before calling something a strawman :madrun:madrun:madrun, it's all subjective

[monosylab1k]

It was though.

Prove it.

[DMC]

Might I recommend some homework for you kids. Here's some reading material you might want to browse over:

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/coverImage/85/04709110/0470911085.jpg

[DMC]

:madrun:madrun:madrun you need to set the criteria for what a strawman is before calling something a strawman :madrun:madrun:madrun, it's all subjective

Actually I don't unless I want you to prove me wrong.

[monosylab1k]

Might I recommend some homework for you kids. Here's some reading material you might want to browse over:

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/coverImage/85/04709110/0470911085.jpg

You said yourself that statistics are subjective.

[Kyle Orton]

Is that a roll of the eyes or an admission that you're retarded? I can't tell, it's all subjective. I'm takin that as you admitting you're retarded.

Since there's no criteria set for what a roll of the eyes is, that obviously means he's retarded, and he likes other men stimulating his prostate with their feet

[DMC]

Prove it.

You will have to take my word for it.

I don't have time to teach you stats and debate.

[DMC]

Since there's no criteria set for what a roll of the eyes is, that obviously means he's retarded, and he likes other men stimulating his prostate with their feet
Adulthood will be so difficult for you.

[Kyle Orton]

Actually I don't unless I want you to prove me wrong.

Bullshit you don't, it's all fuckin subjective, you can't make these subjective opinions without setting a clearly defined criteria!

[DMC]

Bullshit you don't, it's all fuckin subjective, you can't make these subjective opinions without setting a clearly defined criteria!

According to you.

[monosylab1k]

You will have to take my word for it.

Your words are subjective!

[DMC]

Your words are subjective!

Says you.

[Kyle Orton]

According to you.

It's all subjective, according to me means just as much as according to you

[DMC]

It's all subjective, according to me means just as much as according to you

We finally agree, according to me.

[monosylab1k]

Adulthood will be so difficult for you.

I think your statement is subjective! Maybe adulthood will be difficult for YOU! It's all subjective!

[Kyle Orton]

:lmao what?

[monosylab1k]

At least he has no other means of defending his retarded takes.

gnite.

[Kyle Orton]

Adulthood will be so difficult for you.

:lmao gr8 response bro

[DMC]

I think your statement is subjective! Maybe adulthood will be difficult for YOU! It's all subjective!
"Difficult" itself is a subjective term. Or so I say.

[DMC]

:lmao gr8 response bro

Gr8 is a subjective term.

[DMC]

At least he has no other means of defending his retarded takes.

gnite.

gnite is a subjective term.

[Kyle Orton]

I have to go to sleep since I have work tomorrow.......or maybe I don't actually have work and I'm being hypnotized into thinking I actually do, whatever, I subjectively think I have work :madrun:madrun:madrun

[DMC]

:lmao what?

Scroll up and re-read... do so subjectively or objectively.

[DMC]

I have to go to sleep since I have work tomorrow.......or maybe I don't actually have work and I'm being hypnotized into thinking I actually do, whatever, I subjectively think I have work :madrun:madrun:madrun

You will objectively get fired if you do not.

[DMC]

http://obsoletegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/Agatha-Christie-And-Then-There-Were-None-Screenshot.jpg

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

:lmao

Thinking sitting it out waiting for everyone else to get bored of his stupidity = he wins.

what a cheesedick :lmao oh wait that's subjective.

[DMC]

I didn't consider winning actually. That's a young man's game. I just play.

[Red Hawk #21]

Why did DMC have to come fuck up this thread? *Sighs*

[sonic21]

best player in the league right now
2nd scorer behind durant right now
top 5 PF of all time
top 20 all time (can move to the top 15 depending of the next few years)

Dirk rules!!

lol DMC

[redzero]

I suppose you think a pure scorer is just someone you think scores a lot? There are actually stats for scoring and PPG.

There's also FG%, FT%, 3P%, eFG%, TS%, Points Per Possession, Offensive Rating and so on. All of that is far better than going solely off of ppg.

[TDMVPDPOY]

top20

highest he can probably reach is 15-20....

[endrity]

DMC, I think you have a big problem understanding what pure scorer means. No way AI belongs anywhere in that list. AI was a pure bricker, nothing more.

[Greg Oden]

Bob Pettit.

[Kyle Orton]

Vince Carta!

[DMC]

DMC, I think you have a big problem understanding what pure scorer means. No way AI belongs anywhere in that list. AI was a pure bricker, nothing more.

Please define for the forum and me what " best pure scorer" means in terms of "in NBA history".

Hopefully then I won't have this big problem understanding it.

[endrity]

I think Barkley put it pretty well when he was describing Melo's game. He said smth like "he scores in the easiest way, scoring comes easy to him".

That's what I would say is a pure scorer, someone who has a very refined offensive game, who can put up 25 without sweating too much. And no, there is no way AI, Vince, Amare should be mentioned in the same breath (well Amare I guess deserves a mention but nothing more) as Dirk when it comes to scoring ability.

[DMC]

I think Barkley put it pretty well when he was describing Melo's game. He said smth like "he scores in the easiest way, scoring comes easy to him".

That's what I would say is a pure scorer, someone who has a very refined offensive game, who can put up 25 without sweating too much. And no, there is no way AI, Vince, Amare should be mentioned in the same breath (well Amare I guess deserves a mention but nothing more) as Dirk when it comes to scoring ability.

First things first: If the term "pure scorer" isn't clearly defined, how can you argue anyone's point on it? You just stated "that's what I would say is a pure scorer..." So am I supposed to get in phase with what each poster would call a pure scorer and try to find some resonance there? Or should I make up my own definition for it and argue from that straw castle?

Can you be a bit more descriptive? Someone who is very loose and scores easily?

You said I don't understand the concept of pure scorer. I asked you to define it. You have not defined it. They all sweat. What is "too much" in terms of sweating?

Is this whole exercise just a tribute to Dirk? If so, just say that and I will agree that Dirk is a great scorer.

AI was once one of the most prolific scorer in the game. Remember, it's about all NBA history, not just those who were in the AS game this year. Many of you don't remember that people like AI, TMac and Vince once were the big scorers. Vince's PPG is still 22 for his career average, even after the last few sub-par years. That shows you how much he scored in his days.

You can argue with the opinions, but not the stats. They are what they are. You decide what they mean.

Barkley was calling Melo the best pure scorer in the game today, not in the history of the game. That was Barkley's opinion, not based on stats.

[Bito Corleone]

I didn't consider winning actually. That's a young man's game. I just play.
Sounds like a loser's mentality to me.

[DMC]

Sounds like a loser's mentality to me.

You must be associated with losers.

There are plenty of things in life to lose and win, forum banter about sports isn't one.

[Bito Corleone]

There are plenty of things in life to lose and win, forum banter about sports isn't one.
Again, sounds like a loser's mentality.

Of course, nobody can win everything, but winners play to win, while losers make excuses.

[Ashy Larry]

best foreign player the league has seen if you don't count Olajuwon or Duncan ...

[DMC]

best foreign player the league has seen if you don't count Olajuwon or Duncan ...
So 3rd best foreign player...

[DMC]

Again, sounds like a loser's mentality.

Of course, nobody can win everything, but winners play to win, while losers make excuses.
What do you get for winning here?

Exactly, nothing.

I fish tournaments for money and boats and such. I fish to win. I fish for fun with friends, I fish to fish, to enjoy the time on the water. Here I post to enjoy my time on the forum. There's no prize.