sons IF Mavs win title this year Dirk will surpass Duncan as best PF of last 15 years

[BRHornet45]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery fucking Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

[GoodOdor]

Dirk>Tired old shitbag.

Preach the truth brother!

[Proxy]

God, you are a dumbass bitch

[BRHornet45]

God, you are a dumbass bitch

son would you like to look over the stats and the facts and then come back and make an argument?

[DPG21920]

Duncan this year statistically out defended, rebounded, assisted, blocked and stole Dirk :lol

[ajballer4]

The only stat that matters is 4 rings>0 rings. Dirk is better right now, but not over the last 15 years

[Technique]

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

Fail troll is fail.

[ajballer4]

Edit: Even if Dirk gets the one, it still fails in comparison

[Greg Oden]

Duncan this year statistically out defended, rebounded, assisted, blocked and stole Dirk :lol

yet he's at home watching Dirk on tv.

[crc21209]

:lol This nigga....

[lefty]

lol Dirk would have ONE ring

Duncan has what? 4



Oh and he is the last player to win both MVP and NBA title in the same year




BRhornet = fail, sons :lmao

[crc21209]

yet he's at home watching Dirk on tv.

With 4 LOB trophies, 2 NBA MVP's, and 3 Finals MVP's by his side....:tu

[BRHornet45]

The only stat that matters is 4 rings>0 rings. Dirk is better right now, but not over the last 15 years

lol come on son ... you sound like an ignorant Laker fan now

Horry 7

Jordan 6

[BanditHiro]

knock off that 1 from the 15 years and maybe you would have a point

[Greg Oden]

With 4 LOB trophies, 2 NBA MVP's, and 3 Finals MVP's by his side....:tu

why is your name bolded?

[lefty]

Speaking of PF's




CROFL David West


Fake tough shooting guard

[crc21209]

lol come on son ... you sound like an ignorant Laker fan now

Horry 7

Jordan 6

Yeah but Horry won basically all his rings as a role-player while Jordan won them as the main #1 option on his teams....

[crc21209]

why is your name bolded?

:lol Don't hate kid....

[BRHornet45]

Yeah but Horry won basically all his rings as a role-player while Jordan won them as the main #1 option on his teams....

and Duncan was nothing more than a role player in 2007 as well. Duncan also (as mentioned above) has played on stacked teams his entire career.

[DPG21920]

yet he's at home watching Dirk on tv.

And? The question was from BR to look at stats.

Do you think Dirk>Duncan in the context BR laid out?

[Koolaid_Man]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery fucking Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.


I'm almost certain your moms had some sort of STD when you were born...there's no other way to account for your lack of brain development.

[B-Hath]

son would you like to look over the stats and the facts and then come back and make an argument?

Why do you keep on claiming to be everyone's father?

[024]

nice baiting

[DPG21920]

Duncan this year statistically out defended, rebounded, assisted, blocked and stole Dirk :lol


yet he's at home watching Dirk on tv.


With 4 LOB trophies, 2 NBA MVP's, and 3 Finals MVP's by his side....:tu

Also, your response was essentially the same as this one :lol

[Bill_Brasky]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery fucking Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

http://i53.tinypic.com/i6dzsm.gif

[Greg Oden]

And? The question was from BR to look at stats.

Do you think Dirk>Duncan in the context BR laid out?

BR is a sage in the nba forum and doesn't let bias get in the way.

[DPG21920]

That's what I thought. DB.COM rearing it's ugly head.

[Ghazi]

Dirk > DuncanPERIOD

[DPG21920]

:lmao

[Greg Oden]

That's what I thought. DB.COM rearing it's ugly head.

Cull of all people has you in his pocket. You've no room.

[DPG21920]

This year, yes. Overall, might I suggest doing some serious contemplating.

[crc21209]

and Duncan was nothing more than a role player in 2007 as well. Duncan also (as mentioned above) has played on stacked teams his entire career.

Stacked? :lol Other than Tony, Manu, Horry (05', not 07' Horry), Bowen, and SJax (03'), I wouldnt say Oberto, Rasho, Nazr, Devin Brown, Barry, Finley, etc. we're elite players....:lol

[DPG21920]

Cull of all people has you in his pocket. You've no room.

My Mod forum > Your Mod forum. You are beneath me.

lol short.

[FkLA]

son you deserve nothing but praise for caling it like it is when it comes to kobe "glorified tmac" bryant but this right here is just plain silly, thanks for the good laugh son :lol

[DPG21920]

Cull of all people has you in his pocket. You've no room.

Also randomly bandwagoning people is very Tyson Chandler of you. By that I mean ghey.

[Greg Oden]

My Mod forum > Your Mod forum. You are beneath me.

lol short.

the difference between neither of us being mods is I get my name shown at least in forum.

[DPG21920]

No, I'm actually a mod :lol. I got to ban someone.

[Proxy]

When you compare two players that rank at such a high caliber, stats don't mean shit.

You addressed rebounding and rings..... teams have influence on that, so I'll abide.


MVPs.... Duncan has 2.

Defense... Duncan plays it. Dirk doesn't. You can't call TD's defense overrated when he as the all-NBA def. team selections to back that up.

Scoring threat in years?.... please nigga. That is bullshit. This was his first shit year on offense.... Dirk is better offensively, obviously.

Better performer in the playoffs? TD has put up some of the best all around games ever... the NJ/SA finals and the dethroning of the LA 3peat team are two good examples.

Dirk has had to carry teams.... I agree, but Duncan taking the 03 team to the finals is the icing on the goddamn cake. That team had no more talent than Dirk has had in the past decade. TD is and was smarter in making the right pass to scramble the defense.

[Greg Oden]

Sure.

[Lizard_King]

How many lies on 5/7/11?

[DPG21920]

Db.com

[Spursfan092120]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery fucking Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

There isn't a single stat that Dirk has over Tim in his career except PPG, by 3 PPG. Tim is better than Dirk on everything else..including assists. Tim has more rings...it's not even close, dude. Even this year, Tim was mostly better than Dirk, except PPG...Dirk will never pass Tim, without 5 rings...period.

[Ghazi]

There isn't a single stat that Dirk has over Tim in his career except PPG, by 3 PPG. Tim is better than Dirk on everything else..including assists. Tim has more rings...it's not even close, dude. Even this year, Tim was mostly better than Dirk, except PPG...Dirk will never pass Tim, without 5 rings...period.

:rollin

[Giuseppe]

http://i.imgur.com/EaiIH.gif


She doesn't start rotating her head till he taps it.:lol

It aint' as good as V's ass pucker loop, but, it's still choice material.

[DMC]

I know it's a troll but it's fun so whatthefuck.


now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery fucking Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could I lol'ed

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated I lol'ed again

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs I almost cried from LOLing

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams Duncan makes his teammates better. Dirk does not. Dirk defers.


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

Dirk will never even surpass the 5th greatest PF of all time. Dirk is a scorer, nothing else. Seriously. :lmao

[BRHornet45]

There isn't a single stat that Dirk has over Tim in his career except PPG, by 3 PPG. Tim is better than Dirk on everything else..including assists. Tim has more rings...it's not even close, dude. Even this year, Tim was mostly better than Dirk, except PPG...Dirk will never pass Tim, without 5 rings...period.

sons now this is about the best example of a "homer" that you will find. downright denying the facts and acting as if others can't look up the truth.


- Dirk has scored a lot more points than Duncan, 1,100+ more

- Dirk has also turned the ball over nearly 900 LESS times than Duncan

- Dirk has 100 more steals than Duncan (I guess that doesn't count for defense either according to you?)

- Dirk is far more accurate at the freebie line than Duncan, by 20%

- Dirk is far more accurate from shooting around the floor in general

so NO son its not just "ppg" they are damn near even

[BanditHiro]

you had a good thing with the Kobe "Milli Vanilli" Bryant but you are just pushing it now

[lefty]

Dirk is a great player, but he is not a real PF

[DMC]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=4&listId=293

I see Kobe and Tim on that list... no Dirk. That's an all time list with 12 players. That means Kobe and Tim are considered in the top 12 of all time.

If you want to compare them right now, Dirk is the better player without a doubt. He's around 5th or 6th best in the league. Tim is probably not in the top 25 right now.

[BRHornet45]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=4&listId=293

I see Kobe and Tim on that list... no Dirk.

lmao sports nation

[Leetonidas]

:sleep

[Greg Oden]

a list with George Mikan on it should be disregarded in the first place.

[DPG21920]

A Mav fan who even entertains this should be forced to contemplate.

[Warlord23]

The list of NBA players who were top 2 in the league in both offense and defense is very short, but 2003 Duncan is the only player in the last 15 years who makes that list:

Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan. That's it.

Dirk is one of the great all-time scorers, but his body of work is not comparable to Duncan's.

[4>0rings]

God, you are a dumbass bitch
this

[DPG21920]

This is obvious. These are things we know.

Dirk has been great this year though. Congrats.

[Leetonidas]

I know this is a troll topic, but seriously, get back to me when Dirk almost drops a quad-doub in the close out game of the finals or even drops 37/16/4/2 on prime Shaq while closing out the 3peat Lakers.

[DMC]

lmao sports nation

Vs your opinion? I'll take it any time.

[DMC]

I know this is a troll topic, but seriously, get back to me when Dirk almost drops a quad-doub in the close out game of the finals or even drops 37/16/4/2 on prime Shaq while closing out the 3peat Lakers.

Or wins a ring at all.

[Greg Oden]

Vs your opinion? I'll take it any time.

Is Mikan a top 15 player?

[DMC]

Is Mikan a top 15 player?
I never saw him play. I understand he was damn good.

Mikan became so dominant that the NBA had to change its rules of play in order to reduce his influence such as widening the lane from six to twelve feet ("The Mikan Rule"). He also played a role in the introduction of the shot clock, and in the NCAA his dominating play around the basket led to the outlawing of defensive goaltending. Mikan set the stage for the Modern Age of the NBA dominated by tall, powerful players.

-Wiki[/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mikan#cite_note-hoophall-1"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mikan#cite_note-nbacomsummary-0)

[Leetonidas]

Or wins a ring at all.

Well that could be happening soon. But it won't really matter. Dirk is a great player, one of the top 50 ever and behind TD/KG/Malone for 4th best PF ever but he is not better or even close to being the player Tim Duncan was overall. He's the better player now offensively, and I think he may be a bit better overall but Tim's defense is still way ahead of Dirk. Tim's the greatest PF ever and has Dirk beat in individual and team accolades up and down the list.

[Bill_Brasky]

Sons I honestly feel bad for people who just wanna hate on a great player and let their bias and butthurtness cloud the fact that they get the privilege to watch something special that they will probably never see again, at least any time soon.

I'm talking about Duncan/Kobe/Dirk haters. All greats in their own regards, just be glad you got to see them play.

[Spurtacus]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery fucking Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2009/344/1/4/Baby_Facepalm_Poster_by_Nianden.jpg

[badfish22]

BR with the goods

[DMC]

Well that could be happening soon. But it won't really matter. Dirk is a great player, one of the top 50 ever and behind TD/KG/Malone for 4th best PF ever but he is not better or even close to being the player Tim Duncan was overall. He's the better player now offensively, and I think he may be a bit better overall but Tim's defense is still way ahead of Dirk. Tim's the greatest PF ever and has Dirk beat in individual and team accolades up and down the list.
Who would you push out of the top 50 to put Dirk there?

[DPG21920]

adfish with the not so subtle goods.

[Giuseppe]

Sons I honestly feel bad for people who just wanna hate on a great player and let their bias and butthurtness cloud the fact that they get the privilege to watch something special that they will probably never see again, at least any time soon.

I'm talking about Duncan/Kobe/Dirk haters. All greats in their own regards, just be glad you got to see them play.

Food for thought. Bill, per usual.

[SpursPreacher]

BR slowly step away from the crack.

[Leetonidas]

Who would you push out of the top 50 to put Dirk there?

You know that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant aren't on that list either right?

[DMC]

Take your pick of sources, just show me one that shows Dirk over Tim other than the OP. Slam Magazine's "new top 50" lists Tim 8th all time, with Kobe at 12. Dirk isn't in the top 50. That was in 2009. What's really changed since then?

Tim's team ousted Dirk's in the 1st round last year.

[DMC]

You know that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant aren't on that list either right?

Then it gets really nebulous if you cannot substitute. Regardless who's also not there, you have to push someone out to bring someone in.

[Bill_Brasky]

Take your pick of sources, just show me one that shows Dirk over Tim other than the OP. Slam Magazine's "new top 50" lists Tim 8th all time, with Kobe at 12. Dirk isn't in the top 50. That was in 2009. What's really changed since then?

Tim's team ousted Dirk's in the 1st round last year.

As far as Kobe and Tim, depending on when it was published, 2 rings, but at least 1.

As far as Dirk, nothing. But again, that's all just somebody's opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

[DMC]

As far as Kobe and Tim, depending on when it was published, 2 rings, but at least 1.

As far as Dirk, nothing. But again, that's all just somebody's opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

Like I said, use whatever source you like. It's all opinion. Statistically, only Barkley was ahead of Tim in 09, but even Sir Charles said Tim was better than him. I don't remember him saying that about Dirk. Tim never had a rep for choking.

[Bill_Brasky]

Like I said, use whatever source you like. It's all opinion. Statistically, only Barkley was ahead of Tim in 09, but even Sir Charles said Tim was better than him. I don't remember him saying that about Dirk. Tim never had a rep for choking.

It's a consensus among bball greats that Timmy is the best PF ever. I trust 'em, and happen to think so myself.

Dirk is amazing though, and I'm not, nor have I ever taken him for granted, even though I was mighty butthurt between May of '06 and April of '07.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I'm sorry son but I can't follow you where you are going

You cannot compare Duncan to Dirk - for multiple reasons, the least how many points they have both scored

[DMC]

If the Heat win, Lebron is better than Jordan.

[TE]

Dirk has been better than Duncan the past couple of years. But in accounting for entire careers, Duncan has done much more. Championships, MVP's, no consistent chokes while in his prime.


This is a good argument though. But overall, I would take a prime Duncan over a prime Nowitski. That's how you have to evaluate it.


oh, and David West sucks and will never be as good as a prime Duncan/Dirk. tee, hee.

[mystargtr34]

Tbh if Dirk rings this year it's comparable to what Duncan did with the 2003 Spurs .. no other legitimate "star" help .. only Duncan in 2003 and Hakeem in 95 have lead their team to a ring with strictly role players in the modern era.. unless u count Kobe as a role player in 00 where he shot 35% against te Pacers in the finals..then u can add Shaq to the list.

What Dirk is doing is ridiculous

[100%duncan]

4>1? do the math you muthafucka

[xellos88330]

What I find odd is that you discredit the ring count as a proof of superiority, yet in your thread title, you require Dirk to get a ring in order to surpass Duncan.

You need to take a trolling class.

[Sean Cagney]

Lmfao hahahahahaha okay.

[Sean Cagney]

Dirk > DuncanPERIOD

Another F IN IDIOT IN HERE AT TIMES! LOL.

[DMC]

Another F IN IDIOT IN HERE AT TIMES! LOL.

Dirk has been better than Tim for at least a couple of years now. It's no secret.

[DJ Mbenga]

i see ma nigga br has made some new friends with some spurs fans

[Sean Cagney]

Parker has three rings so he surpasses Paul as the best PG int he last ten years....... Okay if you want to do that bro!

Finals MVP >>>>>>>>> NEAR MVP! YEP. YES SONS@!!!!!!!!!

[werewolf]

Boy am I sick of this shit. Look at Dirk's play-off stats will you? Are those the stats of a choker? Maybe, just maybe it was the rest of the team? Duncan is an all-time great. So is Dirk. Leave it alone. :bang

[endrity]

Take your pick of sources, just show me one that shows Dirk over Tim other than the OP. Slam Magazine's "new top 50" lists Tim 8th all time, with Kobe at 12. Dirk isn't in the top 50. That was in 2009. What's really changed since then?

Tim's team ousted Dirk's in the 1st round last year.

Than Slam has a real problem, if a guy with an MVP, two other top 3 finishes, and 4 All-NBA First team can't get in their top 50.

If he wins a ring, Dirk settles somewhere in the top 20.

[Halberto]

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams





good job

[ManuBalboa]

BR....c'mon son. This is just weak.

[leemajors]

tbh David West is the greatest PF in the game sons, just bad luck kept the hornets out of the second round

[Cry Havoc]

Gnsf

[D-Wade #3]

BRHornet is right sons

[ATXSPUR]

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu145/bliat/successful-troll.jpg

[WeNeedLength]

lol thread.

[Bill_Brasky]

son IF this thread reaches 8 pages BRhornet will surpass Koolaid_Man as most successful troll of the past 5 years.

[Greg Oden]

BR already takes a wet shit on koolaid man already in that regard, tbh.

[Sigz]

Duncan could never take over games?


LOL get tha fuck outta here nigga

[TampaDude]

The only stat that matters is 4 rings>0 rings. Dirk is better right now, but not over the last 15 years

^ this

Even if/when Dirk rings this June, it's still gonna be 4 > 1.

[dbreiden83080]

Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could


Stopped reading here..

[dbreiden83080]

And yet has his shitty ass at home before anyone in the playoffs.

Polishing his 4 rings and 3 finals mvp's..

[Giuseppe]

Polishing his shit bag.


tee, hee.

[BRHornet45]

Sons its so silly how the fans of this supossed "classy" organization turn into 9th ward hood rats whenever you dare to question the overrated Timmy D. No one is trying to argue that for about 7 or 8 years Timmy put up some beast numbers, but more than that should be required for a player to be considered the best. Some of you really need to wakeup and realize this isn't 2003 anymore and that even in his prime Duncan has always been blessed to play on stacked teams. Dirk is right there with him and will soon surpass him if not this season, by next.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Sons its so silly how the fans of this supossed "classy" organization turn into 9th ward hood rats whenever you dare to question the overrated Timmy D. No one is trying to argue that for about 7 or 8 years Timmy put up some beast numbers, but more than that should be required for a player to be considered the best. Some of you really need to wakeup and realize this isn't 2003 anymore and that even in his prime Duncan has always been blessed to play on stacked teams. Dirk is right there with him and will soon surpass him if not this season, by next.

how was the 2003 team stacked?

[BRHornet45]

LOL Spur fans want their cake and to eat it too. For YEARS all we have heard is that Tony Parker was the best point guard in the game, how Manu was MVP caliber and underrated, yet whenever people mention that Duncan was blessed to play with guys like that they suddenly become scrub role players and Duncan did it all by himself! .... we won't even bring David Robinson into this

[DPG21920]

BR, you should be focused on LA today, NOT the Spurs. God bless your family on this day.

[Giuseppe]

^Paul just quit Vs. the Lakers.

You got no room, BR.

[Reck]

Fail thread.

[Red Hawk #21]

^Paul just quit Vs. the Lakers.

You got no room, BR.

Paul Quit? Cubby, which series were you watching?? :wow

[Giuseppe]

Paul Quit? Cubby, which series were you watching?? :wow

Game 6.

[BRHornet45]

Game 6.

Son you mean games 5 and 6 whenever the NBA stepped in and made it 5 vs 8 on the court?

[Reck]

Game 6.

Yeah no kidding.

Did he even take more then 5 shots?

From the bit that I saw he was passing the ball to his fellow men as if saying, "This ain't my fault when we lose."

Guy was trying to bail himself out by taking himself out of the game. Pussy move.

[Bill_Brasky]

Game 6.


Yup. Documented quitter. BR has no room.

[BRHornet45]

Yeah no kidding.

Did he even take more then 5 shots?

From the bit that I saw he was passing the ball to his fellow men as if saying, "This ain't my fault when we lose."

Guy was trying to bail himself out by taking himself out of the game. Pussy move.

Son its still better than being the #1 seed and getting skull fucked out of the first round by the 8th seed all the while that goofy, giraff looking retard struggled to score double digits.

[Giuseppe]

Son its still better than being the #1 seed and getting skull fucked out of the first round by the 8th seedall the while that goofy giraff looking retard struggled to score double digits.

Christ, just take your medicine, BR. Paul quit. Kobe stuck you in a hole.

It's not the end of the world, sassafras.

[Bill_Brasky]

Son its still better than being the #1 seed and getting skull fucked out of the first round by the 8th seed all the while that goofy, giraff looking retard struggled to score double digits.

Oh, he mad.

CP3 quitPERIOD

[BRHornet45]

Christ, just take your medicine, BR. Paul quit. Kobe stuck you in a hole.

It's not the end of the world, sassafras.

Lol Kobe did nothing. You, I, and the entire world outside of the ESPN studios know it.

[BRHornet45]

Christ, just take your medicine, BR. Paul quit. Kobe stuck you in a hole.

It's not the end of the world, sassafras.

LOL Timmy D being #1 seed and getting anally dominated by big daddy Zach. Quitter, loser, and terrible human being.

[Reck]

Son its still better than being the #1 seed and getting skull fucked out of the first round by the 8th seed all the while that goofy, giraff looking retard struggled to score double digits.

Son, I wont denied the fact my Spurs got owned by a supposed 8th seed but they ain't playing like an 8th seed honestly.

I thought Spurs got beat up because they couldn't do a list of things and I thought Thunder would "skull fuck" the Grizzlies as you well surmise. But that series is playing out almost the same as the Spurs-Grizzlies one so you really have no room to bring that 1st seed losing to 8th seed crap when you see what's going on.

[Giuseppe]

LOL Timmy D being #1 seed and getting anally dominated by big daddy Zach. Quitter, loser, and terrible human being.

& a tired old shit bag ta boot.

[Bill_Brasky]

& a tired old shit bag ta boot.

You've no room. Kobe is looking mighty old, tired, and shitbaggy himself.

[Giuseppe]

You've no room. Kobe is looking mighty old, tired, and shitbaggy himself.

Get your own shit. tired old shit bag is my shit.

[Greg Oden]

Kobe's been good this series, sans letting Kidd take his cookie twice in the final minute of game 1.


tee, hee

[Giuseppe]

Kobe's been good this series, sans letting Kidd take his cookie twice in the final minute of game 1.


tee, hee

Get your own shit. tee, hee & takin the cookie is my shit.

[Greg Oden]

Get your own shit. tee, hee & takin the cookie is my shit.

you'll watch me use it, and you'll like it.

[Bill_Brasky]

Get your own shit. tired old shit bag is my shit.

My bad cubbs.

Kobe is looking rather slow, fatigued, and overall like a complete sack of asses right now.

[Giuseppe]

My bad cubbs.

Kobe is looking rather slow, fatigued, and overall like a complete sack of asses right now.

See, that's not near as formidable as tired old shit bag.

[Bill_Brasky]

See, that's not near as formidable as tired old shit bag.

I'll tweak it until it makes your old tired shitbag schtick look like child's play.

[Giuseppe]

I'll tweak it until it makes your old tired shitbag schtick look like child's play.

I'll be waiting with a bag of candy, dressed in my best bermuda shorts.

Hurry.

[Bito Corleone]

Why do so many people continue to fall for BR's nonsense?

Sons...the plain and simple fact is that neither Duncan nor Dirk can hold a candle to Captain West!

[Bill_Brasky]

Why do so many people continue to fall for BR's nonsense?

Sons...the plain and simple fact is that neither Duncan nor Dirk can hold a candle to Captain West!


That is, until West's sorry ass is traded and beats down the lowly shitstain Hornets in a playoff series.

[Bito Corleone]

That is, until West's sorry ass is traded and beats down the lowly shitstain Hornets in a playoff series.
son Cap'n west ain't leavin Nawlins eva! He gon average 35 & 20 next season and up that to 45 & 25 in the playoffs on the way to making the Bees the only team in history to go 16-0 in the playoffs...you know, if David Stern lets it happen

[BRHornet45]

bump

[DJ Mbenga]

ma nigga br does it again

[BRHornet45]

sons this shit really is good for white America

[BRHornet45]

anyone still doubting this???

I think it is crystal clear that Dirk is far better than Duncan ever was. Its not Dirk's fault that he has been stuck with below average teams over the last 10 years all the while Duncan has been blessed to play on stacked teams. That would be like saying Trent Diffler is better than Dan Marino because Marino never won a ring. just silly

[Sean Cagney]

bump

YA SEEMED TO BUMP YOUR FUCKING HEAD somewhere along the line :rollin:lmao:lmao

[Ghazi]

BR Hornet get the fuck on AIM

[fevertrees]

sons this shit really is good for white America

[NewJerSpur]

:sleep

[GuerillaBlack]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2440405/dirk-dance-o.gif

[joshdaboss]

Things that are obvious:

Dirk has 0 rings.
Dirk is a choker.
Dirk plays no defense.
I could score on Dirk.

[Blouses]

Things that are obvious:

Dirk has 0 rings.
Dirk is a choker.
Dirk plays no defense.
I could score on Dirk.

True, although not for long
False
False
False, lol theres a reason your last basketball game was in highschool

all in all, you gotta serious case of madbutt

[Agloco]

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams

There's not a single person on Gods Green Earth that believes any of these points (save the shooting), including yourself. :lol

[Agloco]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2440405/dirk-dance-o.gif

:lmao

[Killakobe81]

One title is not near enough to make this claim. But Malone, chuck and KG better make room for dirk in the discussion for the #2 PF spot of the last 30 years ...

[ALVAREZ6]

One title is not near enough to make this claim. But Malone, chuck and KG better make room for dirk in the discussion for the #2 PF spot of the last 30 years ...

I'm not sure you can put him ahead of KG, even though I hate that piece of shit

[rasho8]

I'm not sure you can put him ahead of KG, even though I hate that piece of shit

He is way better than KG.

[Jt.ONE]

lol a lot of spur fans giving praise to BR when he knocks on kobe, but when BR talks smack about their hero tim duncan they start to :cry

[windboy226]

Duncan best forward of all time. Dirk is my most favorite player of all-time but give Duncan his due. Duncan was an absolute beast and so consistent for so many years.

KG? No brainer-Dirk is better. KG could never lead his team anywhere when he was the main man in Minny.

[endrity]

I'm not sure you can put him ahead of KG, even though I hate that piece of shit

KG was never the franchise player Dirk is. He wanted to be paid like one, but never was the closer Dirk is. That's what I want my main player to be able to do. Even in the finals in 08, KG played too much hot potato with the ball.

Taking a team full of average players to the Finals like Dirk is doing for a second time is more than anything KG has achieved. I don't want to open the whole KG v. Dirk debate, it's been debated here ad nauseum. I said that while KG was probably a lesser player, his career would be better remembered after the two finals appearances. Now Dirk will most likely have two as well, and with much weaker casts.

[Killakobe81]

I'm not sure you can put him ahead of KG, even though I hate that piece of shit

Was debating this with a Mavs fan before Game 4. i agree I would still give KG the edge. but Dirk doesnt appear to be slowing down. IF dirk rings he definitely has a "case" ...but i still would argue KG up to this point and even with just ring each. but dirk has a few more seasons like this past one ...his case is strong.

[Killakobe81]

Was debating this with a Mavs fan before Game 4. i agree I would still give KG the edge. but Dirk doesnt appear to be slowing down. IF dirk rings he definitely has a "case" ...but i still would argue KG up to this point and even with just ring each. but dirk has a few more seasons like this past one ...his case is strong.

Great points. I cant disagree. However I think (or thought though dirk is making me reconsider) that KG is closer to dirk offensively (meaning the gap is not as wide) as the gap is between KG's defense and dirk's.

But if dirk rings, like i said it will be a interesting debate. Especially if dirk puts up a few more seasons like the past couple ...

[cheguevara]

Prime KG was a beast. Prime KG with Kidd and Chandler win the ring easily.
and I also hate the piece of shit.

#1 Duncan (by a mile)
#2 KG
#3 Malone
#4 Dirk
#5 Barkley

IF Dirk wins 1 ring, he goes ahead of Malon.

IF Dirk wins 3 rings, he goes ahead of KG.

IF Dirk wins 5 rings, he goes ahead of Duncan.

[Killakobe81]

Prime KG was a beast. Prime KG with Kidd and Chandler win the ring easily.
and I also hate the piece of shit.

#1 Duncan (by a mile)
#2 KG
#3 Malone
#4 Dirk
#5 Barkley

IF Dirk wins 1 ring, he goes ahead of Malon.

IF Dirk wins 3 rings, he goes ahead of KG.

IF Dirk wins 5 rings, he goes ahead of Duncan.

wow someone also values "rings" ...neat concept. Only the fans of teams/stars without rings dismiss their importance. And no one please bring up Horry, we are talking best PF's of the past 30 years ...I love Big shot rob but he is NOT in this discussion.

[Budkin]

sons :lmao

[Killakobe81]

One more dirk note ...

If dirk closes this out next game with a signature performance. As much as I admire Duncan, kobe and shaq i would have to rank this playoff run up there with hakeem's as the best I have seen since Hakeem's back2back ...OFFENSIVELY. Obviously all 4 have had better "two way" playoff runs, but dirk offensively is on another planet. since Mj I think only hakeem's run has been better. But he HAS to win.

[BanditHiro]

lol a lot of spur fans giving praise to BR when he knocks on kobe, but when BR talks smack about their hero tim duncan they start to :cry

because even though he may not realize it, his smack about kobe is accurate. you will see once LeBron rings and they start to do the comparison of MJ, Kobe, LeBron that Kobe's stats will expose him as a glorified chucker.

[endrity]

One more dirk note ...

If dirk closes this out next game with a signature performance. As much as I admire Duncan, kobe and shaq i would have to rank this playoff run up there with hakeem's as the best I have seen since Hakeem's back2back ...OFFENSIVELY. Obviously all 4 have had better "two way" playoff runs, but dirk offensively is on another planet. since Mj I think only hakeem's run has been better. But he HAS to win.

Word!

Actually his 2006 run also was stuff of legends, even with a not so superb Finals.

[ALVAREZ6]

He is way better than KG.

Currently he is. KG is in prime though was better, could score, rebound, and defend. Dirk is a scorer.

[endrity]

Currently he is. KG is in prime though was better, could score, rebound, and defend. Dirk is a scorer.

Dirk is a closer, KG played hot potato with a basketball in closing moments. That's not a franchise player.

[z0sa]

Dirk might be best PF of some period of years in his career, but Tim is the best all-time sucka

[DMC]

trollol

[Pelicans78]

Dirk is a franchise player.

He's also been the best regular season player since 2000. Its really not close. His production in the regular season has been unmatched during that time span. He only needs a championship to validate his legacy. His career is similar to Peyton Manning's. If Dirk wins a championship, he may go down as the best player in this generation. Its debatable but he's in the debate.

[dbreiden83080]

1 NBA Title to Duncan's 4


Yeah makes sense..

[dbreiden83080]

Dirk has clearly established himself as the best player the month of may 2011 has ever seen..

[badfish22]

ITS ALL ABOUT RINGS! :madrun:




:cry unless we're comparing Duncan and Kobe

[DMC]

It's always about rings when you have them, but when you don't, it's the lower goals that you look at like MVP and that kind of thing.

Also, the Mavs aren't in the Spurs/Lakers talk. They have a decade to go where they have to dominate the league before that can happen. Right now they are 2006 Mavs, and not even that just yet because they haven't made it to the Finals. When they do, they have to face Wade again, and this time instead of an old, fat Shaq, they will have Lebron and Bosh. Of course, no Alonzo Mourning.

[Silver&Black]

lol come on son ... you sound like an ignorant Laker fan now

Horry 7

Jordan 6

Only ignorant people believe Horry is better than Jordan.

IF (and it's still an IF) Dirk wins this year...what will his ring total be up to??? One??? And he's better than Timmy???

This arguement is completely stupid. Like saying Dirk is better than Larry Bird????

It blows my mind how fans react to one year. Before the playoffs started (THIS YEAR!!!)...Dirk and the Mavs were a bunch of choke artists who were always too soft and couldn't get it done....Now there the greatest team in 15 years...Dirk is better than Bird....and Dirk is the best PF of all-time. WOW....what a great year.

[DMC]

B0x_dFMnZVI

[TampaDude]

Dirk is the best player in the playoffs right now, but to say that he's better than Duncan over the past 15 years is laughable.

[Brazil]

Why everybody is acting like Dirk has no ring ? He already won a ring, it would be his second but still 4>2

[dbreiden83080]

Dirk is the best player in the playoffs right now, but to say that he's better than Duncan over the past 15 years is laughable.

Just another troll thread

Nothing to see here

[Silver&Black]

it ain't all about ring count, it's about who is the better individual player. dirk would have 4 rings and counting too if he had manu, tp, and robinson

Here we go again will all these "ifs". If my aunt was my uncle she'd stand up to take a piss.

So I guess it's Tim Duncan's fault he played with manu tp and robinson??

I respect the hell out of Dirk...but I think people are going WAAAAY overboard. He's a Great (not a good) player, but c'mon man....better than Timmy and Bird??? Laughable.

Holla at me when Dirk wins his 3rd ring...we'll revisit this conversation.

[Silver&Black]

Why everybody is acting like Dirk has no ring ? He already won a ring, it would be his second but still 4>2

I guess they give out rings for winning the Western Conference??? :lol

[Brazil]

I guess they give out rings for winning the Western Conference??? :lol

mavs won a ring in 2006 against Miami ! where have you been ? you don't read the newspaper ?

[Silver&Black]

mavs won a ring in 2006 against Miami ! where have you been ? you don't read the newspaper ?

Am I being punk'd??? Is this some kind of sick and twisted joke?? Because I'm pretty sure Dirk has the same amount of rings as me....zero.

[DMC]

mavs won a ring in 2006 against Miami ! where have you been ? you don't read the newspaper ?
I remember the parade so you are right.

[TampaDude]

OMFG it's true...

http://workbench.cadenhead.org/media/dallas-mavericks-nba-champs-2006.jpg

[jacobdrj]

No, Timmay was the complete package. But that does not take away from Dirk. Man, he has seriously matured. He did more with less than the likes of KG, for example...

[Silver&Black]

OMFG it's true...

http://workbench.cadenhead.org/media/dallas-mavericks-nba-champs-2006.jpg

:lol:rollin:lol I bet there are 50 kids in Africa sporting this as we speak.

[Brazil]

I remember the parade so you are right.

great fucking parade

great fight great moral win against wade and shaq

[Silver&Black]

Chris Bosh had 30 the other night....guess he's better than Timmy too?? Or maybe he's better than Dirk too???

If D. Rose has a big game tonight I'm gonna start saying he's better than Magic/Stockton/Nash.

I love the NBA...

[TampaDude]

Chris Bosh had 30 the other night....guess he's better than Timmy too?? Or maybe he's better than Dirk too???

If D. Rose has a big game tonight I'm gonna start saying he's better than Magic/Stockton/Nash.

I love the NBA...

:lol

Truth be told, TEAMS win championships, not individual players.

[TD 21]

Anyone who thinks Duncan has had a lot of help either didn't become a fan until about '05 (even since then, look at Duncan's front court sidekicks), is insane or both. For a number of years, he basically had to play the role of Nowitzki AND Chandler combined. From 01-05, he had no one who was a consistent second scoring threat. He had to log, not just a lot of minutes, but physically demanding minutes. He didn't get to take a break defensively and on the glass and his offensive game wasn't heavily reliant on shooting jumpers, but rather banging in the post.

Nowitzki's had tons of depth, born of an annually bloated payroll. Let's not pretend he's had little to no help. That's been the story of the Mavs run. It's not what Nowitzki's doing (because he didn't all of a sudden reach a new level), it's the amount of help he's received.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Duncan had a ton of help.

[DAF86]

Fans tend to make the mistake of geting too caught up with how a player has performed lately to determine his overall career. Dirk is beasting right now, but let's be honest he hasn't played like this for most of his career, there's a reason he's a lifetime 47% shooter and 46% in the playoffs.

Dirk also has a playing style that is very eye catching and IMO that makes people be more impressed with a great performance by him than with a great performance of a player like Duncan. 60% shooting on fadeaways is more eye catching than 60% shooting on layups and bankshots but they're both equally efficient. Also as much as mavsfans like to say that Dirk's defense is underated, it trully isn't. He has no hops, lateral movement nor the desire to challenge shots regularly, I can't think of many seven footers that demand less respect from opposing players when attacking the rim, but again that's not something that fans pay much attention to, you don't realize there can be a block in a play until you see it happen.

Dirk is better than Duncan right now and probably one of the best 5 players in the league right now but he isn't close to Duncan overall career.

[Ghazi]

:lol Manu > Dirk

and Dirk plays like this every playoff year... except for '07 which was a fluke.

[dirk4mvp]

:lol spurfans acting like Dirk hasn't been a great player most of his career

[DAF86]

:lol spurfans acting like Dirk hasn't been a great player most of his career

He has been great, just not as great as right now.

[dirk4mvp]

He's had a couple playoff runs that rival this one, if not better.

[DAF86]

:lol Manu > Dirk

and Dirk plays like this every playoff year... except for '07 which was a fluke.

:lol Pokemon

Yeah, 46%=51%

[Pelicans78]

Saying Duncan is better than Dirk is like saying Brady is better than Manning because of the rings.

[Ghazi]

:lol Pokemon

Yeah, 46%=51%

he shot over 50% in '09 and '10

averaged 26/12 in '08

'07 was a fluke

played well in '06

This is the first time in 4 years where his teammates have actually showed up...

[Strike]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery fucking Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp182/SexyJapanties/Random%20crap/obvious_troll.jpg

[Henke]

Fans tend to make the mistake of geting too caught up with how a player has performed lately to determine his overall career. Dirk is beasting right now, but let's be honest he hasn't played like this for most of his career, there's a reason he's a lifetime 47% shooter and 46% in the playoffs.



You have no room to complain about the ''timing'' bro.
For 2 years in a row,you-and some other dipshits on this site- were sucking Gasol's dick and calling him the second coming of jesus,better than Dirk etc.A 2nd fucking banana player in one of the most stacked teams in the league history better than Dirk Nowitzki.:lol:lol

So,just gtfo with the timing bullshit and deal with the 100% justified praise that Nowitzki's getting.

As for the fg% percentages,they are more like 48% and 47% first of all,and also lol at using the raw fg% to talk shit about Dirk's efficiency.




Dirk is better than Duncan right now and probably one of the best 5 players in the league right now but he isn't close to Duncan overall career.

-Dirk has been better than Timmy since the 2007-2008 season,so lol at ''now''.

-Of course Dirk isn't close to Duncan's overall career.Duncan has 4 rings and is a top7 player of all time imho,Dirk is ringless and somewhere in top25-30.

[DAF86]

he shot over 50% in '09 and '10

averaged 26/12 in '08

'07 was a fluke

played well in '06

This is the first time in 4 years where his teammates have actually showed up...

You can spin it anyway you want it but the truth is he shoots 46% lifetime in the playoffs, which is very different from the 51% he is shooting right now. Yes, he has had some great series in the past but he has also had his bad ones, that's why his shooting porcentage rounds up to 46%.

[DAF86]

You have no room to complain about the ''timing'' bro.
For 2 years in a row,you-and some other dipshits on this site- were sucking Gasol's dick and calling him the second coming of jesus,better than Dirk etc.A 2nd fucking banana player in one of the most stacked teams in the league history better than Dirk Nowitzki.:lol:lol

So,just gtfo with the timing bullshit and deal with the 100% justified praise that Nowitzki's getting.

As for the fg% percentages,they are more like 48% and 47% first of all,and also lol at using the raw fg% to talk shit about Dirk's efficiency.


That's 'cause the arguments were who would you rather have "right now", not an overall career analisis.


-Dirk has been better than Timmy since the 2007-2008 season,so lol at ''now''.

-Of course Dirk isn't close to Duncan's overall career.Duncan has 4 rings and is a top7 player of all time imho,Dirk is ringless and somewhere in top25-30.

We agree then, I don't know what you're arguing.

[dirk4mvp]

It's sad to see how upset you get by Dirk's greatness.

[GoodOdor]

Kinda like how argy manu fan claims manu can be the first option on a good team playing 40+ minutes a game when manu has a career average of playing barely 30 minutes a game and is injury prone.

lol manu>dirk

lol messi had a "good" world cup performance

[DAF86]

It's sad to see how upset you get by Dirk's greatness.

Not really, I like Dirk and I've been giving him praises for his play this season.

[dbestpro]

The game consists of shooting, passing, dribbling, rebounding, defense, moving without the ball, and the will to win.
I give shooting to Dirk but that is about it.

[DAF86]

Kinda like how argy manu fan claims manu can be the first option on a good team playing 40+ minutes a game when manu has a career average of playing barely 30 minutes a game and is injury prone.

You don't need to play 40+ to be a first option.


lol manu>dirk

This has been adressed several times.


lol messi had a "good" world cup performance

You need to have had at least a "good" World cup performance to be declared by FIFA as one of the best ten players of the tournament.

[ElNono]

Manu >>>> Horry > Duncan > Dirk >>>>> Capt West > Kobe

[elbamba]

21, 20, 10, 8

Call me when Dirk posts this in a game with the championship on the line.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lol please someone explain to me how duncan has played on "stacked" teams when Holt is one of the cheapest owners in the NBA and signs nothing but vets with there days behind them & Cuban goes on a shopping spree every year picking up some of the top FA available every year.


ok just to recap some of what i have read.


dirk should be the defensive player of the year

Parkers the best PG in the last decade


& 1 ring would make dirk surpass MJ as the GOAT.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[dunkman]

Of course Duncan took over games in '99 and '03. He commanded automatic double and triple teams, there was no other way to stop him. In '03 he couldn't be stopped by prime Shaq and Horry. Basically, that season he couldn't be stopped by anyone. And when the Spurs needed some stops late in the game, he guarded Shaq one-on-one something only Sabonis did, but no so well.

He also took over game 7 against the Pistons, when Manu could not. Duncan scored at the same level as Dirk in '06, however Duncan also rebounded and defended way better.

Dirk has always been in stacked teams, but the coaching and the rosters weren't the most balanced. Dirk could have been guarded by shorter players until the 2007 playoffs run. From there he started shooting fade-away jumpers which made him unstoppable.

With his legendary performance against the Lakers frontcourt this season and after completely outplaying Durant, he passed KG and Malone, but he would need to win the championship and after that another one, as the Mavs best player, to be in serious conversation about having a better NBA career than Duncan.

[GoodOdor]

Of course Duncan took over games in '99 and '03. He commanded automatic double and triple teams, there was no other way to stop him. In '03 he couldn't be stopped by prime Shaq and Horry. Basically, that season he couldn't be stopped by anyone. And when the Spurs needed some stops late in the game, he guarded Shaq one-on-one something only Sabonis did, but no so well.

He also took over game 7 against the Pistons, when Manu could not. Duncan scored at the same level as Dirk in '06, however Duncan also rebounded and defended way better.

Dirk has always been in stacked teams, but the coaching and the rosters weren't the most balanced. Dirk could have been guarded by shorter players until the 2007 playoffs run. From there he started shooting fade-away jumpers which made him unstoppable.

With his legendary performance against the Lakers frontcourt this season and after completely outplaying Durant, he passed KG and Malone, but he would need to win the championship and after that another one, as the Mavs best player, to be in serious conversation about having a better NBA career than Duncan.

10-27 "taking over":lol:lol:lol

[endrity]

Leave Duncan alone. Dirk is better now, and has been better for a couple of years now.

But Duncan's peak was something else. He was a monster both offensively and defensively. Dirk can't beat that, even though, yes, he is a bit better offensively than Duncan was even at his best.

But the main argument that I use for Dirk > KG, is that even if you want to argue that KG is more of a complete player, that doesn't mean that you can put rebounding and assisting at the same level of importance as scoring. If you are a GM building a team, you want your superstar, franchise player, to be the best scorer on the floor to win a championship. You want to go to him in the last 5 minutes of a tied playoff game, and have him deliver over and over and over again. That is what you pay $ 20 mil a year for. You use the rest of your payroll to complete the roster with the other elements, i.e rebounding, toughness, defense, assisting. Shaq was one of the most in-complete players in the league, even his defense never really was anything to wonder despite his spectacular blocks. But what he could do offensively completely changed game plans, strategies, and altered games and series. Dirk does that, in his own way.

KG never was that kind of player, he never was the kind to close out games, and that is why he struggled mightily in the playoffs unless he had all-star wing player. That is exactly why Dirk, even with mediocre supporting casts, outperformed his teams all those years in the West. He could take a mediocre cast, make sure they performed their role, and in the end of close games he'd take them home with a win.

If you can't do that as a franchise player, than I am sorry, but you are not worthy of comparison with another franchise player, and an elite one at that.

[dunkman]

10-27 "taking over":lol:lol:lol

Duncan was injured that season, as evidenced by some 40-20 performances had in the playoffs the following season.

Remember that it was a defensive 81:74 game, Duncan scored 25 out of 27 shots, not a great efficiency, but still the most points by any player of the finals.

Manu, while much more efficient, got stopped late in the game on successive possessions and Pop ordered the offense to go trough Duncan and that's how the Spurs got that championship.

[Ghazi]

Not really, I like Dirk and I've been giving him praises for his play this season.

how am I spinning it? He shot over 50% in '09 and '10 but his teammates shit the bed. He's shooting 51% this year but his teammates are actually stepping up..

In '08 he averaged 26/12 on 47% shooting but again, his teammates shit the bed. Brandon fucking Bass was the 2nd best Mav in that series.

Dirk deserves some blame for '07
'06 the Mavs were literally within one bad call of a championship..

[DMC]

great fucking parade

great fight great moral win against wade and shaq

Dirk was awarded the MVP, or Moral Victory Parade.

[ElNono]

10-27 "taking over":lol:lol:lol

Could've been worse... say... 6-24... :lmao

[DAF86]

Duncan was injured that season, as evidenced by some 40-20 performances had in the playoffs the following season.

Remember that it was a defensive 81:74 game, Duncan scored 25 out of 27 shots, not a great efficiency, but still the most points by any player of the finals.

Manu, while much more efficient, got stopped late in the game on successive possessions and Pop ordered the offense to go trough Duncan and that's how the Spurs got that championship.

Manu scored 11 pts in the 4th, the third is where Duncan took over.

[dunkman]

Manu scored 11 pts in the 4th, the third is where Duncan took over.

My bad, Pop made the offensive adjustment after game 6. Duncan scored points in the 3-rd to cut the Pistons lead and Larry Brown started double-teaming Duncan in the fourth. Manu, Bowen and Horry made 3's which gave the Spurs the championship.

[joshdaboss]

Also, Malone wipes his ass with Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki.

[endrity]

Also, Malone wipes his ass with Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki.

Malone, who defined playing hot potato with the ball in the 4th quarter before KG, that Malone?

Yeah, he's got nothing on Dirk except longevity.

[ChuckD]

What it all comes down to, and is undeniable, is that on his best day, Dirk only ever affected the game on one end of the floor.

[Sportstudi]

Leave Duncan alone. Dirk is better now, and has been better for a couple of years now.

But Duncan's peak was something else. He was a monster both offensively and defensively. Dirk can't beat that, even though, yes, he is a bit better offensively than Duncan was even at his best.

But the main argument that I use for Dirk > KG, is that even if you want to argue that KG is more of a complete player, that doesn't mean that you can put rebounding and assisting at the same level of importance as scoring. If you are a GM building a team, you want your superstar, franchise player, to be the best scorer on the floor to win a championship. You want to go to him in the last 5 minutes of a tied playoff game, and have him deliver over and over and over again. That is what you pay $ 20 mil a year for. You use the rest of your payroll to complete the roster with the other elements, i.e rebounding, toughness, defense, assisting. Shaq was one of the most in-complete players in the league, even his defense never really was anything to wonder despite his spectacular blocks. But what he could do offensively completely changed game plans, strategies, and altered games and series. Dirk does that, in his own way.

KG never was that kind of player, he never was the kind to close out games, and that is why he struggled mightily in the playoffs unless he had all-star wing player. That is exactly why Dirk, even with mediocre supporting casts, outperformed his teams all those years in the West. He could take a mediocre cast, make sure they performed their role, and in the end of close games he'd take them home with a win.

If you can't do that as a franchise player, than I am sorry, but you are not worthy of comparison with another franchise player, and an elite one at that.

I couldn't agree more. Like 3-4 years now, Dirk has been better than Duncan. Career-wise, it is for sure a different thing and not a discussion. For me Duncan is Nr. 6 of all time (behind MJ, Kareem, Magic, Wilt and Bird) and Dirk isn't Top 10. He would need a couple of rings to get in the discussion, let alone to crack the Top 10. He won't catch Duncan and Bird based on one ring, that's just silly.

But if Dirk rings this time, I would put him above guys like KG (who couldn't do shit with Minny in the playoffs, let alone if he even made them; and that championship in 2008 was mainly due to Pierce's level of play, it was basically his team), Malone (great stats and extremely long-lived career, but he couldn't do anything in the playoffs despite playing for such a long time with one of the best PG's of all time in Stockton) and Barkley. Of course, Dirk and these guys would still be very close. I could understand people who still put all of them above Dirk even if Dirk rings this year.

Concerning Dallas' bloated payroll: It's kinda funny how some Spur-fans always like to point that out. Fact is, Dallas has a history of having completely overpaid players. Damp, Diop, Howard etc... That's definitely not what I call a stacked and valuable roster. It's the same now with Haywood. Despite playing well in the postseason, he was really bad during the regular season and not playing on a level which would justify his contract. The Mavs' FO definitely needs to take some blame for those happenings during the last years. Basically, the only reason Dallas made the playoffs during the last decade and went to the finals once was Dirk and nobody else. Carrying his team to the finals in 2006 while having guys like Terry and Howard as his so called "sidekicks" is quite remarkable.

[monosylab1k]

Also, Malone wipes his ass with Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki.

:lmao unfortunately he also treats his bastard children that way.

I'll take Garnett or Dirk any day over Malone.

[ohmwrecker]

Dirk is not a PF.

[Kyle Orton]

Also, Malone wipes his ass with Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki.
lol 19 year career of stat whoring leading to being massively overrated

[Axe Murderer]

Duncan was injured that season

One of the classiest injuries in sports history

[dunkman]

One of the classiest injuries in sports history

not really . . .

[Ditty]

lol @ Mavs fans who think Dirk never had talent around him, compared to Duncan.

This is as stupid as the Kobe and Jordan comparisons.

[DAF86]

Carrying his team to the finals in 2006 while having guys like Terry and Howard as his so called "sidekicks" is quite remarkable.

Didn't Mavsfans used to argue who was the "man" Dirk or Howard back in the days? As stupid as that may sound now, it proves that back then Howard was a legit second option for Nowitzki.

You also had Terry (who in a good run can be as good as any sidekick in the league), Harris, Marquis Daniels, a former top 3 scorer in the league coming off the bench in Stackhouse, and two solid defensive 7 footers in Dampier and Diop (both better than anything Duncan had on his side post Robinson).

[badfish22]

Didn't Mavsfans used to argue who was the "man" Dirk or Howard back in the days? As stupid as that may sound now, it proves that back then Howard was a legit second option for Nowitzki.

No. Maybe at the beginning of the 07 season when he was playing his best basketball there was a little talk, but that quickly went away. Terry is very good in stretches but a look at his playoff stats shows that he wasn't much help when it mattered.

Also :lmao at talking up every mav player. A "former top 3 scorer in the league coming off the bench in Stackhouse"? Really? And Harris, Daniels, and Diop really went on to have stellar careers.
I
n basketball its all about having those second options that can come through when you need them. Duncan had Manu (who according to you is basketball Jesus) and Parker. Both are much better than anyone Dirk played with since Finley/Nash.

[Kyle Orton]

If the Spurs signed Wilt Chamberlain's corpse to a contract I guess that would help Tim Duncan's supporting cast since he was a "former scoring champion"

[Ghazi]

:lol Manu > Dirk
:lol DAF 86
:lol Pokemon

[BUMP's Comm. Teacher]

a former top 3 scorer in the league coming off the bench in Stackhouse

That's one shitty take, even for you

[Ghazi]

Overrating Dirk's supporting casts to underrate Dirk is the cool thing to do..

Although Dirk's cast was fine in '06.. it was the whistles that cost us.

They've shit the bed the last 3 years.

This is the first time in 4 years the teammates have played worth a shit (especially Terry) and the results show..

[dunkman]

No. Maybe at the beginning of the 07 season when he was playing his best basketball there was a little talk, but that quickly went away. Terry is very good in stretches but a look at his playoff stats shows that he wasn't much help when it mattered.

Also :lmao at talking up every mav player. A "former top 3 scorer in the league coming off the bench in Stackhouse"? Really? And Harris, Daniels, and Diop really went on to have stellar careers.
I
n basketball its all about having those second options that can come through when you need them. Duncan had Manu (who according to you is basketball Jesus) and Parker. Both are much better than anyone Dirk played with since Finley/Nash.

Having for example Jamison to come from the bench was quite a luxury. He was the sixth man of the year that season, he would have been starter for any other NBA team. I remember that kind of tall tweener forwards used to cause a lot of problems to the Spurs.

[dirk4mvp]

I bet DAF really thought he had something by mentioning Stackhouse like that.

[Axe Murderer]

DAF makes some very solid points especially the Stackhouse one tbh imho

im curious tho, how the 2002-03 Spurs managed to win only 1 title.

After all Duncan had 4 all-stars next to him, the best defensive wing in the game, and a guy who averaged 20 ppg coming off the bench. what happened??????

[Axe Murderer]

*actually 5 all stars, I forgot about Kevin Willis' 1992 appearance. Damn what a loaded team!

[DAF86]

No. Maybe at the beginning of the 07 season when he was playing his best basketball there was a little talk, but that quickly went away. Terry is very good in stretches but a look at his playoff stats shows that he wasn't much help when it mattered.

Also :lmao at talking up every mav player. A "former top 3 scorer in the league coming off the bench in Stackhouse"? Really? And Harris, Daniels, and Diop really went on to have stellar careers.
I
n basketball its all about having those second options that can come through when you need them. Duncan had Manu (who according to you is basketball Jesus) and Parker. Both are much better than anyone Dirk played with since Finley/Nash.

Terry: 19 pts 4 assts in the playoffs, that's pretty good for a 2nd/3rd option.

Wasn't Stack a former top 3 scorer in the league? He averaged 13.7 pts coming off the bench in '06 that's also pretty good for a 6th player.

Basketball is all about the second options? I guess the Manu > Dirk thing is true then :lol

[Kyle Orton]

I'm surprised Grant Hill didn't command more of a contract the last few years given that he's a former perennial all star

*I can't wait for DAF to make some comment about how he intentionally says really retarded stuff to troll

[Kyle Orton]

Wasn't Stack a former top 3 scorer in the league?
:lmao wow you actually think 2001 Stackhouse is relevant to 2006

[Ghazi]

bottom lines... Dirk hasn't played next to an all-NBA caliber player since Nash left..

Dirk hasn't played next to a real All-Star since Nash left...

Dirk didn't have an all-NBA defensive caliber player until this year w/ Chandler... while the Spurs has Bowen.

However... nobodys stopping Dirk this year...nobody

[DAF86]

I think Mavsfans are underating Dirk's supporting cast more than what I am overrating them. (I don't know if that sentence's grammatically correct).

[Sportstudi]

Didn't Mavsfans used to argue who was the "man" Dirk or Howard back in the days? As stupid as that may sound now, it proves that back then Howard was a legit second option for Nowitzki.

You also had Terry (who in a good run can be as good as any sidekick in the league), Harris, Marquis Daniels, a former top 3 scorer in the league coming off the bench in Stackhouse, and two solid defensive 7 footers in Dampier and Diop (both better than anything Duncan had on his side post Robinson).

Both Howard and Terry used to disappear when it really mattered. I can't recall a postseason in which they played well the whole time. They had one good game only to disappear completely for the next ones. Terry is playing well this postseason though. For the first time he's having a solid stretch without his usual up and downs.

Stackhouse? Seriously? He was just a dead corpse compared to that season in which he scored 29.3 ppg (which was 6 years earlier). Additionally, he was just a ballhog. In that season (00-01) he only scored because he was like Allen Iverson. Scoring because of ballhogging. He shot 40.2 % that season and averaged 10.1 FTA. That was the only reason for his high numbers.

Dampier and Diop? Interesting... suddenly they are two solid defensive 7 footers. It really seems you do everything to overrate Dirk's supporting cast in order to diminish his efficiency.

[badfish22]

Terry: 19 pts 4 assts in the playoffs, that's pretty good for a 2nd/3rd option.

Wasn't Stack a former top 3 scorer in the league? He averaged 13.7 pts coming off the bench in '06 that's also pretty good for a 6th player.

Basketball is all about the second options? I guess the Manu > Dirk thing is true then :lol

So you have now changed Terry from he "can be as good as any sidekick in the league" to a "pretty good 2nd/3rd option". Alright we're getting somewhere.
And its easy to just get stats and say "thats good!". His shooting % has been horrible in key games (ex. 7-25 in 06 Finals game 6) and he himself has admitted that he has been awful these past two years in the PO's.

Stack was a solid player while he was here, but your attempts to overrate him are embarrassing.

[dunkman]

DAF makes some very solid points especially the Stackhouse one tbh imho

im curious tho, how the 2002-03 Spurs managed to win only 1 title.

After all Duncan had 4 all-stars next to him, the best defensive wing in the game, and a guy who averaged 20 ppg coming off the bench. what happened??????

The Lakers got Malone for almost nothing. The Spurs offered Malone $10M / season, but he declined. That was his market value. Payton would have gotten much more than the MLE he was offered by the Lakers. So, they "somehow" got more talent and were the favorites. Probably by some payments under the table. Still, the Spurs almost won game 5, the Lakers needed a miraculous 0.4s shot to win the pivotal game and they closed out in game 6 at home.

The '03 championship team had only 1 all-star, Duncan. DRob and T-Rex were on their last legs, Manu, Parker and S-Jax were too young.

The '03 team changed completely for the next season:
The Spurs low balled S-Jax, who was the starter SG and he signed with Atlanta. I think they should have offered a 3 yaer MLE with team option for another 2 years, but the FO offered around $10 for 3 years, concerned about his character.
DRob retired that year and the Spurs replaced him with Rasho, who wasn't a great talent.
They added Horry and Hedo, but in their first season, they didn't shot well wide open shots and they didn't defend well neither in the playoffs.
Manu was in his second season, he grew considerably from his second season, but he wasn't yet an all-star.
Parker was better than Manu then, but the Spurs wanted to sign Kidd for a reason. Speedy signed with another team and the Spurs were deficient with a backup PG.

The '03 team was very TO prone with young Parker and S-Jax. That team used to lose early leads easily.

IMO the '05 team with the '99 team were the best.

[DAF86]

So you have now changed Terry from he "can be as good as any sidekick in the league" to a "pretty good 2nd/3rd option". Alright we're getting somewhere.
And its easy to just get stats and say "thats good!". His shooting % has been horrible in key games (ex. 7-25 in 06 Finals game 6) and he himself has admitted that he has been awful these past two years in the PO's.

Stack was a solid player while he was here, but your attempts to overrate him are embarrassing.

Then Dirk is as much to blame as anyone, he shot 39% in the NBA finals. And 39% again the next season against the Warriors when the Mavs were the favorites to go all the way.

BTW I said 2nd/3rd option because of the arguability of Terry/Howard beign the second option. 19 is very good for a second option period.

And I didn't overate Stack I just said a thing he did, or didn't I say "former"? It's not much different from what Mavsfans do when they use these players current performances to try to disminish their play during that playoffs run.

[Ghazi]

:lol Manu > Dirk
:lol

[DAF86]

Are these the ones you play with?


http://www.privilegedclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/World%E2%80%99s-Most-Expensive-Pok%C3%A9mon-Cards.jpg

:)

[DMC]

One of the classiest injuries in sports history
:lmao

And the friendliest.

[joshdaboss]

Malone, who defined playing hot potato with the ball in the 4th quarter before KG, that Malone?

Yeah, he's got nothing on Dirk except longevity.

lol @ thinking Dirk would even sniff the finals against Malone's Jazz. lol Michael Jordan. lol @ nothing on Dirk as if he played a lick of defense.

[joshdaboss]

:lmao unfortunately he also treats his bastard children that way.

I'll take Garnett or Dirk any day over Malone.

Explains why you are a Mav fan, it's in your blood to back a loser.

[BRHornet45]

lol @ thinking Dirk would even sniff the finals against Malone's Jazz. lol Michael Jordan. lol @ nothing on Dirk as if he played a lick of defense.

lol as if that bitch ass giraffe retard Duncan could either? Malone OWNS Duncan and you know it. just shut up