If Kobe is the closest to Jordan in the 2000's then who is....

[TheMACHINE]

...equivalent to Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant in the 90's?

Just curious.

[NewcastleKEG]

You talking playing styles or what they achieved?

Grant Hill was probably the most prolific SF before his ankle injury so he'd be Durant

Rose probably Kevin Johnson or Tim Hardaway

LeBron James, obviously Pippen

Wade: Drexler or Sprewell

[ChumpDumper]

False premise.

[daslicer]

Honestly those guys are all unique players. They remind me of no one from the 90's.

[cheguevara]

:lol at Kobe being "close" to Jordan

[TheMACHINE]

You talking playing styles or what they achieved?



Everything...styles, dominance, stats.

[TheMACHINE]

:lol at Kobe being "close" to Jordan

nigga che can't read.

[NewcastleKEG]

Everything...styles, dominance, stats.
Guy above made a good point, all those players are very unique. Like trying to compare someone to Dirk

Durant: Grant Hill (Kevin taller though and Grant more explosive off dribble)
Rose: Kevin Johnson (really Iverson)
Wade: Sprewell (Don't remember Spree's D)
James: Pippen (but more explosive)
Howard: Ewing :toast

[Man In Black]

Who said Bean was close?

There's never ever been any inference of MJ NOT BEING THE SOLE LEADER.

With Bean...he's Robin. When he's Batman, he's like that 60's version starring Adam West. We clown him too. :lmao
RLZQ3OLEJWE

[TheMACHINE]

Who said Bean was close?

There's never ever been any inference of MJ NOT BEING THE SOLE LEADER.

With Bean...he's Robin. When he's Batman, he's like that 60's version starring Adam West. We clown him too. :lmao

since your a fellow filipino, i can kinda understand why you dont know the difference between "close" and "closest".

[TheMACHINE]

Guy above made a good point, all those players are very unique. Like trying to compare someone to Dirk

Durant: Grant Hill (Kevin taller though and Grant more explosive off dribble)
Rose: Kevin Johnson (really Iverson)
Wade: Sprewell (Don't remember Spree's D)
James: Pippen (but more explosive)
Howard: Ewing :toast

Thanks Newcastle for you honest opinion to the thread.

[NewcastleKEG]

Thanks Newcastle for you honest opinion to the thread.
Of course dougie

Huge Kate fan here too. Whose sneakers are in your sig?

[Man In Black]

since your a fellow filipino, i can kinda understand why you dont know the difference between "close" and "closest".

I get the difference. But it's like saying that Steve Blake is close to John Stockton because they're both White Point Guards. It ain't close.

[TheMACHINE]

I get the difference. But it's like saying that Steve Blake is close to John Stockton because they're both White Point Guards. It ain't close.

Well if no one is "closer" to John Stockton then Steve Blake, then yes, Steve Blake is the "closest".

[Kyle Orton]

Yeah, Rose is def. pre-injuries Kevin Johnson (so basically 1992 or before)

I'd compare Grant Hill more to Lebron than Durant. Both 90s Hill and Lebron were mediocre jump shooters who couldn't be stopped taking the ball to the hoop with excellent court vision and great assist numbers. Lebron is basically Grant Hill with even more size and even more athleticism, I don't see the comparison between Durant or Hill at all.

I really don't see any 90s player very comparable to Durant, which has a lot to do with Durant being a newer generation type player. Prolific scorer who lives at the free throw line, skinny and long as a rail, and shoots a ton of jumpers.

Wade is probably Drexler but I don't have a whole lot to go off there other than statistical similarities.

[redzero]

"Closer" is a relative term. Allen Iverson is closer to Yao Ming's height than JJ Barea. It doesn't mean that he's almost as tall.

[NewcastleKEG]

Yeah, Rose is def. pre-injuries Kevin Johnson (so basically 1992 or before)

I'd compare Grant Hill more to Lebron than Durant. Both 90s Hill and Lebron were mediocre jump shooters who couldn't be stopped taking the ball to the hoop with excellent court vision and great assist numbers. Lebron is basically Grant Hill with even more size and even more athleticism, I don't see the comparison between Durant or Hill at all.

I really don't see any 90s player very comparable to Durant, which has a lot to do with Durant being a newer generation type player. Prolific scorer who lives at the free throw line, skinny and long as a rail, and shoots a ton of jumpers.

Wade is probably Drexler but I don't have a whole lot to go off there other than statistical similarities.
Good point

Hill - LeBron
Pippen - Durant

is better. Although like you said, Pippen isn't scoring as often as Kevin but they are both tall and lanky (Scottie early on)

[ElNono]

If Kobe is the closest to T-Mac in the 2000's....

fify

[TheMACHINE]

"Closer" is a relative term. Allen Iverson is closer to Yao Ming's height than JJ Barea. It doesn't mean that he's almost as tall.

I'm not even gonna argue about the term anymore. I think a majority of spurs talk posters comprehend the question correcly.

[Kyle Orton]

Yeah, Pippen's also an extremely unique player.

You don't see guys as good as Pippen take on secondary roles as defensive specialists and passers these days. You'd never see a 6'10" perimeter player 10 years ago, and you'd never see a perimeter player outside of Michael Jordan shooting 10+ free throws a game back then. Durant's game basically designed for modern day basketball. Skinny athletes who can shoot jumpers and get to the line.

[Pelicans78]

I'd say Lebron reminds me of a young Shawn Kemp.

Dwayne Wade is tough. Can't think of any right now.

Durant is a much more athletic Glen Rice. Similar game.

Rose reminds me alot of a young Marbury.

[TheMACHINE]

speaking of John Stockton, I'm thinking Nash.

[JoeTait75]

I really don't see any 90s player very comparable to Durant, which has a lot to do with Durant being a newer generation type player. Prolific scorer who lives at the free throw line, skinny and long as a rail, and shoots a ton of jumpers.

Got to go pre-90s for the best comparison to Durant: George Gervin.

[JoeTait75]

speaking of John Stockton, I'm thinking Nash.

Mark Price was Nash before Nash.

[Purch]

And no this isn't an insult. A young Stephon Marbury was one of the most talented players I've ever seen . To bad he was a nutcase

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I'd say Lebron reminds me of a young Shawn Kemp.

Dwayne Wade is tough. Can't think of any right now.

Durant is a much more athletic Glen Rice. Similar game.

Rose reminds me alot of a young Marbury.


This
Does Marbury even count though? He's one of those guys who's career started in the late 90's an went on through the 00's

[ElNono]

Lots of athletic and talented PG/SG/SF back then... Pippen, T-Mac, Hill, Iverson, Manu, Carter, Marbury... and I'm sure I'm missing a few...

[dirk4mvp]

T-Mac and Durant are similar players. Durant a few inches taller, T-Mac a better athlete.

[Pelicans78]

Price and Nash are similar while Paul and Stockton are similar.

Physically Durant is similar to a young KG, but his game is similar to Glen Rice.

Rose and Marbury have been established.

Lebron's game is similar to Pippen, but physically he reminds me of a young Shawn Kemp.

Still haven't figured out who Wade reminds me of.

[Kyle Orton]

Paul is a lot more like KJ than Stockton IMO. Both guys when healthy early on in their careers averaged close to or over 20 PPG and 10 APG and were extremely quick off the dribble until injuries made them much lesser players and changed the way they play.

[Man In Black]

"Vince Carter Early" was closest to Jordan.
Kobe's version is more like the "after he retired and came back Jordan".

[Ashy Larry]

Who said Bean was close?

There's never ever been any inference of MJ NOT BEING THE SOLE LEADER.

With Bean...he's Robin. When he's Batman, he's like that 60's version starring Adam West. We clown him too. :lmao
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where in the fuck can I get some Bat Shark repellant ??? :toast


Adam West was a pimp and still is a pimp on Family Guy.

[TheSpurglar]

Durant - Grant Hill - no question

Wade - Penny - beasts and possible Jordan successors derailed by injury

Rose - Marbury - yeah, sure, why not... or maybe Payton with nowhere near the defense or attitude

James - Pippen

Dwight - Rodman - both physical freaks, defensive-minded, had issues with the mental side of the game, offensively-limited

[baseline bum]

Wade's the closest player this era to Jordan in playing style. I don't think there's anyone in the 90s close to LeBron, though Dr. J would be a good comparison for the 80s. Same with Durant; Ice would be a good comparison for 80s players. Bryant's pretty tough to find someone similar to in the 90s. Jordan is off the table because Kobe's game is more based on the jump shot than just bulling to the rim like Michael did. Maybe a better Drexler?

[TheGreatest23]

"Vince Carter Early" was closest to Jordan.
Kobe's version is more like the "after he retired and came back Jordan".

holy shit son...you're fucking annoying.

[baseline bum]

I disagree with the Ewing-Howard comparison... Ewing had great range on his jumper and got lots of points outside, while Howard's work is done almost exclusively 8 feet and in. Howard is more Shaq Jr than Patrick. I'd add that Blake Griffin looks like a young Karl Malone; by that I mean Malone when he played mostly in the post and not on the P&R.

[baseline bum]

Chris Paul just screams Isaiah when I watch him, though I have never seen Paul get on the hot streaks that Thomas could bust out.

[TheSpurglar]

Hmmmm. After the post by KOrton, I'd say Grant Hill and LeBron are closer comparisons than Durant and Grant Hill. Grant was a bit of a do-it-all-er. I'd still stick with Wade and Penny, Rose and Marbury or maybe a neutered Payton and Howard and Rodman. If Rodman had a few more inches and was better in the post they'd be twins.

I have no idea who to compare Durant to. His length and jumper make it tough. Maybe a less aggressive Wilkins with a sweeter stroke?

[baseline bum]

Penny was charmin-soft in a way no one could ever accuse Wade of being. Hardaway became a pouting bitch when Shaq walked to LA. Hardaway is more the 90s version of Vince Carter. I still can't believe dude was on the injured list, played the all-star game, and then went right back on the injured list again.

[ambchang]

Finally, a Laker fan understand that Kobe is close to the 2000 version of Jordan, when the great one was way past his prime.

[cheguevara]

^ :lol

[z0sa]

Finally, a Laker fan understand that Kobe is close to the 2000 version of Jordan, when the great one was way past his prime.

:lol Kobe's definitely close now to that 2000's Jordan, I gotta admit.

[JamStone]

I'll take a stab.

Wade - agree with whoever said that he might be closer to Jordan than Kobe is. At least in terms of resembling Jordan's game. But maybe Stackhouse?

LeBron - definitely agree with Grant Hill.

Rose - also agree with Marbury, extremely similar in terms of size, athleticism, and scoring ability.

Durant - really tough one. Maybe Glen Rice? Not really a guy in the 90s who has the same type game. Both Rice and Glenn Robinson aren't nearly as tall and long.

[Killakobe81]

LOL posters that cant answer the question without Kobe on the brain ...


thing is Kobe is gone at his earliest since 2007. In fact, I am almost going to enjoy hearing less a bout Kobe. I know you guys will enjoy a WCF/finals without them "gushing" over Kobe. There are plenty of Kobe bash threads why dont we stop talking about him? che already said he is not top 20 no need for sticky. I dont agree on top 20 but he is no longer top 5 and is holding on to top 10 for dear life. Bash him all you want but when talking the best players right now or MJ and the playoffs ...why is Kobe so relevant? he is watching at home, on TV just like us ...

[ElNono]

LOL posters that cant answer the question without Kobe on the brain ...

Kobe is in the thread's title...

Just sayin', in case you missed it.

[JoeTait75]

Danny Manning is a decent match for Durant. Both with similar builds (Manning was a little bigger) and skill sets. Durant is a better pure scorer.

[monosylab1k]

Who would be Gasol and Bynum? Longley and Perdue? :lmao

[Axe Murderer]

I still can't believe dude was on the injured list, played the all-star game, and then went right back on the injured list again.

Never heard about that, that's hilarious :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[024]

lol @ this thread

[TheNextGen]

lol @ this thread

you just mad that you cant put input since you were probably born in 2001.

[Josepatches_]

Wade's the closest player this era to Jordan in playing style. I don't think there's anyone in the 90s close to LeBron, though Dr. J would be a good comparison for the 80s.


This.

There isn't anyone like LeBron.He's a mix between Magic/Pippen/Dr J/MJ.

Same for Durant tbh.

Like there isn't anyone like Olajuwon or Robinson today


Wade is the closest player to Jordan today.

But JORDAN was clearly the best player of the league.Today that's not clear.Maybe LeBron in my opinion but it's not so clear.

[TheNextGen]

This.

There isn't anyone like LeBron.He's a mix between Magic/Pippen/Dr J/MJ


Wade is the closest player to Jordan today.

But JORDAN was clearly the best player of the league.Today that's not clear.Maybe LeBron in my opinion but it's not so clear.

You think Lebron > Jordan...oh shit...you in trouble sons...you best put your flame suit on!

[DMC]

False premise.
There was no premise.

If Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan.

Kobe is just as close to MJ as anyone else. Still cannot sniff his jock, but no different than the rest of the wannabes.

[Giuseppe]

There was no premise.

If Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan.

Kobe is just as close to MJ as anyone else. Still cannot sniff his jock, but no different than the rest of the wannabes.

He's sniffin'. Down 6-5 and MJ is fixed.

Ain't over yet, daddy. Far from it.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Gisueppe on par with jimmy the greek you might like what he says but you know its right.

[BlackSwordsMan]

until mama media fires him and tells him to sit on a 14 incher and rotate his pretty ass outta here

[Giuseppe]

Gisueppe on par with jimmy the greek

Bend over. I'll give ya some f'in' greek.

[BlackSwordsMan]

grab your toes and hum you're favorite song I like when the vibrations reaches the tip

[TheMACHINE]

There was no premise.

If Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan.

Kobe is just as close to MJ as anyone else. Still cannot sniff his jock, but no different than the rest of the wannabes.

Whats closest to 1000? 1 or 10? The answer is 10. Now if someone wants to bring up option 101, then bring it up and state your reasons. Simple as that.

Some of you guys just like making things harder then it really is.

[DMC]

Gisueppe on par with jimmy the greek you might like what he says but you know its right.
Argument ad nauseum is a fallacious argument.

[DMC]

Whats closest to 1000? 1 or 10? The answer is 10. Now if someone wants to bring up option 101, then bring it up and state your reasons. Simple as that.

Some of you guys just like making things harder then it really is.

What number is Jordan and what number is Kobe? Those are the questions that need to be answered. If Jordan is 1000 and that's the highest that's ever been attained, then I would say Kobe is in the 700s. Most others like him are in the 600s or less. Close as anyone, as I said, but cannot sniff his jock.

[baseline bum]

Never heard about that, that's hilarious :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Crap... I remembered it incorrectly. He rushed back right before the All-Star break, played the All-Star game, then played briefly the first game back after the break before going back on the injured list in the 97-98 season. He got a raft of shit from the media for putting the All-Star game ahead of his team.

[JamStone]

What number is Jordan and what number is Kobe? Those are the questions that need to be answered. If Jordan is 1000 and that's the highest that's ever been attained, then I would say Kobe is in the 700s. Most others like him are in the 600s or less. Close as anyone, as I said, but cannot sniff his jock.

You're making his argument for him.

[cobbler]

You're making his argument for him.

DMC not quite grasping the concept. :lol

[DMC]

You're making his argument for him.
I am trying to understand his argument. What does he mean "closer"? Is every argument here based on opinion that cannot be proven right or wrong?

[DMC]

DMC not quite grasping the concept. :lol

I understand the concept of trolling if that's what he's doing. I don't have to play along with the forum though.

[DMC]

He's sniffin'. Down 6-5 and MJ is fixed.

Ain't over yet, daddy. Far from it.
It's over for Kobe.

[JamStone]

I am trying to understand his argument. What does he mean "closer"? Is every argument here based on opinion that cannot be proven right or wrong?

A lot of people have argued, including NBA people like coaches and NBA analysts, that Kobe is the closest the NBA has seen to Jordan since Jordan. Does that mean he's as good? No. Does it mean he's even close to what Jordan was? No. It only means that people who argue it are saying that Kobe is closer to Jordan than anyone else over the last decade.

Now you can disagree with that if you want to. You can argue that Wade is closer. In terms of actual game, I would even tend to agree. You can argue athletically, Vince Carter was closer. That's fine too if you want to go there. But there is a premise. And it is based on a fairly common perception, even among those in the know in the NBA.

"Closer" does not necessarily mean close. "Closer" is a comparative term. It only requires that that being compared is closer than anything (or in this case, anyone) else.

[Proxy]

Tell Kobe to play baseball for a bit, and with no dominant big men... in a more physical era.

even if Kobe gets 7, he ain't better than motherfucking Jordan.

[DMC]

A lot of people have argued, including NBA people like coaches and NBA analysts, that Kobe is the closest the NBA has seen to Jordan since Jordan. Does that mean he's as good? No. Does it mean he's even close to what Jordan was? No. It only means that people who argue it are saying that Kobe is closer to Jordan than anyone else over the last decade.

He is without a doubt the closest to Jordan in terms of pure hatred for losing, for swagger and the ability to impact the defense of the other team in ways usually only really quality bigs can do. Any other comparison about any other player is futile. Rings have to come into play. Lebron might get there, but he's already damaged himself by joining up with Wade. We'll see though.



Now you can disagree with that if you want to. You can argue that Wade is closer. In terms of actual game, I would even tend to agree. You can argue athletically, Vince Carter was closer. That's fine too if you want to go there. But there is a premise. And it is based on a fairly common perception, even among those in the know in the NBA.

Wade isn't close. He's a great player, but he accepts losing much easier than either Kobe or Michael has. He's talented, no doubt, but not a much as Bryant. I don't think he works as hard as Bryant on or off the court.


"Closer" does not necessarily mean close. "Closer" is a comparative term. It only requires that that being compared is closer than anything (or in this case, anyone) else.He's the closest using the criteria I mentioned. Rings, aggression, ability. What he lacks is dominance. He's had moments of great dominance, but MJ owned the court, totally owned it. Kobe's come the closest.

[TheMACHINE]

He is without a doubt the closest to Jordan in terms of pure hatred for losing, for swagger and the ability to impact the defense of the other team in ways usually only really quality bigs can do. Any other comparison about any other player is futile. Rings have to come into play. Lebron might get there, but he's already damaged himself by joining up with Wade. We'll see though.


Wade isn't close. He's a great player, but he accepts losing much easier than either Kobe or Michael has. He's talented, no doubt, but not a much as Bryant. I don't think he works as hard as Bryant on or off the court.
He's the closest using the criteria I mentioned. Rings, aggression, ability. What he lacks is dominance. He's had moments of great dominance, but MJ owned the court, totally owned it. Kobe's come the closest.

you seem to figure out the premise and my question pretty well. Thanks for the help Jamstone. lol

now help me explain it to our fellow pinoy, Man In Black. haha

[ambchang]

So after all this explanation and clarification, here goes my attempt:

Kobe: Jordan

=
Dwyane Wade : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game

or

Lebron James : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game

or

Derrick Rose : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game

or

Kevin Durant : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game


On the other hand:

Jordan : Kobe

=

Wade: Dan Marjele (the one who actually drove into the lane)

James: Derrick Mckey (Does everything)

Rose: Lindsey Hunter (the pre-defensive demon one, attacks the basket relentlessly)

Durant: Steve Novak (long range shooting big)

[TheNextGen]

So after all this explanation and clarification, here goes my attempt:

Kobe: Jordan

=
Dwyane Wade : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game

or

Lebron James : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game

or

Derrick Rose : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game

or

Kevin Durant : No one, there simply wasn't a player that much better in the 90s, and has a similar game


On the other hand:

Jordan : Kobe

=

Wade: Dan Marjele (the one who actually drove into the lane)

James: Derrick Mckey (Does everything)

Rose: Lindsey Hunter (the pre-defensive demon one, attacks the basket relentlessly)

Durant: Steve Novak (long range shooting big)

wow homie, you're trying way too hard.

[TheMACHINE]

Whose sneakers are in your sig?

Those are my Zoom Kobe VI's. :toast

[dunkman]

Wade and Kobe resemble MJ, Wade more than Kobe actually.
Rose resembles Iverson.
Durant and LeBron had no equal in the past.

LeBron is like an improved version of 'Nique, that also defends and can pass.