Top 10 Players of ALL-Time

[daslicer]

You make him sound like he's an inefficient chucker like Arenas. If a guard shoots 45% or above, he's good. Kobe, during his prime, was a complete player with an ego problem. It's pretty hard to compare a PF (expected FG% 50% and rarely shoot) to an SG (expected to shoot 43-45% and shoot more than get in the paint).

I just see him as a more individually talented player

Truthfully bigs are always superior to guards and forwards the majority of times. Michael Jordan is the only guard I would ever pick over a big if I was building a team. A few other perimeter players I might pick over a big is Magic,Dr J, Bird but even with those guys I'm not too sure about it. Great bigs are usually 99 percent of the time superior to great perimeter players the majority of times.

[DMC]

yeah and pay off the refs
rig championships
yeah i heard all of peoples excuses

What user name were you using when you heard that?

[Deuce Bigalow]

What user name were you using when you heard that?


not from these boards, from different ones

[pass1st]

Truthfully bigs are always superior to guards and forwards the majority of times. Michael Jordan is the only guard I would ever pick over a big if I was building a team. A few other perimeter players I might pick over a big is Magic,Dr J, Bird but even with those guys I'm not too sure about it. Great bigs are usually 99 percent of the time superior to great perimeter players the majority of times.

You're mixing up value to a team with individual talent. They are two very different things. Also, I don't think a big can really go far without a good guard/SF or a decent overall back court.

[Deuce Bigalow]

you're mixing up value to a team with individual talent. They are two very different things. Also, i don't think a big can really go far without a good guard/sf or a decent overall back court.

+1

[daslicer]

You're mixing up value to a team with individual talent. They are two very different things. Also, I don't think a big can really go far without a good guard/SF or a decent overall back court.

Disagree you don't need great guards or SF's to win with a great bigman. The 94 rockets had solid guards in Kenny Smith,Maxwell, and young Cassell none of them were allstar caliber but they still won. 99 spurs Elie,Avery,Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_Th e_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_ Fakers_ were solid players but again weren't even close to being all-star caliber.

By individual talent are you implying that Kobe is better then Duncan because he can hit threes and dribble the ball down the court and do 360's that makes him better talent because Duncan can't do those things. If thats the case I disagree because when you are as dominant of a player as a Duncan,Shaq,Dream you don't have to work on those things because you can already put the ball in the basket easily at a high efficiency.

All great perimeter players always need allstar caliber bigs to win a championship while great bigs can still win without allstar caliber perimeter players. MJ is the only great perimeter player who has won a title without an allstar bigman. Also don't bring up Rodman because he was a one dimensional player that was just great on defense but had zero offense. Name me a great perimeter player that has won a title without an allstar big I challenge you to do that.

[pass1st]

Disagree you don't need great guards or SF's to win with a great bigman. The 94 rockets had solid guards in Kenny Smith,Maxwell, and young Cassell none of them were allstar caliber but they still won. 99 spurs Elie,Avery,Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_Th e_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_ Fakers_ were solid players but again weren't even close to being all-star caliber.

By individual talent are you implying that Kobe is better then Duncan because he can hit threes and dribble the ball down the court and do 360's that makes him better talent because Duncan can't do those things. If thats the case I disagree because when you are as dominant of a player as a Duncan,Shaq,Dream you don't have to work on those things because you can already put the ball in the basket easily at a high efficiency.

All great perimeter players always need allstar caliber bigs to win a championship while great bigs can still win without allstar caliber perimeter players. MJ is the only great perimeter player who has won a title without an allstar bigman. Also don't bring up Rodman because he was a one dimensional player that was just great on defense but had zero offense. Name me a great perimeter player that has won a title without an allstar big I challenge you to do that.

The rockets had a decent back court, like I mentioned before. I'm not implying Kobe is better than Duncan, because there is more to a TEAM game than individual talent.

Also, 1974 Celtics. Now name me a big that won it without a decent back court (defense or offense). :rolleyes

Oh yeah, forgot who was MVP in that one. Look it up if you want

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

dr j, duncan, ect all the ones u mentioned dont take the perimeter shots that kobe takes

how many 3s have that taken?

Kobe has taken 4,185

:lol only 1 time has kobe shot over 40% from behind the arc & that was when he was still shaqs little bitch boy. looks like he shouldnt have shot 4,185 3's

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

You make him sound like he's an inefficient chucker like Arenas. If a guard shoots 45% or above, he's good. Kobe, during his prime, was a complete player with an ego problem. It's pretty hard to compare a PF (expected FG% 50% and rarely shoot) to an SG (expected to shoot 43-45% and shoot more than get in the paint).

I just see him as a more individually talented player

never said he wasnt a great player but he wasnt a more complete player than td in their primes. td was an unstoppable scorer as well as an incredible defensive force. kobe played well above average D but isnt an elite defender.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe

2008 playoffs
1.367 PPS

2009 playoffs
1.311 PPS

2010 Playoffs
1.313 PPS

to put it in perspective

Michael Jordan

1991 Playoffs
1.406 PPS

1992 Playoffs
1.306 PPS

1993 Playoffs
1.261 PPS

btw, PPS = Points Per Shot (points/FGA)

[DMC]

Kobe

2008 playoffs
1.367 PPS

2009 playoffs
1.311 PPS

2010 Playoffs
1.313 PPS

to put it in perspective

Michael Jordan

1991 Playoffs
1.406 PPS

1992 Playoffs
1.306 PPS

1993 Playoffs
1.261 PPS

btw, PPS = Points Per Shot (points/FGA)
You're a shitty troll, tbh

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol only 1 time has kobe shot over 40% from behind the arc & that was when he was still shaqs little bitch boy. looks like he shouldnt have shot 4,185 3's

:lol
kobe never shot 40% from the arc

[Deuce Bigalow]

You're a shitty troll, tbh

how?

look those stats up yourself, their accurate

doesnt look like Kobes a volume shooter as you thought

[DMC]

how?

look those stats up yourself, their accurate

doesnt look like Kobes a volume shooter as you thought
Wrong thread

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

:lol
kobe never shot 40% from the arc

02-03 playoffs. would of probably ended somewhere in the 30's if it wasnt for TD eliminating & making him cry on national tv.

then why did you try and make a point about his 3 point shooting.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
your a funny troll. a fail troll but a funny one

[Deuce Bigalow]

02-03 playoffs. would of probably ended somewhere in the 30's if it wasnt for TD eliminating & making him cry on national tv.

then why did you try and make a point about his 3 point shooting.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
your a funny troll. a fail troll but a funny one

oh you were talking about in the playoffs, yes he shot 40% in the 06 postseason

and taking more 3s lower your FG%

and Kobe's team beat Duncan's in 2001, 02, 04, 08
so i dont see where you're going with this

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

oh you were talking about in the playoffs, yes he shot 40% in the 06 postseason

and taking more 3s lower your FG%

and Kobe's team beat Duncan's in 2001, 02, 04, 08
so i dont see where you're going with this

that the only reason why he shot over 40 was because of a 2nd round exit.

[Deuce Bigalow]

that the only reason why he shot over 40 was because of a 2nd round exit.

i agree, shooting 40% for a long period of time is pretty hard lol

[Proxy]

You're mixing up value to a team with individual talent. They are two very different things. Also, I don't think a big can really go far without a good guard/SF or a decent overall back court.

true... but I think a dominant big is harder to come by than a talented guard, with MJ being the sole anomaly. I think testament must be given to the fact that the finals featured Shaq or TD respectively for the entirety of the post-MJ era. Another testament must be given to the fact that Kobe never led his team to respectable contention without a dominant big man on his team.

You can argue that Kobe had absolutely horrid teams, but if you're to use that argument, then you have to expect the rebuttal of TD's '03 team. This doesn't necessarily downgrade Kobe's value, but it does elevate Duncan over Kobe imo, and if you're to rank the players in earnest, Kobe doesn't make top 10 if TD is in the 8-10 range, being interchangeable with Shaq and the Dream.

[Proxy]

oh you were talking about in the playoffs, yes he shot 40% in the 06 postseason

and taking more 3s lower your FG%

and Kobe's team beat Duncan's in 2001, 02, 04, 08
so i dont see where you're going with this

Kobe's team in 01, 02, 04? :nope

[Proxy]

that the only reason why he shot over 40 was because of a 2nd round exit.

*cough* ahem *clears throat*

Lost NBA Western Conference First Round (4-3) versus Phoenix Suns (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html)

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's team in 01, 02, 04? :nope

Kobe was playing better than Shaq in 01 and 02 vs the Spurs

[Proxy]

Kobe was playing better than Shaq in 01 and 02 vs the Spurs

buahaha! Thus Kobe's FMVPs those years? Thus Shaq playing through double and triple team defenses all game, and anchoring the interior defense due to his size alone? How many players can you name, that could dunk on a TD/Admiral double team defense around the basket?

At least I know to not take any of your posts seriously, now that you've let us all know how little you know about basketball.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

i agree, shooting 40% for a long period of time is pretty hard lol
:lol rj & matt bonner did it

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

*cough* ahem *clears throat*

Lost NBA Western Conference First Round (4-3) versus Phoenix Suns (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html)

only year kobe shot over 40% was in 03. dont know where that troll got 06 from. lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol rj & matt bonner did it

does anybody guard them?

[Deuce Bigalow]

only year kobe shot over 40% was in 03. dont know where that troll got 06 from. lol

im not a troll
and
he shot .400% in 06
.403% in 03
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

[Proxy]

does anybody guard them?

No. The Big 3 are the defensive focus, as was Shaq when Kobe shot 40%

[Deuce Bigalow]

buahaha! Thus Kobe's FMVPs those years? Thus Shaq playing through double and triple team defenses all game, and anchoring the interior defense due to his size alone? How many players can you name, that could dunk on a TD/Admiral double team defense around the basket?

At least I know to not take any of your posts seriously, now that you've let us all know how little you know about basketball.

2001 WCF vs Spurs

33.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.0 apg on 51%fg
shaq - 27 ppg

2002 WCSF vs Spurs

Kobe - 26.2 PPG
Shaq - 21.4 PPG

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

im not a troll
and
he shot .400% in 06
.403% in 03
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

guess you dont understand the word "over" & its worse if your not a troll with the crap post your putting out.

[Deuce Bigalow]

btw, i know shaq was the "man"
but vs the spurs kobe was the better player in those 2 series

[Deuce Bigalow]

guess you dont understand the word "over" & its worse if your not a troll with the crap post your putting out.

your the one posting
kobe is a overrated ball hog crap

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

your the one posting
kobe is a overrated ball hog crap

because he is overrated. hes just the guy that bitched that he wouldnt play for any other team but the lakers & lucky for him he got his wish. switch out kobe with t-mac or micheal redd in there prime and the 3peat would have still happened.

not that hard to score when you have the most dominate post player in history practically drawing the entire defense & kobe still couldnt shoot 40% from behind the arc:lmao

[Proxy]

btw, i know shaq was the "man"
but vs the spurs kobe was the better player in those 2 series

I know of the stat argument. Laker fans always use it, but like I said, Shaq drew the attention of both TD and Robinson. The Twin Tower defense is going to change a normal team's statistics and strategy.

Try and imagine, how Kobe's stats would drop too, if two Bruce Bowens were guarding him on the perimeter... then also hypothetically insert offensive talent into the twin Bowens, so that Kobe had to use energy on both sides of the court... his stats would change.

[Deuce Bigalow]

because he is overrated. hes just the guy that bitched that he wouldnt play for any other team but the lakers & lucky for him he got his wish. switch out kobe with t-mac or micheal redd in there prime and the 3peat would have still happened.

not that hard to score when you have the most dominate post player in history practically drawing the entire defense & kobe still couldnt shoot 40% from behind the arc:lmao

troll :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

I know of the stat argument. Laker fans always use it, but like I said, Shaq drew the attention of both TD and Robinson. The Twin Tower defense is going to change a normal team's statistics and strategy.

Try and imagine, how Kobe's stats would drop too, if two Bruce Bowens were guarding him on the perimeter... then also hypothetically insert offensive talent into the twin Bowens, so that Kobe had to use energy on both sides of the court... his stats would change.

kobe also hit the gamewinner in gm 4
and went 5/5 FG in the 4th quarter of game 3 i believe
in 02

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

troll :lol

what no more stat arguments? did someone give up :(. this was fun. it really was.

[Lincoln]

Lol basing your argument around ppg despite having a shitty shooting percentage

[Deuce Bigalow]

what no more stat arguments? did someone give up :(. this was fun. it really was.

kobe passed duncan after winning in 2010
so...

[Deuce Bigalow]

2007 Playoffs
Duncan - 22/12/3

2005 Playoffs
Duncan - 24/12/3 on .464% shooting

1999 Playoffs
Duncan - 23/12/3


2010 Playoffs
Gasol - 20/11/4 on 54%

pretty close

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

kobe passed duncan after winning in 2010
so...

in what team achievements? kobe still has a way to go before he reaches horry status. you really are a horrible troll.

[DMC]

2007 Playoffs
Duncan - 22/12/3

2005 Playoffs
Duncan - 24/12/3 on .464% shooting


2010 Playoffs
Gasol - 20/11/4 on 54%

lol

Ergo Gasol is better than Duncan, ergo Kobe wasn't the main factor.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

2007 Playoffs
Duncan - 22/12/3

2005 Playoffs
Duncan - 24/12/3 on .464% shooting

1999 Playoffs
Duncan - 23/12/3


2010 Playoffs
Gasol - 20/11/4 on 54%

pretty close

:lol you pretty much just posted that gasol was the main reason for the 2010 championship. i agree.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ergo Gasol is better than Duncan, ergo Kobe wasn't the main factor.

2010 playoffs

kobe - 29/6/6
gasol - 20/11/4

hmmm...

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol you pretty much just posted that gasol was the main reason for the 2010 championship. i agree.

no, i posted gasol cause hes the same position, and as a 2nd option almost was as good
well, statistic wise

[DMC]

2010 playoffs

kobe - 29/6/6
gasol - 20/11/4

hmmm...

But Kobe had that many points in many different games and lost.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

no, i posted gasol cause hes the same position, and as a 2nd option almost was as good
well, statistic wise

lol you sure do love ur stats.

[Deuce Bigalow]

But Kobe had that many points in many different games and lost.

dude you dont make sense

[Proxy]

2010 playoffs

kobe - 29/6/6
gasol - 20/11/4

hmmm...

Why does TD have 2 MVPs and Kobe has 1?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Why does TD have 2 MVPs and Kobe has 1?

because hes better than kobe

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why does TD have 2 MVPs and Kobe has 1?

why does steve nash have 2

and shaq and kobe each have 1?

[Deuce Bigalow]

because hes better than kobe

so, steve nash is better than both shaq and kobe?

[Deuce Bigalow]

for those who think gasol was the "man" in 2010

game 5 of the 2010 finals

kobe - 38 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists
gasol - 12 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists

game 6 of 2010 WCF

kobe - 37 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists
gasol - 9 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists

game 4 of the 2010 WCF

kobe - 38 points, 7 rebounds, 10 assists
gasol - 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists

2010 playoffs
kobe - 29/6/6
gasol - 20/11/4

2010 finals
kobe - 29/8/4
gasol - 19/12/4

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

so, steve nash is better than both shaq and kobe?

if he had 5 rings. seems like you see kobe to be better than duncan because of 1 more ring.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

for those who think gasol was the "man" in 2010

game 5 of the 2010 finals

kobe - 38 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists
gasol - 12 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists

game 6 of 2010 WCF

kobe - 37 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists
gasol - 9 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists

game 4 of the 2010 WCF

kobe - 38 points, 7 rebounds, 10 assists
gasol - 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists

2010 playoffs
kobe - 29/6/6
gasol - 20/11/4

2010 finals
kobe - 29/8/4
gasol - 19/12/4

lol wheres game 7 stats

[Proxy]

why does steve nash have 2

and shaq and kobe each have 1?

GOD. We aren't arguing Steve Nash. He has no rings. We're arguing two of the top 3 players of the post-MJ era, who's impact is so close, that every detail counts. Don't give me the 'Horry/7 rings argument=GOAT' argument. That's weak shit.

[Deuce Bigalow]

if he had 5 rings. seems like you see kobe to be better than duncan because of 1 more ring.

well thats not the only thing, stats, and just watching the game, but its close tho, duncan was a great player, but i feel kobe is slightly better

but, trust me if duncan had 5 rings and kobe had 4, you guys would be saying the same thing too

[DMC]

Nah, I doubt anyone here goes to a Lakers forum and talks about Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

GOD. We aren't arguing Steve Nash. He has no rings. We're arguing two of the top 3 players of the post-MJ era, who's impact is so close, that every detail counts. Don't give me the 'Horry/7 rings argument=GOAT' argument. That's weak shit.

horry wasnt even a 3rd option on any of those championships lol

what about shaq then, you think duncan is better than shaq too, get out of here

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nah, I doubt anyone here goes to a Lakers forum and talks about Kobe.

as far as i know, this is the NBA forum
and what else is there to talk about right now, you guys are talking about him as much as me right now

[Proxy]

well thats not the only thing, stats, and just watching the game, but its close tho, duncan was a great player, but i feel kobe is slightly better

but, trust me if duncan had 5 rings and kobe had 4, you guys would be saying the same thing too

Kobe's rings don't carry the same weight as Duncan's because he was not the leader of 3 of the 5.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's rings don't carry the same weight as Duncan's because he was not the leader of 3 of the 5.

so duncan is better than kareem too?
kareem was the leader of 2, maybe 3 (but in '80 magic won gm 6 without him and had 42 points) so its probally 2
and i have kareem as the #2 greatest

the lakers team was shaq and kobe, it wasnt just shaq
kobe in 2001 playoffs
29/7/6

the only playoff run that duncans has thats as good as that was his 03 one

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol wheres game 7 stats

Kobe had 23 points and 15 rebounds on horrible FG% (6/24)
Gasol had 19 points and 18 rebounds on bad shooting (6/16)
kobe had 10 4th quarter points, gasol 9

[Proxy]

so duncan is better than kareem too?
kareem was the leader of 2, maybe 3 (but in '80 magic won gm 6 without him and had 42 points) so its probally 2
and i have kareem as the #2 greatest

the lakers team was shaq and kobe, it wasnt just shaq
kobe in 2001 playoffs
29/7/6

the only playoff run that duncans has thats as good as that was his 03 one

Like I said to the Nash comment you made... we aren't talking about anyone other than Kobe/Duncan. With Kareem, you have tons of other variables, and I agree with having Kareem at #2.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan

1999 Playoffs
23/12/3

2003 Playoffs
25/15/5

2005 Playoffs
24/12/3

2007 Playoffs
22/12/3





Kobe

2000 Playoffs
21/5/4

2001 Playoffs
29/7/6

2002 Playoffs
27/6/5

2009 Playoffs
30/5/6

2010 Playoff
29/6/6

kobe 2000 run was pretty weak
but the rest of kobe runs are arguably better than 3/4 of duncans

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

so duncan is better than kareem too?
kareem was the leader of 2, maybe 3 (but in '80 magic won gm 6 without him and had 42 points) so its probally 2
and i have kareem as the #2 greatest

the lakers team was shaq and kobe, it wasnt just shaq
kobe in 2001 playoffs
29/7/6

the only playoff run that duncans has thats as good as that was his 03 one

you mean the playoff run where he single handedly knocked out shaq & kobe, mavs, & the nets for the championship. kobes 01 performance is def just as great as td in 03:rolleyes

[Deuce Bigalow]

you mean the playoff run where he single handedly knocked out shaq & kobe, mavs, & the nets for the championship. kobes 01 performance is def just as great as td in 03:rolleyes

knocking off shaq and kobe after they have been to 3 straight finals and won all 3 of them isnt that great of an accomplishment

[Deuce Bigalow]

you mean the playoff run where he single handedly knocked out shaq & kobe, mavs, & the nets for the championship. kobes 01 performance is def just as great as td in 03:rolleyes

03 td was better

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

knocking off shaq and kobe after they have been to 3 straight finals and won all 3 of them isnt that great of an accomplishment

doing it with a rookie manu, d robinson playing limited minutes in his final season, & with tony parker that was lucky enough to play because speedy claxton wasnt able to take the starting spot due to injury. sounds great to me but def not as great as kobes 1st round exits as the only star on his team.

[Proxy]

Duncan

1999 Playoffs
23/12/3

2003 Playoffs
25/15/5

2005 Playoffs
24/12/3

2007 Playoffs
22/12/3





Kobe

2000 Playoffs
21/5/4

2001 Playoffs
29/7/6

2002 Playoffs
27/6/5

2009 Playoffs
30/5/6

2010 Playoff
29/6/6

kobe 2000 run was pretty weak
but the rest of kobe runs are arguably better than 3/4 of duncans

Look, when you have players at Kobe's and Duncan's calibur, stats don't mean as much. Duncan's offensive role for the Spurs' offense wasn't focused on scoring as much as Kobe's for the Lakers' was.

Arguing two great players, you look at all variables. Stats are a part of it, but run with impact and role. Duncan always made the entire team better, and that has always been a flaw for Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

kobe makes his team better, how does he not?

its dumb to say that duncans rings hold more value than kobes, cause it doesnt

[Proxy]

kobe makes his team better, how does he not?

He does, but don't act like he's as efficient as Duncan. He makes his team better just on raw talent and drawing the defensive attention. Up until 05-06ish, everything ran through Duncan. Kobe has never been known for his passing ability and leadership. Don't act like Kobe is some great leader.


its dumb to say that duncans rings hold more value than kobes, cause it doesnt

How is it dumb? How many rings does Kobe have without a second all-star option? How many rings does Kobe have without a third all-star option?

[Deuce Bigalow]

He does, but don't act like he's as efficient as Duncan. He makes his team better just on raw talent and drawing the defensive attention. Up until 05-06ish, everything ran through Duncan. Kobe has never been known for his passing ability and leadership. Don't act like Kobe is some great leader.



How is it dumb? How many rings does Kobe have without a second all-star option? How many rings does Kobe have without a third all-star option?

passing ability?
duncan better than Kobe?

kobes is the much better playmaker and passer

leader, good enough

and about rings, kobe has 2 rings without a top 50 player of alltime
and thats still a dumb argument

so i guess duncans better than jordan with that ring argument your using, jordans always had pippen....

[Deuce Bigalow]

kobes 01, 02, 09, 10 playoff runs are better than duncans 99, 05, 07 runs

again, duncans rings are not more valuable than kobes

[pass1st]

true... but I think a dominant big is harder to come by than a talented guard, with MJ being the sole anomaly. I think testament must be given to the fact that the finals featured Shaq or TD respectively for the entirety of the post-MJ era. Another testament must be given to the fact that Kobe never led his team to respectable contention without a dominant big man on his team.

You can argue that Kobe had absolutely horrid teams, but if you're to use that argument, then you have to expect the rebuttal of TD's '03 team. This doesn't necessarily downgrade Kobe's value, but it does elevate Duncan over Kobe imo, and if you're to rank the players in earnest, Kobe doesn't make top 10 if TD is in the 8-10 range, being interchangeable with Shaq and the Dream.

Shaq never won without a good guard either and the 2003 spurs, while not being a good team, weren't really trash like the Laker squads were. Spurs still had some competence in that year.

As an individual talent, I just see Kobe is better. It's not a knock on Duncan, but he's an anchor player; Duncan does the same things on a consistent basis which is why I look at him as a better team asset. Kobe has spurts of scoring a lot, passing a lot, rebounding a lot or being a defensive presence. He's not the same game by game and the team has to adjust to him, so he's not a great leader.

I think being interchangeable with Shaq or Hakeem is an overestimation of Duncan, though. My take, I personally don't like Kobe or Duncan that much.

[Proxy]

passing ability?
duncan better than Kobe?

kobes is the much better playmaker and passer

leader, good enough

and about rings, kobe has 2 rings without a top 50 player of alltime
and thats still a dumb argument

so i guess duncans better than jordan with that ring argument your using, jordans always had pippen....

If you analyze the game of basketball, you will notice things that impact the game, that aren't recorded statistically. When you watch the Spurs' glory years, with TD in his prime, you will see that Duncan makes the right pass to break down the defense at an extremely high and efficient rate. Usually, these passes don't lead to an alley-oop, or even a recorded statistical assist, but do lead to open shots or open lanes.

Same on d. He anchored the defense, allowing for for perimeter players to stick close to their man on the perimeter, risking a player to blow by them. It was an affordable gamble because Duncan was so efficient at help defense. Ask Bruce Bowen... both his offensive corner 3 and perimeter defense were products largely due to the impact of having Duncan on the team.

This is how Duncan is a better playmaker. You and ESPN may not see this, but it's there if you learn how the game works.

Secondly, I'm not talking about top 50... I'm talking about a 20/10 big man. If it's a dumb argument, then stop trying to bullshit what I'm saying.

Thirdly, let me repeat myself for the third time. We aren't talking about MJ, Nash, or Kareem. I'll take your pettifog attempts as a sign that you can't find a logical rebuttal.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If you analyze the game of basketball, you will notice things that impact the game, that aren't recorded statistically. When you watch the Spurs' glory years, with TD in his prime, you will see that Duncan makes the right pass to break down the defense at an extremely high and efficient rate. Usually, these passes don't lead to an alley-oop, or even a recorded statistical assist, but do lead to open shots or open lanes.

Same on d. He anchored the defense, allowing for for perimeter players to stick close to their man on the perimeter, risking a player to blow by them. It was an affordable gamble because Duncan was so efficient at help defense. Ask Bruce Bowen... both his offensive corner 3 and perimeter defense were products largely due to the impact of having Duncan on the team.

This is how Duncan is a better playmaker. You and ESPN may not see this, but it's there if you learn how the game works.

Secondly, I'm not talking about top 50... I'm talking about a 20/10 big man. If it's a dumb argument, then stop trying to bullshit what I'm saying.

Thirdly, let me repeat myself for the third time. We aren't talking about MJ, Nash, or Kareem. I'll take your pettifog attempts as a sign that you can't find a logical rebuttal.

rebuttal on what?

on the rings

well kobe has more
and
his 01, 02, 09, 10 runs > duncans 99, 05, 07 runs
so duncans are not more valuable

playmaking, get real
passing, get real

and same goes for kobe on the things that dont go on the stat book, like locking perimeter players down

[Proxy]

Shaq never won without a good guard either and the 2003 spurs, while not being a good team, weren't really trash like the Laker squads were. Spurs still had some competence in that year.

As an individual talent, I just see Kobe is better. It's not a knock on Duncan, but he's an anchor player; Duncan does the same things on a consistent basis which is why I look at him as a better team asset. Kobe has spurts of scoring a lot, passing a lot, rebounding a lot or being a defensive presence. He's not the same game by game and the team has to adjust to him, so he's not a great leader.

I think being interchangeable with Shaq or Hakeem is an overestimation of Duncan, though. My take, I personally don't like Kobe or Duncan that much.

I think the difference in the way I would rank NBA players, is heavily based on the interaction of a players role and team success. I don't really factor talent into it as much, or the list would change depending on who would win one-on-one. I think this is where you and I have differing opinions on Duncan value. I guess I inflate the value to the team more so... maybe more than I should...

I agree that the 03 team were better than Kobe's post-Shaq squads.

[Proxy]

rebuttal on what?

on the rings

well kobe has more
and
his 01, 02, 09, 10 runs > duncans 99, 05, 07 runs
so duncans are not more valuable

playmaking, get real
passing, get real

and same goes for kobe on the things that dont go on the stat book, like locking perimeter players down

I disagree. His 01 and 02 runs are not better, because like you said, Shaq was the "man." You're comparing a second option to a first option.

[Spursfan092120]

2007 Playoffs
Duncan - 22/12/3

2005 Playoffs
Duncan - 24/12/3 on .464% shooting

1999 Playoffs
Duncan - 23/12/3


2010 Playoffs
Gasol - 20/11/4 on 54%

pretty close

You just don't fucking get it, do you? Stats don't mean shit when you're doubled constantly. Show me where Gasol got doubled like Timmy did. Damn...this is just horrible. lol using stats to base arguments.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I disagree. His 01 and 02 runs are not better, because like you said, Shaq was the "man." You're comparing a second option to a first option.

so?

29/7/6
and
27/6/5

other than 03, duncans numbers look almost like Gasol's
no way 22/11 is better
gasol can put that up as a 1st option

[Spursfan092120]

so?

29/7/6
and
27/6/5

other than 03, duncans numbers look almost like Gasol's
no way 22/11 is better
gasol can put that up as a 1st option
since stats are so damn important when comparing Duncan to Kobe, let's throw in rebounds....maybe blocked shots? Don't be an idiot. No..wait..keep being an idiot..laughter is good medicine.


lol comparing Gasol to Duncan's prime years.

[Deuce Bigalow]

You just don't fucking get it, do you? Stats don't mean shit when you're doubled constantly. Show me where Gasol got doubled like Timmy did. Damn...this is just horrible. lol using stats to base arguments.

i know stats dont mean that much, but they do mean something atleast
duncans wasnt that great, except 03 title run, the others were very good, but not great

[Proxy]

so?

29/7/6
and
27/6/5

other than 03, duncans numbers look almost like Gasol's
no way 22/11 is better

Again... you show lack of NBA IQ. Is it not reasonable to think that stats are misleading, since Duncan's Spurs always ran on a defensive minded, half court offensive system?... Or are we just going to ignore ever facet of the game and focus on stats?

[Spursfan092120]

i know stats dont mean that much, but they do mean something atleast
duncans wasnt that great, except 03 title run, the others were very good, but not great

Duncan's duties on the Spurs team included a lot more than Kobe's. Defensively, there's no comparison. Duncan was doubled, while Kobe got his points from being single covered and outplaying the man who covered him.

[Spursfan092120]

Again... you show lack of NBA IQ. Is it not reasonable to think that stats are misleading, since Duncan's Spurs always ran on a defensive minded, half court offensive system?... Or are we just going to ignore ever facet of the game and focus on stats?

dude keeps saying stats aren't everything, but every argument he has is stat based.

[Deuce Bigalow]

how are duncan's 99, 05, 07 playoff runs better than kobe's 01, 02, 09, 10 runs

cause statistaclly they arent close

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan's duties on the Spurs team included a lot more than Kobe's. Defensively, there's no comparison. Duncan was doubled, while Kobe got his points from being single covered and outplaying the man who covered him.

kobe wasnt doubled?

kobe was on the all nba and all defensive teams, the defense just let him get everything?
lol

kobe was the better player, and i dont care if he was second option those years

[Spursfan092120]

how are duncan's 99, 05, 07 playoff runs better than kobe's 01, 02, 09, 10 runs

cause statistaclly they arent close

One man was first option all three years...one was first option for 2 of them...one played under tougher situations (doubled) for all three games while one was given the ball while another man was being doubled for two of the games.

[Spursfan092120]

kobe wasnt doubled?

kobe was on the all nba and all defensive teams, the defense just let him get everything?
lol

kobe was the better player, and i dont care if he was second option those years

in '01-'02, who would you have doubled? Shaq or Kobe? If you so Kobe, you're an idiot.

[Deuce Bigalow]

One man was first option all three years...one was first option for 2 of them...one played under tougher situations (doubled) for all three games while one was given the ball while another man was being doubled for two of the games.

so much BS

your acting like kobe was a scrub, and defenses didnt even care

[Deuce Bigalow]

nobody says this stuff about kareem or magic
but once it comes to kobe...

magic has 0 rings without kareem
and that kareem was getting double and magic was not the focus blah blah blah, how come i only here this type of BS about Kobe?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

dude keeps saying stats aren't everything, but every argument he has is stat based.

hes a complete moron right? i bet the other laker fans on this forum are proud to have deuce bigalow defending there team. isnt that right pass1st

[Spursfan092120]

so much BS

your acting like kobe was a scrub, and defenses didnt even care

soo...because I'm saying he wasn't better than Duncan during his prime playoff runs, it makes him a scrub? yeah...you really are an idiot.

[Deuce Bigalow]

hes a complete moron right? i bet the other laker fans on this forum are proud to have deuce bigalow defending there team. isnt that right pass1st

why is a moron calling me one?

[Spursfan092120]

hes a complete moron right? i bet the other laker fans on this forum are proud to have deuce bigalow defending there team. isnt that right pass1st
Laker fans are right about here right now

http://www.bleachernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/carl-facepalm.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

soo...because I'm saying he wasn't better than Duncan during his prime playoff runs, it makes him a scrub? yeah...you really are an idiot.

4/5 kobes playoff runs leading to a title are better, all duncan has is his amazing 03 run, the rest are not that great

[Spursfan092120]

why is a moron calling me one?

You know what? I'm going to stop here..because obviously you're about 13 years old, and don't understand a thing about the years you're speaking of. I really don't want to hurt your feelings, so I'm going to quit. Have a good evening.

[Spursfan092120]

kobes playoff runs are better, all duncan has is his amazing 03 run, the rest are not on kobes level

ok...I lied...

YOU'RE STILL BASING EVERYTHING ON STATS!!! How many people have to tell you that stats mean shit before you wake the fuck up? :lmao

[pass1st]

I think the difference in the way I would rank NBA players, is heavily based on the interaction of a players role and team success. I don't really factor talent into it as much, or the list would change depending on who would win one-on-one. I think this is where you and I have differing opinions on Duncan value. I guess I inflate the value to the team more so... maybe more than I should...

I agree that the 03 team were better than Kobe's post-Shaq squads.

Which is why OP should clarify what they see as an all time player. The best player is very vague.

[Deuce Bigalow]

You know what? I'm going to stop here..because obviously you're about 13 years old, and don't understand a thing about the years you're speaking of. I really don't want to hurt your feelings, so I'm going to quit. Have a good evening.

im not 13 :lol
and im giving facts here, you guys are giving BS

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

why is a moron calling me one?

is there a stat that will show how im a moron and your not. if not then i dont see how your gonna get that point across to me.

o yea from what i have read from deuce bigoalow wilt chamberlain is the goat because of his stats. i think we just answered the question of who is #1 on top 10 greatest players of all time.

[Spursfan092120]

im not 13 :lol
and im giving facts here, you guys are giving BS

ok..14..my bad scro

and stats are numbers...

[Deuce Bigalow]

ok...I lied...

YOU'RE STILL BASING EVERYTHING ON STATS!!! How many people have to tell you that stats mean shit before you wake the fuck up? :lmao

yeah lets just ignore it completely
ok without stats
kobe was just better

[pass1st]

hes a complete moron right? i bet the other laker fans on this forum are proud to have deuce bigalow defending there team. isnt that right pass1st

One Laker fan here masturbates to cartoons and another openly flirts with me. He's gold compared to those two.

[Deuce Bigalow]

is there a stat that will show how im a moron and your not. if not then i dont see how your gonna get that point across to me.

o yea from what i have read from deuce bigoalow wilt chamberlain is the goat because of his stats. i think we just answered the question of who is #1 on top 10 greatest players of all time.

no, go back and read my list, its much better than yours for sure

[Spursfan092120]

yeah lets just ignore it completely
ok without stats
kobe was just better

:lol

congratulations...you've graduated to the level of John Basedow...

:lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

ok..14..my bad scro

and stats are numbers...

:lol
your sounding like a moron to me right now

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

One Laker fan here masturbates to cartoons and another openly flirts with me. He's gold compared to those two.
:lmao

[Spursfan092120]

:lol
your sounding like a moron to me right now

apparently everyone's a moron that doesn't agree with you...yet nobody in here agrees with you..so we're all morons, and you're intelligent. awesome :tu

[Deuce Bigalow]

apparently everyone's a moron that doesn't agree with you...yet nobody in here agrees with you..so we're all morons, and you're intelligent. awesome :tu

i didnt really say that

man these spurs fans are really defensive about their boy

[Deuce Bigalow]

duncan > kareem and magic
am i right guys? cause each were a 2nd option for half their rings

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

no, go back and read my list, its much better than yours for sure

you mean the bunch of numbers that you just copied & pasted to try and hide your lack of knowledge of basketball. going back and reading its the same stat over & over of kobe from 01.

you are a horrible troll. your like kobe. without stats you wouldnt be shit.

[Deuce Bigalow]

you mean the bunch of numbers that you just copied & pasted to try and hide your lack of knowledge of basketball. going back and reading its the same stat over & over of kobe from 01.

you are a horrible troll. your like kobe. without stats you wouldnt be shit.

no dummy, my top 10 list

[Spursfan092120]

i didnt really say that
man these spurs fans are really defensive about their boy


why is a moron calling me one?


:lol
your sounding like a moron to me right now

Hmm...let's see...

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

no dummy, my top 10 list

:lol never posted a list dumshit

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol never posted a list dumshit

on page 9 douche

[Proxy]

duncan > kareem and magic
am i right guys? cause each were a 2nd option for half their rings

You're taking the argument out of context. This will be the fourth time I point out that these arguments are strictly between Kobe and Duncan. There is no formula for this, because every player lives in a different system, under a different coach, in a different era.

[Deuce Bigalow]

You're taking the argument out of context. This will be the fourth time I point out that these arguments are strictly between Kobe and Duncan. There is no formula for this, because every player lives in a different system, under a different coach, in a different era.

i already proved my point as to why kobes better

but all you guys say is its not all about stats

[Spursfan092120]

you mean the bunch of numbers that you just copied & pasted to try and hide your lack of knowledge of basketball. going back and reading its the same stat over & over of kobe from 01.

you are a horrible troll. your like kobe. without stats you wouldnt be shit.

the sad thing is...I don't think he's a troll..I really don't.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

on page 9 douche

srry. thought i saw a 10 in there. hard to tell when everyone of your post have nothing but numbers posted because your a complete moron that doesnt know shit about basketball. you gettin your info from wikipedia? every morons source of information.

[Deuce Bigalow]

srry. thought i saw a 10 in there. hard to tell when everyone of your post have nothing but numbers posted because your a complete moron that doesnt know shit about basketball. you gettin your info from wikipedia? every morons source of information.

:lol
idiot

kobe has better stats, more championships, more finals, better playoff runs
i dont see how duncan is better

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

:lol
idiot

kobe has better stats, more championships, more finals

i dont see how duncan is better

o theirs the magic word:lmao

stats = greatness. how come nobody has mentioned iverson for top 10 player. his stats are great:D
























































































:idiot

[Proxy]

i already proved my point as to why kobes better

but all you guys say is its not all about stats

First of all, I haven't changed anything I've said, and I'm not agreeing with the things the other guys are saying. I'm not saying Kobe sucks. He's great. I think Duncan is slightly better than Kobe, and you think Kobe is slightly better than Duncan. To argue our points, we are having to analyze both of their careers to the most minuscule things.

tbh, I take back any insults I sent your way. I don't think you're a troll, and you make feasible points. I don't agree with those points at all, but I can be open minded and see where you're coming from.

Our difference in opinion, is based on Shaq's impact on the 3-peat teams. That's pretty much our main disagreement, and everything else we're arguing stems from that.

I'm out. Cheers.

[Deuce Bigalow]

more championships, more finals, better playoff runs

do those not count too?

[Spursfan092120]

:lol
idiot

kobe has better stats, more championships, more finals, better playoff runs
i dont see how duncan is better

you're basing everything on offense. Throw defense in there and see who's better. Come playoff time, ask anybody what they'd rather have, a high scoring team or a better defensive team. Ask Pop...or better yet..ask Mike D'Antoni. Duncan is miles better than Kobe on defense. Kobe was better in the playoffs? Since it's a numbers game, who has more Finals MVP's?

[Spursfan092120]

And that's where I take my leave...my head is going to explode if I have to continue explaining this to a complete imbecile...peace.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

you're basing everything on offense. Throw defense in there and see who's better. Come playoff time, ask anybody what they'd rather have, a high scoring team or a better defensive team. Ask Pop...or better yet..ask Mike D'Antoni. Duncan is miles better than Kobe on defense. Kobe was better in the playoffs? Since it's a numbers game, who has more Finals MVP's?

seeing how the 04 pistons dismantled the lakers, only a moron would choose offen....nevermind

[Deuce Bigalow]

First of all, I haven't changed anything I've said, and I'm not agreeing with the things the other guys are saying. I'm not saying Kobe sucks. He's great. I think Duncan is slightly better than Kobe, and you think Kobe is slightly better than Duncan. To argue our points, we are having to analyze both of their careers to the most minuscule things.

tbh, I take back any insults I sent your way. I don't think you're a troll, and you make feasible points. I don't agree with those points at all, but I can be open minded and see where you're coming from.

Our difference in opinion, is based on Shaq's impact on the 3-peat teams. That's pretty much our main disagreement, and everything else we're arguing stems from that.

I'm out. Cheers.

i understand
but what im saying, is that even when kobe was a second option, he was better than duncan in most of his title runs (2001 and 2002 for kobe, not 2000)
the only playoff run that Duncan had thats better than kobes in 01 (and thats just him as a 2nd option) is 2003
i know its not all about stats, but 29/7/6 for the run, 32/7/6 in the western conf playoffs, thats pretty impressive
i dont know what else to put then stats, just stating an opinion doesnt really say anything

[Deuce Bigalow]

seeing how the 04 pistons dismantled the lakers, only a moron would choose offen....nevermind

lakers dismantled your spurs in 2001

swept them
and here was the score of the last 2 games
111-72
111-82

so only a moron would choose otherwise right

[Spursfan092120]

http://nybankruptcy.net/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/d-fence.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

you're basing everything on offense. Throw defense in there and see who's better. Come playoff time, ask anybody what they'd rather have, a high scoring team or a better defensive team. Ask Pop...or better yet..ask Mike D'Antoni. Duncan is miles better than Kobe on defense. Kobe was better in the playoffs? Since it's a numbers game, who has more Finals MVP's?

kobes good at defense too, duncans is better tho, but kobe is miles ahead on offense

finals mvps, duncan has more, thats why its close, the MVPs is what duncan has on kobe

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

i understand
but what im saying, is that even when kobe was a second option, he was better than duncan in most of his title runs (2001 and 2002 for kobe, not 2000)
the only playoff run that Duncan had thats better than kobes in 01 (and thats just him as a 2nd option) is 2003
i know its not all about stats, but 29/7/6 for the run, 32/7/6 in the western conf playoffs, thats pretty impressive
i dont know what else to put then stats, just stating an opinion doesnt really say anything

just so you know i really have nothing against you and take back anything bad i have said towards you but when you constantly use stats as your only argument, its really hard to take u seriously. larry bird dominated without incredable stats. yes stats do say alot about a player but is only half of our argument. there are the intangibles that duncan brings that kobes doesnt. like setting screens, help defense, boxing out, drawing constant double teams,etc. what i mean by kobe being overrated is how espn, the nba, & the rest of the media has blown him up to being a god. like i said he is on the top 10 list but at #10. dont see how you can put a scorer any lower on the list. everyone else on the list are much more complete players.

[BRHornet45]

lmao at Duncan in the top 10 ... such low standards

[DMC]

Dude you're like 12, right?

[Spursfan092120]

kobes good at defense too, duncans is better tho, but kobe is miles ahead on offense

finals mvps, duncan has more, thats why its close, the MVPs is what duncan has on kobe

:lmao:lmao
Miles ahead in offense? Duncan was double teamed and still scored almost as much as Kobe in your stats you showed me. And while rules have made it where you can't even touch a guard who has the ball without calling a foul, Duncan was guarded by guys pushing him around in the paint. To say Kobe is "miles" ahead on offense is disgraceful. And saying that Duncan's Finals MVPs are what bring him "close" to Kobe is even funnier. Would you like to throw All Star Game MVPs in there also?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lmao at Duncan in the top 10 ... such low standards

wow what took you so long? thought you would be hear much quicker to imput your opinion on duncan.

[DMC]

lmao at Duncan in the top 10 ... such low standards
Look at all the Hornets up there.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dude you're like 12, right?

no, i just turned 7 yesterday

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Look at all the Hornets up there.

well theirs kobe. he was a hornet for like a minute.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lmao:lmao
Miles ahead in offense? Duncan was double teamed and still scored almost as much as Kobe in your stats you showed me. And while rules have made it where you can't even touch a guard who has the ball without calling a foul, Duncan was guarded by guys pushing him around in the paint. To say Kobe is "miles" ahead on offense is disgraceful. And saying that Duncan's Finals MVPs are what bring him "close" to Kobe is even funnier. Would you like to throw All Star Game MVPs in there also?

this post is meaningless

[Spursfan092120]

this post is meaningless

nice comeback. :tu

[Deuce Bigalow]

nice comeback. :tu

the post was
posts facts, not garbage

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe Bryant


5× NBA Champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_Finals), 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_Finals), 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_Finals), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Finals), 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NBA_Finals))
2× NBA Finals MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ) (2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Finals)–2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NBA_Finals))
NBA Most Valuable Player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season))
13× NBA All-Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_All-Stars) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_All-Star_Game)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
2× NBA scoring champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders) (2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)–2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season))
9× All-NBA First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season)–2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
2× All-NBA Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_NBA_season)–2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_NBA_season))
2× All-NBA Third Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_NBA_season), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season))
9× All-Defensive First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_NBA_season), 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season)–2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
2× All-Defensive Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_NBA_season)–2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Team) (1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_NBA_season))
4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Weekend_Slam_Dunk_Contest) (1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_All-Star_Game))
Naismith Prep Player of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naismith_Prep_Player_of_the_Year_Award) (1996)


Tim Duncan


4× NBA Champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NBA_Finals), 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Finals), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Finals), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_Finals))
3× NBA Finals MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NBA_Finals), 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Finals), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Finals))
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season)–2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season))
NBA Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season))
13× NBA All-Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_All-Stars) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_All-Star_Game)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
9× All-NBA First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season)–2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season))
3× All-NBA Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season)–2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season))
All-NBA Third Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NBA_season))
8× All-Defensive First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_NBA_season)–2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season)–2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season))
5× All-Defensive Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season), 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season)–2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Team) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season))
NBA All-Star Game MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_All-Star_Game))
USBWA College Player of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USBWA_College_Player_of_the_Year) (1997)
Naismith College Player of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naismith_College_Player_of_the_Year) (1997)
John Wooden Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wooden_Award) (1997)
2× ACC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference) Player of the Year (1996–1997)

[DMC]

Just say Kobe 5 Duncan 4 and cut the shit.

Troll

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Kobe Bryant


5× NBA Champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_Finals), 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_Finals), 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_Finals), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Finals), 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NBA_Finals))
2× NBA Finals MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ) (2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Finals)–2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NBA_Finals))
NBA Most Valuable Player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season))
13× NBA All-Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_All-Stars) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_All-Star_Game)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
2× NBA scoring champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders) (2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)–2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season))
9× All-NBA First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season)–2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
2× All-NBA Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_NBA_season)–2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_NBA_season))
2× All-NBA Third Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_NBA_season), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season))
9× All-Defensive First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_NBA_season), 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season)–2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
2× All-Defensive Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_NBA_season)–2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Team) (1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_NBA_season))
4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Weekend_Slam_Dunk_Contest) (1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_All-Star_Game))
Naismith Prep Player of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naismith_Prep_Player_of_the_Year_Award) (1996)

Tim Duncan


4× NBA Champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NBA_Finals), 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Finals), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Finals), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_Finals))
3× NBA Finals MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NBA_Finals), 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Finals), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Finals))
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season)–2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season))
NBA Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season))
13× NBA All-Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_All-Stars) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_All-Star_Game), 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_All-Star_Game)–2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_All-Star_Game))
9× All-NBA First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season)–2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season))
3× All-NBA Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season)–2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season))
All-NBA Third Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team) (2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NBA_season))
8× All-Defensive First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (1999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_NBA_season)–2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season), 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season)–2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season))
5× All-Defensive Second Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season), 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season)–2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Team) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_NBA_season))
NBA All-Star Game MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_All-Star_Game))
USBWA College Player of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USBWA_College_Player_of_the_Year) (1997)
Naismith College Player of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naismith_College_Player_of_the_Year) (1997)
John Wooden Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wooden_Award) (1997)
2× ACC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference) Player of the Year (1996–1997)


HA! knew it. you do get your info from wikipedia. you do know that all those all defense & all nba teams dont matter seeing how the media selects the teams.

you take away all of that from both players and kobe still only has 1 more team achievment while duncan still leads in individual achievments. which puts duncan>kobe when comparing the 2 players. thanks for posting this. :toast

[The Batman]

HA! knew it. you do get your info from wikipedia. you do know that all those all defense & all nba teams dont matter seeing how the media selects the teams.

you take away all of that from both players and kobe still only has 1 more team achievment while duncan still leads in individual achievments. which puts duncan>kobe when comparing the 2 players. thanks for posting this. :toast

Duncan was never a scoring champion. BOOM!!!

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan was never a scoring champion. BOOM!!!

:lol

[DMC]

Duncan was never a scoring champion. BOOM!!!
Neither was Magic Johnson or Larry Bird.

Allen Iverson has more scoring titles than Kobe. TMac has as many as Kobe, Durant as well.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Neither was Magic Johnson or Larry Bird.

Allen Iverson has more scoring titles than Kobe.

but do they have 5 championships? (except magic)

[Spursfan092120]

:smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode: :smchode:

[DMC]

Magic > Kobe and Magic has no scoring titles.

Scoring titles are meaningless in years you don't win a ring.

Since Kareem, only MJ and Shaq have won scoring titles the year they rung (MJ many times). Kobe won them when he was stat padding.

[The Batman]

lol acting like Duncan didn't have any HOFers

[The Batman]

Magic > Kobe and Magic has no scoring titles.

Scoring titles are meaningless in years you don't win a ring.

Since Kareem, only MJ and Shaq have won scoring titles the year they rung (MJ many times). Kobe won them when he was stat padding.

:lmao Robinson 71 point "game"

[DMC]

Meaningless

[The Batman]

Meaningless
your argument

[DMC]

lol acting like Duncan didn't have any HOFers

Duncan did not have HOFers in their prime. Duncan developed two players who may become HOFers.

Hell, LA had 4 on the floor at once and couldn't win.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Magic > Kobe and Magic has no scoring titles.

Scoring titles are meaningless in years you don't win a ring.

Since Kareem, only MJ and Shaq have won scoring titles the year they rung (MJ many times). Kobe won them when he was stat padding .

what a horrible post

[DMC]

The truth can be hard to take.

Did 4 scoring titles help AI? Did 2 help Durant? Did it help Lebron?

Point

[Deuce Bigalow]

The truth can be hard to take.

MVPs are meaningless when you dont win a championship too right?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

what a horrible post

says the kid that posted on gasol being as great as prime duncan due to stats.:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

The truth can be hard to take.

Did 4 scoring titles help AI? Did 2 help Durant? Did it help Lebron?

Point

it means they led the league in a statistical category
and it does help, how would scoring 30+ not help?

[Deuce Bigalow]

says the kid that posted on gasol being as great as prime duncan due to stats.:lol

there playoff stats were pretty similar
i never said he was as good as him
:lol

[DMC]

:lmao Robinson 71 point "game"
Actually this helps me make my point. A player can just decide they are going to go for the scoring title and pretty much base their game on it. Had Robinson not been in contention, he would not have gone for 71 pts.

Lebron could have won it every year for a decade if that's what he wanted. In Miami he won't get that many shots. Now KD is winning them and, as we saw, in the meat of the moment he didn't do much, but deferred to Westbrook.

What other accolade is that attainable just by deciding that's what you want? It's like going for MVP in the AS game.

[Spursfan092120]

what a horrible post

Tracy McGrady won back to back scoring championships with the Orlando Magic in 2002-2003 and 2003-2004. Only made the playoffs in 02-03 with a 42-40 record. Went ahead 3-1 before choking 3 straight games away to the Pistons. They were a disgrace in 2003-2004. But yeah...scoring titles are really important.

[The Batman]

Duncan did not have HOFers in their prime. Duncan developed two players who may become HOFers.

Hell, LA had 4 on the floor at once and couldn't win.

LOL at thinking Payton AND Malone were in their prime. Shaq was at the end of his prime. Just like Robinson was near the end of his but still HEAVILY contributed in 99.

Developed is a strong word, since spurfans think Ginobli is a HOFer mostly for his overseas accomplishments. So by that logic, he was already somewhat developed before he came over. I guess depending on the day, Ginobli is or isn't a HOFer.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

MVPs are meaningless when you dont win a championship too right?

:wow your like a retarded version of koolaid.

[DMC]

it means they led the league in a statistical category
and it does help, how would scoring 30+ not help?

If the other players got involved.

Basketball: learn it

[DMC]

:wow your like a retarded version of koolaid.
Is there a different version of Koolaid than the retarded one?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tracy McGrady won back to back scoring championships with the Orlando Magic in 2002-2003 and 2003-2004. Only made the playoffs in 02-03 with a 42-40 record. Went ahead 3-1 before choking 3 straight games away to the Pistons. They were a disgrace in 2003-2004. But yeah...scoring titles are really important.

ok ill use the same logic
2002 duncan won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2004 KG won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2007 Dirk won MVP, lost in 1st round
2009 Lebron won MVP, lost in ECF
2010 Lebron won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2011 Rose won MVP, lost in ECF

MVPs are really important

:lol

[DMC]

LOL at thinking Payton AND Malone were in their prime. Shaq was at the end of his prime. Just like Robinson was near the end of his but still HEAVILY contributed in 99.

Developed is a strong word, since spurfans think Ginobli is a HOFer mostly for his overseas accomplishments. So by that logic, he was already somewhat developed before he came over. I guess depending on the day, Ginobli is or isn't a HOFer.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

If Robinson was a HOFer that Duncan had, then Malone and Payton were HOFers that Kobe and Shaq had.

Since Dave retired in 2003, I would say Dave was not in his prime during that title run.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:wow your like a retarded version of koolaid.

then why are scoring titles meaningless?

[DMC]

ok ill use the same logic
2002 duncan won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2004 KG won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2007 Dirk won MVP, lost in 1st round
2009 Lebron won MVP, lost in ECF
2010 Lebron won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2011 Rose won MVP, lost in ECF

MVPs are really important

:lol

MVP is voted, not statistically gained by ignoring the team strategy.

Regular season MVP is one of the most coveted awards in the game, just short of the Finals. It gets more notice than Finals MVP tbh.

Pretty sure Tim won the MVP the same year they won the ring, 2003.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Is there a different version of Koolaid than the retarded one?

no not really. guess i ment to say is hes like a more retarded version of koolaid.

[The Batman]

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

If Robinson was a HOFer that Duncan had, then Malone and Payton were HOFers that Kobe and Shaq had.

Since Dave retired in 2003, I would say Dave was not in his prime during that title run.

I'm not saying he was. I'm saying Ginobli was, and he is probably going to be a HOFer.

[Deuce Bigalow]

no, its because duncan doesnt have any, so it doesnt count

lol

[Spursfan092120]

ok ill use the same logic
2002 duncan won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2004 KG won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2007 Dirk won MVP, lost in 1st round
2009 Lebron won MVP, lost in ECF
2010 Lebron won MVP, lost in 2nd round
2011 Rose won MVP, lost in ECF

MVPs are really important

:lol

lol proving my point
lol not realizing when you're getting laughed at
lol saying Tim's Finals MVPs are the reason he's close to Kobe, then bashing the importance of MVPs.
lol 12 year old with no basketball intelligence
lol you
lol ugly half jewish half catholic male prostitutes

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol proving my point
lol not realizing when you're getting laughed at
lol saying Tim's Finals MVPs are the reason he's close to Kobe, then bashing the importance of MVPs.
lol 12 year old with no basketball intelligence
lol you
lol ugly half jewish half catholic male prostitutes

no, your missing my point
i was just using the same logic as DMC
so i dont really mean that lol

[DMC]

I'm not saying he was. I'm saying Ginobli was, and he is probably going to be a HOFer.
He wasn't then. Revisionist history is down the hall.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

then why are scoring titles meaningless?

any player can become the scoring champ. you either need to be the only good player on the team or be ball hogs like AI or kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

any player can become the scoring champ. you either need to be the only good player on the team or be ball hogs like AI or kobe.

so
kobes overrated
kobes a ballhog

what else is he smartone?

[DMC]

any player can become the scoring champ. you either need to be the only good player on the team or be ball hogs like AI or kobe.


When Lebron says "If I go to Miami, I know I probably won't win a scoring title, but that's not what I am after", you know it's the last award on the shelf anyone grabs. It's the only quantity award. The rest are quality awards.

[DMC]

so
kobes overrated
kobes a ballhog

what else is he smartone?

Your daddy

[Deuce Bigalow]

When Lebron says "If I go to Miami, I know I probably won't win a scoring title, but that's not what I am after", you know it's the last award on the shelf anyone grabs. It's the only quantity award. The rest are quality awards.

im not saying its an amazing omg
its still important tho

[Deuce Bigalow]

Your daddy

dude your so funny
dude your so funny
dude your so funny
dude your so funny
dude your so funny

[DMC]

im not saying its an amazing omg
its still important tho
No, it's not. A team like the 2004 Pistons that had 4 people scoring 20pts a game is much much more potent than a team with a 36ppg scorer.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No, it's not. A team like the 2004 Pistons that had 4 people scoring 20pts a game is much much more potent than a team with a 36ppg scorer.

when kobe won the scoring title in 2006
he averaged 35.4 PPG
only the 5th player ever to average 35+ for a season

not impressive? never happened, doesnt count blah blah right

[DMC]

Look, it's obvious you either don't understand the game or you are a shitty troll. Either way you have your information, so you can go out and watch the game differently and return with more intelligent trolls.

[Deuce Bigalow]

its obvious that you dont know as much about basketball as me

[DMC]

when kobe won the scoring title in 2006
he averaged 35.4 PPG
only the 5th player ever to average 35+ for a season

not impressive? never happened, doesnt count blah blah right
And then lost in the 1st round to Phoenix.

Kevin Love had a 30/30 game last year. Kobe's never had that. Kevin Love's team sucked green mule cock. Kevin Love pads his stats. He's not the second coming of Moses Malone.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

so
kobes overrated
kobes a ballhog

what else is he smartone?

when did kobe win scoring champ. 2 time out of 3 season where he was padding his stats & being forgotten because there was no allstar big to make him look good. sounds about right

[Deuce Bigalow]

And the lost in the 1st round to Phoenix.

give me his roster that year?
with that team, why should that take away that accomplishemt, he dropped 81 in a game, 62 in 3 quarters
duncan can only dream

[DMC]

its obvious that you dont know as much about basketball as me
I will concede that to you.

Now run along. I'm done with your level of knowledge.

[Deuce Bigalow]

when did kobe win scoring champ. 2 time out of 3 season where he was padding his stats & being forgotten because there was no allstar big to make him look good. sounds about right

forgotten, kind of like duncan since 08 when kobe spanked his ass in the WCF
:lol

[Spursfan092120]

give me his roster that year?
with that team, why should that take away that accomplishemt, he dropped 81 in a game, 62 in 3 quarters
duncan can only dream

In Duncan's prime, the Spurs were not a team based on scoring 100 points and over. They were a team based on holding other teams to under 90 PPG. And then did that. 81 in a game is an accomplishment...but he shot the ball every fuckin time down the court. David got 71 in a game, Jordan's best game was 69..so I guess David Robinson, Wilt Chamberlain and Kobe Bryant are all better than Jordan. Must be, since offense is all that matters.

[Spursfan092120]

I think we'd all agree all that really matters here is who would kick whose ass...I know who my money's on...

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fsQcAb2lj9gb/350x.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think we'd all agree all that really matters here is who would kick whose ass...I know who my money's on...

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fsQcAb2lj9gb/350x.jpg

duncan doesnt look like he would beat someone up
lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

frogotten, kind of like duncan since 08 when kobe spanked his ass in the WCF
:lol

you mean the way the media constatnly use duncan as the measuring stick for bigs but still skip over kobe & still use jordan as the measuring stick for guards. really gonna feel bad for you when lebron wins a couple of rings & kobe is put on the shelf of forgotten greats just like bird, hakeem, & magic. Duncan will always be remebered as the best pf ever. kobe will always be remembered as the player closest to MJ. will at least for now. gotta see how the rest lebrons career pans out.

[Deuce Bigalow]

you mean the way the media constatnly use duncan as the measuring stick for bigs but still skip over kobe & still use jordan as the measuring stick for guards. really gonna feel bad for you when lebron wins a couple of rings & kobe is put on the shelf of forgotten greats just like bird, hakeem, & magic. Duncan will always be remebered as the best pf ever. kobe will always be remembered as the player closest to MJ. will at least for now. gotta see how the rest lebrons career pans out.

honestly, duncan will not be remembered like the other greats, hes not fashy and even close to as popular as guys like kobe
kobe will never be forgotten

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

honestly, duncan will be forgotten, hes not fashy and even close to as popular as kobe
kobe will never be forgotten

like i said when they talk about pf duncan will be brought up. kobe has lebron hot on his ass. no denying it lebron will get his rings in miami. may not be a 5 time champ but a few rings and i gurantee lebron skips over kobe. hes a flashier player. i honestly love your logic of stats and being flashy.

[Spursfan092120]

duncan doesnt look like he would beat someone up
lol
http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Kobe-Bryant-White-Photoshoot-LA-Times.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Kobe-Bryant-White-Photoshoot-LA-Times.jpg

:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

like i said when they talk about pf duncan will be brought up. kobe has lebron hot on his ass. no denying it lebron will get his rings in miami. may not be a 5 time champ but a few rings and i gurantee lebron skips over kobe. hes a flashier player. i honestly love your logic of stats and being flashy.


lol, call me when he has 5 rings

thats the only argument i need!

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lol, call me when he has 5 rings

thats the only argument i need!

ok i will because sure as hell kobe aint winning anymore rings

[Deuce Bigalow]

ok i will because sure as hell kobe aint winning anymore rings

i hope your wrong
but the lakers just need some young guns and theyll be good

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

i hope your wrong

doubt i am. cant expect an over the hill 34 YO player that still thinks he can score 50 points a game to win another ring when hes getting shutdown by a 40 yo jason kidd & gets smoked by a midget(J.J)

[Deuce Bigalow]

doubt i am. cant expect an over the hill 34 YO player that still thinks he can score 50 points a game to win another ring when hes getting shutdown by a 40 yo jason kidd & gets smoked by a midget(J.J)

lol kobe was baddd, i think hell bounce back tho and get healthier

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

i hope your wrong
but the lakers just need some young guns and theyll be good

lol did you not see who their picks where in the draft. have alot of confidence in the lakers FO when their first choice in the offseason is to go after an aging michael pietrus. no the lakers FO is not overrated

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol did you not see who their picks where in the draft. have alot of confidence in the lakers FO when their first choice in the offseason is to go after an aging michael pietrus. no the lakers FO is not overrated

they actually got a good 3pt shooter in the draft
but they missed a guy like jordan farmer last year, man why did they get rid of him, so dumb

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lol kobe was baddd, i think hell bounce back tho and get healthier

cant expect to get healthier when he is considering playing overseas. while players like Duncan, KG, piercre, allen, kidd are taking advantage & getting the much needed extended rest.

[Deuce Bigalow]

cant expect to get healthier when he is considering playing overseas. while players like Duncan, KG, piercre, allen, kidd are taking advantage & getting the much needed extended rest.

that will be stupid if he does play overseas
but he looks better after the knee surgery in germany

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

they actually got a good 3pt shooter in the draft
but they missed a guy like jordan farmer last year, man why did they get rid of him, so dumb

their were plenty of good role player type players left in the draft at the lakers picks and they choose players that made the espn analysts sit quietly & look at each other.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

that will be stupid if he does play overseas
but he looks better after the knee surgery in germany

knee surgery only gets you so far. they have already told duncan another knee surgery would be useless becasue he cant do anymore damage to it. only thing that can save him is the fountain of youth. too bad it doesnt exist.

[Deuce Bigalow]

their were plenty of good role player type players left in the draft at the lakers picks and they choose players that made the espn analysts sit quietly & look at each other.

like 2 players from african right lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

knee surgery only gets you so far. they have already told duncan another knee surgery would be useless becasue he cant do anymore damage to it. only thing that can save him is the fountain of youth. too bad it doesnt exist.

duncan had a good run
same with kobe, but i still think kobe has a good run or two left in him

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

like 2 players from african right lol

david lightey- good perimeter defender and pretty decent from behind the arc, Marcus simmons pac-10 DPOY, greg smith 6-8 with a 7-2 wingspan. need more examples?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

duncan had a good run
same with kobe, but i still think kobe has a good run or two left in him

unlike the lakers the spurs have already picked up more than a handfull of young player in past few season to help. never know with the whole CBA who will be available and at what price.

[The Batman]

unlike the lakers the spurs have already picked up more than a handfull of young player in past few season to help. never know with the whole CBA who will be available and at what price.
:lmao Like who?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

:lmao Like who?

leonard, anderson, butler, splitter? LA got rid of their young players for blake & barnes. most likely browns gone to because they peitrus.

[Isitjustme?]

The Spurs traded their only proven young talent tbh

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/George_Hill_San_Antonio_Spurs.jpg/220px-George_Hill_San_Antonio_Spurs.jpg

:cry :cry

[namlook]

doubt i am. cant expect an over the hill 34 YO player that still thinks he can score 50 points a game to win another ring when hes getting shutdown by a 40 yo jason kidd & gets smoked by a midget(J.J)

LOL. Lebron, Wade and Bosh owned by a 40 year old and a midget. :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

LOL. Lebron, Wade and Bosh owned by a 40 year old and a midget. :lmao

They weren't SWEPT tho