Maybe we should have gone to this guy more...

[TDfan2007]

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Tim's still got it. Obviously, not during the course of an 82-game regular season, but I feel like he can still bring it in the playoffs. Say what you want, but these highlights are not those of a big guy who is "done." He simply didn't get the ball enough to make a difference on the offensive end. Instead, we saw our perimeter players jack up constested/out-of-rhythm jumpers on a far too frequent basis.

Tim should just watch film to see what post moves work for him at this point in his career (righty and lefty hooks, up and under, turnaround off the glass) and which ones don't (right handed fadeaway garbage on the right block). He also needs to work on making that mid-range jumper and faceup bank shot more consistent. Shooting is the last thing to leave one's game, so making his jumpers more consistent is a must.

This team needs some major frontcourt improvements, and MUCH better injury luck than we've had in the last 4 playoffs.

I wouldn't say that things should be blown up quite yet.

[duhoh]

fix that bracket brah :)

[TwelveGs210]

Good points..he needs to become a 3 pt specialist while hes at it

[Cessation]

Tim got the ball plenty of times, just not as good as he used to be, plus the grizz frontline was playing out of their minds. He also stopped shooting the midrange jumper in the playoffs for some reason, even though he was descent with it during the regular season.

[TJastal]

Tim got the ball plenty of times, just not as good as he used to be, plus the grizz frontline was playing out of their minds. He also stopped shooting the midrange jumper in the playoffs for some reason, even though he was descent with it during the regular season.

Grizz frontline was tough, but not all world unstoppable. Let's give Tim Duncan some credit already. Seems like people keep forgetting that having one of the turd towers out on the court for half the game with Timmy played a big role in how much effort Duncan had to expend on defense. He was basically covering two guys for half of every game. It's no small wonder he was unable to contribute anything offensively.

[Borosai]

I was looking at last year's playoff box scores, and Duncan played pretty well, with plenty of double-doubles. Of course, he shot the ball a lot more. I think he can still put up decent numbers, but the Spurs need more interior scoring. Consistently.

[spurs1990]

Tim Duncan is 34 years old.

He's done.

Too many miles man. Too many miles.

[Leetonidas]

Isn't he 35 now?

[Sean Cagney]

Tim Duncan is 34 years old.

He's done.

Too many miles man. Too many miles.

Actually he was 34 in last years playoffs :( This year he turned 35 man :(, add another year to that there.

[Spurs da champs]

Those games when tim had it going we could've of 1 especially game 1 he was ballin but he got no shots in the 4th quarter.

[J_Paco]

Tim Duncan is 34 years old.

He's done.

Too many miles man. Too many miles.

You sound like a fucking fair-weather fan. Duncan is far from "done" but he needs more help. Believing he could do at 35, what he once did at 25, was the mistake that the front-office and fans made. His 12 & 10 is nearly identical to what "superior" players Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol did.

[TD 21]

The lack of respect he get's from his own fan base is pathetic. Done? Really? I keep hearing that, yet he finished with the second best PER amongst all centers. PER isn't the be all end all and the center position is definitely weak, but still. You don't finish second if you're supposedly "done".

He just needs proper help. As much as I like McDyess, he no longer qualifies as proper help (at least not as a starter). Obviously, Bonner and Blair don't. Hopefully, they come to their senses and start Splitter next to him next season.

Robinson had fallen off more than Duncan has late in his career, yet all I used to hear and still hear to this day, is about the job he did defensively and his overall presence, etc. Why isn't Duncan being lauded for the same things? Why is he constantly compared to the player he was? I don't see anyone doing this with Garnett. All I hear about is his defense, intensity, leadership, not the fact that he's nowhere near what he used to be.

[tmtcsc]

Tim Duncan is finished.

He rarely gets a rebound that doesn't land in his hands first.

His on-court awareness is atrocious and he's prone to getting the ball stripped out of his hands.

Because he can no longer get any lift from his shot, he is vulnerable to having it blocked by smaller players who can jump.

Tim's defense has been horrible for the last few years. Save for a few blocks now and then, he gets burnt on a regular basis.

When he gets to the FT line, we all know its an adventure. He shot up an AIRBALL in the opening minutes of a playoff game. The second shot barely drew iron. How can you explain that ? Poor FT shooting is a sign of poor mechanics but in Tim's case, it was also a lack of mental focus. Just inexcusable.

He deserves no more than 15-20 minutes of court time and at his salary next season, it will be a tough burden to overcome. We are better off if he retires and we can use the cap space to get better players in.

I HATE writing this message because Tim was and will be regarded as the best player we ever had and the best to ever play his position. He was a quiet leader and let his play do all the talking. This summer, I plan on popping in the old DVD's from the 2002-2003 season. That was Tim at his best. 2 time MVP of the league, Finals MVP and a closing performance that nearly netted a quadruple double.


:depressed Sad days ahead until we find an adequate replacement. He was a treasure.

P.S. No one is saying he doesn't need help and would've been better had he been surrounded by better talent. Who wouldn't ? DRob was in the same boat as Tim but that point is moot. He had Tim !

My only hope is that the playoff Tim we saw this year was hampered even more by a bad ankle. If that's the case, then perhaps he will contribute in his final season.

[TJastal]

Tim Duncan is finished.

He rarely gets a rebound that doesn't land in his hands first.

His on-court awareness is atrocious and he's prone to getting the ball stripped out of his hands.

Because he can no longer get any lift from his shot, he is vulnerable to having it blocked by smaller players who can jump.

Tim's defense has been horrible for the last few years. Save for a few blocks now and then, he gets burnt on a regular basis.

When he gets to the FT line, we all know its an adventure. He shot up an AIRBALL in the opening minutes of a playoff game. The second shot barely drew iron. How can you explain that ? Poor FT shooting is a sign of poor mechanics but in Tim's case, it was also a lack of mental focus. Just inexcusable.

He deserves no more than 15-20 minutes of court time and at his salary next season, it will be a tough burden to overcome. We are better off if he retires and we can use the cap space to get better players in.

I HATE writing this message because Tim was and will be regarded as the best player we ever had and the best to ever play his position. He was a quiet leader and let his play do all the talking. This summer, I plan on popping in the old DVD's from the 2002-2003 season. That was Tim at his best. 2 time MVP of the league, Finals MVP and a closing performance that nearly netted a quadruple double.


:depressed Sad days ahead until we find an adequate replacement. He was a treasure.

Yup 2nd in PER among centers and he's finished. Kaput. :lol

[Spurs da champs]

Yup 2nd in PER among centers and he's finished. Kaput. :lol

And Matt bonner had the best 3PTFG% your point?

[TJastal]

And Matt bonner had the best 3PTFG% your point?

Newsflash to numbnutz (you): PER is a measure of more than one thing, it's actually a whole lot of statistics (offensive and defensive).

Matt Bonner can do one thing well: shoot uncontested 3's at an impressive clip. Good for Matty. Doesn't mean jack esp in the playoffs when teams simply switch 6'2" point guards onto him because they have no fear of his offensive aresenal. And really, given his career playoff % they don't even need to do that.

[TD 21]

And Matt bonner had the best 3PTFG% your point?

Are you serious? The difference is, PER encompasses virtually everything statistically quantifiable offensively, while three-point percentage is merely one statistical category.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics

Duncan finished fourteenth overall. Check the top twenty. It's probably not the exact twenty names you'd pick, but it's pretty close to the top twenty players in the league. You don't get near, let alone make the top twenty, if you're not playing at a high level.

He's still one of the better all around bigs in the game. The difference between him and guys like Garnett, Nowitzki and Gasol is, their teams have provided them with proper help (although, post-Perkins trade, Garnett no longer has that; but still, they're not asking him to guard guys significantly bigger and stronger, like Bynum and M. Gasol).

[Spurs da champs]

Newsflash to numbnutz (you): PER is a measure of more than one thing, it's actually a whole lot of statistics (offensive and defensive).

Matt Bonner can do one thing well: shoot uncontested 3's at an impressive clip. Good for Matty. Doesn't mean jack esp in the playoffs when teams simply switch 6'2" point guards onto him because they have no fear of his offensive aresenal. And really, given his career playoff % they don't even need to do that.

Yeah and the per helped us in the playoffs right? :nope

[TJastal]

Yeah and the per helped us in the playoffs right? :nope

When you have to continually guard somebody else's man all series long, (as Duncan had to) anyone's production would have taken a plunge.

[J_Paco]

Tim Duncan is finished.

He rarely gets a rebound that doesn't land in his hands first.

His on-court awareness is atrocious and he's prone to getting the ball stripped out of his hands.

Because he can no longer get any lift from his shot, he is vulnerable to having it blocked by smaller players who can jump.

Tim's defense has been horrible for the last few years. Save for a few blocks now and then, he gets burnt on a regular basis.

When he gets to the FT line, we all know its an adventure. He shot up an AIRBALL in the opening minutes of a playoff game. The second shot barely drew iron. How can you explain that ? Poor FT shooting is a sign of poor mechanics but in Tim's case, it was also a lack of mental focus. Just inexcusable.

He deserves no more than 15-20 minutes of court time and at his salary next season, it will be a tough burden to overcome. We are better off if he retires and we can use the cap space to get better players in.

I HATE writing this message because Tim was and will be regarded as the best player we ever had and the best to ever play his position. He was a quiet leader and let his play do all the talking. This summer, I plan on popping in the old DVD's from the 2002-2003 season. That was Tim at his best. 2 time MVP of the league, Finals MVP and a closing performance that nearly netted a quadruple double.


:depressed Sad days ahead until we find an adequate replacement. He was a treasure.

P.S. No one is saying he doesn't need help and would've been better had he been surrounded by better talent. Who wouldn't ? DRob was in the same boat as Tim but that point is moot. He had Tim !

My only hope is that the playoff Tim we saw this year was hampered even more by a bad ankle. If that's the case, then perhaps he will contribute in his final season.

You sure are showing the "best Spur ever" tons of respect. He isn't 25 years old anymore, expecting him to perform like one is moronic. Stop pining for what Timmy once was and just hope that the front-office finally sees his physical limitations and gives him more help. You've got Shaquille O'Neal playing at a shell of his former self yet people don't scream for his retirement. Doesn't Duncan deserve the same level of respect? Especially from the only team he's ever played for. Or would you prefer to see him go out like Ewing, Malone and Olajuwon - Orlando, Los Angeles and Toronto respectively - playing out their last days in alien jerseys/cities?

Spur fans have been spoiled......by the greatness of Timmy Duncan. Now that his play has begun to slip significantly they want him out the door. It took the Spurs 25+ years to sniff one L.O.B., yet Duncan - with the help of Robinson, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Horry and many others - gave them three more afterward. Ask the Portland Trailblazer, Seattle Supersonic, New York Knick, Golden State Warrior, Washington Bullet and Atlanta Hawk fans how fun it is searching for that championship formula that alluded them long ago. Cause we maybe doing the same after #21`hangs up his adidas.

[tmtcsc]

Tim's talent never went away.. He was the victim of bad knees. Not a lack of desire or know how. I also don't think its his age. He's just physically unable to do the things he once did. Marc Gasol and Randolph ? Are you kidding me ? He would've torn them up in his prime. Randolph would have been on the bench in foul trouble or T'd up for being frustrated.

Tim used to abuse Karl Malone and treated Greg Ostertag like a red-headed step child. We blew out the 3 time defending Lakers on their home court by 28 or 30 pts. That was with Kobe, Shaq, Horry and Derek Fisher in their primes.

[tmtcsc]

You sure are showing the "best Spur ever" tons of respect. He isn't 25 years old anymore, expecting him to perform like one is moronic. Stop pining for what Timmy once was and just hope that the front-office finally sees his physical limitations and gives him more help. You've got Shaquille O'Neal playing at a shell of his former self yet people don't scream for his retirement. Doesn't Duncan deserve the same level of respect? Especially from the only team he's ever played for. Or would you prefer to see him go out like Ewing, Malone and Olajuwon - Orlando, Los Angeles and Toronto respectively - playing out their last days in alien jerseys/cities?

I want Tim to retire a Spur. I'm not pining for what he once was, I'm just appreciating it. Unfortunately, his salary is based upon what he used to be and will hurt this team NOW.

You don't hear people dogging Shaq because he was finished a long time ago. He's playing for 1 million per year now right ? He's older than Tim and can't even get on the floor anymore. Shaq is in a whole other category and is going on out with a whimper. He's played for Orlando, LA, Miami, Phoenix, Cleveland and now Boston. That's sad.

[J_Paco]

Tim's talent never went away.. He was the victim of bad knees. Not a lack of desire or know how. I also don't think its his age. He's just physically unable to do the things he once did. Marc Gasol and Randolph ? Are you kidding me ? He would've torn them up in his prime. Randolph would have been on the bench in foul trouble or T'd up for being frustrated.

Tim used to abuse Karl Malone and treated Greg Ostertag like a red-headed step child. We blew out the 3 time defending Lakers on their home court by 28 or 30 pts. That was with Kobe, Shaq, Horry and Derek Fisher in their primes.

Okay, that is the past. Deal with the team's current situation 'cause like Rick Pitino said about the 1980's Celts, "Timmy Duncan ain't come through those doors, again. Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, David Robinson and Bruce Bowen ain't coming through those doors, again." :pop:

[Cane]

I agree with the OP however Duncan unfortunately hurt his ankle towards the end of the regular season and tweaked it again midway in the first round. Dealing with both an injury and an undersized roster made him look worse than he was....but then again part of being old is that it gets harder to finish a season healthy :(

However Duncan set the tone early in the series with 10 blocks in the first 3 games. He was also grabbing 11+ boards per game and was shooting over 50%. Duncan was also throwing down flashback dunks that we haven't seen from him all season before he re-injured his ankle.

But after he tweaked his ankle he didn't seem as active. Also he was defending Marc Gasol who is not only nearly a decade younger but also weighs at least 20 pounds more while possessing a wide variety of skills of his own. Duncan also had to help out a lot and since no one else has the size to defend Gasol it opened up the court for the Grizz.

With Dice retiring next season and the Spurs lack of size and athleticism on display in the first round, hopefully Duncan and Splitter will form their own twin towers. But that means the Spurs need to find a better answer for the back-ups than Blair and Bonner. An athletic shotblocker would be nice.

It also doesn't help that the Spurs have a lot of undersized players even outside of their frontcourt especially compared to the Grizzlies and OKC. Spurs never had a real back-up SF, didn't have an athletic shotblocking big, etc.

[Cessation]

Grizz frontline was tough, but not all world unstoppable. Let's give Tim Duncan some credit already. Seems like people keep forgetting that having one of the turd towers out on the court for half the game with Timmy played a big role in how much effort Duncan had to expend on defense. He was basically covering two guys for half of every game. It's no small wonder he was unable to contribute anything offensively.

I agree when bonner was with duncan it was 4 on 5 defencivelly. It was him against both zbo and gasol.

[TJastal]

I agree with the OP however Duncan unfortunately hurt his ankle towards the end of the regular season and tweaked it again midway in the first round. Dealing with both an injury and an undersized roster made him look worse than he was....but then again part of being old is that it gets harder to finish a season healthy :(

However Duncan set the tone early in the series with 10 blocks in the first 3 games. He was also grabbing 11+ boards per game and was shooting over 50%. Duncan was also throwing down flashback dunks that we haven't seen from him all season before he re-injured his ankle.

But after he tweaked his ankle he didn't seem as active. Also he was defending Marc Gasol who is not only nearly a decade younger but also weighs at least 20 pounds more while possessing a wide variety of skills of his own. Duncan also had to help out a lot and since no one else has the size to defend Gasol it opened up the court for the Grizz.

With Dice retiring next season and the Spurs lack of size and athleticism on display in the first round, hopefully Duncan and Splitter will form their own twin towers. But that means the Spurs need to find a better answer for the back-ups than Blair and Bonner. An athletic shotblocker would be nice.

It also doesn't help that the Spurs have a lot of undersized players even outside of their frontcourt especially compared to the Grizzlies and OKC. Spurs never had a real back-up SF, didn't have an athletic shotblocking big, etc.

This. Add in the fact that RJ was such a slug out on the court and is only going to get worse as he ages...

[spurs1990]

How specific need I be.

I'm talking done in terms of franchise player, all-star player, difference maker.

Maybe he can start for alot of teams but some here think he's still All-NBA. R

Throw all that PER mumbo jumbo if you want, but what did that mean last month? A 6 game series loss to a last seeded team.

25 year old Tim Duncan is not walking through that door guys.

[Sean Cagney]

How specific need I be.

I'm talking done in terms of franchise player, all-star player, difference maker.

Maybe he can start for alot of teams but some here think he's still All-NBA. R

Throw all that PER mumbo jumbo if you want, but what did that mean last month? A 6 game series loss to a last seeded team.

25 year old Tim Duncan is not walking through that door guys.

I will take 29 year old TIM to be honest since that one is not walking through that door :( I will take a 37 year old D ROB too next year and we will win it all with them......

[TJastal]

How specific need I be.

I'm talking done in terms of franchise player, all-star player, difference maker.

Maybe he can start for alot of teams but some here think he's still All-NBA. R

Throw all that PER mumbo jumbo if you want, but what did that mean last month? A 6 game series loss to a last seeded team.

25 year old Tim Duncan is not walking through that door guys.

Ship him out, he's done!

[TDfan2007]

Tim's talent never went away.. He was the victim of bad knees. Not a lack of desire or know how. I also don't think its his age. He's just physically unable to do the things he once did. Marc Gasol and Randolph ? Are you kidding me ? He would've torn them up in his prime. Randolph would have been on the bench in foul trouble or T'd up for being frustrated.

Tim used to abuse Karl Malone and treated Greg Ostertag like a red-headed step child. We blew out the 3 time defending Lakers on their home court by 28 or 30 pts. That was with Kobe, Shaq, Horry and Derek Fisher in their primes.

I fixed the video in my original post. Please go back and look at it, then tell me if those moves could be pulled off by an NBA player who is "done." Shit, his ankle wasn't even 100% in game 1 when he pulled off half of those moves.

He didn't get the ball enough, plain and simple. Whenever he did, our spacing was so atrocious (since our guys weren't used to Tim isoing) that he rarely had enough room to work. You'd frequently see Dice cutting to the paint during Tim's wing isos and just staying there.

OBVIOUSLY Tim is not 25 anymore, but he's still damn good. This team needs better luck with injuries and competent frontcourt players. No need to freak out and proclaim Tim and the team as done.

[DMC]

The Spurs just ran into a wall called the Grizzlies. You see how tough they are playing the Thunder as well. The Spurs' up tempo offense wasn't a match for the Grizzlies 2nd and 3rd shot opportunities on every trip. Still, we were close in most games.

With the power shift to the East (it seems), the Spurs need much more than different schemes. They obviously need a 1st overall pick a few times to compete again at that level because no game changers who are still young enough to do that are going to come to SA.

[NickiRasgo]

Dude is tired. :depressed

[coachmac87]

I think it was pretty obvious TIM lost his confidence, which with him means he is banged up imo. And with him being 35 even the little injuries slow him down. His lack of confidence at the line doesn't help either, don't really see the pump fakes or up and unders anymore. A low post scorer is needed badddddd....

[Spurtacus]

Timmy's ankle wasn't 100%. He had like 5 dunks in Game 1 and disappeared afterwards. Dude can't take on Randolph/Gasol by himself. Blame Pop for not giving Splitter more minutes in the regular season and using Blair/Bonner super tandem.

[Texas_Ranger]

The Spurs should have got him some help. Playing with shit like Bonner, NO defense Blair and an old Dice is not really a dream. Those guys can't play against Z-Bo & Marc. Even Arthur was way too much for them. And we all know Pop is an idiot for not playing Splitter in the season.
I'll just say it again. The Spurs will never win a championship if Matt Bonner will play 20+ minutes, even 10+ minutes is too much for that piece of shit, and if Blair will be our starting center. Oh and that faggot is also on this team.

[Budkin]

Tim gets a pass forever no matter what he does or doesn't do.

[Sigz]

I didn't realize how much he dunked in the playoffs.

[TDfan2007]

I didn't realize how much he dunked in the playoffs.

Apparently you're not alone. Again, when a guy doesn't get the ball, he can't score. It's that simple.

[TE]

If it weren't for how terrible Pop made his rotations, this thread wouldn't even exist at this point.


Failure to integrate Splitter AND bolster the front-court with players above 6'11' were the downfall of the Spurs.


We literally had no inside game outside of Duncan (who is past his prime). Can you believe that shit?


No team, absolutely, no team, will win like that.

[UnWantedTheory]

Ifs & buts....

[TE]

Ifs & buts....



Now there's a smart guy. :lol

[Capt Bringdown]

I don't know if Tim in his prime could have done much with the likes of Blair, Bonner & Dice. Tim might be approaching his expiration date, but folks like to forget how terrible these players are. When a throughly broken-down Dice is your second big man, you ain't getting out of the first round, end of story.