Should Pop work with RJ again during the summer?

[xellos88330]

RJ severely disappointed me, along with pretty much all the Spurs fans with his performance in the playoffs. I still believe that he could be a factor for the Spurs though.

My thought is that maybe Pop should work with him again this summer to get him to learn how to drive the ball while remaining in control when there is some contact initiated. RJ doesn't look like he has a weak physique, yet on his drives he seems to consistently be knocked off his course when he drives the ball.

I say this because his shooting was light years ahead of where it was his first season as a Spur. Do you all think that more 1 on 1 sessions with Pop is in order, or would you rather him work with others? It is unlikely that anyone will take on RJ's contract, and so it would be nice to be able to make some lemonade.

What would you all propose he work on? (Serious answers only please, thanks!)



EDIT: This thread is based on the scenario where RJ is unable to be moved and remains a Spur next season. Respond accordingly please. :toast

[Mugen]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

[xellos88330]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

Fair enough. :lol

[Ditty]

unless pop teaches him to be a better slasher. but everything is more mental. Pop can spend every minute with RJ this summer to improve his game, but it doesn't help that RJ can be mentally weak.

[clambake]

he should pull a cheney and take him hunting.

[dbestpro]

I would rather PJ work with Pop this summer.

[Obstructed_View]

We know how good RJ can be when he plays the right way. No amount of work over the summer is going to change his desire or hustle in March and April. What they need to work on is finding someone that's dumb enough to take him.

People hailed RJ's new contract as a salary cap victory. We'll have to see what kind of garbage they have to take on in order to move Jefferson and get something useful to the team to replace him before making the final determination.

[Bruno]

Well, RJ has started to work out this off-season by partying in Vegas with Luke.

[Duncan2177]

RJ severely disappointed me, along with pretty much all the Spurs fans with his performance in the playoffs. I still believe that he could be a factor for the Spurs though.

My thought is that maybe Pop should work with him again this summer to get him to learn how to drive the ball while remaining in control when there is some contact initiated. RJ doesn't look like he has a weak physique, yet on his drives he seems to consistently be knocked off his course when he drives the ball.

I say this because his shooting was light years ahead of where it was his first season as a Spur. Do you all think that more 1 on 1 sessions with Pop is in order, or would you rather him work with others? It is unlikely that anyone will take on RJ's contract, and so it would be nice to be able to make some lemonade.

What would you all propose he work on? (Serious answers only please, thanks!)
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[Bruno]

Spurs will try really hard to dump RJ because it is what they do when they have a bad contract like with Malik and Rasho. I just hope they will find a taker without giving up too much young players/picks to sweeten the deal.

[Dex]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

[hater]

Dick is a bigger bust than Nick Van Exel.

get rid of this guy ASAP

[SenorSpur]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

Stole the thought from out of my head.:lol

[LongtimeSpursFan]

What Pop should be working on is some offensive sets to get the ball to RJ while he is on the move. While I think Pop is a great coach he is not at offensive-minded coach. Head coaches in the NFL have offensive and defensive coordinators and he needs to bring in offensive coordinator.
RJ spotting up for threes in the corner or at the wing is not his game. RJ was originally brought here because we lacked a small forward that could slash to the basket or post up other small forwards. Also, we lack a point guard that could set up other players. This is something RJ needs as was the case when Kidd was setting up RJ for alley oops while at NJ.

[timtonymanu]

RJ's a lost cause. The fact that he apparently worked out with Pop all summer and came back a slightly better player is signs that he's not going to work out here.

We don't need any more mental midgets on this team and he's one of them.

[silverblk mystix]

What Pop should be working on is his goodbye speech...his clothes packing and his flight arrangements.


If not...Spurs are doomed to mediocrity...or I should say...continued mediocrity.

[ALVAREZ6]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

/thread

[Texas_Ranger]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

[Chomag]

RJ is not a rookie. Sorry to say but, He is what he is at this point and thats just something that will never change.

[DPG21920]

I don't care what it takes (just not Tiago), get rid of him. If it means Hill AND Blair, so be it.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

.....Nick Van Exel.

Ugh.

[suitedkings]

Maybe he can get him to opt out and sign him to an extension as well.

[JsnSA]

Pop needs to start designing plays for RJ and Bonner...play them big minutes and make them feature players for the first half of next season. Then, as soon as they go on a nice streak we will trade them for a ham sandwich or whatever else we can get and be done with them.

[neboat]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

[widowmaker]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

You nailed it!:bang

[SenorSpur]

At this point, he IS what he is. At 31, his game and playing style, which relies on his athleticism, is starting to decline. Still he could be of help to another team that could feature him as a number 2 scorer. THat will not happen with the Spurs. It was a nice gamble by the FO, but RJ has been a bad fit from the beginning and that was even more evident this past season.

Time to move on.

[NewJerSpur]

In the last series RJ either didn't want any part of driving the ball in amongst the trees in Memphis he would've dunked on several years ago (as evidenced by him giving the ball to Dice near the 3-point line early in Game 5 when he himself had an iso opportunity against one of the Memphis wings.....Dice bailed him out, ironically, by driving his battered by to the baseline a drawing a foul, which is what Dick was brought in to do) or he'd go to the rim with some weak nonsense, anticipating getting a foul call because of Memphis' physical rep/style of play and throwing the ball at the rim for a brick that cost the Spurs a possession.

He's got to go, or sit the on the bench and make a lot of money. Like the Gatorade commercials always asked, "Is it in you" and clearly as the series wore on the pressure mounted RJ showed in his case that it certainly wasn't. I'd rather have Childress (PHX) or Outlaw at this point working alongside the youngsters SA has coming down the pipeline.

[xellos88330]

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You can post images. Great fuckin accomplishment douche. Now get the fuck outta my thread.

[ChuckD]

RJ severely disappointed me, along with pretty much all the Spurs fans with his performance in the playoffs. I still believe that he could be a factor for the Spurs though.

My thought is that maybe Pop should work with him again this summer to get him to learn how to drive the ball while remaining in control when there is some contact initiated. RJ doesn't look like he has a weak physique, yet on his drives he seems to consistently be knocked off his course when he drives the ball.

I say this because his shooting was light years ahead of where it was his first season as a Spur. Do you all think that more 1 on 1 sessions with Pop is in order, or would you rather him work with others? It is unlikely that anyone will take on RJ's contract, and so it would be nice to be able to make some lemonade.

What would you all propose he work on? (Serious answers only please, thanks!)



EDIT: This thread is based on the scenario where RJ is unable to be moved and remains a Spur next season. Respond accordingly please. :toast

No coaches with any teams will be working with any players this summer. There's going to be a lockout, and no b-ball until 2012.

[elemento]

RJ played really well in the beginning of the season. Shooting well, attacking the rim. By the middle/end of the season, he was the same lazy lame ass he was last season. He has confidence problems.
The problem is not his body. He is not as athletic as he was when he played for the Nets, but he is still athletic enough to defend and attack well. The problem is the fact that he is a mental midget.

In the big and tough times, he disappears. He is not a guy that we can trust to make a big bucket when it matters. RJ does not want to win. He does not care. All he wants and cares is his pay-check.

We need players with mental toughness. Hard-nosed players committed to win.

We have to trade him. And to be honest, I dont care if we have to give a young asset to dump his ass. He is a bad fit with a shit contract and our FO and Pop know it.

[FkLA]

RJ was always a slasher, idk what the fuck happened that made that part of his game completely dissapear here in SA. Look up tables of players with most FTAs per game from 5-8 yrs ago...RJ was alway near the top during his NJ days. Some of it had to do with playing alongside Kidd and their fastbreak style but he was also relentless at attacking the rim. The RJ vs. Dallas from two seasons ago were I think the entire Big 3 were injured was the RJ we were all expecting...nigga turned into a pussy ass shooter after that though and seems content being just that. Get him the fuck out of here.

[GSH]

People hailed RJ's new contract as a salary cap victory. We'll have to see what kind of garbage they have to take on in order to move Jefferson and get something useful to the team to replace him before making the final determination.


It's a shame the Spurs already pissed away Scola's contract. That would have been a perfect end to the RJ saga.

I look at the roster and the only thing I can see is throwing Gary Neal and his rock-bottom salary into a Jefferson deal. And I'm not sure even that would be enough to get someone to take the RJ albatross from their neck. Maybe Neal and a first round pick? And there's still the problem of what someone would match it with. Is there another player like Spanoulis who wants to go back home?

Of course there's Bogans starting all year for Chicago. What's really going to piss me off is they have a fire sale to get rid of RJ, and he goes somewhere else and has a career season.

[Splits]

What Pop should be working on is his goodbye speech...his clothes packing and his flight arrangements.


If not...Spurs are doomed to mediocrity...or I should say...continued mediocrity.

How are nominations for stupidest post of the year tallied? Better yet, stupidest poster of the year.

Just wait and see what happens to this organization when Pop leaves. Then go throatchoke yourself with your dildo.

Moron.

[silverblk mystix]

How are nominations for stupidest post of the year tallied? Better yet, stupidest poster of the year.

Just wait and see what happens to this organization when Pop leaves. Then go throatchoke yourself with your dildo.

Moron.

4 YEARS IN A ROW DUMBFUCK.


With all the talent that the spurs had this past season...a younger coach would have taken them at least to the finals.

Go suck on Pop & Bonners baby cox you fuckin' idiot.

[Splits]

4 YEARS IN A ROW DUMBFUCK.


With all the talent that the spurs had this past season...a younger coach would have taken them at least to the finals.

Go suck on Pop & Bonners baby cox you fuckin' idiot.

Four chips under Pop, three of them with one superstar and a bunch of pieces, which were magically put in place by a basketball genius

The only NBA dynasty that is a small market team

61 wins with a team most predicted wouldn't make the playoffs

Where is all this "talent that the spurs had this past season" that you speak of? An aging core and a bunch young kids and role players, which captured the 1 seed in the West only to see their difference maker go down in the last game of the season.

You are a jackass. You are a bandwagoner. You are a hater. You are knowledge-less, and you are a disgrace to actual Spurs fans.

Yet here you are, with your single-issue-posts which aren't funny and which nobody agrees with, telling Pop to pack his bags and retire. Go look at your shower rod and make good use of it.

[4>0rings]

Why does every vet we bring in revert to some jump shooting 3 point faggot? Can't we bring in a scorer to actually score without shooting the ball 99% of the time?

[xellos88330]

Why does every vet we bring in revert to some jump shooting 3 point faggot? Can't we bring in a scorer to actually score without shooting the ball 99% of the time?

Agree 100%.

[Duncan2177]

You can post images. Great fuckin accomplishment douche. Now get the fuck outta my thread.

The truth must hurt huh?

[xellos88330]

The truth must hurt huh?

This thread is claimed as facepalm worthy according to you, yet you show your dumbass self in here again?

Learn a little bit more about your own interests before you post a facepalm dipshit. You obviously ARE interested in the topic since you didn't take my advice and leave the thread alone. Tell you what... why don't you give yourself a nice refreshing facepalm for being completely ignorant to you own damn interests fucktard.

Now that that is settled.....




GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY THREAD!!! :toast

[024]

jefferson is the worst fit on the spurs. the spurs system calls for its wing players to be spot up 3 pt shooters. this completely wastes jefferson's talents. he needs to be shipped out on the next plane as soon as possible. i still can't believe the spurs handed him a long term contract despite the disastrous first year he had.

[admiralsnackbar]

Finding a taker for his contract would be hard any other year, but the CBA renegotiation makes any move unlikely. We may be able to talk about a move around December, but I doubt there will be anything exciting before then.

[TJastal]

Why does every vet we bring in revert to some jump shooting 3 point faggot? Can't we bring in a scorer to actually score without shooting the ball 99% of the time?

We had some guy named Hair- something.. can't remember his name exactly. He was pretty good at scoring without having to shoot 3's.

Anyone know who I'm talking about? Pop didn't like him I guess..

[ChuckD]

We had some guy named Hair- something.. can't remember his name exactly. He was pretty good at scoring without having to shoot 3's.

Anyone know who I'm talking about? Pop didn't like him I guess..

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Malik Hairston and his 2.4ppg? You've gone off the deep end.

[mexicanjunior]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

Yep...

[spurs50_]

If a dog does'nt have any fight in him as a pup, he will never have any fight in him. Maybe we can never get rid of his contract, but Pop sure doesn't have to start him or play him big minutes. Can't believe he sucks ass.

[JR3]

I don't give this guy another chance. He is in the prime of his career... he has playoff experience - been to the finals - worked out with Pop a whole off season. If he doesnt have balls by now, he aint going to have them.

[TJastal]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
Malik Hairston and his 2.4ppg? You've gone off the deep end.

Of course, Pop didn't play him. Kinda hard to score more then that when your playing less than 10 minutes a game and garbage minutes at that.

Hairston could have been a solid role player at the very least and with some experience and maybe more than that. We'll never know now.

4>0rings was lamenting the fact that the team hasn't had any guys who score around the basket, well Hairston could. He had a good first step and could really get to the rack. As well as being an excellent cutter (something Jefferson used to be good at, but no longer).

Now go back to your miserable popsucking life.

[Duncan2177]

This thread is claimed as facepalm worthy according to you, yet you show your dumbass self in here again?

Learn a little bit more about your own interests before you post a facepalm dipshit. You obviously ARE interested in the topic since you didn't take my advice and leave the thread alone. Tell you what... why don't you give yourself a nice refreshing facepalm for being completely ignorant to you own damn interests fucktard.

Now that that is settled.....




GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY THREAD!!! :toast

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[HankChinaski]

Of course, Pop didn't play him. Kinda hard to score more then that when your playing less than 10 minutes a game and garbage minutes at that.

Hairston could have been a solid role player at the very least and with some experience and maybe more than that. We'll never know now.

4>0rings was lamenting the fact that the team hasn't had any guys who score around the basket, well Hairston could. He had a good first step and could really get to the rack. As well as being an excellent cutter (something Jefferson used to be good at, but no longer).

TJ is right about this. Hairston wasn't going to be a star. But he would have been used this season when Anderson went down. If we would have given the man more consistent minutes he would have turned into a decent rotation backcourt member off the bench.

[Das Texan]

If fucking Rashard Lewis can be moved. Dick can be moved.


If this is the only thing that really happens this summer, it will be a success. Dick on this team brings it down.

[Trill Clinton]

If Pop was the Wizard and could give RJ a heart, then I would say yes. Since that isn't the case, RJ is what he is. There is nothing more Pop can do.

[objective]

The most annoying thing with RJ on this board is when people make excuses for him over his role and how he used to be a 20 point scorer when he was featured.

Ron Harper changed his whole career around based on being a role player. Harper was a big scorer like RJ. He went to Chicago to be a big scorer in the absence of MJ. But he was a terrible fit and then MJ came back and there was even less need of a scorer.

So he changed his entire game to become one of the best role players in the league.

Ron Harper did it. Richard Jefferson didn't. I don't know if it's because he's too soft or too lazy or not smart enough, but he has zero excuses. He's being paid more than enough to play his ass off with intelligent plays and tough defense without being a top 2 option.

Jefferson is a disgrace and the writing was on the wall before his contract was ever signed, too bad a lot of people including the Spurs refused to read it.

[GSH]

Why does every vet we bring in revert to some jump shooting 3 point faggot? Can't we bring in a scorer to actually score without shooting the ball 99% of the time?


I'll take that question. It's because Pop has always made it clear to any better-than-average player who comes here that "We already have a Big 3". I'm sure he lets them know in his own way, but when they haven't gotten the message, he has come right out and said it in exactly those words. He's made the statement to reporters, to make sure that players got the message.

No one is going to rival the Big 3, nobody is going to show up the Big 3, nobody is going to take the place of one of the Big 3. Go to the 3P line. Stand there. Wait.

People can debate whether it was the best way to handle things - he's won 4 rings his way, after all. But there is no doubt that players come here and become 3P shooting stiffs, because that's what they are expected to do. That wasn't Jefferson's game, and most of us knew that when he was signed. There was plenty of discussion about how his game wasn't really suited to Pop's coaching philosophy. It really isn't surprising that's how things turned out. I'm not happy with RJ here, but I am also convinced that his numbers would have been a lot better the last few years if he had been on another team.

[v2freak]

I think he needs a sports psychologist.

[ChuckD]

Of course, Pop didn't play him. Kinda hard to score more then that when your playing less than 10 minutes a game and garbage minutes at that.

Hairston could have been a solid role player at the very least and with some experience and maybe more than that. We'll never know now.

4>0rings was lamenting the fact that the team hasn't had any guys who score around the basket, well Hairston could. He had a good first step and could really get to the rack. As well as being an excellent cutter (something Jefferson used to be good at, but no longer).

Now go back to your miserable popsucking life.

I love how you people think you're smarter than every GM in the league. You do realize that 29 other GMs took a pass when we let him go....twice.

[Cessation]

I bet when this is over, fo will say they fucked up, same way they said about scola.

[ezau]

I'm not giving RJ excuses but POP simply didn't have enough plays designed for him. POP is content with having a BIG THREE and he didn't know what to do by having an athletic and dynamic player in RJ.

Hell, this dumbfuck coach didn't even want to trust Splitter until it's too late in the season. In fact, he's so stubborn he opted to change RJ's game by letting him shoot in the corner, instead of designing plays that can maximize RJ's abilities.

The old man is simply too stubborn and sad to say, he's washed up as a coach.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, POP has been bailed out by Duncan his entire career here in San Antonio.

Now that TD is no longer the dominant player that he once was, POP wasn't able to adjust and he knows it. He's lucky to have won four rings here TBH.

Heck, Adelman would have had six rings by now if he coached SA since 97.

Point is, it's all about TD and we owe that big guy bigtime for what he's done for the franchise.

[ducks]

maybe pop should work with hill

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The only thing Pop should work on RJ with is finding him a new team. Serious fucking answer, tbh.

Winner.

The guy had a perfect opportunity to show that he could contribute here, to the point of the coach working with him over the summer, and he blew it. Ship his arse ASAP.

[KaiRMD1]

Pop should work with the whole team.

[4>0rings]

I'll take that question. It's because Pop has always made it clear to any better-than-average player who comes here that "We already have a Big 3". I'm sure he lets them know in his own way, but when they haven't gotten the message, he has come right out and said it in exactly those words. He's made the statement to reporters, to make sure that players got the message.

No one is going to rival the Big 3, nobody is going to show up the Big 3, nobody is going to take the place of one of the Big 3. Go to the 3P line. Stand there. Wait.

People can debate whether it was the best way to handle things - he's won 4 rings his way, after all. But there is no doubt that players come here and become 3P shooting stiffs, because that's what they are expected to do. That wasn't Jefferson's game, and most of us knew that when he was signed. There was plenty of discussion about how his game wasn't really suited to Pop's coaching philosophy. It really isn't surprising that's how things turned out. I'm not happy with RJ here, but I am also convinced that his numbers would have been a lot better the last few years if he had been on another team.
I'd agree in the real early years but not now. This team is so leaderless and they don't care who shoots the ball. They are glad when someone takes over. Look at Neal, guy is fearless and doesn't care who's what option, if he's hot and making shots, he's taking them no matter what... and they LOVE him for that. This team is dieing for someone to come grab it by the throat and tell them, this is what we're doing. It's like they are all looking at each other waiting for someone to step up and no one ever does.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

nope would rather have pop work with hill, anderson, and splitter. working with RJ again would be a waste of opportunity to work with the teams future.