Modern Wafare 3

[Trainwreck2100]

announcement went live today
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/52940/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3-america-under-siege-trailer/

[Spurtacus]

Lots of pics and spoilers at the bottom of page.

http://kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011

[symple19]

underwhelming

So, they're going with a scenario that both Crysis2 and Homefront recently visited? Original!

There had better be a new engine associated with this game, And even that may not compel me to get it.

This franchise is getting stale as fuck

[Trainwreck2100]

its a sequel to how the last one ended so of course they are going to go with the us route

[symple19]

Lots of pics and spoilers at the bottom of page.

http://kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011

^That clears a few things up, but it still seems stale

The only reason to buy this series anymore is for MP, the SP is a goddamn joke.

Endlessly spawning enemies, an ADD approach to storytelling, and flashy cutscenes coupled with ultra-linear action that makes me want to bash my face against a wall. Ugh

I bought CODBLOPS, but only played about an hour of the retarded SP campaign.

[symple19]

its a sequel to how the last one ended so of course they are going to go with the us route

yeah, I had forgotten how the SP on MW2 ended.

But, like I said, the SP has been a joke (IMO) with this series as long as I can remember

It's all about the MP


I do like that Raven is involved, but it seems to me that the 3 dev house approach is risky. We'll see

[Trainwreck2100]

Well the endless spawn wasn't in MW2 it's treyarch that has that problem

[symple19]

Well the endless spawn wasn't in MW2 it's treyarch that has that problem

lol wut?

It's been awhile, but I remember well that ghetto level in brazil. If you stayed in one place killing mofos they would never quit spawning. ever

it's a trait of the entire series

[IronMexican]

lol still playing COD.

[ynh]

The best single player CoD was CoD2, by far.

I stopped playing single player CoD an hour into MW2s campain

Really I will admit that I'm excited for MW3.. if it weren't for the Noobtube/OMA/Danger Close setup that everyone uses I would still be playing mw2 over black ops. They take those things out.. and do what they are doing with making bigger maps and vehicles then I'm all for it.

The co-op "zombie mode but with soldiers instead of zombies" could be pretty good.

[DJ Mbenga]

ill play this for about a month

[Mavillionaire]

Will it take a step back in the graphics department again???

[symple19]

^ yes. they're still building on the same engine

[xellos88330]

I love CoD, but I am going to be passing on this one. I am working my way up to diamond league in SC2.

[ynh]

You're not going to see much of a positive change in COD till we get new consoles... even if you have a PC they are developing the game with consoles in mind.

[symple19]

even if you have a PC they are developing the game with consoles in mind.

One of the big reasons for the series becoming stale. (at least visually)

You don't need to create new engines with better graphics when you're primarily designing games for weak-ass consoles with HUGE limitations

Meanwhile, DICE is polishing off it's brand new Battlefield game on the Frostbite 2 engine. Oh, and PC is the main platform. thank goodness

[IronMexican]

BF3 is going to be so gnarly. It's just kind of sad that MW3 will likely sell twice the amount of copies.

[CuckingFunt]

It's not the series that's getting stale, it's the genre. How many versions of ultra "realistic" war sims do we really need?

[Cry Havoc]

It's not the series that's getting stale, it's the genre. How many versions of ultra "realistic" war sims do we really need?

:lol Oh CF. How you underestimate mankind's fascination for war.

Shooters aren't going away anytime soon. If ever.

I look forward to watching DICE's Battlefield 3 kick the crap out of MW3.

[Nathan Explosion]

The best single player CoD was CoD2, by far.

I stopped playing single player CoD an hour into MW2s campain

Really I will admit that I'm excited for MW3.. if it weren't for the Noobtube/OMA/Danger Close setup that everyone uses I would still be playing mw2 over black ops. They take those things out.. and do what they are doing with making bigger maps and vehicles then I'm all for it.

The co-op "zombie mode but with soldiers instead of zombies" could be pretty good.

I figured that a great way to eliminate the camping aspect of MP is to add a special game with zombies in it. It's team deathmatch but with zombies. Stay in one spot long enough and you have to fight off zombies AND the other team. No more team camping a corner. If you think you can hold it off, the other team can rush your position and bring along even more zombies to overrun you and force you to move.

[diego]

It's not the series that's getting stale, it's the genre. How many versions of ultra "realistic" war sims do we really need?

the worst part is that they are not really realistic, they just have real weapons. I'd much rather have fantastic weapons that bring variety than 10 variations of hand guns, machine guns and sniper rifles. the auto heal mechanic typical of modern FPS is just stupid. and to top it off, all of these military shooters make GI Joe look multicultural. I understand that americans won't be offended by the patriotic, US can do no wrong vibe these games have, but doesnt it get boring? the cold war is over folks, and the Iraq / afghanistan wars barely qualify as such (in the words of Bill Hicks, a war is when at least two armies are fighting). if you want to be realistic, there are much more interesting scenarios to play out, like in Far Cry 2 or the Rainbow six series...

[diego]

the zombie thing has also been abused to the point of absurdity, and the nuclear wasteland scenarios are headed in the same direction. I hope the new Deus Ex and Prey games can revive the sci-fi genre; that and horror types a la Doom / Quake / Painkiller make for the best fps action.

(no point in mentioning HL Ep3 because god knows when that will release)

[2pac > Kobe]

what happened to the ut99's and quakes

real skill involved there tbh

[resistanze]

COD4 >>>>>>> COD: BO >> MW2

I hope MW3 can sit somewhere between COD4 and Black Ops.

[DMC]

I want to see another city get nuked.

Also, not enough opportunities to shoot innocent bystanders.

[redzero]

The WW2 FPS has been beaten to death, so the "modern" FPS will be next.

[mingus]

they're overdoing the hell out of COD, but people will continue to buy it because it's a solid product and they do a helluva job marketing it. at the end of the day, it's a fun game to play for a lot of people including myself, it's just that it wasn't as fun as before because there's only a year between the last four installments and that's not including DLCs. they've gone from trying to make an AMAZING experience to just being able to hash one out yearly and hit the jackpot as far as the money. it's less about the game and consumer and more about the money then it was before. they need to just stop it with these DLCs. they could easily include those maps in the game to begin with. the series has gotten progressively more stale because there's only like 4 months between the last DLC and the when the newest COD comes out. people keep shelling out the money though at record setting rates and as long as that keeps up nothing will stop it form continuing this way.

[Nathan Explosion]

COD is fun, but enough with the WW2 era pieces. We know who won. I might be done with the series after MW3 though. Once they finish the story I might move on to something else. To me it's like this, when you've put in time with the story, wouldn't you want to know how it ended?

The Matrix was like that. The first one was good. The second one was eh, but since I had seen the first two, I had to finish the story. The third one delivered in the action department but was not as good as the first either.

[4>0rings]

The best single player CoD was CoD2, by far.



The co-op "zombie mode but with soldiers instead of zombies" could be pretty good.
True along with multiplayer also. COD2 was the best out of the series, by far. They actually made the guns sound realistic.

[Muser]

I'll get it, but only because everyone at Uni will.

[resistanze]

After buying that abortion we call MW2 I feel obligated to pirate MW3.

[symple19]

After buying that abortion we call MW2 I feel obligated to pirate MW3.


probably not even worth pirating, considering how shitty the SP is in this series

[jman3000]

BF3 is gonna shit all over it, but I'll still probably pick it up a few months after release.

I enjoy the difficulty of the SP on veteran. One of the better challenges I get in games.

[The Gemini Method]

I'll get both BC3 and MW3 because I do enjoy teh MP in both...I just hope they do away with that Magnum Ammo BS in BF3 since it sucked having to unload a grip of rounds into someone when I started the Bad Company MP (later than most...)

[Cry Havoc]

the worst part is that they are not really realistic, they just have real weapons. I'd much rather have fantastic weapons that bring variety than 10 variations of hand guns, machine guns and sniper rifles. the auto heal mechanic typical of modern FPS is just stupid. and to top it off, all of these military shooters make GI Joe look multicultural. I understand that americans won't be offended by the patriotic, US can do no wrong vibe these games have, but doesnt it get boring? the cold war is over folks, and the Iraq / afghanistan wars barely qualify as such (in the words of Bill Hicks, a war is when at least two armies are fighting). if you want to be realistic, there are much more interesting scenarios to play out, like in Far Cry 2 or the Rainbow six series...

I dunno, I think I disagree here to a point. Of course the CoD series is being milked for money, but to suggest a genre is getting old just because it's been done over and over is a little disingenuous. I mean, how many times is the plumber going into the castle to save the princess? How many new "Pole Positions" are going to come out, even though we've got near photo-realism in our race games? Is Gran Turismo 5 less fun because there were 40,000 racing games before it? How many games are we going to be able to cast fire spells before it feels trite and contrived?

Yes, there are genre-bending games out there, but just because it's been done before should not dissuade a company from attempting to improve upon the tried and true scheme. Look what Crytek did in 2007 with Crysis. I think gaming is just now reaching the point where graphical improvements are beginning to be a thing of subtlety instead of a dump truck driving through your living room with how awesome it is.

I remember when this looked amazing:

http://retromedia.ign.com/retro/image/article/927/927815/virtua-racing-deluxe-20081106040033346_640w.jpg

I mean, back in the day, that was practically a duplicate of reality.

As technology improves, it allows our characters and environments to react in different ways. You didn't even have a crouch command in Doom, and now FPS games are offering dozens of methods to actually employ the reality of the place you're fighting in. It can make something you've done before seem completely new and fresh. I remember the first time I booted Battlefield 2 up, I shot a tank while hiding under a train. It exploded, and I thought, "This is the future of gaming. I can't believe how awesome this is."

[z0sa]

Can't do the series, as the meta-game is current constructed, any better than Black Ops. It has it all and it's all done about as superb as one could ask for within the series. One would probably want bigger, better designed maps, and a better net-coding, but that's about all I can ask for from Black Ops, all things considered.

MW3 will probably be a suitably standard (in relation to previous titles) re-hash of something that's been done since 2007 and has already been perfected in Black Ops. Probably not worth anyone's $60, tbh

I haven't played the single player of any of CoD, all the way back to the original, and probably won't ever, so I suppose that may be a reason for many out there to waste more money. But Black Ops will "do" the CoD thing for me for some time after MW3 releases - perhaps forever.

I was calling for the series to evolve before MW2, only to be shit on (mainly by that retard Balli). Maybe they'll change it up big time for MW3 and breathe some freshness back into the series. Doubt it though. Until then I'll have the best of both worlds in Black Ops.

[Spurtacus]

Trailer is tonight during the Mavs/Thunder game.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Trailer is tonight during the Mavs/Thunder game.

Saw the commercial for that and am still kind of blown away by how far it's all come from the days of Atari. From a few moving dots constituting a game to marketing, budgets, and production values on par with summer blockbusters.

[symple19]

production values on par with summer blockbusters.

Which is why it's so amazing to me that it isn't a better game/series than it is at present.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Which is why it's so amazing to me that it isn't a better game/series than it is at present.

Actually I think that's yet another (unfortunate) sign of parity with blockbuster franchises, where sequels become progressively more formulaic. With all that money at stake the focus is no longer innovation but to not alienate anyone, which only serves to alienate the fanbase that just becomes harder and harder to impress by both the high standard the original set plus the inevitable immitators spawned. I think it's especially pronounced in a medium where you're asking someone to potentially drop $50+ on the product rather than the $10 for a movie, as well as a customer base that is more likely than your average theater goer to take their thoughts to internet boards like this. I don't think it will be this one, but I suspect the video game world will someday have it's own Waterworld-esque flop. Unless it's happened already. I can't say I follow the world of sales too closely.

[symple19]

I don't think it will be this one, but I suspect the video game world will someday have it's own Waterworld-esque flop. Unless it's happened already. I can't say I follow the world of sales too closely.

Sales are increasingly hard to quantify, especially on the PC where digital download totals aren't released.

There have definitely been huge flops, at least in terms of critical/fan reviews.

Final Fantasy Online and Supreme Commander 2 are two that come to mind, although I have no idea if they were financial flops as well as being critical flops

I'm sure others in here have better examples, but your post was pretty much spot on, imo

[Trainwreck2100]

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[Spurtacus]

Didn't see much gameplay in the trailer. Was a nice tease though. I'm a sucker and will probably drop $60 on this game just to play the campaign for a few hours.

[Sense]

Holy crap BF3 is gonna shit on this game hahahaha... that looked sooo fuckin weak

[Trainwreck2100]

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does not look good for MW hopefully their next vid is better

[TwAnKiEs]

It really looked like: "Same shit, different game." material. BF3 and GOW3 are going to have a three way with this game and anal beads will be involved, lol

[diego]

I dunno, I think I disagree here to a point. Of course the CoD series is being milked for money, but to suggest a genre is getting old just because it's been done over and over is a little disingenuous.
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As technology improves, it allows our characters and environments to react in different ways. You didn't even have a crouch command in Doom, and now FPS games are offering dozens of methods to actually employ the reality of the place you're fighting in. It can make something you've done before seem completely new and fresh. I remember the first time I booted Battlefield 2 up, I shot a tank while hiding under a train. It exploded, and I thought, "This is the future of gaming. I can't believe how awesome this is."

My point wasnt that its gotten old or having a problem with something being done over and over, my point is that the things they are doing over suck as game mechanics. There is nothing wrong with copying / repeating good mechanics. But the auto-heal while in cover mechanic is just lame. I understand the reasoning behind it but IMO it makes the games way too easy. The graphics strive more and more for realism, but a mechanic like that is as unreal as can be (unless the games' fiction can cover for it, but again most "realistic" games dont even have that going for them). Even when the fiction covers for it, there should be a cost to getting shot and a benefit for staying healthy.

Doom didnt have a crouch command, didnt have true 3d (no bridges or tunnels), you couldn't jump, couldn't look up or down... but I had a blast playing it- the game was scary, challenging, full of secrets, and was able to make you feel powerful and vulnerable at the same time. I can still remember every monster from doom, yet CoD, MoH, BC, for all their millions sold, their most iconic/memorable elements are basically cutscenes.

You mentioned platformers... I have two nephews who are 8 and 10. They have Nintendo DS and Wii and the Mario games for those systems. Those games are pathetically easy. I make them play super mario world on an SNES emulator and they are lucky to beat a single level. Developers are more interested in telling their story and want to make sure everyone beats the game. Before you had to earn it (and no, I'm not advocating Battletoads/megaman level difficulty, just a challenge). OTOH, a game like psychonauts which really doesnt innovate in anything game mechanics wise, is easily one of the best games I've played in the past 5-6 years. Why, because it was fun, and challenging enough that beating it felt good.

The other day I went to a friends house and played HAWX 2... It was very pretty, but you know what? 1994/95 Tie Fighter had better game mechanics (squadron commands, flight controls, weapon loadouts, strategy, mission structure, length). I could play a Tie Fighter mission for 2 hours, trying to reach all objectives and making a film of my flying prowess. HAWX 2 got boring in 10 minutes- Its just not fun to fly through little rings telling me where I have to go, when I have to press one of two buttons to destroy the same 2-3 targets over and over again.

I would kill for a good arcadey flight sim with emphasis on fun and control, instead you either have uber realist games (like Rise of Flight, which is still excellent) or arcade trash like HAWX. The problem is not repetition, the problem is that most games today are getting caught up in either being too realistic and forgetting the point of being fun, AND/OR are simply too easy and play more like a guided movie / story book than an actual game.

the technology is becoming a problem. Games have such big budgets, and the HQ graphics demand so much more to implement, that games are becoming more and more like blockbuster movies which IMO is bad. New games may have more polygons/higher resolution textures/bigger budgets, but they dont have more content (games are getting shorter and shorter), and for all the technical complexity they are becoming more and more simple in their mechanics.

[symple19]

tie fighter and x wing vs tie fighter are two of my favorite games ever

[Muser]

Cry Havoc gonna make another thread about not buying this?

[leemajors]

trying to kill everything on the screen, rebel or imperial, in tie fighter was very fun. those levels were absurdly large, especially at the time. plus the whole order of the emperor storyline thing was incredibly engrossing.

I agree with Diego, I personally had more fun rocket jumping around with a rune in Quake (1, 2 and 3) in an absurdly unrealistic environment. When the trend shifted toward more realistic feel and physics I lost interest just like I did with the madden series.

[Trainwreck2100]

There's so much happening with Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 that Game Hunters has already chimed in with the latest on the Modern Warfare 3 story and the Call of Duty phenomenon.

Another great aspect of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 that's getting upgrades in MW3 is Spec Ops, the single-player or cooperative combat aspect of the game.

In Modern Warfare 3, Spec Ops gains its own progressive ranking system, online matchmaking system and leaderboards. There's also a new survival mode that plays out on the multiplayer maps; Modern Warfare 2's Spec Ops missions took place on single-player maps (as will the new game's traditional Spec Ops mode).

"All that stuff really fleshes out Spec Ops and adds in a lot that we know our fans are going to love, some of the most addictive aspects of Multiplayer," says Infinity Ward creative strategist Robert Bowling.

I teamed up with Infinity Ward executive producer Mark Rubin for a couple tries at Spec Ops' new Survival mode on a map currently called Dome, a derelict Cold War-era desert radar command bunker.

As we dispatched ever-increasing waves of enemies, I discarded my pistol for a shotgun. Rubin passed me some in-game currency and I bought and installed a turret to keep the evildoers at bay, while I watched for attack dogs.

After a few waves, the attack dogs became suicide bomber dogs that exploded a few seconds after you shot them. The next wave brought the kamikaze soldiers who exploded similarly.

"You definitely have to change up your strategy as the enemy changes up," Bowling said afterward. "Obviously how you fight the kamakazi dudes is different from how you fight the normal dudes and how you fight a dog is different from a dude and how you fight juggernauts, they are not only big and armored, so they will just brute force come at you. But they each have their own way of being taken out effectively."

Yes, there are juggernauts returning from the previous games; there will be several different types of them, too. But back in the game, I took heed from Rubin on how to counterattack choppers raining fire from overhead. The game has an unlimited number of waves. "We got up to wave 8 which is really a good wave for a first time player," Rubin pronounces afterwards.

"You were certainly very animated," said Michael Condrey of MW3 co-development studio Sledgehammer Games. "That's a good sign that you were having fun."

In truth, Spec Ops was already a favorite mode of mine that I used in advance of the few times I ventured into the online MW2 multiplayer matches. The developers hope that even more players use the mode to perhaps graduate to multiplayer.

"We have all been challenged. There's such hard-core players out there in the online community and you hear all the stories about (youngsters) swearing and ruining the experience," Condrey says. "With Spec Ops, you can really get in there and hone your skills in a more confined environment. I think it's a little more of an easy entry. I don't have as much time as I did when I was 20 to be honing my twitch skills, but this certainly gives me a venue to experiment."

Adds Rubin, "we added Spec Ops as the third game mode," Rubin says. "That is really stepped up this time. It is really a stronger leg of the tripod."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2011/05/survival-mode-in-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3/1

Hey look its zombies without zombies

[Nathan Explosion]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2011/05/survival-mode-in-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3/1

Hey look its zombies without zombies

Or the Horde mode in Gears of War or Firefight in Halo. It's nothing new, but something that can be fun.

[greyforest]

i can't wait for a new counter-strikeish fps to come dethrone treyarch studio's piles of shit

[Trainwreck2100]

This ain't treyarch, but yes treyarch sucks

[Death In June]

This ain't treyarch, but yes treyarch sucksMay as well be. Half of infinity ward went on to form respawn. This is some gutted version of the team.

[mingus]

I want an insane FPS with highly customizable kill streaks. Like once you get to 10 kills midget vampires are released.

[Nathan Explosion]

I want an insane FPS with highly customizable kill streaks. Like once you get to 10 kills midget vampires are released.

Or, instead of getting attack dogs, you get attack raptors. But, this would be a high kill reward because the raptors just kill everyone on both teams. :downspin: And they don't just come after you, they set traps and wait for you to run into them.

[balli]

http://i.imgur.com/VUpXg.jpg

[TwAnKiEs]

http://i.imgur.com/VUpXg.jpg

:lmao

[Spurtacus]

Footage shown at E3 was jam packed fun. Only sequence I didn't like was the chopper chase. Do enemy choppers not shoot back or evade?

[ClipshowDynasty]

Cod4>>>>>cod2>>>>>>>>>ops>>>mw2>>cod3

Cod1 didn't play online until it died imo

[Sense]

Footage shown at E3 was jam packed fun. Only sequence I didn't like was the chopper chase. Do enemy choppers not shoot back or evade?

Jam packed fun?! LOLOL

HOW WAS IT FUN!?

It was more of a fucking movie than actual gameplay, all you see is cut scenes of the player either turning a key.. pressing a button.. going down stairs.. planting a bomb...


it wasn't fun at all...

[Spurtacus]

Jam packed fun?! LOLOL

HOW WAS IT FUN!?

It was more of a fucking movie than actual gameplay, all you see is cut scenes of the player either turning a key.. pressing a button.. going down stairs.. planting a bomb...


it wasn't fun at all...

Fun to me is both gameplay and presentation. I do agree that the cutscenes were a bit too long but the footage shown was supposedly the first mission and you gotta get a "story" going.

I'm still likely going to pass on MW3 until I can get it cheaper. It is more of the same and I don't play COD multiplayer. BF3 will blow it away.

[Trainwreck2100]

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[IronMexican]

:lol Anyone buying this over BF3.

[resistanze]

:lol Anyone buying this over BF3.

*downloading

[resistanze]

I bought MW2 so I think I'm entitled to pirate MW3 and give free copies away anyone I see.

[Trainwreck2100]

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[Veterinarian.]

Single player as always looks badass but the real concern is online multiplayer. Cod2 and cod4 were superb so I'm hoping IW can rebound from the abortion that was MW2

Skyrim and cod coming out within 3 days...better start saving up,tbh..

[Trainwreck2100]

the nukes back. but its nerfed as fuck

[baseline bum]

http://i.imgur.com/VUpXg.jpg

:rollin
That graphic perfectly sums up my reactions to COD4 and WAW.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol Anyone buying this over BF3.

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Battlefield 3 is the truth. It's so freakin' good.

[Trainwreck2100]

http://i.imgur.com/VUpXg.jpg

treyarch is so bad

[SourCandy]

My brother was all about Black ops and I too found it rather fun. I never played the previous versions,so I guess I don't get why one would hate it. He is getting MW3 on preorder. What's so bad about treyarch? I would assume nothing for the casual gamer such as myself but for you guys that obviously play a lot what has your boxers in a bunch about treyarch?

[ynh]

Black ops is very plain and blah if you played the other games. The levels are terrible.. the guns are boring.. game play is slower.. kill streaks are nerfed to hell.. list goes on.

[spurs_2108]

tonight....

[z0sa]

Black ops is very plain and blah if you played the other games. The levels are terrible.. the guns are boring.. game play is slower.. kill streaks are nerfed to hell.. list goes on.

i'll never understand posts like this.. it's like you live under an e-rock. For example, do you have any clue how many people complained about MW2's killstreaks being overpowered? Even on this forum? The call for nerfed killstreaks came straight down from the top, I guarantee it (as if the player outrage wasn't enough for a big change).

And the guns are "boring"? ... what? Sounds like you just play too much and/or rage too hard when you die.

Just like I'll never understand the incessant nuthugging over the original MW, whose style Counter-Strike did better (way better IMHO) 6-7 years earlier. I guess what happened is a generation of mostly ignorant console fanboys finally experienced a great modern shooter and now glorify it to absurd ends.

[Cry Havoc]

Just like I'll never understand the incessant nuthugging over the original MW, whose style Counter-Strike did better (way better IMHO) 6-7 years earlier.

Did you seriously just compare CoD4 to Counterstrike? Dude, you can stop there. That is about as inept of a comparison as you could possibly make. They are NOTHING alike. Counterstrike is a tactical team based shooter, I'd compare it to Bad Company 2 LONG before I'd say it's like CoD4. CoD4 is an all-man for himself free for all. Even Team Deathmatch mode doesn't require any coordination until you get into near-pro league levels of play. In CoD4 you can run into a room with 4 guys in there, and kill them all before they had a chance to react. Good luck doing that with CS. That's like saying Quake is like Rainbow 6 because both games have guns. CoD4 and CS were brilliant but I'd put them at (nearly) opposite ends of the FPS spectrum.


I guess what happened is a generation of mostly ignorant console fanboys finally experienced a great modern shooter and now glorify it to absurd ends.

You're sort of right. FPS fans found a great modern shooter, because there hadn't been one in several years before or since that approached the quality of CoD4. Just because they made several games afterward to piggyback onto it's success doesn't mean they're as good. And who are you to talk about fanboys? You have gobbled up each successive release post-CoD4 like it's John Romero selling you Daikatana, and every time you've said the new game is better than CoD4, mostly I'm guessing because it's "new". You even crowed about how WaW was superior for a while. We get it, man, you'll buy anything the franchise puts out, but you criticizing other people for seeing the flaws that you're willing to overlook is just wrong.

[Heath Ledger]

Im debating on whether im buying it for 360 or pc i have friends i play with a lot on 360 but the pc version is appealing cuz of the system i just got. BF3 is epic on that machine.

My fiance is already pissed that I spent so much money this past week. Last night I picked up a 22" LCD that is on Amazon for $400 for $100.

[Cry Havoc]

Im debating on whether im buying it for 360 or pc i have friends i play with a lot on 360 but the pc version is appealing cuz of the system i just got. BF3 is epic on that machine.

My fiance is already pissed that I spent so much money this past week. Last night I picked up a 22" LCD that is on Amazon for $400 for $100.

Yeah, I think DICE tightened up the code on BF3, because my 2GB 6950 runs everything on ultra as long as I turn off the AA and turn way down the AF. It looks absolutely mind-blowing and I've only seen one slowdown so far.

[Trainwreck2100]

i'll never understand posts like this.. it's like you live under an e-rock. For example, do you have any clue how many people complained about MW2's killstreaks being overpowered? Even on this forum? The call for nerfed killstreaks came straight down from the top, I guarantee it (as if the player outrage wasn't enough for a big change).

And the guns are "boring"? ... what? Sounds like you just play too much and/or rage too hard when you die.

Just like I'll never understand the incessant nuthugging over the original MW, whose style Counter-Strike did better (way better IMHO) 6-7 years earlier. I guess what happened is a generation of mostly ignorant console fanboys finally experienced a great modern shooter and now glorify it to absurd ends.

The guns are boring as fuck, either use the commando, famas, or 47u. Using anything else is a waste. The use of nerfed killstreaks was Treyarch being Treyarch, a below avg. shit developer who only sell cause they get name recognition.

[z0sa]

Did you seriously just compare CoD4 to Counterstrike? Dude, you can stop there.

:lol Ok. Not. You actually completely missed the point, Havoc.

CS was the "original" modern tactical shooter with a high customizable option count. To act like MW's style of "loadouts" did anything but borrow heavily from this core concept is fooling yourself.


That is about as inept of a comparison as you could possibly make. They are NOTHING alike.

Makes me ROFL my ass off, especially since you compared it to Battlefield. Counter-Strike and MW are both tactical team based shooters. Both allow you to pick your equipment and loadout, even skins. Both (post 1.3 CS) are completely vehicle free, not counting killstreak choppers.

Ni gga please.



I'd compare it to Bad Company 2 LONG before I'd say it's like CoD4.

You'd compare a game based heavily on huge maps with vehicles and high player counts to a tactical shooter like CoD or CS? My turn to laugh my ass off. Essentially every iteration of BF is the opposite end of the spectrum to CoD and CS. That's an inarguable fact, brah.






FPS fans found a great modern shooter, because there hadn't been one in several years before or since that approached the quality of CoD4.

And? Every single CoD since then has been better. They're even based on the same engine. Objectively speaking, the only MW has ever had going for it was nostalgia. Every other CoD since had more of literally everything - but because it wasn't the "original" (LMAO - CS was, and several years earlier, which is my point) they have been woefully shitted upon by IW loving assholes - like yourself, no offense meant.


Just because they made several games afterward to piggyback onto it's success doesn't mean they're as good.

Is there seriously even one factor, other than nostalgia, you can say MW is definitely better than Black Ops, for example? We're talking stuff we can put a measuring stick to, not personal feelings and opinions and emotions (like nostalgia for an old, now shitty by comparison to anything new game)


And who are you to talk about fanboys? You have gobbled up each successive release post-CoD4

Okay, stop right there bro. YOU and every other CoD fan here gobbled up MW2 months before its release like "it's John Romero selling you Daikatana," what happened hmm? Should we bump some of your old posts sucking it off before you even knew shit about it, simply because it was IW?

And if you remember, I was the only one on ST doubting whether they could change the formula up in a meaningful way without fucking over their hardcore fans. I got a bunch of shit for it, even from that retard Balli, what for? I ended up being right.

Why don't we leave the past in the past and argue the facts.


and every time you've said the new game is better than CoD4, mostly I'm guessing because it's "new".

Thanks for never reading an argument I made. Every game since then has had more killstreaks, more guns, more perks, more DLC, and better graphics. I'm basing my opinion off an objective reasoning; what's yours based on? A -.5 for lacking originality in the review columns?


You even crowed about how WaW was superior for a while.

It still is.


We get it, man

Obviously, you don't. You shouldn't assume shit about people and then forget all of your own craptastic love for MW2.

[z0sa]

The guns are boring as fuck, either use the commando, famas, or 47u. Using anything else is a waste.

Not that this is true, but playing devil's advocate: You could say the same shit about essentially any fucking shooter. You only saw pros use the MP5, AK47, Colt, and AWP in CS, for example. The M16 is easily the most popular gun in MW. You saw tons of Stopping Power and Juggernaut on the pro scene for CoD 4-MW2. Haven't kept up to date with FFA style FPS but back in the day, in Quake and UT everyone ran for the rocket launcher, etc

This is not a new pattern. You just haven't seen it before and so it must mean whatever you want it to mean.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol Ok. Not. You actually completely missed the point, Havoc.

CS was the "original" modern tactical shooter with a high customizable option count. To act like MW's style of "loadouts" did anything but borrow heavily from this core concept is fooling yourself.

Fair enough. But just because a game takes an idea from another game doesn't make them eminently comparable.


Makes me ROFL my ass off, especially since you compared it to Battlefield. Counter-Strike and MW are both tactical team based shooters. Both allow you to pick your equipment and loadout, even skins. Both (post 1.3 CS) are completely vehicle free, not counting killstreak choppers.


None of the Modern Warfares have ever been tactical until you get to the highest levels of gameplay. Being able to walk into a room and spray to get kills is not tactical. Counterstrike is tactical to an extent. Rainbow 6 is pure tactics.


You'd compare a game based heavily on huge maps with vehicles and high player counts to a tactical shooter like CoD or CS? My turn to laugh my ass off. Essentially every iteration of BF is the opposite end of the spectrum to CoD and CS. That's an inarguable fact, brah.

No. I wouldn't. That's exactly my point. Bad Company 2 is not similar at all to CS, but neither is CoD4. Didn't you say CoD4 and CS were the same because you have loadouts in both and they're both tactical? Well, BC2 is tactical and you have loadouts in both. So I guess they're all the same. :lol

Modern Warfare borrowed ideas from CS. That doesn't mean they're the same kind of game.


Okay, stop right there bro. YOU and every other CoD fan here gobbled up MW2 months before its release like "it's John Romero selling you Daikatana," what happened hmm? Should we bump some of your old posts sucking it off before you even knew shit about it, simply because it was IW?

Forgive us for being excited about a seriously hyped game with a ton of potential. You've never been like that before, right? :lol


And if you remember, I was the only one on ST doubting whether they could change the formula up in a meaningful way without fucking over their hardcore fans. I got a bunch of shit for it, even from that retard Balli, what for? I ended up being right.

What way were you right? You either admit that you were wrong about having doubts, or you were wrong because the people decrying it once it was announced that it was basically a stripped down console game for PC were right. You can't say you had doubts about a game, then splooge all over how fantastic it is, THEN say you were right to have doubts about it. That doesn't make any sense.


Thanks for never reading an argument I made. Every game since then has had more killstreaks, more guns, more perks, more DLC, and better graphics. I'm basing my opinion off an objective reasoning; what's yours based on? A -.5 for lacking originality in the review columns?

This is an argument that's pretty similar to saying if you have a painting that's really awesome, all you need to do to make it more awesome is add more paint and glitter. Still not awesome enough for you? MORE PAINT!

More = better. We get your line of thinking, z0sa. Unfortunately that isn't always the case.


Obviously, you don't. You shouldn't assume shit about people and then forget all of your own craptastic love for MW2.

Don't confuse love with excitement. They're fairly different and pretty easy to differentiate.

[Muser]

I've enjoyed all of the Modern Warfare's tbh (I can see why people hated 2 though) but :lmao at them being tactical.


Look forward to getting this tomorrow though.

[resistanze]

COD4 was easily the best in series from a multiplayer standpoint, imo.

[z0sa]

We're actually not even that far apart, argument wise. I know you know your shit, Havoc. The only reason I even bring up your excitement, love, whatever you want to call it about MW2 is because you brought up my previous thoughts on WaW and Black Ops. Both are, for the majority part, outside of the argument either of us makes. I don't disagree post-MW CoD has been less than original; I just think Black Ops has done it better than ever.

What I'm saying concerning the "more is better" line, is that in the same series of games, building upon that extremely strong concept and adding to it will almost always make it better. I agree this isn't always the case, but in CoD, I think it is.

Example: more killstreak rewards. Did they go a little far in MW2? Probably, but that was more because Killstreaks like the Nuke could be exploited in an almost unsolvable loophole, short of simply deleting it from the game. When players did not use illegal exploits, they were, for the most part, really cool (IMHO). I think Black Ops has the perfect mixture of killstreaks, as all of them can be stopped with team work and good aim (IE destroying planes and choppers with launchers, good aim beating an RC-XD, etc.. the blackbird is probably the only thing that can't be directly countered)

Additionally, few games are tactical at the public skill level, including CS. That's why hardcore gamers know that a majority of the people who play CoD don't know a thing about how tactical it can be in a practiced team vs team environment.

[Frenzy]

I'm gonna check out mw3 as well. I'm not gonna be at the midnight selling but I do plan to rent/borrow it. I'm not gonna go based on what other people expect it to be....never been that way. Very easy to over analyze and take apart a game..how spoiled have we become :lol

That said I hope it's entertaining.

[Muser]

COD4 was easily the best in series from a multiplayer standpoint, imo.

All round tbh. Single Player was stellar for an FPS I thought.

[Sense]

Lol mw3

[Kyle Orton]

Expectations are not too high but higher than black ops and mw2. Picking up this shit tonight at midnight

[Heath Ledger]

hugely disappointed this time around. the first time ive ever liked a Battlefield game more than a COD game. BF3 wins hands down. Played MW3 for an hour and Im over it. Nothing really new, exciting, game changing for me in multiplayer.

Noob tube is effectively worthless as all hell.

[Sense]

hugely disappointed this time around. the first time ive ever liked a Battlefield game more than a COD game. BF3 wins hands down. Played MW3 for an hour and Im over it. Nothing really new, exciting, game changing for me in multiplayer.

Noob tube is effectively worthless as all hell.



We could've told you that, oh wait... we did.

btw Battlefield Bad Company 2 > Black OPS + MW2


I'm glad it lived to its expectations... I'm laughing at all the idiots posting pictures of their "limited" edition shit on the game.. and pictures of the game, etc...

They have really no clue..

[Death In June]

It doesn't surprise me that people might be disappointed with MW3. Infinity Ward is literally half of what it used to be. The creative leads were fired a while ago and founded Respawn entertainment.

[Cry Havoc]

Reviews rolling in for MW 2.5. About what you'd expect. "It's the same game but it's soooooo awesome etc etc".

This is exactly why Madden still sucks after two decades of iterations. People in almost every major industry are completely happy with samey safeness. Gaming is no exception.

[Trainwreck2100]

strike support could be a gamebreaker, it allows for insane amounts of UAVs

[Muser]

We could've told you that, oh wait... we did.

btw Battlefield Bad Company 2 > Black OPS + MW2


I'm glad it lived to its expectations... I'm laughing at all the idiots posting pictures of their "limited" edition shit on the game.. and pictures of the game, etc...

They have really no clue..

Why do they have no clue? They like the game, I don't get what your problem is with it.

It's pretty fun imo, not as good as battlefield but they're two completely different games.

[Muser]

Deathstreeks can go fuck themselves though.

[Nathan Explosion]

hugely disappointed this time around. the first time ive ever liked a Battlefield game more than a COD game. BF3 wins hands down. Played MW3 for an hour and Im over it. Nothing really new, exciting, game changing for me in multiplayer.

Noob tube is effectively worthless as all hell.

You're complaining that noob tubing is actually not a good strategy? If so, then I'm DEFINITELY picking up this game.

Or, you can just sell me yours, and seeing as how it's now used, I think the going rate on a used game is about $45-$50.

[MannyIsGod]

Noob Tube isn't worthless but its sure as hell not MW2 OP. I only have the first one equipped since I haven't been able to level up that much (WTF PEOPLE ALREADY LIKE 30+ levels) but in specific situations it can be useful. I've killed quite a few people on the more open maps with a nicely placed grenade out of that thing.

EDIT: Above was in ref to BF3. Have no idea what noob tube is like in MW3.

The more I play BF3 the more I like it.

That being said, I do want to play the MW3 campaign. I've really enjoyed the previous too. If they have coop like they did in MW2 then I'll pick it up also. I had a lot of fun with a couple of friends of mine playing that coop.

People should just play what they like. Arguing over which one is better is just one more unwinable fanboy fight.

[Nathan Explosion]

Noob Tube isn't worthless but its sure as hell not MW2 OP. I only have the first one equipped since I haven't been able to level up that much (WTF PEOPLE ALREADY LIKE 30+ levels) but in specific situations it can be useful. I've killed quite a few people on the more open maps with a nicely placed grenade out of that thing.

EDIT: Above was in ref to BF3. Have no idea what noob tube is like in MW3.

The more I play BF3 the more I like it.

Yeah, BF3 grew on me, but I didn't have any expectations when I started playing it, so that helped. It's a fun game, but at the same time, a different game so it's not totally comparable to MW3 because of the different style of play.


That being said, I do want to play the MW3 campaign. I've really enjoyed the previous too. If they have coop like they did in MW2 then I'll pick it up also. I had a lot of fun with a couple of friends of mine playing that coop.

Yeah, I'm invested in the story, hence why I want this game before BF3. I'm never played any of the BF games, so I have no interest in the story, good or bad. It looks fun.


People should just play what they like. Arguing over which one is better is just one more unwinable fanboy fight.

You should put that in the iOS vs Android thread too. People like what they like. End of story. Who really cares?

I like iOS and also want an Android tab. I like MW3 but also plan on getting BF3. Doesn't have to be a one or the other situation.

(Way off topic, but if you put the word "an" before any word that starts with a vowel [an island] and "a" before a word that starts with a consonant [a shop], then why does "a" go before "one"? Or did I just fuck that one up?)

[Sense]

Why do they have no clue? They like the game, I don't get what your problem is with it.

It's pretty fun imo, not as good as battlefield but they're two completely different games.

Most of them are trying to bash BF3.. so yeah :wakeup

[Nathan Explosion]

Also, I never really addressed the noob tube issue. Look, it can be fun and useful. I've rooted out guys because of a noob tube, especially across the map at a spot you're almost positive they're hiding at. But I hate when you turn the corner, the guy is not facing your direction, you aim, lock on, pull the trigger, and get killed by a noob tube in the general direction of you.

I've even killed guys with headshots while they shot the ground a few feet from me, and they also get the kill. Which takes more skill really?

It can be fun, but most times is just annoying.

Now, I heard mention that in BF3 it takes strategy to win, and that one guy can't take out a room full of people. Yes and no. There is strategy required (especially in Rush) but, the first time I played on the PS3, I went up the stairs into a sniper spot, took out 2 guys on the way up, then took out 2 more guys in the room, killed two more guys hiding on the ground, then turned and killed another 2 guys trying to rush my position, before finally being taken out by a guy on the ground and another running up the stairs.

Let's recount that again. Me-8 guys killed single handedly. Them- 1 guy killed by two people.

It can be done and it wasn't that hard. And I'm new to BF3, so it's not like I have years of BF MP experience behind me.

[Heath Ledger]

Okay ive now played the console version and the pc version. Im digging the pc version much more. The console version im endlessly spawning and getting killed within 2 seconds of spawning i probably will sell my 360 copy for $55 total shipped if you want it its $59 plus tax otherwise ill use it as a cofee coaster.

[Tinystarz]

Why do you guys even take your time to try to bash MW3?

Like seriously..

[Heath Ledger]

its called giving our fucking opinion. welcome to America. Ive been a big fan of MW/COD this was the first time ive been disappointed in one of their games and first time Ive thought a BF game was better so excuse the fuck out of me.

[Cry Havoc]

Why do you guys even take your time to try to bash MW3?

Like seriously..

Why are you on a sports forum? You think anyone cares if you hate the Lakers? You think anyone gives a shit if you think Boozer should be used more on offense?

Why ever talk about anything on a forum when it's juts a stupid waste of time?

Tell you what, find me an internet forum with no debate and no dissenting opinion. Then it'll be all fairies and rainbows and unicorns. Would that be better for you?

[Tinystarz]

hit a nerve huh lol. Huff and puff go ahead everyone has 2 cents

[Cry Havoc]

hit a nerve huh lol. Huff and puff go ahead everyone has 2 cents

Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww they're bashing a game I like! How dare they! The meanie-heads!

:lol at asking why people on an internet forum give their opinion on something. FFS.

[Frenzy]

hit a nerve huh lol. Huff and puff go ahead everyone has 2 cents

No not here. Here...everyone is right. Duh

[Kyle Orton]

Definitely better than MW2 and black ops. There is still camping though but the maps are a lot smaller so close combat reduces most of it. It seems like you can't take many hits though so that is something to get used to. Overall, it went above my expectations and I'm actually able to enjoy it

[DisAsTerBot]

yo md let me know when you're on and lets run some mw3!!!

[Kyle Orton]

Hell yea bro, I'll be on tonight round like 10-1030

Run train on nigs

[Cry Havoc]

Definitely better than MW2 and black ops. There is still camping though but the maps are a lot smaller so close combat reduces most of it. It seems like you can't take many hits though so that is something to get used to. Overall, it went above my expectations and I'm actually able to enjoy it

:lmao

And this is progress.

Why not put 20 players in an 8x8 box and just let them fire away Shipment/Killhouse-style? That's how to advance the modern FPS. :lol

[Nathan Explosion]

Actually CH, he has a point. I hate having a position on BF3, getting killed, and then spawning what seems like a mile away and having to hoof it back to the point again. If you're squad gets taken out, you're screwed. Sometimes, having a small map can be fun and challenging to stay alive.

In fact, on MW2, Rust was my favorite map. You had to have your head on a swivel at all times. Frustrating and fun at the same time.

[scott]

COD isn't a game for hardcores. Just keep that in mind. They don't make it to be, so you shouldn't really be all that upset when it isn't (and you knew it wouldn't be) tbh

[4>0rings]

MW3 is constant action, and when killed being thrown right back in the action. BF3 has a lot more strategy involved, slower pace, and easing back into the action when spawned.

Pick what you like.

[Cry Havoc]

Actually CH, he has a point. I hate having a position on BF3, getting killed, and then spawning what seems like a mile away and having to hoof it back to the point again. If you're squad gets taken out, you're screwed. Sometimes, having a small map can be fun and challenging to stay alive.

In fact, on MW2, Rust was my favorite map. You had to have your head on a swivel at all times. Frustrating and fun at the same time.

It's teamplay vs. rambo dynamic. Personally I don't get why smaller maps are more fun. But that's just me.

[Heath Ledger]

Lol MW3 1.4 eat this fanboys

http://t.co/1GFxW00G

[Heath Ledger]

Wow my mw3 just crashed on the pc and look at the error epic fail. I wish I was kidding.
http://t.co/TM2QxgGU

[Cry Havoc]

Wow my mw3 just crashed on the pc and look at the error epic fail. I wish I was kidding.
http://t.co/TM2QxgGU

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Rip-Hamilton32]

so is this most expensive DLC ever?

I enjoy doing the spec ops survival, although all the maps online are too small you spawn in front of enemies far too often

[xellos88330]

The maps are getting smaller because of snipers. Lots of people bitch about snipers. One of the most common phrases I hear online is.... "FUCKING SNIPER!!!" I am worried now because my specialty is sniping. They have been steadily nerfing snipers and now they are going to contain snipers to smaller maps. If you want to make maps smaller, give the sniper better camoflauge or make the maps more vertical.

[Trill Clinton]

I love the game. I don't mind it being similar to MW2, the maps seem to be littered with unecessary items( buses, phone booths, mailboxes, etc) I miss the wide open maps from MW2. But that can be fixed as they roll out more map packs.

[ElNono]

Lol MW3 1.4 eat this fanboys

http://t.co/1GFxW00G

lol

[mingus]

looks like i'll be getting Battlefield 3 this year. COD just sucks now. BO sucks and from what i've read so far, this one would for me too. i read they made shotguns, noobtubes, snipers, & machineguns pointless. why'd they do that???? and also that the levels are all nuketown small...what the fuck are these guys smoking? they put the series in the toilet with BO and now i think they may've flushed it. time to find a another series.

[Frenzy]

looks like i'll be getting Battlefield 3 this year. COD just sucks now. BO sucks and from what i've read so far, this one would for me too. i read they made shotguns, noobtubes, snipers, & machineguns pointless. why'd they do that???? and also that the levels are all nuketown small...what the fuck are these guys smoking? they put the series in the toilet with BO and now i think they may've flushed it. time to find a another series.

Ok they can't be nuketown small..... :lol



If so ..wow. I don't understand why stick to just one map. Larger for when you feel like sniper and small when you wanna run and gun. I guess its so they can sell more add ons with map packs.

[Spurminator]

I'm brand new at this and I'm enjoying having my ass handed to me regularly by everyone in multiplayer.

[spyder]

This game sucks major balls..glad I borrowed it from my nephew..never again MW NEVER AGAIN

[Muser]

IW really can't win. People criticised the noobtubes and killstreaks being way too powerful, now when they make them less powerful people complain about them being too weak.

[DisAsTerBot]

doesnt matter what they do someones gonna bitch. This game rocks, it's got some small maps but some pretty large ones as well. Bitch away, nerds

[z0sa]

Ok they can't be nuketown small..... :lol

I don't think there's one map as small as nuketown. Maybe Dome. In fact, I'm pretty sure the maps are all mostly medium sized - no small nor large maps at all. I don't own the game but I've played it a lot already at my brother's - it's got the best netcoding yet, which makes for both rage and happiness depending on which end you're at.

[Kyle Orton]

doesnt matter what they do someones gonna bitch. This game rocks, it's got some small maps but some pretty large ones as well. Bitch away, nerds

My nlgga tellin it like it is. I saw u on brah but I'll hit you up sometime tonight

[DisAsTerBot]

cool man def hit me up

[Muser]

I don't think there's one map as small as nuketown. Maybe Dome. In fact, I'm pretty sure the maps are all mostly medium sized - no small nor large maps at all. I don't own the game but I've played it a lot already at my brother's - it's got the best netcoding yet, which makes for both rage and happiness depending on which end you're at.

Yeah, I think all the maps are pretty sweet except for overpass or whatever it's called.

[TheMACHINE]

Traded in my BF3 for MW3 yesterday and im so glad i did.

[Tinystarz]

Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww they're bashing a game I like! How dare they! The meanie-heads!

:lol at asking why people on an internet forum give their opinion on something. FFS.

Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww they're liking a game I don't ! How dare they! The meanie-heads!

same way :lol

Little animated. But ok I think you like Bf3 and not MW3 lol. I never said I like mw3 I haven't even played it yet tbh. Not gonna sit here and cry bout cry havoc. You almost have this passionate hate for MW3 as you do apple. Apple is gonna help mw4 :wow

[Frenzy]

Traded in my BF3 for MW3 yesterday and im so glad i did.

Why what didn't you like? I haven't played it..... just wondering.

[Cry Havoc]

IW really can't win. People criticised the noobtubes and killstreaks being way too powerful, now when they make them less powerful people complain about them being too weak.

I don't get that. Great players who get killstreaks... do they NEED bonuses to destroy entire servers? I used to regularly have a 2-4 K : D ratio on a competitive CS server without killstreaks. I would routinely have 40+ kills and ~10 deaths on CoD4 because a heli makes it so damn easy to just mow down people.


Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww they're liking a game I don't ! How dare they! The meanie-heads!

same way :lol

Little animated. But ok I think you like Bf3 and not MW3 lol. I never said I like mw3 I haven't even played it yet tbh. Not gonna sit here and cry bout cry havoc. You almost have this passionate hate for MW3 as you do apple. Apple is gonna help mw4 :wow

I don't hate Apple. I hate Apple fanboys who literally think that the company is perfect and has zero flaws. I wouldn't even say I hate them, I just pity their narrow, tinted view of the worship they have for material goods.

I dislike CoD these days because it's running on the same engine as CoD2 was for the most part and the gameplay hasn't particularly evolved since CoD4, and if anything it's gone backward. I didn't just one day wake up and decide to dislike the CoD series, it took a group of successive decisions for me to decide not to waste my time with the series anymore. It's nice that they're giving you a gameplay experience you enjoy, props to you. But the bottom line is that it's a dated style that is designed to make massive amounts of money without doing much else. Activision is much like the Madden franchise in the sense that they not only aren't that interested in improving, they're decidedly AGAINST making a better game for fear of alienating any of the $300,000,000 annual cash cow they have. When a company stops improving a game, there's a problem there, regardless of how many copies it sells. But by all means continue believing it's the greatest FPS in the history of gaming.

[Heath Ledger]

i just installed an aimbot for MW3. Muahhaaahaaaaaaa..... Pure pWnage. Fuck you Infinity Ward. Once again you give the PC gamers the shaft. This is my present back to you.

[Spurtacus]

Traded in my BF3 for MW3 yesterday and im so glad i did.

Enjoy your cookie cutter arcade shooter while I blow shit up in BF3.

[Spurtacus]

Actually CH, he has a point. I hate having a position on BF3, getting killed, and then spawning what seems like a mile away and having to hoof it back to the point again. If you're squad gets taken out, you're screwed. Sometimes, having a small map can be fun and challenging to stay alive.

In fact, on MW2, Rust was my favorite map. You had to have your head on a swivel at all times. Frustrating and fun at the same time.

You can play Team Deathmatch in BF3. Maps are considerably smaller. No vehicles.

[Cry Havoc]

You can play Team Deathmatch in BF3. Maps are considerably smaller. No vehicles.

To be honest, SHOULDN'T there be a negative condition for your entire squad dying? Otherwise, what's the point of being in a squad if not to encourage teamwork and reward players for staying together?

I've rarely had to run any appreciable distance from one point to another. Between jeeps, spawn points, and squad mates, I am 95% of the time able to get in the thick of the firefight within seconds of spawning.

[Muser]

I don't get that. Great players who get killstreaks... do they NEED bonuses to destroy entire servers? I used to regularly have a 2-4 K : D ratio on a competitive CS server without killstreaks. I would routinely have 40+ kills and ~10 deaths on CoD4 because a heli makes it so damn easy to just mow down people.




I agree with what you're saying, on MW3 once you get a predator missile the game may aswell just give you whatever other killstreaks you have lined up. That's why I play Barebones from now on. And BF3 obviously.

My post was aimed at people complaining the noobtube and shotguns have been weakened from MW2.

[Nathan Explosion]

What I find ironic is that CH is comparing COD to Madden, which is an EA game. IIRC, what company distributes BF again? :)

Second, I used the noob tune a bit in MW3 but only until I ranked up to get custom classes. I did notice it being a bit weaker, so that's nice.

Finally, my BF3 comment was about taking up a strategic position. I'm more of a run and gun player on MW3 but on BF I tend to set up camp a little more. It sucks when you set up shop, get killed and get spawned so far away. I don't trust vehicles because some people suck driving them.

[Cry Havoc]

What I find ironic is that CH is comparing COD to Madden, which is an EA game. IIRC, what company distributes BF again? :)

Indeed, it is ironic. I'm obviously no fan of EA. I'll still buy from them if they make a great game. And DICE is a fantastic developer.


Finally, my BF3 comment was about taking up a strategic position. I'm more of a run and gun player on MW3 but on BF I tend to set up camp a little more. It sucks when you set up shop, get killed and get spawned so far away. I don't trust vehicles because some people suck driving them.

Still, if you spawn far away there's usually a vehicle. And even if you don't, there's almost always another control point you can spawn to.

[SourCandy]

Apple is gonna help mw4 :wow

Great! finally! :p:


But tbh I think that's why I kinda liked Black ops it was pretty much the first fps game I played since...oh god don't know when. It was simple to learn and play. I think that's the way mw3 was or is gonna be. Bf3 looks great obviously it just looks massive. The menu looked hard to understand lol. Lame I know. Practice makes perfect I guess. Just I hear bf3 is all team work and I don't want to make other teams suck. Black ops and mw3 just seem so "me me me" So if i suck I suck alone and don't have to worry about bringing down my team. I guess that comes with being a noob. Does bf3 have a practice zone :lol

Tiny when you get it lend it to me yes? Frenzy I see you down there...how about you lend it to me :lol

[z0sa]

Well; the game's definitely better than BO and MW2. But only marginally - you can now shoot people on-line without a 10 ping is the biggest difference.

Skipping it for Skyrim.

[Frenzy]

Great! finally! :p:


But tbh I think that's why I kinda liked Black ops it was pretty much the first fps game I played since...oh god don't know when. It was simple to learn and play. I think that's the way mw3 was or is gonna be. Bf3 looks great obviously it just looks massive. The menu looked hard to understand lol. Lame I know. Practice makes perfect I guess. Just I hear bf3 is all team work and I don't want to make other teams suck. Black ops and mw3 just seem so "me me me" So if i suck I suck alone and don't have to worry about bringing down my team. I guess that comes with being a noob. Does bf3 have a practice zone :lol

Tiny when you get it lend it to me yes? Frenzy I see you down there...how about you lend it to me :lol

Don't have either tbh. You can borrow the one I borrow :lol

Holding out for the other game 11-11-11. Need a break from shooters of that kind anyway. Tiny is the baller.

[Heath Ledger]

This MW3 aimbot is insane. Had a game where i was 72-4. Sometimes i turn the aimbot off and just use the enemy detection markers so i can hunt players down its a lot less obvious that im hacking. $20 well spent.

[midnightpulp]

Fun game, enjoying it thus far. The Call of Duty series at this point is really more about the social experience than the game itself. It's the videogame equivalent of going to the bar, specifically the bar that has torn up pool tables, a shitty selection of beer, and where all the busted up looking chicks hang out. It's not the best bar in town, not even close, but the place is still a hell of a lot of fun to go to because you know all your friends are going to be there.

In terms of gameplay and graphics, it's light years behind Battlefield 3 on the PC, but I ain't regretting the 60.00 I spent.

[Sense]

Fun game, enjoying it thus far. The Call of Duty series at this point is really more about the social experience than the game itself. It's the videogame equivalent of going to the bar, specifically the bar that has torn up pool tables, a shitty selection of beer, and where all the busted up looking chicks hang out. It's not the best bar in town, not even close, but the place is still a hell of a lot of fun to go to because you know all your friends are going to be there.

In terms of gameplay and graphics, it's light years behind Battlefield 3 on the PC, but I ain't regretting the 60.00 I spent.

You just summed it up.

[Nathan Explosion]

Great! finally! :p:


But tbh I think that's why I kinda liked Black ops it was pretty much the first fps game I played since...oh god don't know when. It was simple to learn and play. I think that's the way mw3 was or is gonna be. Bf3 looks great obviously it just looks massive. The menu looked hard to understand lol. Lame I know. Practice makes perfect I guess. Just I hear bf3 is all team work and I don't want to make other teams suck. Black ops and mw3 just seem so "me me me" So if i suck I suck alone and don't have to worry about bringing down my team. I guess that comes with being a noob. Does bf3 have a practice zone :lol

I like BF3, but yes the menu does indeed suck. And I hate trying to get out of a game when you're done playing. You have to wait for the game to start instead of just backing out of the lobby. Not very intuitive at all. I know it's nitpicking, but it's still an oversight.

As for being a noob in COD, people will bitch either way. There is some teamwork involved in games like domination and capture the flag.

I'm liking the survival mode too. My friend and I were playing, and he went off to do something, and I kept using him as bait to take out the enemy. It was pretty fun, even though we really didn't get to get too far into it.

I beat the story mode already, and while the story was short imo (which is saying something) it was action packed. A bit of a let down in some missions, but other missions were pretty solid.

But what do you expect when half of your creative team gets fired/quits and you have a story to finish.

[scott]

I don't get that. Great players who get killstreaks... do they NEED bonuses to destroy entire servers? I used to regularly have a 2-4 K : D ratio on a competitive CS server without killstreaks. I would routinely have 40+ kills and ~10 deaths on CoD4 because a heli makes it so damn easy to just mow down people.



Play barebones tbqh

[scott]

This MW3 aimbot is insane. Had a game where i was 72-4. Sometimes i turn the aimbot off and just use the enemy detection markers so i can hunt players down its a lot less obvious that im hacking. $20 well spent.

You're happy you spent $20 on a cheat that makes the game boring?

[Heath Ledger]

Oh its far from boring i havent had this much fun in years playing video games. And its actually helped improve my game when im not using it as well.

[scott]

Oh its far from boring i havent had this much fun in years playing video games. And its actually helped improve my game when im not using it as well.

In that case, carry on. :)

[4>0rings]

Rehashed MW2, yay!

[Cry Havoc]

I like BF3, but yes the menu does indeed suck. And I hate trying to get out of a game when you're done playing. You have to wait for the game to start instead of just backing out of the lobby. Not very intuitive at all. I know it's nitpicking, but it's still an oversight.

I actually really like the browser. It's fast, loads really quickly, and is eminently customizable.


As for being a noob in COD, people will bitch either way. There is some teamwork involved in games like domination and capture the flag.

What? I used to wreck entire servers by myself in TDM. Snipe a couple of kills with M16/Acog, run to the side of the map, and mow down people in the crossfire with a 90 degree angle of attack. Capture the flag only requires teamwork because people nade/tube spam the point so you're going to die if you're the first one to try capping.

[slick'81]

liked the maps on mw2 and ops havent gotten used to mw3's yet.Loved zombies on ops and liking the spec ops on mw3.The confirm kill setting on multi player is a nice change up

[Heath Ledger]

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/650996891988313985/754606F5B4CC09A42960B73C880C2A0A9FAD7E04/

Good times.

[DMC]

I have MW3 for PS3. It's basically the same maps as MW2, with more debris and random junk. The enemy seems to almost always need a few rounds to kill, they aren't "disabled" by a shot to the chest like you think they would be. They lay there a while and get back up like nothing happened. Then again, I do the same so it's a wash.

They've totally and completely worn out the out of focus fade in where someone more capable is already up and about and helps you out. They also have worn out the double cross angle. Every mission fails somehow and you have to salvage what you can, and I find it amusing that a rag tag group of rebels have a better ops success rate and get everywhere before the world's elite forces.

Oh, and you have to kill 70 - 80 people in most missions. I like that part just fine, and they seem to keep coming.

There are some co-ops where you have to survive wave after wave of attackers and you get perks along the way. You can play solo but it's not fun after a couple waves.

I haven't played online and won't for the reasons made obvious in most of these gaming threads: too many turds making it about them.

[Nathan Explosion]

What? I used to wreck entire servers by myself in TDM. Snipe a couple of kills with M16/Acog, run to the side of the map, and mow down people in the crossfire with a 90 degree angle of attack. Capture the flag only requires teamwork because people nade/tube spam the point so you're going to die if you're the first one to try capping.

Like I said, if you want teamwork, you're better off playing domination or capture the flag. One man can kick some ass on TDM, as you pointed out. So, where's the argument again?

[Cry Havoc]

Like I said, if you want teamwork, you're better off playing domination or capture the flag. One man can kick some ass on TDM, as you pointed out. So, where's the argument again?

My point is that even domination and capture the flag don't involve much teamwork. Running into a room and spraying people with M4/MP5 often gets you 2-3 kills without even blinking.

[Nathan Explosion]

My point is that even domination and capture the flag don't involve much teamwork. Running into a room and spraying people with M4/MP5 often gets you 2-3 kills without even blinking.

The point of domination is to capture positions, not see how many kills you can get. It takes teamwork to capture and defend those positions. Hell, I never have a positive K/D ratio because I always rush on Domination. Even if we have 2 positions I rush the third because it keeps the enemy back to defend, which reduces their attack on our other position. On a good team, this always works because the other members understand that and stay back and defend. On a bad team, they'll follow.

[Cry Havoc]

The point of domination is to capture positions, not see how many kills you can get. It takes teamwork to capture and defend those positions. Hell, I never have a positive K/D ratio because I always rush on Domination. Even if we have 2 positions I rush the third because it keeps the enemy back to defend, which reduces their attack on our other position. On a good team, this always works because the other members understand that and stay back and defend. On a bad team, they'll follow.

Hard to cap positions when I just killed half your team. Maps are small, hiding spots are fairly scarce, and once you learn them the campers just die. No strategy at all or thought to how you have to approach an enemy's position.

[ynh]

If you are playing against a group of people that are playing as a team and talking you will get your ass raped. The idea that team work is absent in MW3 is bullshit. Is it required? No.. just as with BF3 I can not give a shit about working together and play on my own.. and as far as BF3, at least the console version, maybe 10 percent of the time you have squad people on mics.. so the only team work you have is someone pressing right on the D-pad and throwing down ammo or health.. every now and again someone runs up and fixes a tank or something. But the idea that you have to work as a team to win in BF3 is as true as in any COD.. if you are playing against people working as a team yeah you have to.. but I'm tired of BF3 fanboys thinking everyone on their game plays as a team.. if that is true why is it half the damn team is sitting on a rock in the back sniping?

So yeah.. try killing half the team when you have a clan working together in MW3.. you'll get your ass raped.

[ynh]

Go play Kill Confirmed against a clan that is running two people together for every person on their team.. Tell me how many tags you actually pick up. Like I said.. both games you can play sole or as team.. both games I've won working as a team or solo.. and both you'll get your ass raped working solo against people working as a team.

[Frenzy]

Go play Kill Confirmed against a clan that is running two people together for every person on their team.. Tell me how many tags you actually pick up. Like I said.. both games you can play sole or as team.. both games I've won working as a team or solo.. and both you'll get your ass raped working solo against people working as a team.

Is the kill confirmed optional or is it required? I can imagine it being a pain in the ass having to go back and confirm knowing there is most likely teammates around. How long does it take to confirm? Is it just walking over it or holding a button down or something?

[Heath Ledger]

Is the kill confirmed optional or is it required? I can imagine it being a pain in the ass having to go back and confirm knowing there is most likely teammates around. How long does it take to confirm? Is it just walking over it or holding a button down or something?

When u kill an enemy he leaves dog tags(gold) you have to collect them to "confirm" your kill. You can deny an enemies kill
By collecting a teammates dogtags (red)

[Kyle Orton]

It's a game type tbh. Just like tdm except to get points you just have to walk over their dog tags.

[Nathan Explosion]

If you are playing against a group of people that are playing as a team and talking you will get your ass raped. The idea that team work is absent in MW3 is bullshit. Is it required? No.. just as with BF3 I can not give a shit about working together and play on my own.. and as far as BF3, at least the console version, maybe 10 percent of the time you have squad people on mics.. so the only team work you have is someone pressing right on the D-pad and throwing down ammo or health.. every now and again someone runs up and fixes a tank or something. But the idea that you have to work as a team to win in BF3 is as true as in any COD.. if you are playing against people working as a team yeah you have to.. but I'm tired of BF3 fanboys thinking everyone on their game plays as a team.. if that is true why is it half the damn team is sitting on a rock in the back sniping?

So yeah.. try killing half the team when you have a clan working together in MW3.. you'll get your ass raped.

TDM on BF3 is a free for all too. Rush takes teamwork, but death match is just going solo and killing everyone in sight. I've seen my younger brother just tear it up by himself, much like one would do in MW3.

[DisAsTerBot]

If you are playing against a group of people that are playing as a team and talking you will get your ass raped. The idea that team work is absent in MW3 is bullshit. Is it required? No.. just as with BF3 I can not give a shit about working together and play on my own.. and as far as BF3, at least the console version, maybe 10 percent of the time you have squad people on mics.. so the only team work you have is someone pressing right on the D-pad and throwing down ammo or health.. every now and again someone runs up and fixes a tank or something. But the idea that you have to work as a team to win in BF3 is as true as in any COD.. if you are playing against people working as a team yeah you have to.. but I'm tired of BF3 fanboys thinking everyone on their game plays as a team.. if that is true why is it half the damn team is sitting on a rock in the back sniping?

So yeah.. try killing half the team when you have a clan working together in MW3.. you'll get your ass raped.

qft

[leemajors]

My point is that even domination and capture the flag don't involve much teamwork. Running into a room and spraying people with M4/MP5 often gets you 2-3 kills without even blinking.

sounds like some incredibly shitty maps.

[DMC]

The point of domination is to capture positions, not see how many kills you can get. It takes teamwork to capture and defend those positions. Hell, I never have a positive K/D ratio because I always rush on Domination. Even if we have 2 positions I rush the third because it keeps the enemy back to defend, which reduces their attack on our other position. On a good team, this always works because the other members understand that and stay back and defend. On a bad team, they'll follow.
I've been playing FPS games online for years until recently. It doesn't matter which game style you are playing, a good number of those on the server are playing death match. So you're in a CTF, someone is just racking up kills. Seek and Destroy, racking up kills, Domination, racking up kills.

There was a custom game made from one of the older FP shooters that you had to march through several different territories, each on a different map, to get to the opponent's main city. There were maybe 10 or 15 different maps before you progressed, and it was all search and destroy. So guys were attacking and you were attacking them, but they could beat you one of the maps and you would move back your way, then you win one and you're back their way and that could go on for days. People would log off and new people get on and it's still going. Sometimes so many would drop off of one team that it was a cake walk, but once you got there it was just a victory parade scene with the enemy in a prison watching your armor roll through.

Then it started over in the middle.

Those games were fun and you could just be a killer, but you would lose and your points are not collected at the end of games.

So that was long before the coolness of these games.

I've always like BF series, but MW is great too.

[Heath Ledger]

I got banned for hacking mw3 on pc today. :) it was fun while it lasted but i bought a new key for $28.95 this time arround ill be a lot less arrogant and just use the enemy radar/esp so i can see enememies coming and still own the server without the aimbot/auto headshots.

[Heath Ledger]

And Im taking my copy back to best buy to get exchange it for a new key on stand by. :)

[scott]

You could just figure out to be good at games without cheating like a bitch, tbqh

[Kyle Orton]

:cry but it's fun to be good without actually being good! :cry

[Heath Ledger]

There's a saying if you can beat those fucking hackers join 'em.
Infinity Ward shits on pc gamers and its a way of hopefully making them get off their ass to create something like punkbuster to stop the rampant cheaters. Thats why I left pc gaming years ago.

[Frenzy]

:cry but it's fun to be good without actually being good! :cry

It is for a while then it gets old. Or you play some one who is actually better then you and they use the hack too :lol

[Heath Ledger]

Another hacker has only beaten me once. And it was in gun game.

[DisAsTerBot]

There's a saying if you can beat those fucking hackers join 'em.
Infinity Ward shits on pc gamers and its a way of hopefully making them get off their ass to create something like punkbuster to stop the rampant cheaters. Thats why I left pc gaming years ago.

:cry i only do it cause i hate it :cry

[Nathan Explosion]

I finally bought the game (I previously rented it at a Redbox to try it out) today. Went to Gamestop, traded in some games, paid the difference and was ready to go. At least that was the plan. I took my kids and ended up spending over $70 on 2 games and a pink Yoshi plush.

:lol

Was playing some MP today as I played more of the campaign when I rented it. Like Kill Confirm. When it's played right, there is actually, GASP, some teamwork involved in getting the kill and collecting dog tags. You have to have someone (or be the someone) watch your back when getting a dog tag, because sometimes the opponent is running in packs or sometimes someone is using the dog tag as a trap.

I played with some noobs today and kept getting killed because they kept jumping in front of me when I saw the enemy, blocking my line of sight and then dying. And since I was directly behind them (not my fault) I kept dying with the new player.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm really enjoying the campaign. WAY better than BF3's campaign.

[DMC]

I got banned for hacking mw3 on pc today. :) it was fun while it lasted but i bought a new key for $28.95 this time arround ill be a lot less arrogant and just use the enemy radar/esp so i can see enememies coming and still own the server without the aimbot/auto headshots.
lol part of the 1600.

You basically just paid 30.00 for a few days of higher scores online.

:lmao

You will get your ass raped now.

But you will start cheating again. Cheaters never quit cheating, they just go more covert about it. The game won't even be fun for you now, because your score won't be nearly as "awesome" as it was.

It's amusing you use your business name as your alias while cheating, makes me want to trust you with my information and money.

[Nathan Explosion]

I'm really enjoying the campaign. WAY better than BF3's campaign.

I'm surprised because I was actually a bit disappointed with the campaign. I liked it, but wasn't in love with it.

But the one thing I do have with the Modern Warfare games is that there's always a few missions that I remember and love and will replay. On this one, the first one that comes to mind is the airplane mission with the Russian president.

I didn't have that with Black Ops.

[MannyIsGod]

BF3 campaign is simply terrible. Enjoyed a couple of missions but as a whole it was really bad.

[Heath Ledger]

The pc version is pretty much ruined. Hackers in every single game i played yesterday. One guy was using a glitch to do unlimited airstrikes the entire game.

[MannyIsGod]

Spec ops is fun too. Not going to lie, as much as I love BF3 multiplayer I'd probably buy MW3 if I had to do it all over again. Red box in order to finish single player is a great deal, though.

[Heath Ledger]

Ya i was impressed with Spec Ops I didnt even know about it until last night. I only played it solo.

[Nathan Explosion]

Spec ops is fun too. Not going to lie, as much as I love BF3 multiplayer I'd probably buy MW3 if I had to do it all over again. Red box in order to finish single player is a great deal, though.

Yeah, I used Redbox to play the campaign. I bought the game to play online and spec ops.

[Frenzy]

Activision: ‘Modern Warfare 3′ is the fastest to $1 billion

Game publisher Activision Blizzard announced on Monday that Modern Warfare 3, the latest entry in their blockbuster shooter series, topped $1 billion in worldwide sales a record 16 days after its release on November 8th. That beats the previous record holder, James Cameron's 2009 3D film "Avatar", which took 17 days to reach the mark.





http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/activision-modern-warfare-3-fastest-1-billion-130949515.html

Hate it all you want but dam... :wow

[4>0rings]

I gave up on CoD after BO's, just refleshed same ol' same ol'.

[Trainwreck2100]

I gave up on CoD after BO's, just refleshed same ol' same ol'.

they'll keep doing the same ol same ol till somebody makes the next COD4. And re-revolutionizes the industry.