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ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 11:02 AM
Dirk went 12-15 (80%) with various great and solid defenders thrown at him (Ibaka, Collison, Sefalosha). He shot perfectly at the line.

Dude shot 39 times and missed THRICE!!! and this is against a pretty good defensive team.


Kobe's 62 is also impressive. He outscored the whole Mavs in 3 quarters.


Which peromance is much more impressive?

Killakobe81
05-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Shooting wise it was Dirk.

Dominating, Kobe.

dirk was more efficient though. And my guess someone will duplicate Kobes' before someone duplicates dirk ...so tough question.

InRareForm
05-18-2011, 11:04 AM
How many shots did Kobe take?

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 11:08 AM
how many shots did kobe take?
18-31 fg

22-25 ft

Nick Manning
05-18-2011, 11:10 AM
You're comparing a playoff game to a regular season game.

That being said, "62" was the most ridiculous scoring dominance I have ever witnessed. Much better than 81 imo

stretch
05-18-2011, 11:12 AM
you're comparing a playoff game to a regular season game.

That being said, "62" was the most ridiculous scoring dominance i have ever witnessed. Much better than 81 imo

+1

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 11:31 AM
62 was insane...wonder what his total would have been if they didnt sit him. It also came with a bunch of double teams if i recalled.

Though Dirk was very efficient and came in the WCF.

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 11:34 AM
62 was insane...wonder what his total would have been if they didnt sit him. It also came with a bunch of double teams if i recalled.

Though Dirk was very efficient and came in the WCF.
He'd end up with 70'ish.

lefty
05-18-2011, 11:36 AM
You're comparing a playoff game to a regular season game.

That being said, "62" was the most ridiculous scoring dominance I have ever witnessed. Much better than 81 imo
I agree

He did it vs a good team, on the road

GoodOdor
05-18-2011, 11:38 AM
Playoff>Regular season game.

Nick Manning
05-18-2011, 11:39 AM
I agree

He did it vs a good team, on the road

It was at Staples iirc. Regardless, it was a necessity to score with Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, and Smush parker in the starting line-up.

Killakobe81
05-18-2011, 12:00 PM
No that was in Dallas the one at the AAC, IIRC. The one at Staples was the epic comeback game, when Dallas was up 20+ and Lakers came back. kobe had a great game but nothing epic. like Dirk's or 60 in 3 quarters ....

Dirk had a great game in that game as well ...

Nick Manning
05-18-2011, 12:02 PM
No that was in Dallas the one at the AAC, IIRC. The one at Staples was the epic comeback game, when Dallas was up 20+ and Lakers came back. kobe had a great game but nothing epic. like Dirk's or 60 in 3 quarters ....

Dirk had a great game in that game as well ...

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Staples.

cheguevara
05-18-2011, 12:03 PM
Shooting wise it was Dirk.

Ball hogging, Kobe.


fixed it for lakerfan

picc84
05-18-2011, 12:05 PM
The game in Dallas from that year was the one where he fumbled the ball near the sideline and hit the crazy 3 at the end.

Killakobe81
05-18-2011, 12:08 PM
0r7bd9NM4Ts

Staples.

oops my bad ... I guess I was wrong. But like i said IIRC ...I must of confused the two ...

Killakobe81
05-18-2011, 12:11 PM
man, what a bad Lakers team that was ...LOL

BlackSwordsMan
05-18-2011, 12:15 PM
Kobe's 36

Giuseppe
05-18-2011, 12:20 PM
8

BlackSwordsMan
05-18-2011, 12:23 PM
8 was a team collective kobe can never live down the skunker!!!

picc84
05-18-2011, 12:23 PM
Kobe's 36

Agreed, that was a great game.

jyfR2pDOt3k

BlackSwordsMan
05-18-2011, 12:26 PM
84 don't embarrass me again.

Giuseppe
05-18-2011, 12:55 PM
8 was a team collective kobe can never live down the skunker!!!

The Skunker!!!!

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 01:03 PM
Agreed, that was a great game.

jyfR2pDOt3k

:toast

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 01:04 PM
oops my bad ... I guess I was wrong. But like i said IIRC ...I must of confused the two ...

you must be thinking about the game in Dallas where Kobe and company came back from 30 points in the 4th.

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 01:05 PM
Not a bad performance from a sidekick tbh.

Bito Corleone
05-18-2011, 01:09 PM
The Skunker!!!!
The Skunker

Nick Manning
05-18-2011, 01:09 PM
you must be thinking about the game in Dallas where Kobe and company came back from 30 points in the 4th.

That was also in Staples...

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 01:22 PM
That was also in Staples...
Laker fans don't know shit about their team :lol

Amaso
05-18-2011, 01:25 PM
Kobe's was far more impressive, more points in a less amount of time. Kobe didn't play a single second of the 4th quarter of that game where he scored 62 pts, Phil took him out at the end of the 3rd.

Kobe had 62 points to the Mavs 61 :lol

024
05-18-2011, 02:38 PM
if dirk had 31 shot attempts in his game, he would have had 60+ as well.

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 03:21 PM
if dirk had 31 shot attempts in his game, he would have had 60+ as well.

but would have done it in 4 quarters

lefty
05-18-2011, 03:23 PM
oops my bad ... I guess I was wrong. But like i said IIRC ...I must of confused the two ...
Shit I thought it was in Dallas too :lol

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 03:27 PM
you guys are right

HFOKW5A5_GA

picc84
05-18-2011, 03:46 PM
if dirk had 31 shot attempts in his game, he would have had 60+ as well.

He attempted a shitload of shots. Fouls were called on most of them.

foul call = shot attempt wiped away

dunkman
05-18-2011, 03:50 PM
He attempted a shitload of shots. Fouls were called on most of them.

foul call = shot attempt wiped away

No, the FGA is still accounted despite the foul. That's why the FG% tells half true without FT's.

Giuseppe
05-18-2011, 03:51 PM
The Skunker

The Skunker!!!

Ghazi
05-18-2011, 03:51 PM
"Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

-Dirk Nowitzi, 5/4/11, Staples Center

picc84
05-18-2011, 03:53 PM
Only if the basket is made.

Either way, its disingenuous to say that Dirk only tried to score 15 times. He attempted to score almost every time he got the ball, and foul shots don't change that. Had the Thunder been able to guard him without fouling, and ostensibly had the refs not turned him into DWhistle, he would have had at least 25 shot attempts.

dunkman
05-18-2011, 03:59 PM
The Skunker!!!

When Kobe leads a team it gets skunked extremely often. His 4 HOF's team in the 2004 finals, then one of the pre-Gasol brief first round fodder series against the Suns, and now tragically sans Gasol in all-star form 2011 WCSF against Dallas despite being favorites to win it all . . .

One of the best Robin's in modern era, but lacks BB IQ to be the Batman.

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 04:10 PM
When Kobe leads a team it gets skunked extremely often. His 4 HOF's team in the 2004 finals, then one of the pre-Gasol brief first round fodder series against the Suns, and now tragically sans Gasol in all-star form 2011 WCSF against Dallas despite being favorites to win it all . . .

One of the best Robin's in modern era, but lacks BB IQ to be the Batman.
Kobe's a smart player. You don't win 5 championships and reach 7 NBA Finals if you lack IQ. He was also pretty good either as a 1st scoring option or a distributor on all championship teams. That tells me Kobe knows the ins and outs of a basketball game. And he was also a very good defender during those 3 peat years.


What Kobe lacked however is killer instinct and leadership. He's pretty good closing out games in the regular season but come playoff time especially in the NBA finals or elimination games, he disappears. Kobe also doesn't have the same leadership of guys like Jordan, Bird and Magic to name a few.

Game 2 & 6 of the 2008 NBA Finals
Game 5 of the 2004 NBA Finals
Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals
Game 7 of the 2006 NBA Playoffs against the Suns
Games 3 & 4 of the 2011 NBA Playoffs against the Mavs

All of these are crucial games for the Lakers and Kobe did nothing to pull or motivate his team away from embarassment, humiliation or defeat.

Giuseppe
05-18-2011, 04:23 PM
When Kobe leads a team it gets skunked extremely often. His 4 HOF's team in the 2004 finals, then one of the pre-Gasol brief first round fodder series against the Suns, and now tragically sans Gasol in all-star form 2011 WCSF against Dallas despite being favorites to win it all . . .

One of the best Robin's in modern era, but lacks BB IQ to be the Batman.

Yet:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

TheNextGen
05-18-2011, 04:51 PM
Game 2 & 6 of the 2008 NBA Finals
Game 5 of the 2004 NBA Finals
Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals
Game 7 of the 2006 NBA Playoffs against the Suns
Games 3 & 4 of the 2011 NBA Playoffs against the Mavs

All of these are crucial games for the Lakers and Kobe did nothing to pull or motivate his team away from embarassment, humiliation or defeat.

LOL mentioning 7 playoff games out of 208 playoff games that Kobe has played to try to prove he doesnt have leadership or a killer instict.

:lmao

GTFO

LnGrrrR
05-18-2011, 05:06 PM
That being said, "62" was the most ridiculous scoring dominance I have ever witnessed. Much better than 81 imo

This. If he hadn't sat in the fourth, I fully believed he could've gone off for 85 or so.

dunkman
05-18-2011, 05:07 PM
Yet:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Kobe
As batman:
3 skunkers, 2 championships (questionable if batman in 2010)
As robin:
1 skunker, 3 championships

Duncan
As batman:
only 2 skunkers, 4 championships

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 05:39 PM
LOL mentioning 7 playoff games out of 208 playoff games that Kobe has played to try to prove he doesnt have leadership or a killer instict.

:lmao

GTFO
What a stupid logic. A players legacy is defined on games where it mattered the most. I don't care if Kobe scored 50 points against Raja Bell in Game 4. He skunked in the second half of Game 7 in the same series.

Magic had a memorable NBA Finals performance as a rookie replacing Kareem. Isiah scored 25 points in the third quarter on a sprained ankle in Game 6 of the 88 Finals. Jordan averaged 40 PPG against the Suns, he drilled 6, 3 pointers against the Blazer in one half, dropped 38 points, 7 rebounds with the flu in Utah and ultimately finished the Jazz with "The Last Shot" with 45 points.


Kobe has none of those in his resume. He benefited playing with a great supporting cast that pulled the Lakers from defeat. Fisher saved the Lakers quite a few times in 2009, Artest in 2010. And we all know Shaq dominated the prior 3 championships. Kobe had one chance to showcase his greatness last year but instead he gave the world 6/24.


What I'm simply trying to say is Kobe historically doesn't fare well in games with importance. The one that stood out the most was Kobe's performance against the Magic in Game 5 of the 2009 NBA Finals and even that was mediocre in comparison to Greatest NBA Finals performances.

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Kobe
As batman:
3 skunkers, 2 championships (questionable if batman in 2010)
As robin:
1 skunker, 3 championships

Duncan
As batman:
only 2 skunkers, 4 championships

lol 4 championships as batman...let me see the 4 Finals MVP trophys

TheNextGen
05-18-2011, 05:45 PM
What a stupid logic. A players legacy is defined on games where it mattered the most. I don't care if Kobe scored 50 points against Raja Bell in Game 4. He skunked in the second half of Game 7 in the same series.

Magic had a memorable NBA Finals performance as a rookie replacing Kareem. Isiah scored 25 points in the third quarter on a sprained ankle in Game 6 of the 88 Finals. Jordan averaged 40 PPG against the Suns, he drilled 6, 3 pointers against the Blazer in one half, dropped 38 points, 7 rebounds with the flu in Utah and ultimately finished the Jazz with "The Last Shot" with 45 points.


Kobe has none of those in his resume. He benefited playing with a great supporting cast that pulled the Lakers from defeat. Fisher saved the Lakers quite a few times in 2009, Artest in 2010. And we all know Shaq dominated the prior 3 championships. Kobe had one chance to showcase his greatness last year but instead he gave the world 6/24.


What I'm simply trying to say is Kobe historically doesn't fare well in games with importance. The one that stood out the most was Kobe's performance against the Magic in Game 5 of the 2009 NBA Finals and even that was mediocre in comparison to Greatest NBA Finals performances.

Your logic is stupid. All this typing...but didnt mention the countless games that was important that he did win and do good and didnt mention all the times Magic and Bird failed.

Bias troll is bias. Mention the goods of the people you're comparing and mention the bads of Kobe. Great logic there son.

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 05:47 PM
Your logic is stupid. All this typing...but didnt mention the countless games that was important that he did win and do good and didnt mention all the times Magic and Bird failed.

Bias troll is bias. Mention the goods of the people you're comparing and mention the bads of Kobe. Great logic there son.
Give me some good ones off the top of your head.

Giuseppe
05-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Kobe
As batman:
3 skunkers, 2 championships (questionable if batman in 2010)
As robin:
1 skunker, 3 championships

Duncan
As batman:
only 2 skunkers, 4 championships

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Why does one have to have an extraordinary game to show leadership and a killer instinct? Isnt winning 5 rings being batman or Robin good enough?

DMC
05-18-2011, 05:54 PM
If you shoot the ball every time you get it, you are bound to have one of those nights.

TheNextGen
05-18-2011, 05:55 PM
Give me some good ones off the top of your head.

Game Four of the 2000 NBA Finals
Game One 2009 Finals
Game Four 2009 against the Jazz
Game 6 against the Suns
Game 7 2000 WCF

Now if you say, "those arent elimination games so it dont count"...then i say thats when your logic is dumb.

DMC
05-18-2011, 05:55 PM
The Skunker
The Skunker™ was re-released this year on Blu-Ray.

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 05:56 PM
Why does one have to have an extraordinary game to show leadership and a killer instinct? Isnt winning 5 rings being batman or Robin good enough?
Its good enough to be considered a great player but never enough to cement a players status among the All Time Greats.

There's a reason why players like Shaq, MJ, Jordan, Bird, Russell, Duncan & Kareem no matter what happens are safe in the Top 10 list.


Kobe's a Top 10 now but can you say with certainty that he'll always be there 10-15 years from now? No, because Kobe, as great as he is never had a memorable performance in the biggest stage of his career.

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Its good enough to be considered a great player but never enough to cement a players status among the All Time Greats.

There's a reason why players like Shaq, MJ, Jordan, Bird, Russell, Duncan & Kareem no matter what happens are safe in the Top 10 list.


Kobe's a Top 10 now but can you say with certainty that he'll always be there 10-15 years from now? No, because Kobe, as great as he is never had a memorable performance in the biggest stage of his career.

ok whatever...i aint gonna waste my time trying to get trolled. If thats YOUR criteria, so be it.

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 05:59 PM
Game Four of the 2000 NBA Finals
Game One 2009 Finals- Game 1, its not how you start but how you finish but I did give Kobe credit in this series as I stated earlier
Game Four 2009 against the Jazz-ROUND 1 :lol
Game 6 against the Suns- Lakers were Eliminated, skunked the next game :lol
Game 7 2000 WCF- SHAQ

Now if you say, "those arent elimination games so it dont count"...then i say thats when your logic is dumb.

:rolleyes

Giuseppe
05-18-2011, 06:14 PM
The Skunker™ was re-released this year on Blu-Ray.

The Skunker!!!

namlook
05-18-2011, 06:20 PM
Kobe's a Top 10 now but can you say with certainty that he'll always be there 10-15 years from now? No, because Kobe, as great as he is never had a memorable performance in the biggest stage of his career.

So misguided and shallow. Several examples off the top of my head in which Kobe was the key to success
against the toughest teams the Lakers faced in their early championship runs.

In Game 7 of the 2000 WCF against the Blazers Kobe was the MVP of that game with a tremendous all around performance 25/11/7 and guarding Pippen into a 3-10 shooting performance in what was the real NBA finals. Blazers > Pacers that year.

Kobe dominated a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2001 and was the MVP of that series in what was again the real NBA finals . Spurs > 76ers that year.

In 2002 the Lakers/Kings WCF was the real NBA finals. Kings > Nets that year. In game 7 Kobe put up 30/10/7.

Yeah Kobe never played well when it mattered. :lol

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 06:38 PM
Dont even bother namlook. CR wants a scenario in which the team is sucking and Kobe needs to take the load. And it only counts if it occurs in a Game 7 or in elimination game in the Finals. It also doesnt matter if he took over every other game, but has to only occur in those scenarios stated. It also doesnt matter if his team wins elimination games or wins championships like Kobe does.

Kobe has never done that, therefore he does not have leadership and killer instincts.

i know i know..its dumb...but then again its CR.

namlook
05-18-2011, 06:42 PM
Dont even bother namlook. CR wants a scenario in which the team is sucking and Kobe needs to take the load. And it only counts if it occurs in a Game 7 or in elimination game in the Finals. It also doesnt matter if he took over every other game, but has to only occur in those scenarios stated. It also doesnt matter if his team wins elimination games or wins championships like Kobe does.

Kobe has never done that, therefore he does not have leadership and killer instincts.

i know i know..its dumb...but then again its CR.

LOL. You can't just pick a few games and not look at the whole picture. That's just idiotic.

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 06:44 PM
So wrong and shallow. Just two examples off the top of my head in which Kobe was the key to success
against the toughest teams the Lakers faced in their early championship runs.

In Game 7 of the 2000 WCF against the Blazers Kobe was the MVP of that game with a tremendous all around performance, again in what was the real NBA finals. Blazers > Pacers that year.

Kobe dominated a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2001 and was the MVP of that series in what was in effect the real NBA finals . Spurs > 76ers that year.

No one really remembers WCF performances. People will always point out that Shaq averaged 38 and 16 in the Finals and 3 Finals MVP's. That's what matters.

I mean does anyone remember when Dirk Nowitzki scored a Mavericks franchise record of 50 points, including 22 in the fourth quarter against the Suns in 2006 WCF?

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 06:46 PM
No one really remembers WCF performances. People will always point out that Shaq averaged 38 and 16 in the Finals and 3 Finals MVP's. That's what matters.

I mean does anyone remember when Dirk Nowitzki scored a Mavericks franchise record of 50 points, including 22 in the fourth quarter against the Suns in 2006 WCF?

lol more people remember WCF series in the 3-peat era more then the Finals. :lmao

I bet people dont even remember who came out of the east those years. haha

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 06:48 PM
Kobe has never done that, therefore he does not have leadership and killer instincts.

Fisher has always been the leader. When Kobe was going wild last year in Game 7, guess who pulled him on the side advising him to take it easy?

Yes, you guessed right.

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 06:49 PM
Fisher has always been the leader. When Kobe was going wild last year in Game 7, guess who pulled him on the side advising him to take it easy?

Yes, you guessed right.

ahh..thanks for enlightening me. :toast

namlook
05-18-2011, 06:49 PM
No one really remembers WCF performances. People will always point out that Shaq averaged 38 and 16 in the Finals and 3 Finals MVP's. That's what matters.

It doesn't matter what the casual and less knowledgeable fans remember. That's irrelevant. Those of us that know what really happened know that Kobe put up huge performances against the toughest teams the Lakers faced each year of the Lakers threepeat.

In Game 7 of the 2000 WCF against the Blazers Kobe was the MVP of that game with a tremendous all around performance 25/11/7 and guarding Pippen into a 3-10 shooting performance in what was the real NBA finals. Blazers > Pacers that year.

Kobe dominated a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2001 and was the MVP of that series in what was again the real NBA finals . Spurs > 76ers that year.

In 2002 the Lakers/Kings WCF was the real NBA finals. Kings > Nets that year. In game 7 Kobe put up 30/10/7 .

TheNextGen
05-18-2011, 06:55 PM
It doesn't matter what the casual and less knowledgeable fans remember. That's irrelevant. Those of us that know what really happened know that Kobe put up huge performances against the toughest teams the Lakers faced each year of the Lakers threepeat.

In Game 7 of the 2000 WCF against the Blazers Kobe was the MVP of that game with a tremendous all around performance 25/11/7 and guarding Pippen into a 3-10 shooting performance in what was the real NBA finals. Blazers > Pacers that year.Kobe dominated a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2001 and was the MVP of that series in what was again the real NBA finals . Spurs > 76ers that year.

In 2002 the Lakers/Kings WCF was the real NBA finals. Kings > Nets that year. In game 7 Kobe put up 30/10/7 .

elimination games right there. Booyah!

ChrisRichards
05-18-2011, 06:57 PM
I'm going to stop now. Bulls Heat is up anytime soon.


Kobe's a great player and I enjoy watching him play sometimes. What I said is just my opinion. If you look at some of the most memorable performances in NBA history its no coincidence some of the most iconic names are there as well, Kobe's career has been the exact opposite so far.

dunkman
05-18-2011, 08:06 PM
lol 4 championships as batman...let me see the 4 Finals MVP trophys

The finals is a too small sample, there are anomalies. You have Worthy with a finals MVP, but that doesn't mean he was a better player that season than Magic. Neither was Dumars better than Isaiah the season he won the MVP. Nor was Maxwell better than Bird when he won an finals MVP.

Magic, Isaiah, and Bird weren't stat padders, they played the right way and did what had to be done to win. MJ and Kobe starting from the 03/04 season tended to dominate FGA's so they had better scoring stats than anyone. Which in MJ's case was natural because the Bulls were very successful, in Kobe's case he had to be yelled by Fisher to stop taking so many bad shots and Kobe got to the promised land with the help of Gasol and Artest.

The differences of Duncan with Manu or Parker wasn't huge in 2005 and 2007, as it was in the 2003 and 1999 championships, when Duncan was head and shoulders the Spurs best player. But he was still the Spurs batman for that two last championships. Duncan was instrumental to reach the finals in 2007, IMO it's certain he was the Spurs playoffs MVP that season.

The Cavs were shorthanded at PG, Duncan has very high BB IQ and knows how to play to win, so the Spurs were able to capitalize on that. Even so, there wasn't a big difference with Duncan's stats.

A part from scoring Duncan anchored the defense in the paint, rebounded at very high rate and blocked shots. In the end, at the same scoring level, bigs have higher impact in the game than other players, except for a talented pass first PG's.

picc84
05-18-2011, 08:10 PM
Page 3:

Game Four 2009 against the Jazz-ROUND 1 :lol


Page 2:

Game 7 of the 2006 NBA Playoffs against the Suns


That was round 1 too. Why wasn't that one comical, ChrisRichards? :lol

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 08:52 PM
The finals is a too small sample, there are anomalies. You have Worthy with a finals MVP, but that doesn't mean he was a better player that season than Magic. Neither was Dumars better than Isaiah the season he won the MVP. Nor was Maxwell better than Bird when he won an finals MVP.

Magic, Isaiah, and Bird weren't stat padders, they played the right way and did what had to be done to win. MJ and Kobe starting from the 03/04 season tended to dominate FGA's so they had better scoring stats than anyone. Which in MJ's case was natural because the Bulls were very successful, in Kobe's case he had to be yelled by Fisher to stop taking so many bad shots and Kobe got to the promised land with the help of Gasol and Artest.

The differences of Duncan with Manu or Parker wasn't huge in 2005 and 2007, as it was in the 2003 and 1999 championships, when Duncan was head and shoulders the Spurs best player. But he was still the Spurs batman for that two last championships. Duncan was instrumental to reach the finals in 2007, IMO it's certain he was the Spurs playoffs MVP that season.

The Cavs were shorthanded at PG, Duncan has very high BB IQ and knows how to play to win, so the Spurs were able to capitalize on that. Even so, there wasn't a big difference with Duncan's stats.

A part from scoring Duncan anchored the defense in the paint, rebounded at very high rate and blocked shots. In the end, at the same scoring level, bigs have higher impact in the game than other players, except for a talented pass first PG's.

I agree here...thats why Kobe could have easily been the best player in the playoffs in some of the 3 peat years.

Venti Quattro
05-18-2011, 08:57 PM
If you look at it without without any implications, 62 was more amazing. Now bring in the circumstances, Dirk's 48 weighs more. They also needed each and one of those 48 points

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 09:04 PM
If you look at it without without any implications, 62 was more amazing. Now bring in the circumstances, Dirk's 48 weighs more. They also needed each and one of those 48 points

if Kobe only scored around 48 points, then we can say the lakers needed each one of those 48 points too right...but he scored more to make sure they get the win. That shouldnt penalize Kobe cuz he blew them out.

dirk4mvp
05-18-2011, 09:04 PM
Nice regular season accomplishment, lakerfan.

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 09:09 PM
Nice regular season accomplishment, lakerfan.

well thats the scenario CR gave.

We can compare championship rings if you'd like, but you probably already know what cully would say, dallasfan.

dirk4mvp
05-18-2011, 09:11 PM
Try staying on the topic of the thread please. Thanks.

TheMACHINE
05-18-2011, 09:20 PM
Try staying on the topic of the thread please. Thanks.

i did. Hence, why i didnt answer the question i brought up.

Ashy Larry
05-18-2011, 11:27 PM
Kobe's a smart player. You don't win 5 championships and reach 7 NBA Finals if you lack IQ. He was also pretty good either as a 1st scoring option or a distributor on all championship teams. That tells me Kobe knows the ins and outs of a basketball game. And he was also a very good defender during those 3 peat years.


What Kobe lacked however is killer instinct and leadership. He's pretty good closing out games in the regular season but come playoff time especially in the NBA finals or elimination games, he disappears. Kobe also doesn't have the same leadership of guys like Jordan, Bird and Magic to name a few.

Game 2 & 6 of the 2008 NBA Finals
Game 5 of the 2004 NBA Finals
Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals
Game 7 of the 2006 NBA Playoffs against the Suns
Games 3 & 4 of the 2011 NBA Playoffs against the Mavs

All of these are crucial games for the Lakers and Kobe did nothing to pull or motivate his team away from embarassment, humiliation or defeat.


well, he was the leading scorer and best player on the floor in that Game 7 against the Blazers. He dropped 40+ on the Kings in an elimination 45+ and 16 rebounds in 2001. Game 7 in Sacramento in 2002, he dropped 30, 10 rebounds and 7 assists while shooting a brutal 38% in the game......

so yeah, you can pick a few games where he has struggled but there's a helluva lot where he's clearly dominated. Spurs fan can attest to that.

Ashy Larry
05-18-2011, 11:28 PM
Dirk is just on another planet by the way .........

Giuseppe
05-18-2011, 11:50 PM
Dirk is just on another planet by the way .........

...can't be Saturn. That has a ring around it.

:rolleyes

Nick Manning
05-18-2011, 11:55 PM
...can't be Saturn. That has a ring around it.

:rolleyes

:lmao

dirk4mvp
05-18-2011, 11:57 PM
:lmao the one time culbear stops posting the same 4 things over and over he drops the goodsPERIOD

HarlemHeat37
05-19-2011, 12:01 AM
...can't be Saturn. That has a ring around it.

:rolleyes

:lmao:lmao:lmao..

Fpoonsie
05-19-2011, 12:45 AM
...can't be Saturn. That has a ring around it.

:rolleyes

Cul.

Greatness.

Ashy Larry
05-19-2011, 08:29 AM
...can't be Saturn. That has a ring around it.

:rolleyes


classic line :toast

Brad2217
05-19-2011, 11:33 AM
go mavs