I heard that Minny might want to trade the #2 pick

[blizz]

ESPN is reporting that Minnesota is “very open to moving the second pick.” The Timberwolves would apparently prefer bringing in some veteran help...

Parker and filler for the #2 pick, Ridnour and/or Wes Johnson or Martell Webster. Minnesota gets their veteran leader, we get a backup PG a young versatile defender at the 3 and the #2 pick. Yes? No?

[Muser]

No. Either blow it up or don't, just don't go 50/50.

[blizz]

i don't think it's 50/50....getting young players, a #2 pick and we're back in this mutha.

[benefactor]

Parker is more than just veteran help. If the Spurs are going to even entertain the idea of moving him they have to get something pretty serious back. Flynn, Webster/Johnson, Tolliver and the #2 pick. Minny would never do that, but that's more like the deal the Spurs would need to shoot for to trade him.

[Muser]

Parker for a scrub PG, scrub SG and an unknown is a terrible deal.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dont think we need to get younger man or that number 2 pick

we should try and steal one of there bigs and 2 backup fillers

[elbamba]

Those players sucked on Minnesota, how exactly would they help the Spurs?

[cheguevara]

look Parker is a scrub in the playoffs lately but this years draft willl blow. wake the fuck up

[Texas_Ranger]

If we trade someone now I'd rather see that Manu goes and I like Manu more than Tony, but he's older and injury prone.
btw, I don't want to trade any of the big 3. Only Bonner and RJ need to GTFO!

[tmtcsc]

From what I understand, this draft blows. It's just plain bad luck that Cleveland has 2 lottery picks in the top 5.

[cd98]

If we trade Parker, it needs to be for a big. Ridnour sucks. Wes Johnson is a limited player. Martell Webster has a bad back. So basically you are asking for a #2 pick, which in this draft doesn't guarantee you any type of quality player.

Again if we trade Parker, it is in a package for a big.

[cd98]

I could see a trade materializing with Pau Gasol and Tony Parker being the principles. L.A. needs a point guard in the worst way.

[dbestpro]

I would prefer RJ and Bonner to be shipped out this year and give it one more shot with the big three before we trade TP and Manu. Having said that it is very possible that RJ could reemerge as a player with a new point guard running the team.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

What a stupid idea. Why would you a known commodity in Parker for a lottery pick in the worst draft since 2000?

[coyotes_geek]

If the Spurs are going to trade Tony Parker they need to be getting an all-star caliber player in return. Not just some draft pick whom we'll be hoping that can become an all-star caliber player one day down the road.

[5in10]

Ill trade GH3 for wes johnson or that #2.

[elemento]

Minny will bring Rubio next season. They probably do not want Parker.

We should focus in one of Minnys bigs. They have too many bigs we are desperate for one.

[Leetonidas]

Parker is worth a lot more than that. The #2 pick in this years draft isn't very enticing

[Mal]

Parker is worth a lot more than that. The #2 pick in this years draft isn't very enticing

Where are talking about Derrick Williams. Because he is going to be taken with that pick. It`s not about this draft deepness

[yipekaia]

Instead of trading Parker, why not build the team around him? Can't Parker be our version of Derrick Rose? He definitely can score.

[gospursgojas]

#2 pick in this years draft is like a #14 pick in normal drafts

[baseline bum]

No. Either blow it up or don't, just don't go 50/50.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DHqGp13VpV0/TSYDKr-Yx5I/AAAAAAAADV4/Lb4vBXoJ1gA/s1600/hammare.jpg

[SenorSpur]

Parker is more than just veteran help. If the Spurs are going to even entertain the idea of moving him they have to get something pretty serious back. Flynn, Webster/Johnson, Tolliver and the #2 pick. Minny would never do that, but that's more like the deal the Spurs would need to shoot for to trade him.

Now THAT is a deal more reflective of Parker's value. I agree, Minny would probably never do it, but if I'm RC, I'd entertain it. That is a deal that would certainly help fast-track an "on-the-fly" rebuild project.

[ALVAREZ6]

Parker is worth a lot more than that. The #2 pick in this years draft isn't very enticing

Yes it is. Derrick Williams who will likely go 2 is the best player in this draft and he's a hell of a prospect. 6'8" 241 lbs great body and athleticism for a wing player, he'd be more productive than RJ in his first year. Shot 57% from 3 point land. He's got all the tools to become a great player, I'd love him on the Spurs and I'd give up many of our players to see that happen.

[purist]

Instead of trading Parker, why not build the team around him? Can't Parker be our version of Derrick Rose? He definitely can score.

except that Rose has balls.:lol

[jdiggy0424]

Yes it is. Derrick Williams who will likely go 2 is the best player in this draft and he's a hell of a prospect. 6'8" 241 lbs great body and athleticism for a wing player, he'd be more productive than RJ in his first year. Shot 57% from 3 point land. He's got all the tools to become a great player, I'd love him on the Spurs and I'd give up many of our players to see that happen.

We could definitely use a player like Derrick Williams. He'd immediately make an impact as our PF. He's got a bright future ahead of him.

[crc21209]

Hell no. This draft fucking sucks....:td

[crc21209]

#2 pick in this years draft is like a #14 pick in normal drafts

This. ^^^

[Man In Black]

Yes it is. Derrick Williams who will likely go 2 is the best player in this draft and he's a hell of a prospect. 6'8" 241 lbs great body and athleticism for a wing player, he'd be more productive than RJ in his first year. Shot 57% from 3 point land. He's got all the tools to become a great player, I'd love him on the Spurs and I'd give up many of our players to see that happen.

Just wanted to point out that the College 3 line is only 20 feet 6 inches. But if Arizona didn't go on that run, then perhaps Williams doesn't get that much pub? Think of it this way, years ago, Providence went crazy good and got to the Elite 8 and they had 2 stud players who got drafted. Austin Croshere, went in Round 1 and God Shammgod, in round 2. Where are they now and really, what kind of impact did they have in the Association?

I like Williams. He spent his High School and AAU years being overlooked and undervalued to the point that he actually ended up at Arizona as a secondary choice by the coaches. In essence, they brought him in because the guy they really wanted, didn't want to go to Arizona.
Despite that, while he is worthy of being a Top 5 pick in this year's draft, I'd liken his real value to be more like that of Danny Granger, who went #17 in his draft year. A solid player who should have gone higher based on his production now.

[Mal]

#2 pick in this years draft is like a #14 pick in normal drafts

Nope. Irving and Williams are great players. They could go in TOP 5 every draft. The rest suck. Pick 3+ is like 14 in other drafts.

[ManuTastic]

Yes it is. Derrick Williams who will likely go 2 is the best player in this draft and he's a hell of a prospect. 6'8" 241 lbs great body and athleticism for a wing player, he'd be more productive than RJ in his first year. Shot 57% from 3 point land. He's got all the tools to become a great player, I'd love him on the Spurs and I'd give up many of our players to see that happen.

I would totally trade Parker for Derrick Williams. That guy is going to be a beast.

[baseline bum]

I would totally trade Parker for Derrick Williams. That guy is going to be a beast.

Better be part of a bigger deal to move Ginobili and Duncan for youth then.

[baseline bum]

Hell no. This draft fucking sucks....:td

I cannot believe this draft is so shitty that Brandon Knight is #3 in both the draftexpress and nbadraft.net mocks. Don't get me wrong; Knight has good size and athleticism for the position and loads of potential, but he never really showed himself to be a point guard this season. He's the kind of player you'd take 8-14 in a normal draft.

[5in10]

Gh3 for the number 2? Throw in Blair or Neal if we must.

[rascal]

I would prefer RJ and Bonner to be shipped out this year and give it one more shot with the big three before we trade TP and Manu. Having said that it is very possible that RJ could reemerge as a player with a new point guard running the team.

How many more shots do the so called big three need?

It should be apparant by now the big three can't get it done anymore as the top players on the team. Break it up and get bigger, younger, quicker and more athletic. It will take breaking up the big three to make that change.
Substituting a role player or two with other role players wont work anymore.

[rascal]

There will be star impact players that come out of this draft.
Every draft has some great/good players.
Just have to make the right call on the right player.

[8FOR!3]

I wouldn't send much more than George Hill and DeJuan Blair for the #2. I'd keep Tony Parker before giving him up for #2 and a couple scrubs. As a fan it would be exciting to see something big and new like that, but there's no way it'll happen imo.

[baseline bum]

There will be star impact players that come out of this draft.
Every draft has some great/good players.
Just have to make the right call on the right player.

This draft was pretty lousy before Barnes, Sullinger, Jones III, Henson, and Jones pulled out. If Irving doesn't live up to the hype, then it could really be another 2000 level draft (e.g., the one with Marcus Fizer, Kenyon Martin, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles, Chris Mihm, Jerome Moiso, and DerMarr Johnson).

[baseline bum]

I wouldn't send much more than George Hill and DeJuan Blair for the #2. I'd keep Tony Parker before giving him up for #2 and a couple scrubs. As a fan it would be exciting to see something big and new like that, but there's no way it'll happen imo.

Now if Tim retires at the end of next season and the Spurs could get the #2 pick in the 2012 draft for Tony or Manu, that I would be all over.

[elemento]

we should focus in the available Minny players.

They have too many wings and bigs. We could easily get one of their bigs and 1 wing player really cheap.

[ChuckD]

Nope. Irving and Williams are great players. They could go in TOP 5 every draft. The rest suck. Pick 3+ is like 14 in other drafts.

No. Every analysis of this draft I see say that Irving and Williams will likely develop into solid starters, but not stars. If John Wall is judged to be a 100, Irving is probably an 88-90. For a number one pick, you want him to either dominate at the previous level, have the physical attributes to dominate at the next level, or best case: both. Irving has neither.

[Ditty]

Trade parker for bynum

Ginobili for flynn,webster? and #2 draft williams

Trade blair/Bonner(I wish), and rj for mike miller and joel anthony

Duncan takes a pay cut and extension

Trade hill for a high second round pick, and get jajuan johnson or our 29th pick and hill to get singleton

If not, draft Lucas Nogueria with our pick

Get rid of bonner somehow and get a decent backup power forward with duncan's salary drop or take a ris with richards

Sign a back up point guard-Mike Bibby- I know he sucks but not a lot of options on the market and can be cheap

Start of a solid rebuild

;)

[Ditty]

Trade parker for bynum

Ginobili for flynn,webster? and #2 draft williams

Trade blair/Bonner(I wish), and rj for mike miller and joel anthony

Duncan takes a pay cut and extension

Trade hill for a high second round pick, and get jajuan johnson or our 29th pick and hill to get singleton

If not, draft Lucas Nogueria with our pick

Get rid of bonner somehow and get a decent backup power forward with duncan's salary drop or take a ris with richards

Sign a back up point guard-Mike Bibby- I know he sucks but not a lot of options on the market and can be cheap

Start of a solid rebuild

;)

[Muser]

Better be part of a bigger deal to move Ginobili and Duncan for youth then.

Exactly, Derrick Williams isn't going to save this Spurs team.

[Josepatches_]

I would totally trade Parker for Derrick Williams. That guy is going to be a beast.

[Muser]

Spurfan would really trade Parker for an unknown? smh.

[ChuckD]

Spurfan would really trade Parker for an unknown? smh.

This. We will get more than #2 in a shitty draft for Parker when the time comes.

[blizz]

I never said straight up. Where did I say that? I'd take any of their young 2-3s along with the #2 and beasley

[beachwood]

Instead of trading Parker, why not build the team around him? Can't Parker be our version of Derrick Rose? He definitely can score.

Rose is MVP. Parker didn't even make the All-Star team.

I like Parker, but he and Rose are worlds apart as far as basketball talent is concerned. Rose is a franchise player. Parker is not. Thems the facts.

[beachwood]

I would totally trade Parker for Derrick Williams. That guy is going to be a beast.

+1

DWill is going to be an All Star. The guy grew leaps and bounds in his two years at AZ.

[tim_duncan_fan]

People still crying about the"Big 3"are being willfully ignorant. We keep Duncan and maybe Ginobili simply because they are legacy players. Everyone else can gtfo if it helps us in the long run. I would get rid of TP and his salary for an athletic small forward any day. Name a strong, athletic 6'8 player who isn't at least a borderline all-star.

I don't know who Derrick Williams is, but if he's built like Lebron or like Melo and we can draft him, then we do that shit without a pause.

All we'd have to lose is a different lottery pick by making the playoffs and flaming out in the 1st or 2nd round with the "Big 3."

[blizz]

People still crying about the"Big 3"are being willfully ignorant. We keep Duncan and maybe Ginobili simply because they are legacy players. Everyone else can gtfo if it helps us in the long run. I would get rid of TP and his salary for an athletic small forward any day. Name a strong, athletic 6'8 player who isn't at least a borderline all-star.

I don't know who Derrick Williams is, but if he's built like Lebron or like Melo and we can draft him, then we do that shit without a pause.

All we'd have to lose is a different lottery pick by making the playoffs and flaming out in the 1st or 2nd round with the "Big 3."

Word. It's time for one of them to move. It makes the most sense. Minnesota wanted a PG badly and thought they'd get one with the #1 pick. They didn't get it and they don't need anymore bigs or 3s. We NEED both of those, so they get their veteran PG, we get 3 players or so that we need and we stay relevant.

[blizz]

Are you guys seriously telling me we can't use this? This is exactly what we need. Do it pop....do it now.

yTaOwRLXPV4

[kaji157]

If we do trade tony to minesotta we should get Rubio's rights, #2, a complementary big, fillers.

[blizz]

I like that too Kaji

[Master splitter]

Pipe dream: Tony,hill,Blair,tiago, and rj for k-love, darco, Luke r, Rubio,+ 2nd pick(singleton) will fall to our laps.
C.Jordan Williams,Duncan,darco
Pf. K-love,Ryan Richards,Justin harper
Sf. Singleton,Anderson,Butler
Sg. Manu,Neal,D.lighty
Pg. Rubio,Luke r., nando de colo

[ChuckD]

Are you guys seriously telling me we can't use this? This is exactly what we need. Do it pop....do it now.

yTaOwRLXPV4

Highlight reel plays aren't a skill that translates from the NCAA to the NBA. It's like dunking on a traffic cone.

[baseline bum]

If we do trade tony to minesotta we should get Rubio's rights, #2, a complementary big, fillers.

Wow. Why not ask for Love too?

[BackHome]

Us trading Parker to Minny for there draft pick and another player makes sense. But no way do they give us the second round pick in this draft and give us Rubio a top draft pick in any draft...not going to happen.

[blizz]

Highlight reel plays aren't a skill that translates from the NCAA to the NBA. It's like dunking on a traffic cone.

Really? So you can do it? Why doesn't everyone do it? It shows his length, his athleticism, his footwork, his shot etc etc. If you can't see anything from that then you're fucked in the head. You're probably one who was drooling watching Splitter's highlights when in Europe.

[TJastal]

Are you guys seriously telling me we can't use this? This is exactly what we need. Do it pop....do it now.

yTaOwRLXPV4

lol @ getting all worked up over a tweener who would regularily get his stuff swatted into the 4th row at the nba level

[Muser]

If we do trade tony to minesotta we should get Rubio's rights, #2, a complementary big, fillers.

Why would the Spurs want Rubio? He's a scrub.

[ChuckD]

Really? So you can do it? Why doesn't everyone do it? It shows his length, his athleticism, his footwork, his shot etc etc. If you can't see anything from that then you're fucked in the head. You're probably one who was drooling watching Splitter's highlights when in Europe.

The irony of you bashing someone else for drooling at highlights is delicious. :lol

I'm not against the concept of trading Parker at some point for picks, just not in this shit draft, There would have to be a Blake Griffin, or a John Wall, or a Derrick Rose type of player available, though, and this draft doesn't have one of those near ready All Star players available. You don't trade your best fucking trade chip for anything less.

[Chieflion]

Minnesota is not trading their chance at getting a young franchise player, even if there is only a small chance, and get a declining Tony Parker instead.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

The franchise may as well blow up the team if they trade Parker. However, I would wait until next year's draft to do such a thing. The 2012 draft class is loaded with 3x as more talent than the class this year.

[BackHome]

The irony of you bashing someone else for drooling at highlights is delicious. :lol

I'm not against the concept of trading Parker at some point for picks, just not in this shit draft, There would have to be a Blake Griffin, or a John Wall, or a Derrick Rose type of player available, though, and this draft doesn't have one of those near ready All Star players available. You don't trade your best fucking trade chip for anything less.

Ok I think you might have put to much value on Parker he is good but he is not even close to Blake Griffin or Derrick Rose. I think Tony is probably a top five PG but he is not a top 20 NBA player.

The draft is weak but the top two guys are legit and the next 3 players I think have a good chance to become either starters or stars it just depends. The only reason we have a chance at looking at the second picks is cause this draft value is low if this was 2012 we probably could only be talking about pick ten and above for Tony.

Either through a trade for a player or a top 2-5 draft pick but do something.

[ChuckD]

Ok I think you might have put to much value on Parker he is good but he is not even close to Blake Griffin or Derrick Rose. I think Tony is probably a top five PG but he is not a top 20 NBA player.

The draft is weak but the top two guys are legit and the next 3 players I think have a good chance to become either starters or stars it just depends. The only reason we have a chance at looking at the second picks is cause this draft value is low if this was 2012 we probably could only be talking about pick ten and above for Tony.

Either through a trade for a player or a top 2-5 draft pick but do something.

Utah got THREE first round picks AND Devin Harris AND Derrick Favors for a guy who arguably destroyed their team from the coach on down. While Parker is a shade below DWill, he comes with much less baggage, is signed to a multiple year reasonable deal, and IS MOST CERTAINLY WORTH MORE THAN ONE HIGH PICK IN A SHITTY DRAFT.

My question is why do YOU value our multiple Championship, multiple AS PG so low?

[Biggems]

Maybe we can include a 3rd team, merely to dump RJ and his contract.

if not

Parker, 2011 2nd for #2, 2011 2nd, Rubio, and Flynn

With the #2 we take SF Williams. With Minnesota's 2nd, we take Keith Benson (someone in the paint who will block and alter shots). We can use our 1st for either a Big or a PG.

[ALVAREZ6]

Just wanted to point out that the College 3 line is only 20 feet 6 inches. But if Arizona didn't go on that run, then perhaps Williams doesn't get that much pub? Think of it this way, years ago, Providence went crazy good and got to the Elite 8 and they had 2 stud players who got drafted. Austin Croshere, went in Round 1 and God Shammgod, in round 2. Where are they now and really, what kind of impact did they have in the Association?

I like Williams. He spent his High School and AAU years being overlooked and undervalued to the point that he actually ended up at Arizona as a secondary choice by the coaches. In essence, they brought him in because the guy they really wanted, didn't want to go to Arizona.
Despite that, while he is worthy of being a Top 5 pick in this year's draft, I'd liken his real value to be more like that of Danny Granger, who went #17 in his draft year. A solid player who should have gone higher based on his production now.
Sure, and having a Granger would be a great thing for the Spurs. I understand the college 3PT line is much shorter, but it shows the kid has a reliable outside jumper, another good thing. 57% for a whole season is no fluke, he can obviously shoot the ball from that range. It's not like you can say that outside shooting will not translate when the college shooter has a good percentage. JJ Reddick was a great college shooter and now is a solid NBA shooter.

Besides, his outside three point percentage is one of the last things that makes Derrick Williams a great prospect. It has much more to do with him being a tough, athletic SF who is 6'8" 241. He's not mental pussy like RJ either. He's an instant upgrade over RJ.


EDIT: The kid also averaged 60% FG for the season, which shows that he has good shot selection. I'm not saying he's going to come in and be an all-star right away, I'm saying he would make the Spurs a stronger team, while signing a player who has a long and positive future ahead of him.

[ALVAREZ6]

Utah got THREE first round picks AND Devin Harris AND Derrick Favors for a guy who arguably destroyed their team from the coach on down. While Parker is a shade below DWill, he comes with much less baggage, is signed to a multiple year reasonable deal, and IS MOST CERTAINLY WORTH MORE THAN ONE HIGH PICK IN A SHITTY DRAFT.

My question is why do YOU value our multiple Championship, multiple AS PG so low?

Exactly :lmao


Whoever mentioned the possibility of trading Parker for a pick and those who continued discussing it are retarded, just one of the dumbest things I've heard. When I said I'd be willing to trade multiple guys, I meant guys like RJ, Hill, Blair, etc.

Why don't we go ahead and trade Ginobili for a #17 pick as well :lol

[BackHome]

Utah got THREE first round picks AND Devin Harris AND Derrick Favors for a guy who arguably destroyed their team from the coach on down. While Parker is a shade below DWill, he comes with much less baggage, is signed to a multiple year reasonable deal, and IS MOST CERTAINLY WORTH MORE THAN ONE HIGH PICK IN A SHITTY DRAFT.

My question is why do YOU value our multiple Championship, multiple AS PG so low? Offcourse or I wouldn't be on this site...But I am kinda greedy I want more....I don't want to be on this site for the remaining years of my life talking about the good old day..lol

Ok.....not trying to be a smart ass but if you could move Tony to Minny would you take any of the bellow offers? Or what do you think we should get for Tony?

1.Tony > Second pick + Rubio + 2012 first rounder
2. Tony> Second pick + Beasley

[Muser]

Both of those deals are horrible. Rubio sucks so much ass and Beasley is an average/good tweener with shitty D.

[SilverSpur]

I would trade RJ, Bonner, Quinn for the #2 , only if we get to keep are #29 and use it on the Thompkins kid from Georgia. Maybe throw in are 2nd if they ask for more. Paker retires a Spur and we hang his jersey in the rafters.

[Mel_13]

At least this year we only have to deal with the "trade Tony" crowd until June 30th. Then the lockout will begin and we'll get several months of blissful quiet.

Trades can aim for several different outcomes. These would include:

1. Improve the team in the short term.

2. Improve the team in the long term while taking a short term hit.

3. Improve the team's financial position which could possibly lead to long term improvement at the expense of short term setbacks.

Trading Tony can lead to option 2 or option 3. Maybe to both. I can't see how it leads to option 1. Which leads me to believe that the Spurs won't look to trade Tony before the summer of 2012.

[blizz]

The irony of you bashing someone else for drooling at highlights is delicious. :lol
.
You don't get it. I said that because you tried to discount what this guy can do based on a highlight reel when you were probably high on splitter based on his. This guy is already better than any 3 4 or 5 on our team and yes Im including TD. Look we can't just not do anything and expect to be contenders. Tony will be a year older next year and if he has another sub par year, his trade value will go down even more. I say do it now, do it for the pick and players and let's get young instantly and move on. Not that you asked me, but I value Tony so low cuz he just got his ass kicked by Mike fuckin Conley.

[Isitjustme?]

I would prefer RJ and Bonner to be shipped out this year

[Spurtacus]

Spurs get:
Jonny Flynn
Martell Webster
Ricky Rubio rights
#9 and #19 overall pick (from Charlotte)

Wolves get:
Tony Parker
Stephen Jackson
D.J. White
#29 overall pick (from San Antonio)

Bobcats get:
Michael Beasley
Darko Milicic
Anthony Tolliver
#2 overall pick (from Minnesota)

This trade DOES work in the Trade Machine. And lets be realistic...no way we're going to trade Bonner/RJ with their overpaid contracts.

Spurs would then draft Tristan Thompson PF and Chris Singleton/Jordan Hamilton SF with the #9 and #19 picks.

Potential Spurs depth chart:
C: Tiago Splitter, Tristan Thompson, Free agent signing/McDyess
PF: Tim Duncan, DeJuan Blair, Matt Bonner
SF: Richard Jefferson, Chris Singleton/Jordan Hamilton, Martell Webster, Da'Sean Butler
SG: Manu Ginobili, Gary Neal, James Anderson
PG: George Hill, Jonny Flynn, Ricky Rubio

We're trading Parker for Flynn, Webster, two 1st round draft picks and the rights to Ricky Rubio. We're at 16 players on my depth chart if Rubio comes over so someone would have to go either in trade or possibly cut (RJ, Bonner, Webster, Butler). Some of you may hate Rubio but he's a throw in at this point.

Parker says we're done. Maybe its time to move him then. This trade is basically an instant rebuild with a ton of youth injected into the lineup. On paper it feels like the team is crappier then the 10/11 team but really we are only losing Parker and maybe McDyess.

I worked on this for two hours. Please be kind.

[ChuckD]

You don't get it. I said that because you tried to discount what this guy can do based on a highlight reel when you were probably high on splitter based on his. This guy is already better than any 3 4 or 5 on our team and yes Im including TD. Look we can't just not do anything and expect to be contenders. Tony will be a year older next year and if he has another sub par year, his trade value will go down even more. I say do it now, do it for the pick and players and let's get young instantly and move on. Not that you asked me, but I value Tony so low cuz he just got his ass kicked by Mike fuckin Conley.

OK, moving on from the irony. :lol Tony won't lose value for another 2-3 years. I've already said I'm not averse to trading him. I am averse to giving him away for one unproven young player. He is NOT better than anyone 3-5 on our roster now because he's raw and never played an NBA game. He'll be pushed around and bullied for 2-3 years until he figures out how to stand his ground,

Tony is a multiple time A.S. pretty much at his peak. If Utah can get 3 first rounders, NJ's first round selection from the previous draft (Derrick Favors), and a starting PG for DWill, we can do a HELL of a lot better than one fucking pick. If Minny wants to throw 2-3 first rounders and 2 rotation players at us, I'll listen.

[blizz]

OK, moving on from the irony. :lol Tony won't lose value for another 2-3 years. I've already said I'm not averse to trading him. I am averse to giving him away for one unproven young player. He is NOT better than anyone 3-5 on our roster now because he's raw and never played an NBA game. He'll be pushed around and bullied for 2-3 years until he figures out how to stand his ground,

Tony is a multiple time A.S. pretty much at his peak. If Utah can get 3 first rounders, NJ's first round selection from the previous draft (Derrick Favors), and a starting PG for DWill, we can do a HELL of a lot better than one fucking pick. If Minny wants to throw 2-3 first rounders and 2 rotation players at us, I'll listen.
Again this is the Tony Parker who has had two bad years in a row and got destroyed by a non top 15pg and who has said we are done. It's not a straight up deal dumbass, I've said that over and over. If we can get multiple decent to good players and the #2 pick it's a no brainer.

[ChuckD]

Again this is the Tony Parker who has had two bad years in a row and got destroyed by a non top 15pg and who has said we are done. It's not a straight up deal dumbass, I've said that over and over. If we can get multiple decent to good players and the #2 pick it's a no brainer.

So, why are you cussing me if we're both needing more than the stupid #2 pick? Is it because I called you on the YouTube thing? That was funny and ironic, and you did post one, and I never drooled over Tiago videos. I think YouTube is the WORST way to evaluate talent, because no one ever posts a worst hits, only greatest hits and highlight compilations.

[blizz]

Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree. Do I think he will do those things on day one? No but he has the potential to be very good and is what I think we need. You're right about the highlights but I look at it as what hes capable of. We don't currently have anyone who has that sort of capability. Can you agree on that?

[blizz]

Bottom line is that we are both passionate about our team. I just don't think we can get better without making a move and unfortunately tp is the only spur with trade value. What if we wait till next year and no one in the top 5 wants or needs tp? What if he has another sub par year? We have what Minnesota needs And they have what we need. We may not have the same opportunity next year. I'd hate to lose tp, I really would, I just think if we want to contend and rebuild, we need to do something like this. We would instantly get younger, more athletic, longer and for 1 player who hasn't played like a finals MVP since we won it.

[ynh]

Did someone really just use what Utah got for D. Williams as a water mark for what Parker should command? Perhaps I'm just not with it but you guys seem to have a very very inflated idea of the market value of Parker coming off two very so so seasons in a point guard heavy league. I really can't think of too many teams that would give up a lot for Parker that would view him as the missing piece or foundation to built off of. I've said it before.. I think you guys get something like what Billups commanded.. and that's a good player of about equal level of play on an expiring contract. Basically cap space.

[blizz]

Did someone really just use what Utah got for D. Williams as a water mark for what Parker should command? Perhaps I'm just not with it but you guys seem to have a very very inflated idea of the market value of Parker coming off two very so so seasons in a point guard heavy league. I really can't think of too many teams that would give up a lot for Parker that would view him as the missing piece or foundation to built off of. I've said it before.. I think you guys get something like what Billups commanded.. and that's a good player of about equal level of play on an expiring contract. Basically cap space.

Exactly. That's why if we can get the #2and some players we need to do it.

[ChuckD]

Did someone really just use what Utah got for D. Williams as a water mark for what Parker should command? Perhaps I'm just not with it but you guys seem to have a very very inflated idea of the market value of Parker coming off two very so so seasons in a point guard heavy league. I really can't think of too many teams that would give up a lot for Parker that would view him as the missing piece or foundation to built off of. I've said it before.. I think you guys get something like what Billups commanded.. and that's a good player of about equal level of play on an expiring contract. Basically cap space.

Not saying they should get that exact return, just contrasting three first rounders, PLUS last year's first round pick PLUS a starting PG against some people saying trade Parker for just this one pick. Parker for cap space is just as ridiculous as saying get what Utah did for DWill. If that's all you think you can get, you keep him, since we are MILES above the cap. Chauncy was also 32 when he was moved, and Detroit had a chance to open a ton of cap room, something the Spurs don't have.

[BackHome]

To me it makes sense Minny fans and owners are pretty much demanding the team make some noise by not going young but getting vets. I have no doubt they trade the second pick it just remains what team they do it with?

I honestly think that with Tony and Love they would at least make the eighth round playoff spot next year. The question is what kind of deal we can make....for draft picks or players or moving bad contracts RJ....Minnny has to know if they don't sign a named player that they are going not only loose their fans but they know Love will walk on them after the following year.

[cdcast]

Looking at Minny's roster, other than Love, Darko, and whoever they get at #2, the rest of the players are mediocre at best. Rubio is way overrated, Beasley makes way too many boneheaded plays (in other words, he sucks), and their other PGs are nowhere near Tony's level. They don't have the players for a Parker trade. Unless they lose their mind and offer up Love, Johnson and the #2 which will never happen.

They shouldn't trade Parker at this point unless its a no-brainer deal. They can wait till after the new CBA is hammered out, and maybe something good might be available at the trade deadline or even next summer when it's a way better draft. No need to panic now.

[Muser]

Minny have got nothing for the Spurs to entice a Parker trade outside of Love but that's not happening. Lock this stupid thread.

[Spurious]

Let's hope the Wolves view TP as still being the guy who torched them for 55, rather than the guy who stumbled through our first-round loss to Memphis. Then maybe they'll give us fair value...whatever that might be.

[Chomag]

Spurs need to make a trade to get better? Yes, but trading their only player with real Value for crap no.

[yavozerb]

Interesting take on Minn and Rubio...

http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-timberwolves/2011/5/21/2183270/ricky-rubio-nba-timberwolves-regal-barcelona-playoffs-acb

[Muser]

Let's hope the Wolves view TP as still being the guy who torched them for 55, rather than the guy who stumbled through our first-round loss to Memphis. Then maybe they'll give us fair value...whatever that might be.

They can't give us fair value.

[yavozerb]

They can't give us fair value.

First, i do think not TP will be traded and I am ok with that..Second, where you lack in equal value in a trade for a player like TP you gain value in possible upside on young players. I realize the spurs are in a win now situation, but they must also evaluate how to transform this aging team into possibly a playoff team down the road (3-5) yrs from now as well for financial reasons. Its a tough spot where the spurs are right now, no doubt

[Muser]

If you trade TP for potential young players for the future you have to trade Duncan and Manu too, either fully blow it up or don't, just don't go 50/50.

[yavozerb]

If you trade TP for potential young players for the future you have to trade Duncan and Manu too, either fully blow it up or don't, just don't go 50/50.

I disagree...The spurs have been consistent winners through out there history because they never panicked or blew up rosters. Would the spurs be as good without TP, certainly not, would they compete for the playoffs, yes they would. Nobody would want a team like the wolves where every position has young players learning on the job and therefore cannot win many games.

[Muser]

Trading TP is a rebuilding move, if you're in rebuilding mode you don't want to make the playoffs. I'd rather the Spurs be like the Wolves than a perennial first/second round exit team like the hawks, at least then they might have a chance at getting the next big player in the draft.

[yavozerb]

Trading TP is a rebuilding move, if you're in rebuilding mode you don't want to make the playoffs. I'd rather the Spurs be like the Wolves than a perennial first/second round exit team like the hawks, at least then they might have a chance at getting the next big player in the draft.

Do you see the Wolves getting any better any time soon? Try being a wolves fan and I gurantee that you will change your stance on that statement after one season....:lol

[Muser]

High draft picks > first round exit every year + shitty draft picks.

[Ditty]

I think the only trade I would agree with is Bynum for Parker swap...both are top 5 players at there position when healthy IMO

I think Manu would be more of a help too the twolves as they don't have any help at the SF/SG (ellington,webster,johnson), a trade for manu for flynn,webster, and the 2nd work on the trade machine. Finding a quality shooting guard in this league is alot easier then finding a quality point guard who can run the team.

I do and don't agree on if your going to trade them might as well trade everyone, of course you don't want to be like Houston these past 2 season with there dumbshit GM, and trying to be competitive,and make the 8th seed but are always the 9th seed. You can find some good talent for Manu and Parker that can make this team still competitive, but I find the Center position where we need the most help. I believe if the Spurs make some noise during free agency, possibly Holt not being a cheap ass, and buying picks, or offering Blair, and Hill to move up in the draft, or for picks. I think this will influence Duncan to take reconstruct his contract to make the Spurs have some salary cap this summer.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tp for josh smith + teague?

[Spurious]

tp for josh smith + teague?

I've lived in the Atlanta area since the 'Nique days, and I've seen a lot of bad front office moves by the Hawks. This would surely be another one, from their perspective. As a Spurs fan I can't imagine even they would go it...but I can dream.

[Mr Fundamental]

Nobody has wrote about Enes Kanter. Forget about Derrick Williams. We need a young, big and a potential franchise player. I think Enes is the best big man in this draft and could carry us for long years.

I'm a Turk and i know and watched Enes here in Turkey. He is a good guy with great personality and he has a great work ethic.

If we take this 2nd pick from Minnesota we should go to Enes Kanter.

I hope this dream will come through.

[ynh]

Parker is not top 5 at pg. Off the top of my head. Rose, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Rondo, Nash.. all are better.

[Thomas82]

Nobody has wrote about Enes Kanter. Forget about Derrick Williams. We need a young, big and a potential franchise player. I think Enes is the best big man in this draft and could carry us for long years.

I'm a Turk and i know and watched Enes here in Turkey. He is a good guy with great personality and he has a great work ethic.

If we take this 2nd pick from Minnesota we should go to Enes Kanter.

I hope this dream will come through.


It would take a miracle for us to get him.

[5in10]

Nobody has wrote about Enes Kanter. Forget about Derrick Williams. We need a young, big and a potential franchise player. I think Enes is the best big man in this draft and could carry us for long years.

I'm a Turk and i know and watched Enes here in Turkey. He is a good guy with great personality and he has a great work ethic.

If we take this 2nd pick from Minnesota we should go to Enes Kanter.

I hope this dream will come through.

The more I read about kanter, the more I like the idea of him. I for one think the spurs could still compete without Tony. Even when Tony was out in 2010, we played some of the best bball we have yet to see. If they offer that #2 ,Wes johnson, millicic or Tolliver , and Ridnour, I would think long and hard about that. Now it's starting to look like they may lose Rubio which maybe would make them more willing to throw him in.