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dbreiden83080
05-19-2011, 02:38 PM
Some may love this

Personally i think it's sad. He fucked up but i hate to see him lose his career..


Sonnen's Fighting Future in Doubt


http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Sonnens-Fighting-Future-in-Doubt-32466

LOS ANGELES -- The California State Athletic Commission voted 4-1 on Wednesday to uphold an indefinite suspension of middleweight Chael Sonnen. The decision effectively eliminates the possibility that Sonnen will be allowed to coach on the next season of “The Ultimate Fighter” opposite Michael Bisping, with Sonnen and his attorneys arguing prior to the ruling that it could signify the end of his MMA career.

On April 19, the commission announced that Sonnen was indefinitely suspended for two violations of the California Code of Regulations, Title 4, Section 390. The section holds that licensees for boxing and MMA may have their licenses revoked for conduct which discredits their sport. Sonnen was found to have violated the section by making untruthful statements under oath at a Dec. 2 hearing and for pleading guilty to a charge of money laundering in the state of Oregon on April 8.

Sonnen’s difficulties with the commission began last August when he tested positive for an elevated testosterone level prior to his fight with Anderson Silva. Sonnen’s elevated testosterone and subsequent explanations became a source of great public scrutiny, but were largely irrelevant to today’s hearing.

Wednesday’s hearing focused specifically on the guilty plea for money laundering that came a month after his six month suspension was lifted as well as Sonnen’s specific remarks about alleged conversations with Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Officer Keith Kizer.

Karen Chappelle, the supervising deputy attorney general representing California, questioned whether Sonnen could be trusted to tell the truth. She labeled Sonnen’s money laundering conviction for knowingly issuing a kickback check a crime of deception and fraud. Additionally, she accused Sonnen of dishonesty in claiming that he had a conversation with Kizer which could only have taken place between Kizer and Sonnen’s then-manager, Matt Lindland, and may not have happened as Sonnen described.

Chappelle painted a portrait of Sonnen as a person who will say one thing and then readily change to another position if questioned on it. She thus argued against giving Sonnen another chance at this time.

“Everyone deserves a second chance. The question is: how many second chances?” Chappelle remarked during her opening statement.

Sonnen’s attorney, Steve Thompson, argued in response that the judge in the Oregon case gave Sonnen a lenient sentence because of his citizenship and remorse. He pointed to Sonnen’s community service and attached letters from parents whose children’s lives were positively impacted by Sonnen.

Regarding Sonnen’s comments about his alleged conversation with Kizer, Sonnen and his attorneys repeatedly focused on the adjective “imprecise” to describe Sonnen’s words. Thompson argued that Sonnen did the best he could in answering questions and that he had no intention to mislead.

Thompson suggested that when Sonnen referred to conversations “we” had with Kizer, it was his way of referencing Lindland. Thompson said that Sonnen’s language was being parsed unfairly and that Sonnen never said “I” spoke to Kizer, only “we.” Kizer responded on video from Nevada by pointing out another part of Sonnen’s affidavit where Sonnen said the Nevada commission “told me” as opposed to “told us.”

Finally, Sonnen and his attorneys sought to influence the commission by describing the stark contrast in Sonnen’s future life depending on whether the commission ruled in his favor. Sonnen said he is working two non-MMA jobs presently and that it is a tough situation. He added that if his license remains suspended, UFC President Dana White has informed him that he will effectively be retired.

If, on the other hand, the commission ended Sonnen’s suspension, Sonnen could attempt to become licensed in Nevada. Sonnen noted that he had a “once-in-a-lifetime opportunity” in 18 days to coach on the 14th season of “The Ultimate Fighter” opposite Michael Bisping. Sonnen claimed that the winner of a bout between himself and Bisping would become No. 1 contender for the middleweight title and receive a title bout on free television. Sonnen said that this would be the biggest fight in the history of MMA.

“I’ve worked for this chance my whole life, since I was nine, and I don’t want to retire today,” Sonnen stated soberly and deliberately. “I volunteered in my community 18 hours a week the last decade. Never had a drop of alcohol in my life. Never smoked anything. I’m dubbed by Sports Illustrated and ESPN the greatest [Sonnen spelled out an expletive] talker in all of sports. The reality is I’ve never used profanity. Using [spelled-out expletive] a moment ago is the closest I’ve come to using profanity. I’m truly embarrassed from the last hearing and until now... I will not make these mistakes again. I will not ask for forgiveness again. Please just let me go back to work.”

The commission proved unsympathetic to Sonnen’s claims. Each commissioner cited both the Oregon conviction and Sonnen’s December testimony as reasons for upholding his suspension, while focusing more on his testimony.

“Past actions are the best indicator of future performance,” Commissioner Eugene Hernandez remarked in voicing his concern about Sonnen’s future conduct.

Commissioner Dr. Christopher Giza questioned Sonnen and his counsel’s repeated use of the word “precise.” He suggested that Sonnen was not imprecise, but rather untruthful.

Commissioner John Frierson said that he is an advocate of second chances, but that he found it very hard to give a second chance in this case.

Only Commissioner Anthony Thompson voted against a motion to uphold Sonnen’s suspension. There was little debate, with the commission alternating criticisms of Sonnen at the end of the hearing.

Prior to the final vote, Sonnen’s friends and family in attendance voiced their frustrations with the, by then, obvious decision. Sonnen’s mother stood up during public comments to make some of the day’s most effective remarks in favor of Sonnen. She noted that Sonnen doesn’t always pay close attention in reference to his remarks about Kizer. She added that Sonnen needs testosterone and that the commission could decide on that prior to his fight. She then concluded by emotionally defending her son’s character.

“Why would anyone bring up that they were approved in Nevada if they knew it was a lie?” she asked. “He didn’t need that to get past the commission in California. He believed it because he was told that. Some of this just needs to get down to basic common sense. You’re talking about suspending his license indefinitely. He’s done if you do that! This kid has not slept. He’s hardly eaten. He is remorseful. He is sorry whether you keep his license or throw it away.”

Following the commission’s ruling, one of Sonnen’s attorneys continued to plead with the commission to reconsider. He spoke of all the positive things Sonnen could do for the commission to show his remorse, while the rest of the room began to pack up and depart. Eventually, Sonnen’s side was informed that there could be no further discussions between attorneys and the commission after the conclusion of the hearing.

Sonnen’s team gathered in the lobby of the downtown state building minutes later. They passionately argued amongst themselves about the ruling. A resigned and stoic Sonnen stood away from the circle, looking downward and not engaging with the others.

Stringer_Bell
05-19-2011, 04:57 PM
Such bullshit, there's really no reason for this. They're making an example out of him and totally fucking over him and MMA fans.

dbreiden83080
05-19-2011, 05:55 PM
Such bullshit, there's really no reason for this. They're making an example out of him and totally fucking over him and MMA fans.

It is too much.. Tyson got denied a license to fight in Vegas for the Lewis fight and Memphis picked it right up. But because Sonnen is a UFC fighter and the UFC wants to stay on good terms with all the commissions they are leaving him out in the cold here..

Basically this new info says that he can't re-apply until May of 2012. And the NSAC upholds suspensions from other states, so he is fucked here for at least 1 more year which would make him 35 on the comeback trail.. There is no athletic commission in the UK , so if he is cut by the UFC maybe he takes a fight or 2 there.. His UFC career may be over with this ruling. Chael should have kept quiet until all the dust settled, he screwed up really bad.. But they came down on him too hard..

This was the new info i found..

http://mmajunkie.com/news/23660/chael-sonnens-indefinite-suspension-now-being-treated-as-license-revocation.mma

The head of the California State Athletic Commission said today that a vote Wednesday to uphold the indefinite suspension of Chael Sonnen is being treated as a license revocation in evaluating the fighter's future licensing prospects in the state.

CSAC Executive Director George Dodd today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that Sonnen will be free to apply for a new fight license on May 18, 2012, or one year to date from the denial of his appeal to remove his current suspension, which runs to June 29 of this year.

"Indefinite suspension is a form of a revocation of a license," he said.

As a basis for the decision, Dodd cited a statute from the California Code of Regulations Title 4 Rule 399, which states that applicants who have been denied an application for a license may not file a similar application until one year from the date of the last previous denial by the commission.

The statute also states that any applicant who has had a license revoked may not petition for reinstatement or apply for a new license until one year after the date of such revocation, and that any petition for reinstatement filed within the one year period may be denied without the necessity of a hearing.

Although Sonnen has not been denied a license – his current license is suspended until June 29 – and his license was not revoked on Wednesday, Dodd said CSAC's legal team decided that the statute still applies.

"That allows us not to keep on seeing (an applicant) every month after month," he said. "He's got to do some form of rehabilitation to be seen in front of the commission before then."

Following Wednesday's hearing, Dodd initially told MMAjunkie.com that Sonnen would be eligible to file for a new license on June 29, 2012, though he later said it would be decided on Thursday whether the commission would treat the suspension as a revocation.

Until June 29, Sonnen's name will remain on a registry that tracks fighters' medical and administrative suspensions, and a note will be placed thereafter on his file that asks commissions in other states to call the CSAC if he files an application there.

At Wednesday's hearing, Sonnen's legal representatives begged the CSAC to end the fighter's current suspension on June 5, the final date in which he'd be eligible to gain a second's license in Nevada to coach on "The Ultimate Fighter 14." Sonnen told the commission that he had been offered a spot opposite Michael Bisping on the reality show with a No. 1 contender's bout waiting afterward. The CSAC ignored the request and voted 4-1 in favor of upholding the suspension.

Nevada State Athletic Commission Keith Kizer said a second's license is out of the question before Sonnen's current suspension ends, though the restrictions will be lifted after June 29.

"My understanding is that he's free to apply for either license after June 29," Kizer said today. "However, he will have to appear before the commission on those applications. Before that date, we have to honor the California suspensions."

CubanSucks
05-20-2011, 03:14 PM
could someone give me the 10 peso version cause from what I'm seeing it's a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit getting involved in a sport. I know of his crimes in money laundering or whatever but what's that have to do with his career as an athlete?

these are serious questions, I kinda skimmed through the whole thing

dallaskd
05-20-2011, 03:19 PM
average fighter, average career..

CubanSucks
05-20-2011, 03:58 PM
OH thank you, Lord! Now my golden boy will never have to get roughed up again!!!!!!!

dbreiden83080
05-20-2011, 04:30 PM
could someone give me the 10 peso version cause from what I'm seeing it's a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit getting involved in a sport

This is pretty much it


CSAC executive officer George Dodd said the action was taken because the panel's legal counsel felt Sonnen may have perjured himself during testimony at an appeal hearing in December related to his ban for elevated levels of testosterone, which at 16.9 was four times higher than the state's allowable testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio.

The suspension, issued two weeks ago by the CSAC, puts Sonnen on the national database used by regulators to monitor medical and administrative bans, and asks North American regulatory bodies to contact California before issuing the UFC middleweight contender a license to compete, corner, promote or act as a manager.

Basically they say he perjured himself and can re-apply in a year. Till then he is out since nobody else will license him in the US. He needs to leave the country to fight..

ace3g
05-20-2011, 06:38 PM
CSAC changes mind, UFC's Chael Sonnen free to apply for license after June 29 http://bit.ly/jObPSF

Stringer_Bell
05-20-2011, 07:01 PM
Hell yeah!! The commission was making everyone freak out, glad this can get resolved in time for the next TUF!

dbreiden83080
05-20-2011, 07:06 PM
Hell yeah!! The commission was making everyone freak out, glad this can get resolved in time for the next TUF!

Not sure..

They said Chael needed to re-apply in Nevada by June 5th to do the show. If and it's a big IF Chael gets the new license in CA before July, he still needs to get Kizer to stop being a shit-head and give him a new one in Nevada.. UFC needs the show for the fall so how long can they wait??

I still think he could be out for a year or more..


Edit.. They are saying on Sherdog that he will likely just go right to Nevada after the 29th since his suspension will be over in CA

DMC
05-20-2011, 11:22 PM
That's the problem with fighting. The best fighters get blackballed and we are denied what we would otherwise pay to see. I don't care if the guy killed a family of 5 with a grease gun and a stapler, I want to see these guys kill each other in the ring.

Isitjustme?
05-21-2011, 05:34 PM
Everyone's all excited over this dude because he gave Silva a tough fight when he was loaded with steroids. gmafb

CubanSucks
05-22-2011, 12:11 AM
Everyone's all excited over this dude because he gave Silva a tough fight when he was loaded with steroids. gmafb

get familiar with the story before talking shit

dallaskd
05-22-2011, 01:36 PM
steroids or not, the dude has had a sub-par career and is known to choke in every big fight he gets, but continues to talk shit

HighLowLobForBig-50
05-26-2011, 02:52 PM
i come in this thread to say good riddance to this piece of shit only to scroll down and find this
:bang


CSAC changes mind, UFC's Chael Sonnen free to apply for license after June 29 http://bit.ly/jObPSF

dbreiden83080
05-26-2011, 07:58 PM
i come in this thread to say good riddance to this piece of shit only to scroll down and find this
:bang

He doesn't deserve to lose his career over this crap

Rampage almost killed a pregnant lady driving down the interstate and never even missed a days work in the UFC..

ace3g
06-29-2011, 12:07 PM
Heads Up: Chael Sonnen's Suspension Was Lifted Today. brk.to/16bn
http://www.cagepotato.com/heads-up-chael-sonnens-suspension-was-lifted-today/

benefactor
06-29-2011, 12:31 PM
:tu

The TroutBum
06-29-2011, 09:15 PM
Boo ya.

Stand
07-01-2011, 03:37 PM
Good luck to Sonnen trying to apply for a license in Nevada. Keith Kizer is just waiting to bitch slap him for all of his retarded trolling and lying. And let us not forget the newest nugget to come out following Nate's firing, you can't get a TUE in Nevada if you have gotten popped previously for a failed drug test.

shyne
07-01-2011, 05:10 PM
Sonnen is overated anyways

dbreiden83080
07-01-2011, 07:30 PM
Good luck to Sonnen trying to apply for a license in Nevada. Keith Kizer is just waiting to bitch slap him for all of his retarded trolling and lying. And let us not forget the newest nugget to come out following Nate's firing, you can't get a TUE in Nevada if you have gotten popped previously for a failed drug test.

Head over to UFC.com they are actively promoting him again. Dana says he'll be back soon.. His license issues appeared resolved or soon will be..

dbreiden83080
07-01-2011, 07:33 PM
"I think a lot of people want to see Chael Sonnen fight," White told MMAFighting reporter Ariel Helwani. "I am sure he is ready to get back and start working again. He's another guy who has made some bad choices and made some mistakes, he's paid his dues and now he gets to come back and do things smarter this time."

shyne
07-01-2011, 07:41 PM
I know people want to see GSP VS. Silva. What about GSP VS. Sonnen? Would love to see GSP shut the the two biggest mouths in the UFC.

Stand
07-01-2011, 09:54 PM
Head over to UFC.com they are actively promoting him again. Dana says he'll be back soon.. His license issues appeared resolved or soon will be..

Seriously man, do you think you are going to lie about talking with the Nevada State Athletic Commissioner, as part of your alibi, and he is just going to forget about that? Yeah he served his suspension for California, but if he wants to fight in Vegas again then he can expect to have to eat some serious humble pie before Kizer lets that happen.

The TroutBum
07-01-2011, 11:38 PM
I'm pretty sure that Kizer has the moral and ethical obligation to NOT let personal matters like this affect his judgment.

dbreiden83080
07-02-2011, 12:34 AM
Seriously man, do you think you are going to lie about talking with the Nevada State Athletic Commissioner, as part of your alibi, and he is just going to forget about that? Yeah he served his suspension for California, but if he wants to fight in Vegas again then he can expect to have to eat some serious humble pie before Kizer lets that happen.

The UFC would not be selling him again if this was not worked out.. Trust me


Sonnen is back..

And Kizer is a paid monkey.. He has no morals..

Stand
07-03-2011, 04:55 PM
I'm pretty sure that Kizer has the moral and ethical obligation to NOT let personal matters like this affect his judgment.

They will still have to be addressed.

Stand
07-03-2011, 05:01 PM
The UFC would not be selling him again if this was not worked out.. Trust me


Sonnen is back..

And Kizer is a paid monkey.. He has no morals..

Yeah b/c Dana has never fumbled a call before. :lmao

The only thing that is worked out is that Fail Sonnen will have him fight in events outside some of the more restrictive commissions.

dbreiden83080
07-03-2011, 05:17 PM
Yeah b/c Dana has never fumbled a call before. :lmao

The only thing that is worked out is that Fail Sonnen will have him fight in events outside some of the more restrictive commissions.

Dana has said he does not mess with other commissions rulings.. Chael has to be re-licensed and it looks like all is well.. Chael was at UFC 132 last night making the rounds of interviews. Dana is talking him up. Lets face it this has gone on long enough.. The man should be able to go back to work. Rampage Jackson almost killed people with his truck and never served one days suspension..

Chael will be back soon it seems.. And good for him..

ace3g
07-05-2011, 02:21 PM
Looks like Sonnen wants to fight Machida
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and Machida wouldn't mind fighting him:

Chael Sonnen Calls Out Lyoto Machida, ‘The Dragon’ Says “I’ll Sign Immediately”

http://www.themmanews.com/?p=40792

dbreiden83080
07-06-2011, 11:13 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_sonnen_stann_ufc_070611


Chael Sonnen, the Ultimate Fighting Championship’s trash-talking middleweight contender, will return to competition following a year’s absence when he takes on hard-hitting Brian Stann at UFC 136 in Houston.

Contracts have been agreed to but not signed.

Sonnen has been sidelined since Aug. 17, 2010, when he nearly defeated Anderson Silva to win the UFC middleweight title. Sonnen dominated the first four rounds and was controlling the fifth when, with just over two minutes left, he was caught in a triangle choke.

After the fight, Sonnen failed a post-fight urinalysis and was suspended by the California State Athletic Commission for improperly reporting his use of testosterone replacement therapy to executive officer George Dodd.

Sonnen’s suspension ended last week.

In Stann, he’ll face a hard-hitting ex-Marine who once held the World Extreme Cagefighting light heavyweight belt. Stann has won three in a row and five of his last six.

“Surging middleweight contender ‘The All-American’ Brian Stann has verbally agreed to the toughest test of his career as he will face top-ranked contender Chael Sonnen Oct. 8 in Houston,” UFC president Dana White said in a statement. “Stann is coming off three straight victories, finishing all of them including TKO victories over Jorge Rivera and Chris Leben. He is ready to prove he can compete with the elite in the UFC middleweight division.

“Sonnen was two minutes from becoming the UFC middleweight champion before succumbing to an Anderson Silva triangle. He looks to get back on track for another shot at the title by taking on Brian Stann.”

HighLowLobForBig-50
07-06-2011, 11:42 PM
awesome. Stann will get it done

ace3g
07-07-2011, 10:49 AM
Good to have him back, great interview!!!

http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/aol-sports/chael-sonnen-backstage/1041225706001

benefactor
07-07-2011, 12:56 PM
Stann's gonna get his ass handed to him.

dbreiden83080
07-07-2011, 03:19 PM
Good to have him back, great interview!!!

http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/aol-sports/chael-sonnen-backstage/1041225706001

:lol


Chael is the greatest shit-talker ever in MMA.

benefactor
07-07-2011, 10:14 PM
"I am a gangster from the America."

rofl

The TroutBum
07-07-2011, 10:43 PM
Good to have him back, great interview!!!

http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/aol-sports/chael-sonnen-backstage/1041225706001

That is tremendous! Unfortunately, Stann is going to wreck his ass.

I had no idea he was such a fan of Brazil -- I like him even more now.

Rip-Hamilton32
07-07-2011, 11:07 PM
chael is the best, he holds back for no one

ManuBalboa
07-08-2011, 01:40 PM
Sonnen is the best shit talker in sports I have ever seen.

I would contemplate watching fake wrestling again if he were to quit the UFC, roid up, and put his verbal skills to use in the ring. If he still wants to be a politician, I would vote for him solely for the weekly soundbites.

polandprzem
07-09-2011, 04:01 AM
This is an amazing matchup.

I like both fighters, and I do not want them to lose.
I want to see a rematch Anderson - Sonnen. But even if Sonnen will lose Anderson can fight him when he will lose to Okami.



And a classic

PFpePVQ68FM

polandprzem
07-09-2011, 06:07 AM
Day after Sonnen - Silva - interview with Chael

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHMzg7tmdMA&feature=related

The TroutBum
07-09-2011, 08:46 PM
Day after Sonnen - Silva - interview with Chael

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHMzg7tmdMA&feature=related

I've never seen that before. I liked Sonnen a lot before I saw it, but I want to have rough anal sex with him now. What a stud. He has the right attitude, the skill, the work ethic, and PhD in shit talking. Boo ya.

dbreiden83080
07-09-2011, 09:37 PM
I've never seen that before. I liked Sonnen a lot before I saw it, but I want to have rough anal sex with him now. What a stud. He has the right attitude, the skill, the work ethic, and PhD in shit talking. Boo ya.

This post won't bode well for the MMA trolls we have..

The TroutBum
07-09-2011, 10:22 PM
This post won't bode well for the MMA trolls we have..

I care not. Let them shout it from the roof-tops.

I WANT TO HAVE ROUGH ANAL SEX WITH SONNAN'S FACE! (and his anus)