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Winehole23
05-21-2011, 01:52 PM
Armstrong's tight inner circle crumbles

Ex-Postal Service teammate revelations almost unthinkable given past camaraderie


By Bonnie D. Ford

LOS ANGELES -- After all these years, all these miles and all the suspicion, it's still somewhat astonishing to see the cars on the old Blue Train uncoupling one by one. This may forever be remembered as the week when Lance Armstrong finally lost control over the U.S. Postal Service cycling team that formally disbanded years ago.



One of Armstrong's most prominent support riders from early on in his seven-year reign as Tour de France champion, Tyler Hamilton, admitted to his own doping past and has given the CBS newsmagazine "60 Minutes" an alleged eyewitness account of Armstrong using performance-enhancing drugs that will air on Sunday evening.


The network also reported a potentially even more weighty revelation, saying that George Hincapie, the only man to have been on all of Armstrong's Tour-winning teams, has told federal authorities investigating Armstrong that the two men supplied each other with banned substances and discussed their use. Hincapie has not confirmed the story and said he never spoke to "60 Minutes."


Armstrong has never strayed from his blanket denial of doping. But taken together with Floyd Landis' year-old detailed confession and allegations of Armstrong doping, the new material constitutes a far more serious assault on Armstrong's integrity than anything previously unearthed in the 12 years since he became a global superstar. It also represents a total rupture of formerly strong bonds between the ex-teammates, bonds that once would have seemed impossible to break, whether because of camaraderie or common interest.


The supremely efficient Postal teams of Lance Armstrong's heyday ran on schedule -- his schedule. More than any other organization of that era, they were built on the principle of all for one and one for the Tour de France. Other races were tuneups or afterthoughts, and other individual aspirations were footnotes, if they existed at all. Postal riders were self-effacing and loyal to their leader; the Tour was one big buddy movie on two-wheelers.





At least it was made to appear that way. What the world was permitted to see of the team off the road was tightly monitored. Minders sat in on interviews. Journalists sympathetic to the team were enlisted to keep tabs on who was saying what in the press room. Hostile journalists were photographed and blacklisted. The Blue Train was also a gravy train that altered the trajectory of many careers. Woe to anyone who tried to derail it by raising doubts that the team was clean.


Through that filter, Hincapie, Hamilton and Landis were all initially viewed as charming sidekicks defined by the roles they played for Armstrong, and they had to work hard to establish separate identities. But Armstrong's grip on their psyches persisted after they left the team, mainly because his power and influence within cycling continued to grow. When Hamilton and Landis were busted for doping in 2004 and 2006, respectively, neither seriously considered telling the truth about his own history or the toxic culture of the sport that had turned cheating into a rational act and lying into a lifestyle.
Both riders fought their positive tests and didn't rat on anyone, confident they had calculated the odds correctly. "If you point your finger at [Armstrong] and a few other people who run the sport, you're not allowed back in," Landis said Friday.


That construct is crumbling before our eyes now. It took the two former Postal lieutenants who had the least to lose -- having already lost so much -- to bring the heaviest sledgehammers to it thus far. The triggers for their confessions and allegations may seem clear-cut: Landis was angry, and Hamilton was subpoenaed to appear before a federal grand jury hearing evidence in the case. But it would be unfair to oversimplify their stories. Both men have suffered for their hubris and mistakes. There are a lot of decent people in cycling who have been warped by its extremes like plywood in the hot sun.


"I know what these guys are about to go through, and it's a rough road," said Frankie Andreu, who five years ago admitted using performance-enhancing drugs to prepare for the 1999 Tour, the race that marked the start of Armstrong's dominance. "I have a lot of respect for them for telling the truth."


Andreu and his wife, Betsy, were once close friends of Armstrong's, but the relationship soured after they testified in a 2005 arbitration hearing that they had heard him tell doctors he had used performance-enhancing drugs when they visited him in the hospital during his cancer treatment in late 1996.


In comments on Friday to VeloNews.com, Andreu said of Hincapie, "You can't find a nicer guy, a more trustworthy guy, a more respected person in the peloton. Lance has ripped apart, attacked and shredded anybody that's said anything against him. I don't know that that would work against George."


Veteran U.S. rider Michael Creed said he observed "a lot of self-hate" in Hamilton while they were briefly teammates at Rock Racing in 2008, and feels compassion for him now.


"Would it make more sense to lie after you get caught, or now?" Creed asked rhetorically. "What makes more sense? I don't think you're ever married to a lie."


Landis, who torpedoed his own credibility more than once in the process of contesting his doping case and then coming clean, said he hoped people would "look at the big picture and try to make a judgment on everything that was happening. ... Don't look at [Hamilton] and work backwards and say, 'This guy must be telling a lie and there must be a reason.'"


The Hincapie report remains unsourced at the moment, and should be regarded differently unless that changes. If it's true that he outed himself, there could be implications for his career, unless the admissions were to fall outside the eight-year anti-doping statute of limitations or a deal has been struck with authorities. What would be his record-tying 16th Tour start looms little more than a month away, and he has spoken recently of wanting to race one more season.



What ultimately matters is not what any media outlet reports Hincapie testified to, but what Hincapie actually said behind closed doors and how it weaves into the vast, sprawling Armstrong odyssey. By virtue of never having been involved in a doping case, Hincapie has a larger reservoir of public goodwill than Hamilton or Landis, and that could make him a more sympathetic figure. He also might engender more fan disappointment, judging by the comments on his Twitter feed.


Those old Postal teams were disciplined. They rode team time trials with geometric precision and they swarmed to the front of the peloton at the base of major climbs, blowing up the group with a high tempo and making sure one or more helpers were with Armstrong on the way up. They protected him. On the rare occasions that he was isolated, it was a jarring sight. This week, it feels like his escort is dwindling.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/columns/story?id=6572159

Ginobilly
05-21-2011, 02:02 PM
Either he never did, or Lance Armstrong has one of the best strategies to beat drug tests?

boutons_deux
05-21-2011, 02:43 PM
The noose is tightening around Lance's cycling career.

And yes, he was tested a lot, so he was multiple World Champion in hiding drug use.

Venti Quattro
05-21-2011, 02:44 PM
or maybe the doctors are lying themselves.

ChumpDumper
05-21-2011, 03:13 PM
or maybe the doctors are lying themselves.I didn't see any doctors listed in the OP.

boutons_deux
05-21-2011, 03:58 PM
cheese-eating surrender monkeys would love to see Lance's career trashed.

Slomo
05-21-2011, 04:21 PM
Except the investigation and prosecution was started in the US by the US, so it seems the french are at best only second in the schadenfreude line...

DMC
05-21-2011, 04:30 PM
All he has to do is deny it, which he's hired someone to do for him.

I believe almost all top athletes are using EPO and other methods to gain advantages.

Slomo
05-21-2011, 04:46 PM
Well I don't know about other sports but until the big crack down on doping from a few years back, everybody in pro cycling was using. It was the worst kept secret in sports.

BlackSwordsMan
05-22-2011, 12:53 PM
fucking rats

Vinnie_Johnson
05-22-2011, 01:10 PM
ooo cycling. i'm sure the entire country of france gives a shit

The whole country of France hates Lance after all he won the hardest race in sports in their country 7 times. Lance is Texas pride he beat cancer and looks like he beat the drug tests too.

TheManFromAcme
05-22-2011, 02:14 PM
cheese-eating surrender monkeys would love to see Lance's career trashed.

:tu this

TheManFromAcme
05-22-2011, 02:16 PM
The whole country of France hates Lance after all he won the hardest race in sports in their country 7 times. Lance is Texas pride he beat cancer and looks like he beat the drug tests too.

:toast exactly...

Screw France and the french people for that matter.

ChumpDumper
05-22-2011, 02:42 PM
Did you guys bitching about the French even read the article?

TheManFromAcme
05-22-2011, 02:45 PM
Did you guys bitching about the French even read the article?


doesn't matter. bitching about the french is the right thing to do in any situation. they're the French

Vinnie_Johnson
05-22-2011, 03:45 PM
doesn't matter. bitching about the french is the right thing to do in any situation. they're the French

:toast

Vinnie_Johnson
05-22-2011, 04:15 PM
http://cdn4.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2011/05/22/2/h_600.jpg

resistanze
05-22-2011, 06:14 PM
LMAO @ people thinking Lance was the only clean cyclist in a sport dirtier than baseball - and then he happened to win 7 times while clean.

DMC
05-22-2011, 06:16 PM
LMAO @ people thinking Lance was the only clean cyclist in a sport dirtier than baseball - and then he happened to win 7 times while clean.

In a row...

Vinnie_Johnson
05-22-2011, 07:57 PM
LMAO @ people thinking Lance was the only clean cyclist in a sport dirtier than baseball - and then he happened to win 7 times while clean.

The fact that he beat the others who were also doping was impressive. Doping or not Go USA! and Fuck Cancer and the French I think we can agree here.

ploto
05-23-2011, 09:29 AM
How many people are left who truly believe he never doped?

ididnotnothat
05-23-2011, 09:55 AM
As far as I know Lance hasn't failed a doping test so there is not proof.

Bukefal
05-23-2011, 10:08 AM
Of course he used it. All cyclists use doping. That's not the matter. It's just about those who get caught. Normally they don't get caught and it's not so hard to hide it, the ones who get caught made some stupid mistake in hiding it and that's why it comes out like this. But, everyone and really everyone of the big cyclists are using doping.

The thing with Armstrong is, he is a peoples favorite. Everybody loves the guy. All Americans love the guy. He has a great heroic image, so many people look up to and that has increased because of his cancer battle.

He was 'the great athlete who beat cancer and went on to multiple victories'

So, nobody wants to believe it. If it turns out that he indeed used doping, he is no hero anymore. Then this guy who was adored as a rolemodel, simply becomes a stupid cheater.

It's a shame though, they have ruined the whole sport. It's just not fun anymore.

ididnotnothat
05-23-2011, 10:12 AM
Cycling has never been a fun sport in the US.

Slomo
05-23-2011, 11:29 AM
America loves pro cycling.


xdbPTege7Cg

ploto
05-23-2011, 11:46 AM
The thing with Armstrong is, he is a peoples favorite. Everybody loves the guy. All Americans love the guy.

I have always found this interesting because by most accounts, the guy is pretty much an asshole.

mrsmaalox
05-23-2011, 11:47 AM
I have always found this interesting because by most accounts, the guy is pretty much an asshole.

That's all I've ever heard about him, too.

ploto
05-23-2011, 11:48 AM
As far as I know Lance hasn't failed a doping test so there is not proof.

...But the most damning revelation of all from tonight's broadcast, Hamilton said that Armstrong failed a drug test in 2001 and that Lance, with the help of the International Cycling Union (UCI), "took care of it."

According to the 60 Minutes report that just aired, Armstrong got a personal meeting with the head of the lab who discovered his test. The lab director told the FBI in a sworn statement that the ICU arranged the unusual meeting and made it known that it didn't want the suspicious test to be investigated any further...


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-60-minutes-2011-5#ixzz1NC96J75N

ChumpDumper
05-23-2011, 12:00 PM
America loves pro cycling.


xdbPTege7Cglol that movie is a guilty pleasure. Costner and Grant actually look like cyclists in it, but there was a dude playing a top Russian road racer who looked more like a Greco-Roman wrestler.

Slomo
05-23-2011, 12:06 PM
lol that movie is a guilty pleasure. Costner and Grant actually look like cyclists in it, but there was a dude playing a top Russian road racer who looked more like a Greco-Roman wrestler.

:lol true.

Agreed on the guilty pleasure thing. I'll admit that the first time I watched that movie (many many years ago) was because of Alexandra Paul :lol

ChumpDumper
05-23-2011, 12:31 PM
:lol true.

Agreed on the guilty pleasure thing. I'll admit that the first time I watched that movie (many many years ago) was because of Alexandra Paul :lolNo shame in that.

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