Dragic

[TD21-FTW]

Would you like to see Goran in Spurs yersey?

[ChuckD]

No. He's Slovenian, meaning Pop will break his fragile mentality.

[TwelveGs210]

Fuck no, just for the fact we had him and traded him..id rather live with the decision..i know he can score, but has he shown he can run the team? Dont catch too many Phoenix games..

[Texas_Ranger]

I think Houston will sign him, but if they don't then take him.
Right now the Spurs don't have a 2nd PG, cause Hill looks more like a SF than a PG and I would not want to play Neal at the PG position. I know Manu can play it, but still I'd rather see someone from the bench that can play really good with the 2nd squad. And Dragič is a pretty good at playing with the bench players.

[timtonymanu]

Rather have him than Hill, tbh.

[baseline bum]

I'd love to have him in a Spurs uniform. With how well Lowry has played, he could end up being expendable on the Rockets.

[SenorSpur]

Rather have him than Hill, tbh.

I was thinking the same thing.

What's the use of having Hill around because he's been such a disappointment that Manu has become, in effect, the defacto backup PG on this team.

Bring in Dragic, ship Hill out elsewhere because he doesn't fit a need on this team.

[silverblk mystix]

rather have him than hill, tbh.

+1,000,000

[Mel_13]

The 4th qtr of Game 3 of the 2010 WCSF is not representative of what Dragic brings to the table on a regular basis.

[SenorSpur]

The 4th qtr of Game 3 of the 2010 WCSF is not representative of what Dragic brings to the table on a regular basis.

Probably not, but at least he's shown enough competency to run an offense.

[ducks]

dragic is way better then hill

[elemento]

there is a reason PHX gave Dragic + a 1st for Brooks.

He is very inconsistent. I pass

[Texas_Ranger]

there is a reason PHX gave Dragic + a 1st for Brooks.

He is very inconsistent. I pass

mah, those guys in PHX are pretty dumb.
Dragič is also a damn good Playoff player while Hill sometimes looks like a pathetic pussy.

[Kyle Orton]

there is a reason PHX gave Dragic + a 1st for Brooks.
Yeah, the same reason they thought it was smart to let Amare leave and replace him with Turkoglu and Warrick......they're fuckin retarded

[DAF86]

We need a SF and a Bigman, not a PG.

[Mel_13]

Probably not, but at least he's shown enough competency to run an offense.

Really? Have you checked out where he ranks in turnovers/48 and assists/turnover?

[Mel_13]

Ya gotta love the world according to SpursTalk. If this thread is any example at all, the Collective Wisdom of SpursTalk (CWoS) now holds that Hill, after 3 years in the NBA, is not good enough to be a backup PG or a starting SG and therefore should be traded.

Meanwhile, as far as I can tell, an earlier and still widely held bit of CWoS holds that the rookie version of George Hill would have been a difference maker in the 2009 playoffs if only Pop had been smart enough to use him more.

Can't wait to see how the 2013 CWoS on Splitter compares to the current version.

[silverblk mystix]

Ya gotta love the world according to SpursTalk. If this thread is any example at all, the Collective Wisdom of SpursTalk (CWoS) now holds that Hill, after 3 years in the NBA, is not good enough to be a backup PG or a starting SG and therefore should be traded.

Meanwhile, as far as I can tell, an earlier and still widely held bit of CWoS holds that the rookie version of George Hill would have been a difference maker in the 2009 playoffs if only Pop had been smart enough to use him more.

Can't wait to see how the 2013 CWoS on Splitter compares to the current version.

maybe some truth to this...

or...

you would HOPE that 3 years down the road Hill would have improved-instead of regressed.

...


and Hill was the only one with any foot speed to stay with Terry and Barea during that series...but of course Pop is too smart to do the simple thing.

[Kyle Orton]

Really? Have you checked out where he ranks in turnovers/48 and assists/turnover?
He ranks fine in that department when he's not playing with bootleg lineups that have Hakeem Warrick at center.

lol @ you saying the Suns were smart not to pay Amare the max

[Mel_13]

He ranks fine in that department when he's not playing with bootleg lineups that have Hakeem Warrick at center.

lol @ you saying the Suns were smart not to pay Amare the max



1. his numbers were bad before the Suns signed Warrick.

2. link to where I said that about Amare or STFU.

[DMC]

There's a misconception about regressing for 2nd and 3rd year players because they aren't improving at the same rate as they were. These guys get into the league and we think anything they do is a miracle the first year, but by year two it's expected and they seem to be leveling off because we don't see the improvement any longer. By the third year it seems like a regression because the player is just doing what they do, no longer introducing new things to their game. They found a limit and that's where they reside. Unfortunately we compare all of them to who we want them to be instead of who they can be.

[Mel_13]

maybe some truth to this...

or...

you would HOPE that 3 years down the road Hill would have improved-instead of regressed.

Care to provide any objective proof that Hill has regressed from season 1 to season 3?



and Hill was the only one with any foot speed to stay with Terry and Barea during that series...but of course Pop is too smart to do the simple thing.

This doesn't even deserve comment. Get back to me when you review what actually happened in that series.

[Brazil]

Care to provide any objective proof that Hill has regressed from season 1 to season 3?



well at least he didn't progress a lot and defensively sometimes I believe he is regressing

but I wouldn't trade hill for dragic

[Mel_13]

well at least he didn't progress a lot and defensively sometimes I believe he is regressing

It's the expectation game. Some people around here expected Hill to evolve into a near All-star level player. He has improved offensively and he's handled heavy minutes. On the defensive side, it's been a team-wide regression so it's hard to tell how much he's regressed as an individual. He's certainly no Bruce Bowen, which is another irrational comparison that some folks around here made about George earlier in his career.

He's a perfectly good complimentary guard who fits very well in a backcourt led by Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.



but I wouldn't trade hill for dragic

Agree completely.

[ChuckD]

There's a misconception about regressing for 2nd and 3rd year players because they aren't improving at the same rate as they were. These guys get into the league and we think anything they do is a miracle the first year, but by year two it's expected and they seem to be leveling off because we don't see the improvement any longer. By the third year it seems like a regression because the player is just doing what they do, no longer introducing new things to their game. They found a limit and that's where they reside. Unfortunately we compare all of them to who we want them to be instead of who they can be.

Or, maybe like Hill, they actually regress in year 3.

[silverblk mystix]

Care to provide any objective proof that Hill has regressed from season 1 to season 3?

*see Phoenix series/Nash assraping of hill last year---and most of this past season...unless you are a blind homer

This doesn't even deserve comment. Get back to me when you review what actually happened in that series.

I don't need to explain to you or go back to it...I was there...I saw that Pop shit the bed the way he always does since 2006 when he went small to match-up with Dallas.

[Mel_13]

I don't need to explain to you or go back to it...I was there...I saw that Pop shit the bed the way he always does since 2006 when he went small to match-up with Dallas.

:lol

We were talking about 2009, but nice mini-meltdown.

[SenorSpur]

Really? Have you checked out where he ranks in turnovers/48 and assists/turnover?

In this world, there are lies, damn lies and statistics. What good are those numbers when the kid isn't running the team. You do know who handles the ball, executes the offense and makes plays for others when TP is on the bench? It's Manu.

When George Hill learns how to execute a fricking simple pick-n-roll, then we can have a debate regarding his progress as a backup PG. Until then, he's just a nice, comiplimentary young player, who is too short to be a shooting guard and hasn't yet learned the nuances of playing PG. Both of which are major deficiencies on a Spurs team, that can ill-afford any at either position.

[Mel_13]

In this world, there are lies, damn lies and statistics. What good are those numbers when the kid isn't running the team. You do know who handles the ball, executes the offense and makes plays for others when TP is on the bench? It's Manu.

When George Hill learns how to execute a fricking simple pick-n-roll, then we can have a debate regarding his progress as a backup PG. Until then, he's just a nice, comiplimentary young player, who is too short to be a shooting guard and hasn't yet learned the nuances of playing PG. Both of which are major deficiencies on a Spurs team, that can ill-afford any at either position.

You just said a whole about George, much of which I would agree with. I'm not really sure why you felt the need to state so much that is so obvious. I didn't say anything that suggested I believed the contrary.

The stats I mentioned in the post you responded to were about Dragic. He has plenty of deficiencies as well, some of which are highlighted by the stats I referred to.

[Brazil]

It's the expectation game. Some people around here expected Hill to evolve into a near All-star level player. He has improved offensively and he's handled heavy minutes. On the defensive side, it's been a team-wide regression so it's hard to tell how much he's regressed as an individual. He's certainly no Bruce Bowen, which is another irrational comparison that some folks around here made about George earlier in his career.

He's a perfectly good complimentary guard who fits very well in a backcourt led by Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.


fair enough

[8FOR!3]

Goran Dragic is just a solid backup point guard, of course I'd like to see him in a Spurs jersey. George Hill's the better player, I wouldn't trade him straight up for Dragic, but there's a good chance Dragic would be the better fit. As much as I like Hill, he just seems like great trade bait to me.

[underdawg]

It's the expectation game. Some people around here expected Hill to evolve into a near All-star level player. He has improved offensively and he's handled heavy minutes. On the defensive side, it's been a team-wide regression so it's hard to tell how much he's regressed as an individual. He's certainly no Bruce Bowen, which is another irrational comparison that some folks around here made about George earlier in his career.

He's a perfectly good complimentary guard who fits very well in a backcourt led by Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.




Agree completely.

If anyone expects any Spur to be an all star, they have a lot of wishin to do.

Hill's a good player, but what role does he have on the Spurs? Is he a defender? Is he a scorer? Dragic's #'s were better after he got to Houston by the way.

Honestly, I don't know enough about Dragic other than the series that he torched the Spurs in game 3, but I have noticed Hill to start to have a trend of fading in the playoffs - if you call 2 series and a few important regular season games as being a trend.

I think if you can move his attractive contract with one of the bad contracts to improve an area the Spurs need, you do it.

[Mel_13]

I think if you can move his attractive contract with one of the bad contracts to improve an area the Spurs need, you do it.

Yes, you do.

[SenorSpur]

You just said a whole about George, much of which I would agree with. I'm not really sure why you felt the need to state so much that is so obvious. I didn't say anything that suggested I believed the contrary.

The stats I mentioned in the post you responded to were about Dragic. He has plenty of deficiencies as well, some of which are highlighted by the stats I referred to.

Understand - and don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that Dragic is miles ahead of Hill or that he will ultimately be a far better player. I just for what the Spurs need NOW - they need a true backup PG instead of an underdeveloped combo guard.

[Mel_13]

Understand - and don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that Dragic is miles ahead of Hill or that he will ultimately be a far better player. I just for what the Spurs need NOW - they need a true backup PG instead of an underdeveloped combo guard.

No doubt that Dragic has better PG skills than Hill, but that's a very low bar to hurdle. Check the numbers, Dragic is not a true PG and, like Hill, would be the third best PG on the team.