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Winehole23
05-25-2011, 02:54 PM
How Can Congress Debate a Secret Law?









Members of Congress are about to vote to extend the most controversial provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act for four more years, even though few of them understand how those provisions are being interpreted and applied.
As members of the Senate Intelligence Committee we have been provided with the executive branch's classified interpretation of those provisions and can tell you that we believe there is a significant discrepancy between what most people - including many Members of Congress - think the Patriot Act allows the government to do and what government officials secretly believe the Patriot Act allows them to do.



Legal scholars, law professors, advocacy groups, and the Congressional Research Service have all written interpretations of the Patriot Act and Americans can read any of these interpretations and decide whether they support or agree with them. But by far the most important interpretation of what the law means is the official interpretation used by the U.S. government and this interpretation is - stunningly -classified.



What does this mean? It means that Congress and the public are prevented from having an informed, open debate on the Patriot Act because the official meaning of the law itself is secret. Most members of Congress have not even seen the secret legal interpretations that the executive branch is currently relying on and do not have any staff who are cleared to read them. Even if these members come down to the Intelligence Committee and read these interpretations themselves, they cannot openly debate them on the floor without violating classification rules.



This is not acceptable. Americans recognize that their government can better protect national security if it is sometimes allowed to operate in secret and they do not expect to know all of the details about how government agencies collect intelligence. But Americans also expect their government to operate within the boundaries of publicly-understood law. As voters they have a need and a right to understand what those boundaries are so that they can ratify or reject decisions that elected officials make on their behalf.



In a democratic society, government agencies derive their power from the public's trust - what James Madison called a "Fountain of Authority." Secret laws undermine that trust and authority, which then erodes and ultimately damages our ability to fight terrorism and protect the American people.
As we saw with the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretapping program, secret laws and programs don't stay secret forever. And when the public learns that government officials have been rewriting the law in secret, the public confidence is undermined making it harder for government agencies to function effectively. When Americans learned that the Bush Administration had been relying on secret interpretations of the law to justify warrantless wiretapping many were shocked and the result was a public backlash whose impact is still being felt today.



Yesterday, we filed an amendment (http://1.usa.gov/lXozx1), along with Senator Merkley of Oregon and Senator Udall of New Mexico (the text of which is below) stating the Sense of Congress that: "United States Government officials should not secretly reinterpret public laws and statutes in a manner that is inconsistent with the public's understanding of these laws and should not describe the execution of these laws in ways that misinforms or misleads the public."



Our amendment would require the Attorney General to make public the U.S. government's official interpretation of the Patriot Act. This would not disclose specific intelligence collection programs or activities, but it would make the boundaries of the law clear to the public, so that Americans can thoughtfully consider for themselves whether these boundaries are appropriately drawn and hold their elected officials accountable for them.
Members of Congress may have a variety of different views about the authorities granted by the USA Patriot Act, but we hope that all of our colleagues will agree that allowing government officials to write secret laws is a problem, and that being honest with the public is the only solution.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-ron-wyden/how-can-congress-debate-a_b_866920.html

LnGrrrR
05-25-2011, 03:27 PM
If our system of law is any indicator, the only possible answer is to create a brand NEW division of Congress, one that is responsible for only reviewing Secret information, and leaving the regular old Congress to do the boring budget stuff.

Winehole23
07-28-2011, 02:01 PM
Bill Would Force Intel Chief to Renounce ‘Secret Patriot Act’



By Spencer Ackerman (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/author/spencer_ackerman/) ([email protected])


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/07/3744953433_e3b523e24d_z.jpg (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/bill-would-force-intel-chief-to-rebuke-secret-patriot-act/3744953433_e3b523e24d_z/)



For months, two Senators have screamed bloody murder that the government holds a secret legal interpretation of the Patriot Act (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/) so broad that it amounts to a whole different law giving the feds massive domestic surveillance powers. Now, a measure by Sens. Ron Wyden and Mark Udall would force the U.S. intelligence chief (and, by extension, the entire intelligence community) to admit that they went too far in their Patriot Act interpretations — if they don’t find a way to wiggle out of it.


The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence meets Thursday to prepare the annual bill authorizing the U.S. intelligence agency’s operations (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/secret-senate-dragnet/). During that “mark-up” process, Wyden and Udall will ask their colleagues to include a measure compelling the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General to produce a “detailed assessment of the problems posed by the reliance of government agencies (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/07/Secret-Law-Amendment-for-IA.pdf)” (.pdf) on “interpretations of domestic surveillance authorities that are inconsistent with the understanding of such authorities by the public.” Wyden’s staff provided Danger Room with a copy of the proposed amendment.


Specifically, Attorney General Eric Holder and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper would have to produce “a plan for addressing such problems” with secret legal interpretations regarding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and the Patriot Act, the government’s two most important domestic spying laws.


The bill, though, doesn’t force Holder and Clapper to roll back those secret interpretations. They’ve just got to basically admit they’ve messed up. Even if Wyden and Udall can get their colleagues to sign on to their effort, it would be naive to think the nation’s top prosecutor and intelligence officer are so thick that they can’t find an artful way of saying they’ve done nothing wrong.



The irony is that this week, Clapper’s office conceded to the Senate panel that they have indeed been secretly re-interpreting the Patriot Act. A letter from a Clapper aide to Wyden and Udall implied as much (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/07/ODNIletter1.pdf) (.pdf), and pledged to consider making those secret interpretations public. And Tuesday, the Obama administration’s nominee to lead the National Counterterrorism Center, Matthew Olsen, acknowledged (http://www.youtube.com/senronwyden#p/u/0/DERehlOPt3I)that “some of the pleadings and opinions related to the Patriot Act” to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that approves snooping warrants “are classified.”


Olsen, who currently serves as the top lawyer for the National Security Agency, added that “similar” secret interpretations exist for the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which already expanded FISA’s scope for what some consider blanket surveillance (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/07/aclu-challenges/).


Under Wyden and Udall’s amendment, Holder and Clapper would have to deliver a public assessment to the intelligence committees in the House and Senate about the perfidies of secret surveillance law within 60 days of passage.


It’s entirely unclear whether they’ve got the votes to get their measure into the intelligence bill. Not many senators on the intelligence panel signed on to Wyden and Udall’s outrage about secret expansions of the Patriot Act when they unveiled their worries in May. A vote on sending the intel bill to the full Senate could happen as early as Thursday. Even if it passes, it’s essentially up to Holder and Clapper to decide how much wrongdoing they want to admit to in the letter.


“It is critical that officials of the United States not secretly reinterpret public laws in a manner that is inconsistent with the public’s understanding of such laws,” Wyden and Udall’s proposal reads, “and not describe the execution of such laws in a way that misinforms or misleads the public.”
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/bill-would-force-intel-chief-to-rebuke-secret-patriot-act/#more-53418

LnGrrrR
07-28-2011, 02:04 PM
Kudos to anyone trying to shine light on our byzantine legislative operators.

ElNono
07-28-2011, 02:09 PM
Two senators. Props to them. Nobody else there cares? smh

Winehole23
08-04-2011, 11:57 AM
The Senators tried to get the government to reveal some of the law’s contents (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/bill-would-force-intel-chief-to-rebuke-secret-patriot-act/), by forcing the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General to produce a report outlining when this secret surveillance has gone overboard. Yesterday, the effort failed. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (http://intelligence.senate.gov/) said no to the report by rejecting Wyden and Udall’s amendment to the FY2012 Intelligence Authorization Act.



In other words: we are all still in the dark about how the government is spying on us.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/08/senate-panel-keeps-secret-patriot-act-under-wraps/

Winehole23
08-04-2011, 12:02 PM
A related theme:


In February, numerous American Muslims and groups sued the FBI (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0223/Muslim-group-sues-FBI-over-surveillance-at-California-mosques), alleging -- based on the confessions of a former paid FBI informant -- that Muslim individuals and mosques were randomly targeted for surveillance and infiltration in violation of their First Amendment rights and rights to be free from religious discrimination. So extreme was the FBI informant's efforts to lure mosque members into Terrorist plots -- following the FBI's typical pattern (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/28/fbi) of manufacturing its own plots and then touting it success in stopping them -- that members in one of the targeted mosques actually called law enforcement authorities to report the informant for appearing dangerous and unstable.



Continue reading (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/03/various_matters/index.html)


Yesterday, the Obama DOJ responded to the lawsuit, and did so, as Josh Gerstein reports (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0811/Obama_admin_asserts_state_secrets_privilege_to_dis miss_Muslims_suit.html), by demanding dismissal based on the "state secrets" privilege -- claiming that even if they violated these Americans' religious freedoms and discriminated against them, "allowing the [claims] to be litigated would require the disclosure of sensitive national security information." The DOJ's brief (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/03/various_matters/Fazaga_Govt_MTD_Brief.pdf) repeatedly touts the threat of "homegrown terrorism" to argue that the identity of citizens whom it surveils -- and even the identity of those it does not -- are such vital "state secrets" that courts must not force Executive Branch officials to even respond to these lawsuits.



So now this secrecy doctrine is used to tell victims of alleged discrimination that their claims cannot even be heard by a court because what was done to them is a "state secret" -- even though courts possess numerous powers to safeguard actual secrets.



Yet again we see the radical perversion of the "state secrets" privilege pioneered by the Bush administration and continued in earnest by the Obama DOJ (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/expert_consensus_obama_aping_bush_on_state_secrets .php?ref=fp1) from what it began as -- a document-specific evidentiary privilege -- into sweeping immunity instrument which literally removes the President and his underlings from the rule of law (even if we broke the law, our actions are too secret to judicially scrutinize).
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/03/various_matters/index.html

boutons_deux
08-04-2011, 12:55 PM
Very similar to "we have to snoop everything, without judicial warrant, about every Human-American because of risks, threats so secret and horrible we can't tell you about them"

Winehole23
03-17-2012, 11:02 AM
For more than two years, a handful of Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee have warned that the government is secretly interpreting its surveillance powers (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/us/27patriot.html) under the Patriot Act (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/u/usa_patriot_act/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) in a way that would be alarming if the public — or even others in Congress — knew about it.

On Thursday, two of those senators — Ron Wyden (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/ron_wyden/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Oregon and Mark Udall (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/u/mark_udall/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Colorado — went further. They said a top-secret intelligence operation that is based on that secret legal theory is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained.
The Justice Department has argued that disclosing information about its interpretation of the Patriot Act could alert adversaries to how the government collects certain intelligence. It is seeking the dismissal of two Freedom of Information Act lawsuits — by The New York Times and by the American Civil Liberties Union — related to how the Patriot Act has been interpreted. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/us/politics/democratic-senators-warn-about-use-of-patriot-act.html?_r=1

spursncowboys
03-17-2012, 11:13 AM
If our system of law is any indicator, the only possible answer is to create a brand NEW division of Congress, one that is responsible for only reviewing Secret information, and leaving the regular old Congress to do the boring budget stuff.

They have a committee for that. They just need to actually do their job. Bills need to be shorter and with "common" english, instead of language needing a lawyer to understand. Language that people from Oklahoma could understand.