Derrick Rose...overrated?

[DazedAndConfused]

At this point in his career I'd say so. For all the physical gifts he has, he clearly lacks the mental aspect of the game that is needed to thrive at the highest level. The good thing is he is still young and he can learn from this experience. However, it remains to be seen if he will ever develop the killer mentality that is needed to truly be a transcendent player in this league.

This is why I never cared when Kobe shot those airballs in Utah early in his career. The fact that he had the balls and confidence in himself to take those shots is why I love Bryant as a player. His mental approach to the game is unmatched in today's league, and I think as you watch these young superstars like Durant and Rose falter in clutch moments you realize how truly great players rise to the occasion when called upon (Bryant, Ginobili, Lebron, etc.).

[Pelicans78]

MVP was the wrong choice. Lebron had the highest win shares in the league again. Rose was only 5th. Of course Rose is overrated.

[Red Hawk #21]

That kid should not have been MVP. He was exposed.

[NewcastleKEG]

So people still don't understand what the MVP means huh?

[LkrFan]

He is a good player with no help. Nothing more nothing less.

[Frenzy]

At this point in his career I'd say so. For all the physical gifts he has, he clearly lacks the mental aspect of the game that is needed to thrive at the highest level. The good thing is he is still young and he can learn from this experience. However, it remains to be seen if he will ever develop the killer mentality that is needed to truly be a transcendent player in this league.

This is why I never cared when Kobe shot those airballs in Utah early in his career. The fact that he had the balls and confidence in himself to take those shots is why I love Bryant as a player. His mental approach to the game is unmatched in today's league, and I think as you watch these young superstars like Durant and Rose falter in clutch moments you realize how truly great players rise to the occasion when called upon (Bryant, Ginobili, Lebron, etc.).

Uh I agree....uh wait did I just post that :lol



Young indeed. Rose is what 3 years in the nba now? Lebron and wade double that. Rose will be back...he just needs to pay his dues much like everyone else.

[Man In Black]

Did Rose go Westbrook or is that Westbrook went Rose?

Mensa's as Point Guards they ain't. Tom needs an O coordinator and so does Scott Brooks.

[DazedAndConfused]

I expect Rose to learn a lot from this experience, however, he desperately needs to find a jumpshot.

[Pelicans78]

Lebron was more valuable to the Heat than Rose was to the Bulls.

[Red Hawk #21]

Rose getting owned in the playoffs helps DOK's argument about PG's tbh.

[Pelicans78]

I expect Rose to learn a lot from this experience, however, he desperately needs to find a jumpshot.

He needs more than a jumpshoot. He needs to improve his passing, ball-handing, court vision, decision making, and obviously a jumpshot.

[erikuff]

I don't know. A lot of this really just has to do with his age and experience. He's so young and has so much ahead of him. Him being awarded the MVP really just doubled the pressure he already had going into the playoffs. He needs to lose some before he can win. As did with Jordan, Lebron, etc.

[benefactor]

He's just a kid. He'll bounce back.

[NASpurs]

The guy practically carried his team to the ECF. Great defensive team yet their offense is ALL Derrick Rose. What a joke of a thread.

[NewcastleKEG]

Lebron was more valuable to the Heat than Rose was to the Bulls.
What's your trolling angle with this one?

That Paul is the best PG in the league or something

[DAF86]

He is a good player with no help. Nothing more nothing less.

No help? Bulls are the best defensive team in the league, I don't think that's thanks to Rose. Why do people like to underrate defense?

[benefactor]

It's not much different than James' Cavs.

[lefty]

No

Because he doesnt have scorers around him, all Miami had to do was collapsing on him

Which explains the turnovers and missed shots

[HarlemHeat37]

It's not much different than James' Cavs.

It's the same style, as in the Bulls don't have other players that can create off the dribble, but Boozer,Deng,Noah>> anybody on those Cavs teams, at least IMO..

As for Rose, I still think he deserved MVP, based on the criteria..if it was my own opinion, I would have given it to Howard, but based on the criteria, Rose deserved it..

[Pelicans78]

What's your trolling angle with this one?

That Paul is the best PG in the league or something

Its the truth. Lebron is the best player in the league. Of course he's more valuable to his team than Rose. Lebron does everything better than Rose. He's a better PG than Rose. Rose is an undersized SG. A worse version of Iverson.

[midnightpulp]

Lol at Jeff using this topic as a way to throw in a compliment about Kobe.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bulls = one man team, has no business winning mvp...61 wins or not, they got lucky cause raptors and cavs = 8 easy wins, they won 50 games last season, do the maths

[Budkin]

Too young. Eventually he'll be great.

[Pelicans78]

It's the same style, as in the Bulls don't have other players that can create off the dribble, but Boozer,Deng,Noah>> anybody on those Cavs teams, at least IMO..

As for Rose, I still think he deserved MVP, based on the criteria..if it was my own opinion, I would have given it to Howard, but based on the criteria, Rose deserved it..

Lebron should have been regular season MVP with Howard as number two. Numbers support it.

[NewJerSpur]

He'll get better. Be interesting to see who they pair him with moving forward in the bacxkcourt.

[Pelicans78]

bulls = one man team, has no business winning mvp...61 wins or not, they got lucky cause raptors and cavs = 8 easy wins, they won 50 games last season, do the maths

And they played two crappy teams in the playoffs. Pacers and Hawks wouldn't have made the playoffs in the West.

[Darth_Pelican]

Rose needs to learn the meaning of the PG position, or he needs to be moved to SG.

[DAF86]

It's not much different than James' Cavs.

Except for the part where Lebron averaged above 30/40 ppg in 50+ FG% in the series they lost.

[NewcastleKEG]

Rose needs to learn the meaning of the PG position, or he needs to be moved to SG.
This is hilarious

The biggest complaint about the Bulls is their inability to score and you want him to what? Shoot less or something

Korver & Bogans bricked like 5 wide open 3's tonight

[benefactor]

It's the same style, as in the Bulls don't have other players that can create off the dribble, but Boozer,Deng,Noah>> anybody on those Cavs teams, at least IMO..

As for Rose, I still think he deserved MVP, based on the criteria..if it was my own opinion, I would have given it to Howard, but based on the criteria, Rose deserved it..
Noah and Sideshow Bob are almost the same player. Noah may be a little better..but not much. Boozer sucks. He's like having Kenyon Martin on your team...a bunch of empty stats but not a winner. Deng has basically played the Mo Williams role...great regular season then could not be counted on in the post season. Not saying that Williams is nearly as good as Deng...he's not...but they played similar parts on their teams in relation to regular and post season.

[Man In Black]

That was bad coaching. Rose looked fatigued late. He should have gotten a bit of a rest at the beginning of the 4th with a comfortable lead. Those 2 fouls late against Wade bit them big time and had he been rested, it's quite possible he goes face up instead of reaching in. That cost him 7 points right there and that's a primary reason they're now fishing.

[Pelicans78]

This is hilarious

The biggest complaint about the Bulls is their inability to score and you want him to what? Shoot less or something

Korver & Bogans bricked like 5 wide open 3's tonight

He took 30 shots when he's not a good enough scorer. He either drives to the basket or takes deep jumpers. He's got nothing else in his arsenal.

[lefty]

Rose needs to learn the meaning of the PG position, or he needs to be moved to SG.

Who was he going to pass the ball to?

[NewcastleKEG]

He took 30 shots when he's not a good enough scorer. He either drives to the basket or takes deep jumpers. He's got nothing else in his arsenal.
Who was he going to pass to?

[benefactor]

Except for the part where Lebron averaged above 30/40 ppg in 50+ FG% in the series they lost.
James is simply a more dominant player than rose...and James was also two/three years older than Rose and had already spent 5/6 seasons in the league.

I'm not comparing James to Rose here anyway. It's more about the situation involving each team.

[Brazil]

Who was he going to pass to?

KT the best chicago big

[Pelicans78]

Who was he going to pass to?

He doesn't have to pass. He just needs to make his shots. If he can't make it consistently, then he needs to pass it.

Really, the coaching is to blame as well for letting Rose do whatever he wanted.

[NewJerSpur]

Noah and Sideshow Bob are almost the same player. Noah may be a little better..but not much. Boozer sucks. He's like having Kenyon Martin on your team...a bunch of empty stats but not a winner. Deng has basically played the Mo Williams role...great regular season then could not be counted on in the post season. Not saying that Williams is nearly as good as Deng...he's not...but they played similar parts on their teams in relation to regular and post season.

HEY NOW, I've had my issues with K-Mart, but I don't think he deserves THAT kind of an insult :lol.


That was bad coaching. Rose looked fatigued late. He should have gotten a bit of a rest at the beginning of the 4th with a comfortable lead. Those 2 fouls late against Wade bit them big time and had he been rested, it's quite possible he goes face up instead of reaching in. That cost him 7 points right there and that's a primary reason they're now fishing.

:tu It's something I started worrying about towards the end of the 3rd and it's almost as if Thibs somehow forgot dude is human and needs to re-up. He did the most running on the floor with AND without the ball and no matter WHO you are (unless you're on roids of some sort) it's going to catch up to you.

[Reck]

No. Not him.

Bulls were overrated as a team.

[Amaso]

I admit I overrated him, claiming him to be the best player in the league before the series started even though I was just saying it to be dramatic as I've said I couldn't tell who the best player in the league is as of right now. Alot of people are going to bash him for a little bit cause he didn't have a strong series but he is a 22 yr old who is playing by himself against a 3-headed monster. It is unfair to compare him to Lebron or Dwayne Wade (even though Lebron is better and Wade is arguably better) just because they are both superstars playing next to eachother and there is so much less pressure on them than their is for Rose. Not to mention both of those guys are playing with Chris Bosh who actually had a really good series.

Point is when you have all the pressure to do EVERYTHING offensively by yourself, your overall efficiency is going to take a huge hit. Part of it is Miami's amazing defense but alot had to do with the Bulls just having no other offensive threats. They don't have any 3 point threat (Korver is negated because it's hard to get him open without an inside presence), Boozer was a no-show, and most of the time the Bulls are playing with 3 defensive specialists so they can't really do anything offensively.

Like I said, alot of people are going to overreact to Rose's efficiency this series... and it'll really separate smart basketball fans from your average fan by the reasons they give for that.

[midnightpulp]

rose needs to learn the meaning of the pg position, or he needs to be moved to sg.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Amaso]

Rose needs to learn the meaning of the PG position, or he needs to be moved to SG.

You're an idiot. Rose was given the green-light by the coach because they don't have any other offensive threats on the team. No one else can create their own shot, Boozer was supposed to be the 2nd-option for this team but he doesnt even play in the 4th quarter because he was useless on both ends of the court.

[lefty]

He doesn't have to pass. He just needs to make his shots. If he can't make it consistently, then he needs to pass it.

Really, the coaching is to blame as well for letting Rose do whatever he wanted.

The Heat collapsed on him, which is why he didnt shoot well

[Tinystarz]

Why rose didn't get a rest in the 3rd is beyond me. Dude was tired

[hitmanyr2k]

Disappointing way to end the season but nah...Rose isn't overrated. He just got wore down in the end...too much heaped on that kid's shoulders. He's a 22 year old kid with a great work ethic. Minus Boozer the future is bright for this team. Once the Bulls get a legit 2nd option who can fill in that scoring role when needed they'll be there in the end.

[HarlemHeat37]

I admit I overrated him, claiming him to be the best player in the league before the series started even though I was just saying it to be dramatic as I've said I couldn't tell who the best player in the league is as of right now. Alot of people are going to bash him for a little bit cause he didn't have a strong series but he is a 22 yr old who is playing by himself against a 3-headed monster. It is unfair to compare him to Lebron or Dwayne Wade (even though Lebron is better and Wade is arguably better) just because they are both superstars playing next to eachother and there is so much less pressure on them than their is for Rose. Not to mention both of those guys are playing with Chris Bosh who actually had a really good series.

Point is when you have all the pressure to do EVERYTHING offensively by yourself, your overall efficiency is going to take a huge hit. Part of it is Miami's amazing defense but alot had to do with the Bulls just having no other offensive threats. They don't have any 3 point threat (Korver is negated because it's hard to get him open without an inside presence), Boozer was a no-show, and most of the time the Bulls are playing with 3 defensive specialists so they can't really do anything offensively.

Like I said, alot of people are going to overreact to Rose's efficiency this series... and it'll really separate smart basketball fans from your average fan by the reasons they give for that.

:lol A Kobe fan downplaying efficiency?..never would have guessed it..

[picc84]

A one-man offense against a great defensive team, guarded by probably the best perimeter defender in the game.

What a shock he struggled.

[Amaso]

A one-man offense against a great defensive team, guarded by probably the best perimeter defender in the game.

What a shock he struggled.

Yep

[Darth_Pelican]

You're an idiot. Rose was given the green-light by the coach because they don't have any other offensive threats on the team. No one else can create their own shot, Boozer was supposed to be the 2nd-option for this team but he doesnt even play in the 4th quarter because he was useless on both ends of the court.

And what the fuck does that have to do with Rose needing to learn the PG position? If you want Rose to be the primary scorer because he doesn't have enough offensive threats, then move him to SG. The Bulls offensive flow/tempo with Rose running the point is atrocious. Yes the kid is physically gifted, and the best player on the team by far, but that has nothing to do with my statement.

[Amaso]

:lol A Kobe fan downplaying efficiency?..never would have guessed it..

Kobe and Rose's situations are 2 completely different things. They have two different styles and Kobe has a better offensive supporting cast.

[NewJerSpur]

Disappointing way to end the season but nah...Rose isn't overrated. He just got wore down in the end...too much heaped on that kid's shoulders. He's a 22 year old kid with a great work ethic. Minus Boozer the future is bright for this team. Once the Bulls get a legit 2nd option who can fill in that scoring role when needed they'll be there in the end.

As Taj develops his offensive game, it SHOULD push Boozer out the door. What a bad signing. Rose'll be back.

[Amaso]

And what the fuck does that have to do with Rose needing to learn the PG position? If you want Rose to be the primary scorer because he doesn't have enough offensive threats, then move him to SG. The Bulls offensive flow/tempo with Rose running the point is atrocious. Yes the kid is physically gifted, and the best player on the team by far, but that has nothing to do with my statement.

Do you even watch basketball?

Who would play point for the Bulls? Watson is a shoot-first PG. Rose is not a natural shoot-first PG although the if you just look at the amount of shot attempts you would think otherwise. Like I said, Rose had all of the offensive responsibility for the Bulls, unlike Lebron or Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh.

[Darth_Pelican]

Do you even watch basketball?

Who would play point for the Bulls? Watson is a shoot-first PG. Rose is not a natural shoot-first PG although the if you just look at the amount of shot attempts you would think otherwise. Like I said, Rose had all of the offensive responsibility for the Bulls, unlike Lebron or Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh.

:lmao

[lefty]

a one-man offense against a great defensive team, guarded by probably the best perimeter defender in the game.

What a shock he struggled.

this

[Amaso]

As Taj develops his offensive game, it SHOULD push Boozer out the door. What a bad signing. Rose'll be back.

Boozer is turrible. That signing is the only thing that could keep the Bulls from being perennial contenders for the next 5 years. It's going to be hard to upgrade their roster offensively because no one wants Boozer and he takes up so much cap space. Not to mention, they are going to have to up Rose's salary in a couple of years.

[Beanzamillion21]

The new AI

[hitmanyr2k]

As Taj develops his offensive game, it SHOULD push Boozer out the door. What a bad signing. Rose'll be back.

I dreaded that signing the moment I heard it. I actually screamed WHY!! :lol I've been killing Boozer on this board since '08 and his play in the playoffs illustrated why. At least he finished the season where he belonged in the first place :lol

[NewJerSpur]

boozer is turrible. That signing is the only thing that could keep the bulls from being perennial contenders for the next 5 years. It's going to be hard to upgrade their roster offensively because no one wants boozer and he takes up so much cap space. Not to mention, they are going to have to up rose's salary in a couple of years.

preach!!

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol not recruiting bron or wade...fail

[NewJerSpur]

I dreaded that signing the moment I heard it. I actually screamed WHY!! :lol I've been killing Boozer on this board since '08 and his play in the playoffs illustrated why. At least he finished the season where he belonged in the first place :lol

:lmao

[NewcastleKEG]

Oh come on. The subject of Boozer

I remember at the end of the season anaylist arguibing whether Boozer was the signing of the summer. There is no #1 record, ECF, MVP, Coach of the Year without Boozer's signing

The East might shake up even more next year, I don't know if we could have just waited for next year. There might be a lockout anyway

IMO, we had no choice with Boozer. Who were the other options?

[NewJerSpur]

Oh come on. The subject of Boozer

I remember at the end of the season anaylist arguibing whether Boozer was the signing of the summer. There is no #1 record, ECF, MVP, Coach of the Year without Boozer's signing

The East might shake up even more next year, I don't know if we could have just waited for next year. There might be a lockout anyway

IMO, we had no choice with Boozer. Who were the other options?

Don't know the Bulls financial situation, or at least what it was at the time, but Amare would've been a good look........a VERY expensive look with a team that hasn't always shelled out a lot of money but a good look nonetheless.

Boozer's not a traditional post player and relied heavily on the PnR/PnP in Utah to generate offense. The fact that Rose draws a great amount of attention on defense even on misses opens up opportunities for him to get easy putbacks and the smaller bigs Miami placed on him helped him in the rebounding department in this series. He's no 2nd option and shouldn't be looked to as such imo.

[ChrisRichards]

Rose is going to get better, I'm 100% sure of this. He's a 3rd year guard with a pretty low ball IQ at the moment so this is expected.


I said it time and time again, Rose did not deserve that MVP trophy, it wouldve been much better if they gave it to Dwight or Lebron, those two were the best players in the game.

Stupid media and their need for story.

[NewcastleKEG]

Don't know the Bulls financial situation, or at least what it was at the time, but Amare would've been a good look........a VERY expensive look with a team that hasn't always shelled out a lot of money but a good look nonetheless.

Boozer's not a traditional post player and relied heavily on the PnR/PnP in Utah to generate offense. The fact that Rose draws a great amount of attention on defense even on misses opens up opportunities for him to get easy putbacks and the smaller bigs Miami placed on him helped him in the rebounding department in this series. He's no 2nd option and shouldn't be looked to as such imo.
If I remember correctly Amare signed with the Knicks first. Boozer was the consolation for missing on Bron

Without Boozer the Bulls probably finish 3rd or 4th in the East (Remember Noah was injured for a good portion) so Bulls would have lost in the 2nd Round of the playoffs

Bulls still have 11 million free. That's a starting SG in this league.

Would picking up Richard Hamilton's contract had put them over the Heat? I don't think so

[Pelicans78]

David Lee would have been a better option over Boozer.

[NewcastleKEG]

Rose is going to get better, I'm 100% sure of this. He's a 3rd year guard with a pretty low ball IQ at the moment so this is expected.


I said it time and time again, Rose did not deserve that MVP trophy, it wouldve been much better if they gave it to Dwight or Lebron, those two were the best players in the game.

Stupid media and their need for story.
*sigh*

It's the Most VALUABLE Player award not the Best Player of the Year award

How could you give James who is teamed with Wade/Bosh/Miller and had a lesser record with many more long losing streaks, the MVP?

You could argue James was on a superior team this year and had less team wins than last year. Bulls upped' their win total by like 21

[Venti Quattro]

I'm guilty of overrating him too, but most of us would have too, considering how he led the Bulls to the ECF.

Teams like Miami give Rose fits. Speedy teams with length are his match.

[NewJerSpur]

If I remember correctly Amare signed with the Knicks first. Boozer was the consolation for missing on Bron

Without Boozer the Bulls probably finish 3rd or 4th in the East (Remember Noah was injured for a good portion) so Bulls would have lost in the 2nd Round of the playoffs

Bulls still have 11 million free. That's a starting SG in this league.

Would picking up Richard Hamilton's contract had put them over the Heat? I don't think so

They gambled on Wade and Bron rather than looking into Amare and got Boozer as a result. The Hamilton situation was stopped by Rich himself when Cleveland was about to make the deal that would have ultimately made him available after being released......he's played a similar role to the one Korver was given but has had pretty good success in the playoffs and can create his own shot at times.

The Bulls won games in the 2nd round of the playoffs against the Hawks with Boozer on the bench in the close of the 4th. Noah was injured but Asik stepped up big in that time span as well. The bigger point for Chicago moving forward will be the development of Taj imo who was removed from the starting role when Boozer came in.

[ChrisRichards]

*sigh*

It's the Most VALUABLE Player award not the Best Player of the Year award

How could you give James who is teamed with Wade/Bosh/Miller and had a lesser record with many more long losing streaks, the MVP?

You could argue James was on a superior team this year and had less team wins than last year. Bulls upped' their win total by like 21


Point taken. Lebron is not as valuable as Wade in the regular season. But I think it was a wash between Rose and Dwight though. But whatever, water under the bridge. The media loves this kid so its definitely not going to be his last like Iverson.

[stretch]

I've thought for quite a while he's been a bit overrated, much like Tony Parker when he first started to get good. Great penetrator and finisher, but cant shoot, and good teams can shut him down when neccesary.

If he develops a consistent jumper though... watch out.