Mexico's rot spreads within.

[RandomGuy]

Looks like the cartels are not limiting themselves to preying on the poor these days.

I see the reaction from the middle and upper class as giving more power to a burgeoning police state, and I don't see the police state winning against the cartels.

We have got to do something to legalize the drugs these fuckers are selling, so we can starve them of money.

The only alternative is to that we have a civil war and/or a narco-state to our south.

Special report: If Monterrey falls, Mexico falls (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110601/ts_nm/us_mexico_drugs_monterrey)

Tourism will dry up, as it is already, and oil revenue will continue to fall as production depletes reserves.

That will leave the central government increasingly bereft of legitimate revenue.

This is rapidly becoming *our* problem as well. Ignore this at your own peril.

[mouse]

Something told me back in 1978 when I had to hide that joint I was smoking from a passing teacher this will be a war of ignorance.

[boutons_deux]

"Ignore this at your own peril."

Rest assured the Warriors on (soft) Drugs aren't ingoring it. They're counting up the 10s of $Bs they, along with PIC, will pocket from the never-ending, destructive War on Drugs.

Marijuana is Schedule 1 drug? GMAFB

The unstoppable War on Drugs is another irrefutable indicator than America is irretrievably insane.

Hemp is collateral damage. If you have an hour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu7q_-R5NX0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

[Creepn]

Legalizing it seems to be the surest way to curb this thing. I don't think we are ignoring this thing, it's just that what can we do about this right now?

[boutons_deux]

"it's just that what can we do about this right now"

"we" can't do a damn thing about it.

govt does not answer to citizens or their votes, only to corporate $$$.

[mingus]

i'm all for legalizing pot. cocaine, heroin and all the other hard drugs no way.

[boutons_deux]

Anybody got the stats on how many killed by marijuana, or other disabilites?

Here's some stats on "legal" shit:

http://www.losethebackpain.com/mostdangerouspainmedications2.html

[boutons_deux]

Former world leaders say decriminalizing marijuana worth trying

NEW YORK — A group of prominent former world leaders said Wednesday the so-called war on drugs has "failed" and that decriminalizing marijuana may help curb drug-related violence and social ills.

"The global war on drugs has failed, with devastating consequences for individuals and societies around the world," the members of the Global Commission on Drug Policy say in a report.

"Fifty years after the initiation of the UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, and 40 years after President (Richard) Nixon launched the US government's war on drugs, fundamental reforms in national and global drug control policies are urgently needed."

And saying that restrictions on marijuana should be loosened, the report urged governments to "end the criminalization, marginalization and stigmatization of people who use drugs but who do no harm to others."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/02/former-world-leaders-say-decriminalizing-marijuana-worth-trying/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

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One megalomaniac, power-hungry man in the USA, in 1937, pushed other countries to make marijuana illegal. Quite an amazing story.

Harry Anslinger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger

[TeyshaBlue]

Looks like the cartels are not limiting themselves to preying on the poor these days.

I see the reaction from the middle and upper class as giving more power to a burgeoning police state, and I don't see the police state winning against the cartels.

We have got to do something to legalize the drugs these fuckers are selling, so we can starve them of money.

The only alternative is to that we have a civil war and/or a narco-state to our south.

Special report: If Monterrey falls, Mexico falls (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110601/ts_nm/us_mexico_drugs_monterrey)

Tourism will dry up, as it is already, and oil revenue will continue to fall as production depletes reserves.

That will leave the central government increasingly bereft of legitimate revenue.

This is rapidly becoming *our* problem as well. Ignore this at your own peril.


I'm firmly in the legalization camp, but does anyone really believe that putting the hurt on the drug trade will curb the cartels? They're the fucking mafia reborn. They'll just move on to another opportunity as many of them already have.

[boutons_deux]

Besides trafficking sex slaves, immigrants, drugs, what else are the drug cartels doing?

[TeyshaBlue]

The article mentioned a rise in truck hijackings and theft. They've infiltrated local government to the point where they can pretty much do as they please. Oil, which they've also been stealing for years, would be a pretty lucrative target.

[Winehole23]

http://gme-ada.grolier.com/media/093/ml16.jpg

[Winehole23]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/Pershing-camp_crop.png/208px-Pershing-camp_crop.png

[LnGrrrR]

Mexico is a good argument for why America should have safety nets for the lower members of society.

[TDMVPDPOY]

its simple all you need is change ur currency from paper to polyester knotes, and you will see all these crims trying to exchange there US currency paper notes to the polyester notes...

[Wild Cobra]

Mexico is a good argument for why America should have safety nets for the lower members of society.
Safety nets, yes. Hammocks, no.

[boutons_deux]

Hammocks? GFY

The capitalists have fucked the economy, the jobs aren't there, and the US safety net is the weakest of all industrial countries. WC is an economic/social Darwinist.

[DarkReign]

I'm firmly in the legalization camp, but does anyone really believe that putting the hurt on the drug trade will curb the cartels? They're the fucking mafia reborn. They'll just move on to another opportunity as many of them already have.

I would fancy a guess and say drugs makes up a super-majority of their revenue stream. I'd peg it at over 70%.

If that revenue stream is removed, their size, scope and influence would plummet exponentially.

Would they still exist? Of course, but they would be highly sought after criminals by their own government and governments the world around. No more rolling caravans through the streets in a show of power, they wouldnt have the money and finances to buy every Federali and police station stretching from south Mexico to the border, from the Gulf to mid-longitude.

[Wild Cobra]

Hammocks? GFY

The capitalists have fucked the economy, the jobs aren't there, and the US safety net is the weakest of all industrial countries. WC is an economic/social Darwinist.

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

capitalism has become a part of democracy. Now I agree some laws are bad governing corporations, capitalists are only doing what anyone does. Make best use of the laws.

[TE]

Mexico has become a shit hole.

About five months ago, there was an incident in which the cartels (Zetas) overtook an entire community I'm familiar with for purposes of drug trafficking. They are ruthless.

[baseline bum]

I'm firmly in the legalization camp, but does anyone really believe that putting the hurt on the drug trade will curb the cartels? They're the fucking mafia reborn. They'll just move on to another opportunity as many of them already have.

I think so. Moving the drug trade, the sex trade, and gambling out from being swept under the rug and into the open where its negative consequences can be better controlled seems like a pretty good idea to me. The mafia will always exist for things like lending money and such, but you take away those three enormous sources of income and they'll lose a lot of power.

[LnGrrrR]

My wife's family won't even visit their family ranch in Nueva Leon (sp?) for fear of these assholes.

[Wild Cobra]

Mexico has become a shit hole.

About five months ago, there was an incident in which the cartels (Zetas) overtook an entire community I'm familiar with for purposes of drug trafficking. They are ruthless.
I'd say we would have been better off using those 112 cruise missiles (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174977) on Mexico than Libya. Not only did Libya have a better quality of life for their citizens, but less murders. On top of that, Mexico's problems are spilling over to our nation. Libya's wasn't.

[ElNono]

Plus Mexico has lots of oil and it's closer to us...

[baseline bum]

The most compelling reason to send cruise missles into Mexico is so WC will have lots of targets to shoot at when Mexicans flee north to escape the attacks on their cities.

[ElNono]

Are brown surgeons ok?

[Wild Cobra]

The most compelling reason to send cruise missles into Mexico is so WC will have lots of targets to shoot at when Mexicans flee north to escape the attacks on their cities.
Did I say I advocated such action?

Hell no.

My point was that we have more reason that affects our nation to use cruise missiles on Mexico than we do Libya.