Is fundamental hoop strategy gone?

[Fabbs]

Chokelahoma City has a huge lead on the Mavs. I know, lets shoot long jumpers and never drive to the hoop the last 9 minutes.

Miami is up 15 with 7 minutes to go. Lets shoot nonstop jumpers and not take it to the rack once.

After Dallas comes all the way back to lead by three with only 26 seconds left, the only way they can fall behind is by giving up a 3 pointer. I know, lets us (Dallas) fail to cover Chalmers in the corner (by 15 feet) so he can hit a wide open 3.

Spurs in Game 1 vs Memphis are up 3 with less then 24 seconds to play. Likewise, they can only surrender the lead by giving up a 3. Even if Memphis hits a two, the Spurs will get the last shot and worst case scenario is overtime at home. Veteran of 3 rings Tony Parker leaves him man and thus Hood Rat Tony Allen is open by 15 feet for the wide open 3.



Fundamental hoop. Will we ever see it again with spoiled NBA Meism players?
Or is this just the way it goes from here on out?

[Axe Murderer]

kill yourself

[Giuseppe]

Fabbs, with a cogent post?

Dogs & cats must be living together.

[Fabbs]

Fabbs, with a cogent post?

Dogs & cats must be living together.
Finals 2009.
Orlando Magic ahead 87-84 with 5 seconds left vs the L.A. Collusionists. Can foul, anything except giving up a trey gives Orlando a critical 2-2 tie. Instead, Jameer Nelson backs up, retreating inside the three point line to give Dereek Swisher more room to launch a trey. :lmao Orlando loses in OT.

Now this one could have been fixed, but it also could have been more of the lacking strategy.

[DMC]

Two words: Tracy McGrady

[Giuseppe]

Finals 2009.
Orlando Magic ahead 87-84 with 5 seconds left vs the L.A. Collusionists. Can foul, anything except giving up a trey gives Orlando a critical 2-2 tie. Instead, Jameer Nelson backs up, retreating inside the three point line to give Dereek Swisher more room to launch a trey. :lmao Orlando loses in OT.

Now this one could have been fixed, but it also could have been more of the lacking strategy.

What the Hell, I'll bite:::

You're right. But, there used to be a sure fire mechanism that brought to light these rank strategy failures and subsequent catastrophic results:::Media. Media would call ass without regard to team, or, player, thus scoring a path for management to call ass....& vice versa.

That practice ended a number of years ago as teams started buying up newspapers and attributed media in their sphere of influence. We never got that memo because it wasn't prudent for it to be seen in the light of day. It stinks to high heaven at gross examination.

Too much money at stake, Fabbs, to be derided in media.

It's akin to giving all these grade schoolers those bumper stickers stating they're an honor student. Nobody, NOBODY wants to lose. There is no "money" in it.

[JamStone]

As for Miami jacking up jumper after jumper in the final 7 minutes, couple of things I saw. The Mavericks started to press full court. Wasn't a frenzied, all out press. But it did slow up the Heat bringing up the ball some. And that in turn got them into their offense very late. And Dallas did also play very solid to prevent the Heat from attacking the basket too quickly. Then several times the ball just ended up at the top of the key late in the shot clock. That's where quite a few of those long jumpers came from. That doesn't mean the Heat still couldn't attack the basket, but Dallas did have something to do with it. And also, as a lot of the press conference questions pointed out last night, Wade hardly saw the basketball at the end of the game. One of the few times I can remember was after an out of bounds play and he got it with the shot clock winding down too and had to jack up a long three pointer.

I don't think the Chalmers three pointer in the corner Dallas gave up was part of any strategy or philosophy. I think it was Jason Terry's stupidity and laziness not to stick OR Jason Kidd's inattentiveness not to switch once Terry did. Either way, it was more about poor execution defensively than it was abandoning a strategy. I'm sure the Mavs didn't huddle up and say, "let's give up a wide open three pointer in the corner."

You can have a sound strategy but just not execute it well.

[Fabbs]

What the Hell, I'll bite:::

You're right. But, there used to be a sure fire mechanism that brought to light these rank strategy failures and subsequent catastrophic results:::Media. Media would call ass without regard to team, or, player, thus scoring a path for management to call ass....& vice versa.

That practice ended a number of years ago as teams started buying up newspapers and attributed media in their sphere of influence. We never got that memo because it wasn't prudent for it to be seen in the light of day. It stinks to high heaven at gross examination.

Too much money at stake, Fabbs, to be derided in media.

It's akin to giving all these grade schoolers those bumper stickers stating they're an honor student. Nobody, NOBODY wants to lose. There is no "money" in it.
Could not agree with you more. :toast
Not only during the game but afterwords when **analists** have nothing but time to properly give input.

[Giuseppe]

I think it was Jason Terry's stupidity and laziness not to stick OR Jason Kidd's inattentiveness not to switch once Terry did. Either way, it was more about poor execution defensively than it was abandoning a strategy. I'm sure the Mavs didn't huddle up and say, "let's give up a wide open three pointer in the corner."

It was a reckless, albeit calculated risk by Terry. A maverick move (if you will) by a player on the edge of supreme victory trying to force a result against the grain. I'm sure in his heart he thought himself wise (even righteous, even perhaps entitled) to attempt such.

[Fabbs]

I don't think the Chalmers three pointer in the corner Dallas gave up was part of any strategy or philosophy. I think it was Jason Terry's stupidity and laziness not to stick OR Jason Kidd's inattentiveness not to switch once Terry did. Either way, it was more about poor execution defensively than it was abandoning a strategy. I'm sure the Mavs didn't huddle up and say, "let's give up a wide open three pointer in the corner."

You can have a sound strategy but just not execute it well.
Ok fine. Or put another way, stupid strategy by individual player.

I still see team after NBA team ahead by 3 with less then 30 seconds to go and they don't guard the 3 point line. Stoopid! Maybe you have to have a guy or two inside the arc so as not to get whistled for defensive tech. Otherwise stop the trey.

[DMC]

Ok fine. Or put another way, stupid strategy by individual player.

I still see team after NBA team ahead by 3 with less then 30 seconds to go and they don't guard the 3 point line. Stoopid! Maybe you have to have a guy or two inside the arc so as not to get whistled for defensive tech. Otherwise stop the trey.
It's all about BB IQ. Coaches have it, many many players do not. Players have to execute, Coaches can only watch.

[Fabbs]

It's all about BB IQ. Coaches have it, many many players do not. Players have to execute, Coaches can only watch.
Stan Van Grunty said his bad decision "will haunt him forever".
Grunty had ordered his team not to foul.
Ahead by 3, Lakers inbounding full court with 7 seconds to go. By the time Derek Swisher gets the ball the clock is winding down.

Jameer Nelson nonetheless shares in the moronicy by backing up and giving Swisher in a sense a free unmolested three attempt.

[Giuseppe]

There was another one this playoff season. I can't remember the teams involved, but, there was a 3 point lead with just enough time for the one possession, one heave at the hoop for a 3. Was this in the Spurs/Memphis series? Anyway the stupid asses send their big men along with the other teams big men down into the paint while the remainder fan out on the arc.:rolleyes It was incredible.

There is no recognition by coaches. And there is no accountability.