REAL TALK: Who is the bigger coattail rider? Kobe or LeBron?

[BRHornet45]

Sons real talk who is the bigger coattail rider? Kobe aka Milli Vanilli aka The Rapist for riding both Shaq and Gasol's success or LeBron aka LeRobin aka LeBrick for riding Wade's success?

[4>0rings]

There is not enough evidence to accuse LeBron since he still hasn't won, so defnitely Kobe.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

withstanding.

tee, hee.

[Bill_Brasky]

Probably every poster on ST for bandwagoning your 'sons' schtick.

[Giuseppe]

This is the NBA Forum, Bill.

[Bill_Brasky]

This is the NBA Forum, Bill.

Don't call Kori a liar like that.

[DMC]

This is the NBA Forum, Bill.

You are on a tick on a dog. You are still on a dog.

[NRHector]

Tired old shit bag #2 (Kobe)

[endrity]

Kobe for sure. He has three rings that every other decent wing player would have won with Shaq during those years. Can't accuse LeBron for that yet, son!

[JamStone]

LeBron.

The Lakers traded for Kobe in that draft and paired him up with Shaq that same summer. Once Kobe's ego got too big to stay in Shaq's shadow, Kobe revolted and helped usher Shaq out of LA so he could be the top dog.

LeBron willingly and voluntarily chose to take his talents to Miami to finally have a chance to win a ring. Because LeBron willingly and voluntarily chose to coattail while Kobe got sick of coattailing, I think LeBron is the bigger one.

[joshdaboss]

LeBron.

The Lakers traded for Kobe in that draft and paired him up with Shaq that same summer. Once Kobe's ego got too big to stay in Shaq's shadow, Kobe revolted and helped usher Shaq out of LA so he could be the top dog.

LeBron willingly and voluntarily chose to take his talents to Miami to finally have a chance to win a ring. Because LeBron willingly and voluntarily chose to coattail while Kobe got sick of coattailing, I think LeBron is the bigger one.

And what happened when Kobe got sick of coattailing and Shaq left? He missed the playoffs entirely and was out in the first round. It was only until he had another elite big man to coattail that he made any noise in the playoffs.

[JamStone]

In my opinion, you're not coattailing if you're the top dog on the team.

Point is with Shaq, it wasn't Kobe's decision to play with him. It was the Lakers' front office. With LeBron, he chose to go to Wade's team to coattail.

[pass1st]

Kobe was a necessity on the Lakers, Shaq got into foul trouble often and needed a good player outside the paint. Kobe had a pretty solid role on his team, he knew his job until around 03.

LBJ joining the Heat with Bosh was a pretty straightforward attempt to get an easy ride to the championships.

[NRHector]

Kobe was a necessity on the Lakers, Shaq got into foul trouble often and needed a good player outside the paint. Kobe had a pretty solid role on his team, he knew his job until around 03.

LBJ joining the Heat with Bosh was a pretty straightforward attempt to get an easy ride to the championships.:huh :pimpslap

[Axe Murderer]

Pop and his PollyAnna Poppers.
"Got to go with Mike Finley, Matt Bonner and Dick Jefferson at the SF/PF combo." Extend them all, pay out the ass.
"He's won 4 titles you know." (Never mind 7-14 since he started dating Finley with two first round ousters and swept).

Joel Anthony doin 29 minutes a game in this seasons Heat playoffs. Probably gonna be a title. But but but.....they can't win with a tall with no hands, right? For you Pop Parrots who are gonna come in with his offensive stats, they don't keep stats for "Opposing team decided not to try to take it to the rack since tall D presense was there".

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Rasho Nest (lesser extent)
Fabs Oberto

[TE]

How is this even a question? Lebron hasn't won shit. Kobe with his 2 and half championships is the biggest coattail rider in the history of the NBA.

Until Lebron wins a ring with his current buddies, he'll enter this conversation.

[pass1st]

:huh :pimpslap

:stupid:

[TE]

How is this even a question? Lebron hasn't won shit. Kobe with his 2 and half championships is the biggest coattail rider in the history of the NBA.

Until Lebron wins a ring with his current buddies, he'll enter this conversation.

Listen to my Kobe hate. :lmao

[DAF86]

Kobe was a necessity on the Lakers, Shaq got into foul trouble often and needed a good player outside the paint. Kobe had a pretty solid role on his team, he knew his job until around 03.

LBJ joining the Heat with Bosh was a pretty straightforward attempt to get an easy ride to the championships.

I would like to refute that with:


Kobe for sure. He has three rings that every other decent wing player would have won with Shaq during those years. Can't accuse LeBron for that yet, son!

Which leads me to this thought: Would have a Shaq/Manu tandem won more rings that a Shaq/Kobe one? I'm pretty sure that LA would have still won the three that they won and we know there wouldn't have been any ego problems between O'neal and Ginobili, so Manu would have gotten out of Shaq's way in '04 and Superman wouldn't have left LA after that year.

Manu > Kobe

[Giuseppe]

And what happened when Kobe got sick of coattailing and Shaq left?

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[RsxPiimp]

Stop being such a faggot BR, you're irrelevant in this forum nowadays.

[Magua]

There is not enough evidence to accuse LeBron since he still hasn't won, so defnitely Kobe.


And what happened when Kobe got sick of coattailing and Shaq left? He missed the playoffs entirely and was out in the first round. It was only until he had another elite big man to coattail that he made any noise in the playoffs.


Stop being such a faggot BR, you're irrelevant in this forum nowadays.

Once the greyname is dead Magua will eat out their heart.

[BRHornet45]

Stop being such a faggot BR, you're irrelevant in this forum nowadays.

Lol mad newbie fan

[RsxPiimp]

Lol mad newbie fan

That's the best you can do? What a sad life you have. Don't pull that trigger, there's always hope :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Laker fan disguised as a Spurs fan calling somebody out..

[RsxPiimp]

:lol Laker fan disguised as a Spurs fan calling somebody out..

You're a waste of skin Harlem. 18,000 posts and youre still trying so hard to get validation from people you don't know :lol

[RsxPiimp]

:lol @ you stooping down to my level

Bitch made. Why don't you go out there and get a real job. Make sure you bring your Medal with you :lol

[dunkman]

Kobe, he surrendered without trying with the Hornets, few NBA rookies have such lack of faith in their skills.

LeBron at least tried with the Cavs.

[RsxPiimp]

Still viewing this thread HarlemHeat37.



you must be really bothered by my comments :lmao

[Giuseppe]

Kobe, he surrendered without trying with the Hornets, few NBA rookies have such lack of faith in their skills.

LeBron at least tried with the Cavs.

Thank Christ. It's a business. It's life. Life ain't fair.

Kobe told Stern how it was gonna bePERIOD

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Kobe, he surrendered without trying with the Hornets, few NBA rookies have such lack of faith in their skills.

LeBron at least tried with the Cavs.

Spurs new marketing slogan

http://jackiemanuelsposse.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/spurs.jpg

Thank Christ. It's a business. It's life. Life ain't fair.

Kobe told Stern how it was gonna bePERIOD

:lol My Nigga!

[ezau]

Lebron obviously

[DMC]

Spurs new marketing slogan

http://jackiemanuelsposse.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/spurs.jpg


:lol My Nigga!

Actually it's this:

http://www.t-shirt-mania.com/tshirt-hell-pictures/FUCKING-CLASSY.gif

[LkrFan]

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nut grabbing, flopping as Chris Paul: 0

withstanding.

tee, hee.

FIFY. :lol

[BRHornet45]

Duncan - 2 (1999 was a scrimmage-like season that no one counts, 2007 was Manu & Parker's team)

Kobe - 1 (.5 credit for 2009 & 2010 as co-leader with Gasol, no credit for riding Shaq)

[LkrFan]

Duncan - 2 (1999 was a scrimmage-like season that no one counts, 2007 was Manu & Parker's team)

Kobe - 1 (.5 credit for 2009 & 2010 as co-leader with Gasol, no credit for riding Shaq)

:downspin: that shit BR. :downspin: that shiiitttt!!

:lol

[BRHornet45]

:downspin: that shit BR. :downspin: that shiiitttt!!

:lol

well son its the honest truth. Kobe has never once in his career been a clear choice as the team's leader or even the team's best player.

oh and in 2007 Tim Duncan was basically Catwoman while Manu was Robin and Parker was Batman.

[Banzai]

Lebron.

[Venti Quattro]

LeBron copied Kobe's coat-tailing schtick when he teamed up with Shaq

:lol approving trade for a washed-up Shaq

[pass1st]

He figured if it worked for Wade it would work for him, except Wade was actually a pretty good leader

[Amaso]

well son its the honest truth. Kobe has never once in his career been a clear choice as the team's leader or even the team's best player.

oh and in 2007 Tim Duncan was basically Catwoman while Manu was Robin and Parker was Batman.

truer words have never been spoken

[ALVAREZ6]

LeBron copied Kobe's coat-tailing schtick when he teamed up with Shaq

:lol approving trade for a washed-up Shaq
Lebron attempted to coattail by allowing old, washed up useless Shaq to come to town?


He figured if it worked for Wade it would work for him, except Wade was actually a pretty good leader
lmao I'm not gonna comment on the leader part, but you guys do realize that was 2006 Shaq, right? You also realize Lebron played with him just 1 year ago...the year before Shaq became the most pathetic washed up 3 minute per game during 20% of the season and 0% playoff playing coattailling douche right? (instead of simply just a massive rotting pile of useless shit)

Jesus, Shaq's past attempt with the Celts was exponentially more pathetic than Karl Malone and Gary Payton joining the Lakers.

[joshdaboss]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest

[Giuseppe]

Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[ElNono]

I approve of this thread, tbh... keep it up son :tu

[dunkman]

Should have Kobe won the first ever 4 championships for the Hornets being the batman, he could compare with Duncan.

However, he picked to play for the Lakers and the Lakers only (as he could coattail prime Shaq, in addition to some "marginal" players in their prime too: Van Excel, Eddie Jones, Cevallos and Campbell).

[100%duncan]

Real Talk: 4 RIngs

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

LeBitch, no doubt! He was a choker in Cleveland, and took his roody poo, candy ass to South Beach, and forever enslaved himself as Wade's bitch. While Kobe just had Shaq's ass shipped off. Kobe would have never done that, nuh uh, not on my watch

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

The more I thnk about it, this "coattailing to rings" argument is stupid. Yeah, I have bought into it before, but if you look closely, it all seems to point to an attempt to reduce one player's accomplishments, Kobe. Now that LeBron is being considered a "Robin" he gets labeled such.

Of course the Lakers faded when Shaq left, everyone knows they were a two man team. Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades anyway. If you have the stats, the rings fit. Do Magic and Kareem get thir rings devalued for needing each other? Of course they don't. Larry Bird needed McHale and Parish. Bill Russell won 11 rings with a stacked lineup, year after year...far more stacked than any teams in NBA history, especially relative to the entire league. Had Bill played for the Pistons, he would be ringless and forgotten.

The two most individually dominating players in NBA history are Jordan and Chamberlain. LeBron will join them if he keeps his stats and game effort going another 5 years or so. It won't matter how he gets his rings. It won't matter if he gets only 2 or 3, he will be in the conversation.

Anyone who can't see that LeBron is on track to join MJ and Wilt as the most individually talented players to ever play the game is an idiot. He just needs to play the next few years on a similar par to what he has had already. Even if he never rings, he will be up near the top. Just not yet. He's too young. Longevity is all he needs, that will prove he can sustain what he has shown already. He won't need to get more than 5 rings to pass Kobe, or join MJ conversations. Wilt has only 2, and he's up there, where he rightfully belongs.

[JamStone]

Should have Kobe won the first ever 4 championships for the Hornets being the batman, he could compare with Duncan.

However, he picked to play for the Lakers and the Lakers only (as he could coattail prime Shaq, in addition to some "marginal" players in their prime too: Van Excel, Eddie Jones, Cevallos and Campbell).

Just for clarification, Jerry West traded for Kobe's draft rights on July 1, 1996. Shaq signed with the Lakers as a free agent on July 18, 1996. Kobe may have only wanted to be a Laker. But even if he forced the trade to the Lakers, it was before Shaq was a Laker.

[Giuseppe]

Should have Kobe won the first ever 4 championships for the Hornets being the batman, he could compare with Duncan.

Nonetheless, I'll compare 'em anyway, dunky:::

Kobe: 5

tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Just like that.