The Spurs are good...

[dabol]

BUT yesterday's game which was a good one and the Spurs did do a good job overall showed me "How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?" He is good at what he does but some of those plays which turned the momentum were sparked by those miscalls. I saw almost 5 drives where he initiated the contact but got the foul. Sometimes he gets people to leave their feet but if no one leaves their feet they cant keep giving him that call. He is a terrific actor with the flop he does nevetheless none of the greats, MJ, MAGIC, BIRD etc had to thrive off a flop which alot of players nowadays do consistenly. I think referees need to call that offensive foul sometimes on him or even keep their whistles in their pockets because he is getting away with murder!!!

[E20]

He flops too much.

[duncan_21]

BUT yesterday's game which was a good one and the Spurs did do a good job overall showed me "How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?" I saw almost 5 drives where he initiated the contact but got the foul. I think referees need to call that offensive foul sometimes on him because he is getting away with murder.

Didn't you watch the finals last year? I believe kobe gets those calls as well. So do alot of so called "nba superstars"

[nbascribe]

Dabol he's not doing anything different than what Rip Hamilton is doing and if you are playing out of position on the defensive end, you won't get the offensive foul call.

Notice how the Spurs TOOK the blows squared up on the Pistons? That's how you draw offensive foul calls.

[samikeyp]

"How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?"

Damn..you found out. The refs are in cahoots with Manu...they are giving him those calls on purpose! :rolleyes

[NoMoneyDown]

How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?"

He paid the refs off. Really. Honestly. :angel

[HULKAROCK]

~True that

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[dabol]

Hey duncan_21, Yeah Kobe might get that call although I think not but thats surely not Kobe's total game. Manu thrives off that call and gets to the line more than deserved. I wish some of these analysts point that out because its becoming absurd the way he gets that particular call....On other levels his game is nice...

[New Drebly032]

BUT yesterday's game which was a good one and the Spurs did do a good job overall showed me "How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?" He is good at what he does but some of those plays which turned the momentum were sparked by those miscalls. I saw almost 5 drives where he initiated the contact but got the foul. Sometimes he gets people to leave their feet but if no one leaves their feet they cant keep giving him that call. He is a terrific actor with the flop he does nevetheless none of the greats, MJ, MAGIC, BIRD etc had to thrive off a flop which alot of players nowadays do consistenly. I think referees need to call that offensive foul sometimes on him or even keep their whistles in their pockets because he is getting away with murder!!!


If you don't think MJ ever flopped, then you haven't ever watched basketball lol.

[duncan_21]

Hey duncan_21, Yeah Kobe might get that call although I think not but thats surely not Kobe's total game. Manu thrives off that call and gets to the line more than deserved. I wish some of these analysts point that out because its becoming absurd the way he gets that particular call....On other levels his game is nice...

Kobe gets to the line just as much as manu does with the bullshit calls he gets. Neither guy thrives off those calls, that's just ignorant. Manu is awesome, he flops because otherwise on plays where he gets fouled he wouldn't get the call.

He gets more punishment then he gets called fouls.

[dabol]

You cant say that MJ's total game was a flop....He busted ass period...when he got a call he deserved it...now on the other hand ginobili didnt deserve all of those trips to the line....He goes through the lane initiates contact then fades away....It is very obvious what he does....and all I said was that the greats dont "THRIVE" off the flop....

[New Drebly032]

You cant say that MJ's total game was a flop....He busted ass period...when he got a call he deserved it...now on the other hand ginobili didnt deserve all of those trips to the line....He goes through the lane initiates contact then fades away....It is very obvious what he does....and all I said was that the greats dont "THRIVE" off the flop....


i agree with you about Manu, i'm a Pistons fan, but the game was pretty even overall they called a good game other than maybe 2 calls they blew. They let the teams play and that was fun basketball to watch. Our boys will be ready Sunday no worries.

[HULKAROCK]

Kobe gets to the line just as much as manu does with the bullshit calls he gets. Neither guy thrives off those calls, that's just ignorant. Manu is awesome, he flops because otherwise on plays where he gets fouled he wouldn't get the call.

He gets more punishment then he gets called fouls.

Manu's name should be SHAMOO, he flops so much,.,

[Solid D]

BUT yesterday's game which was a good one and the Spurs did do a good job overall showed me "How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?" I saw almost 5 drives where he initiated the contact but got the foul. I think referees need to call that offensive foul sometimes on him because he is getting away with murder.

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[dabol]

duncan_21,

When kobe goes to the line he either gets people to leave their feet or he is in the air...Im not a huge Kobe fan so thats all i gotta say about that but watch manu's highlights and they all are him leaning in and drawing the foul even when the defensive player doesnt leave their feet....if u know basketball u should know that the offensive player can't initiate contact and if so its an offensive foul

[SouthernFried]

Yes..the REF's are all against the Pistons. Manu is getting calls even more than MJ!! The world just hates Detroit. I think BEN shoulda just slugged the ref and got it over with. Christ, 1 or 2 calls...and the game woulda been different...and I'll show you for fact in an "in depth" analysis of that foul. Manu is getting STAR treatment!

It ain't FAIR!!

When did Pistons fans start sounding like Denver and Sonics fans?

[IamJacksJersey]

boo-hoo.

[New Drebly032]

Yes..the REF's are all against the Pistons. Manu is getting calls even more than MJ!! The world just hates Detroit. I think BEN shoulda just slugged the ref and got it over with. Christ, 1 or 2 calls...and the game woulda been different. Manu is getting STAR treatment!

It ain't FAIR!!

When did Pistons fans start sounding like Denver and Sonics fans?


I'm not i thought the game was called evenly, the Heat series wasnt, but so far this wasnt too bad. Maybe like 1-2 calls but thats it.

[nkdlunch]

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[dabol]

All Im saying is that he did that for a while now and wondered if I was the only one who thought that....and no one is whining here just pointing out something... I said the game was good overall in my first post but just seeing some adjustments so that it will be better....

[New Drebly032]

All Im saying is that he did that for a while now and wondered if I was the only one who thought that....and no one is whining here just pointing out something... I said the game was good overall in my first post but just seeing some adjustments so that it will be better....


bottom line, we'll get the calls at home and theyll get the calls at home, and we have no power to change their minds so theres nothing we can do, just let the games be played. no one is whining though lol

[nkdlunch]

all great players know how to initiate contact and get calls. Reggie, Jordan, etc.

[WalterBenitez]

BUT yesterday's game which was a good one and the Spurs did do a good job overall showed me "How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?" He is good at what he does but some of those plays which turned the momentum were sparked by those miscalls. I saw almost 5 drives where he initiated the contact but got the foul. Sometimes he gets people to leave their feet but if no one leaves their feet they cant keep giving him that call. He is a terrific actor with the flop he does nevetheless none of the greats, MJ, MAGIC, BIRD etc had to thrive off a flop which alot of players nowadays do consistenly. I think referees need to call that offensive foul sometimes on him or even keep their whistles in their pockets because he is getting away with murder!!!

Here we go again!!! :depressed

[NeoConIV]

I'm not i thought the game was called evenly, the Heat series wasnt, but so far this wasnt too bad. Maybe like 1-2 calls but thats it.

Whew. Thanks for that.

Next thing you know we're gonna have to put an * next to the Larry O'Brien if we win it.


*Blown call in game 1, block should have been charge, changed momentum. Spurs go on to win series.





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[jochhejaam]

Jeff Van Gundy said he talked to an "official" no longer in the league and he was told by this "official" that "charging will absolutely not be called on gnoboli" :lol

[ambchang]

You cant say that MJ's total game was a flop....He busted ass period...when he got a call he deserved it...now on the other hand ginobili didnt deserve all of those trips to the line....He goes through the lane initiates contact then fades away....It is very obvious what he does....and all I said was that the greats dont "THRIVE" off the flop....


I agree, Manu's total game was based on flops. The finger roll-turned dunk he had? No way he would have made that if it was a flop, and that and-1 he got after Hamilton fouled him? If he didn't flop, the ball wouldn't have went through the hoop. Oh, and all those rebounds he got, he actually was trying to flop, and accidentally fall to the direction of the ball. Oh shit, I am not making sense now ....
BTW, thanks for comparing Manu to MJ in terms of the ability to draw fouls.

[ambchang]

Manu's name should be SHAMOO, he flops so much,.,
Amen brother.
BTW, I heard Ben Wallace is getting his inner ears checked, he fall down a lot. Must be some kind of infection.

[dabol]

re-read my first post then someone's response....please manu is not that good...dont flatter urself...lol

[vanvannen]

Dabol. Did you watch the stats sheet? Manu attempted 4 foul shot. FOUR. That means 2 defensive fouls called on Detroit. TWO freaking fouls.
If you are bitter about the call on Big Ben, then I agree with you, I think it was an offensive foul. Otherwise, your take is plain stupid.

[SouthernFried]

Yes...Manu sucks. I think you should just ignore him next game...he just aint that good.

Don't worry...be happy.

[ambchang]

duncan_21,

When kobe goes to the line he either gets people to leave their feet or he is in the air...Im not a huge Kobe fan so thats all i gotta say about that but watch manu's highlights and they all are him leaning in and drawing the foul even when the defensive player doesnt leave their feet....if u know basketball u should know that the offensive player can't initiate contact and if so its an offensive foul

If you know basketball then you should also know that a defensive player has to allow the offensive player a spot to land.
BTW, Manu flopped so damned much, he went to the line a whopping FOUR times (including the technical FT on Big Ben). I mean, when was the last time you saw a player shoot 4 freaking FTs in a game? No way anybody gets that kind of trips without some serious flopping.

[WalterBenitez]

so what?, Manu even flops when he sleeps?

[spurster]

The Spurs had 1 more FT than the Pistons, which proves beyond a doubt that the refs gave it to the Spurs. That extra FT was the turning point!

[sa_butta]

re-read my first post then someone's response....please manu is not that good...dont flatter urself...lolHe was a rebound away from a double double and took over the fourth quater. Any Pistons near a double double, anyone, anyone.
NBA All Star
Nike Baller of the Year
:stfu :owned

[Useruser666]

BUT yesterday's game which was a good one and the Spurs did do a good job overall showed me "How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?" He is good at what he does but some of those plays which turned the momentum were sparked by those miscalls. I saw almost 5 drives where he initiated the contact but got the foul. Sometimes he gets people to leave their feet but if no one leaves their feet they cant keep giving him that call. He is a terrific actor with the flop he does nevetheless none of the greats, MJ, MAGIC, BIRD etc had to thrive off a flop which alot of players nowadays do consistenly. I think referees need to call that offensive foul sometimes on him or even keep their whistles in their pockets because he is getting away with murder!!!

Sorry to tell you man, but you are dead wrong. First off, where do you get the idea that Manu got tons of calls as he drove to the basket? Manu was 4-4 from the line. That means at most he was fouled 4 times in And1 situations. That was't the case. Maybe you don't understand the definition of a foul, or just can't see past giving Manu the credit he deserves for his play.

[50 cent]

:lmao

Kobe doesn't have to flop. He just has to drive in the lane and yell, "HEY!!!" as loud as possible (because he knows Dick Bavetta and Savatore are hard of hearing) and the whistle blows on queue. An offensive player is supposed to initiate the contact with moving defenders (especially in the restricted zone). When Manu gets hammered, he flops a little bit, but he really is getting pounded down there - he just adds a little more to it for effect.

[jochhejaam]

He was a rebound away from a double double and took over the fourth quater. Any Pistons near a double double, anyone, anyone.
NBA All Star
Nike Baller of the Year
:stfu :owned

Yes, we had 3 triple-doubles

Billups 25 pts 16 Field Goal Attempts 43 minutes
Hamilton 14 pts 21 Field Goal Attempts 39 minutes
Prince 11 pts 12 Field Goal Attempts 32 minutes

:lol

[Extra Stout]

re-read my first post then someone's response....please manu is not that good...dont flatter urself...lolI see that the columnists from Denver are bandwagoning on the Pistons now.

[zocheez]

I just want to say, this game the refs swallowed the whistle for the most part. Manu hit the ground WAY less then he did in the last series, The "CALL" in question could have gone either way. Ben had a MASSIVE flop earlier that was called a charge on Manu where his knees buckled before ANYONE touched him. I wouldn't go calling Manu a flopper when Detroits players were JUST as bad or worse last night. If your gonna say they didn't call fouls on the spurs DID YOU SEE THEM ON DETROIT? If you took a shot of ANY screen detroit ran is the "HOWTO" of moving picks. Most screens have a little lean, or slight movement that is allowed, but OMG i watched 3 times where detroits guy ran by and the guy setting the pick moved 3-5 feet to block the defender. Oh and BTW not one of those were called. This has been the WORST officiated season as a whole, but this was about as fair is you could get.

[SpursChampsIII]

Manu's name should be SHAMOO, he flops so much,.,

1. Very bad attempt at humor
2. Very bad attempt at spelling

[sa_butta]

1. Very bad attempt at humor
2. Very bad attempt at spellingIs that a cow or something Shamoo. Or trying to say shampoo, which sometimes looks like Manu does not use :lol :lol . Please win soon so you can cut that hair.

[sa_butta]

Yes, we had 3 triple-doubles

Billups 25 pts 16 Field Goal Attempts 43 minutes
Hamilton 14 pts 21 Field Goal Attempts 39 minutes
Prince 11 pts 12 Field Goal Attempts 32 minutes

:lol:drunk :smokin

[zocheez]

1. Very bad attempt at humor
2. Very bad attempt at spelling

LOL For those who AREN'T smart enough to get number 2 it's "Shamu"

[Rummpd]

"i agree with you about Manu, i'm a Pistons fan, but the game was pretty even overall they called a good game other than maybe 2 calls they blew. They let the teams play and that was fun basketball to watch. Our boys will be ready Sunday no worries[I]."


For another tail kicking, 81 to 52 is just the beginning of the end of the real ** champs ("stolen" title beating due to 0.4)

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I only saw two plays that I'd call "flops".

I thought Manu took it up aggressively last night, all night.

The "flop" thing is getting old.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Isn't Mamu better than Shamu?

Everybody flops, some more than others...

[Spurs_Fan_Nineteen]

Psh. I wish people would look at how Manu scores and steals more than how he flops. It's what MATTERS, people!

[CaptainLate]

Yes, we had 3 triple-doubles

Billups 25 pts 16 Field Goal Attempts 43 minutes
Hamilton 14 pts 21 Field Goal Attempts 39 minutes
Prince 11 pts 12 Field Goal Attempts 32 minutes

:lol

Nice sense of humor after a loss. I wouldn't be able to keep mine till a win, which I'm praying doesn't occur for the Pistons.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I think the game was pretty well called in terms of evenly, though not consistently. Did the Spurs get a few questionable calls? Sure. But I have a little trouble believing that the Pistons, for all their physicality, didn't commit a single foul for the first 7 minutes of the game. Bad calls on both sides, standard issue Stern officiating.

[beirmeistr]

Detroit posters have now been Ginobilized, leaving them sputtering and dieseling.

[Kori Ellis]

I can't believe some Pistons fans are going George Karl on us already and complaining about Manu flopping. You guys can't say Manu is not that good, he took over the game last time in crunch time when your offense went stagnant.

Chauncey had a good game last night, but why didn't Big Shot take over in the 4th like Manu did?

He couldn't. Manu could.

Suck it up and get ready for game 2.

[GrandeDavid]

dabol, here is the image of yourself you have successfully portrayed. I hope you are pleased with yourself, George:

http://www.mandrgames.com/images/whinerdoll.jpg

[spurschick]

It's amazing to me how many threads start off talking about one thing, and then end up talking about Manu flopping.

[Solid D]

The Pistons shooting touch was a complete "flop" in the 2nd half.

[Sense]

BUT yesterday's game which was a good one and the Spurs did do a good job overall showed me "How the hell did the referees CONSISTENTLY give Manu Ginobili that foul call when he initiated contact time after time again.?" He is good at what he does but some of those plays which turned the momentum were sparked by those miscalls. I saw almost 5 drives where he initiated the contact but got the foul. Sometimes he gets people to leave their feet but if no one leaves their feet they cant keep giving him that call. He is a terrific actor with the flop he does nevetheless none of the greats, MJ, MAGIC, BIRD etc had to thrive off a flop which alot of players nowadays do consistenly. I think referees need to call that offensive foul sometimes on him or even keep their whistles in their pockets because he is getting away with murder!!!


Ginobili owned your pistons..

Admit it and stop the *cry..

These kinds of posts are absurd in Spurs Forums..

You need to be smarter...