Nash. Where could/shoud he go?

[Fabbs]

1 year left at 11 mil on his Phoenix contract.
Would he take less/would Phx consider buying him out?

If the answer is yes/yes, where can Nash go to title?

Heat?
Mavs?
Fakers?
Spurs? (too idiotic to get a trade Tony Parker for a good big).

[Frenzy]

Didn't nash already say he's gonna end his career in phoenix?

[DMC]

Heat would be ok, but I don't see Nash as a front runner like them. Nash is a worker, smart as fuck, and they are a bunch of running chimps with no IQ.

Maybe Knicks, playing with Mike D and Amar'e. They know each other and work well together. With Melo on the team, they could give the East a run.

[Fabbs]

nash is old as shit, there is no guarantee that his value won't just crash at any time, making him a terrible signing. who knows if he could go to the heat and do what he did this past year. they all fall off sometime..
Nash can still play circles around Bibby and Chalmers.
Even with those two it took massive end of game brain farts for your Mavs to squeak out wins.

[Fabbs]

just because he was better last year doesn't mean that he wont = bibby this year. everyone gets old, and everyone ages differently. one day his game will just fall off a cliff, and that day is coming sooner rather than later.

he might be a risky signing
Not gonna happen "in one day",
Name others who that happened to (not counting some blowout injury). More like gradual, which should keep him very viable for 2011-2012.

He did 14/11 last year on a crappy Phx team.

[Findog]

I'd like to see him either go to the Knicks or come back to Dallas to platoon with Kidd.

[Findog]

the point is, whenever nash's game drops just a bit, he will become totally useless faster than other players because he is a defensive liability.

He can be a good sixth man for a contender. I think he has a year or two left at his current production.

[mavsfan1000]

i think i'd rather have barea
You gotta be kidding me. I'll take Nash in a heartbeat.

[crc21209]

I just don't see him winning a ring, no matter where he goes. Kidd actually played D so that's why he's been so successful throughout his career. Nash doesnt play a lick of defense....

[mavsfan1000]

I just don't see him winning a ring, no matter where he goes. Kidd actually played D so that's why he's been so successful throughout his career. Nash doesnt play a lick of defense....
PG Nash
SG Kidd. Plus Nash in limited minutes can be a factor. Just don't play him like your team depends on him for a heavy load. He can't do that anymore.

[crc21209]

PG Nash
SG Kidd. Plus Nash in limited minutes can be a factor. Just don't play him like your team depends on him for a heavy load. He can't do that anymore.

Maybe. But every teams opposing PG would slaughter Nash on the defensive end. Westbrook, Parker, Rose, etc....

[mavsfan1000]

Maybe. But every teams opposing PG would slaughter Nash on the defensive end. Westbrook, Parker, Rose, etc....
Then you put Stevenson in the starting lineup and have Nash come off the bench. Carlisle is not afraid to change his lineup.

[SpursIndonesia]

Nash to the Knicks for vet min after being bought out sounds very logical for both parties, especially if the next season is shortened. It would be all offense team with minimum defense, but could be quite competitive against a reenergized & revenge seeking Bulls team and the Miami's big three.

[Findog]

Phoenix won't buy him out or trade him. They need to sell tickets. Only way Nash leaves the Suns is if he demands a trade and sits out.

[Findog]

But the bottom line is that now that Dirk has his ring, Nash needs to get his.

[Ghazi]

Our backcourt is too crowded... Roddy/Kidd/Terry.. and Allah willing we resign Barea.

[Findog]

I think somebody is going to majorly overpay Barea and it won't be us. Cuban has a rep as a big spender, but he only splurges on bigs with limited ability (Haywood, Dampier). When it comes to guards, he is more than willing to practice financial discipline.

[mariners]

I just don't see him winning a ring, no matter where he goes. Kidd actually played D so that's why he's been so successful throughout his career. Nash doesnt play a lick of defense....
If Tony Parker can win a ring playing no defense, then so can Nash

[Nathan89]

Hawks might want him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

But the bottom line is that now that Dirk has his ring, Nash needs to get his.
If Nash deserved a ring, he wouldn't have signed a contract extension with a team owned by Robert Sarver. He wouldn't have endorsed Sarver's decision to let Amare leave. He's sleeping in the bed he made.

[dirk4mvp]

If he ever accepted a role as a spot up shooter for a team, he would help a lot of teams out. Too bad he won't ever do that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I agree with Findog he'd be a good 6th man, but he's made it clear he values inflating his stats and dominating the ball more than he values contending for a championship. I don't feel sorry for him one bit, last season is exactly what he wants.

[Findog]

If Nash deserved a ring, he wouldn't have signed a contract extension with a team owned by Robert Sarver. He wouldn't have endorsed Sarver's decision to let Amare leave. He's sleeping in the bed he made.

Didn't he sign his deal before the 09-10 season, when the Suns made the conference finals? When did he endorse Sarver's decision to let Amare walk? And do you think it's possible that he was just toeing the line publicly?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Didn't he sign his deal before the 09-10 season, when the Suns made the conference finals? When did he endorse Sarver's decision to let Amare walk? And do you think it's possible that he was just toeing the line publicly?
He signed an extension knowing there was a better than 50% chance Amare would leave after the 2010 season (when his original contract expired).

I have no idea why he endorsed the decision, just like I have no idea why he doesn't give two flying fucks about winning a championship.


EDIT: As far as WHEN he endorsed the decision, I believe it was a month or so after Amare signed with New York.

[Findog]

He signed an extension knowing there was a better than 50% chance Amare would leave after the 2010 season (when his original contract expired).

I have no idea why he endorsed the decision, just like I have no idea why he doesn't give two flying fucks about winning a championship.


EDIT: As far as WHEN he endorsed the decision, I believe it was a month or so after Amare signed with New York.

When Nash signed his extension and Amare was still on the roster, you don't think that maybe Nash valued the idea of trying one more time to win a title in a Phoenix uniform over ring chasing like Malone and Payton?

You obviously follow the Suns more closely than I do, but I think he has real loyalty to the franchise and it would mean more to him to win a title with the team that drafted him and he achieved his greatest success and in front of fans who love him, as opposed to maybe playing 20-25 minutes a night as a role player on another team? His contract is up after this upcoming season, so he still has time to ring chase.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

When Nash signed his extension and Amare was still on the roster, you don't think that maybe Nash valued the idea of trying one more time to win a title in a Phoenix uniform over ring chasing like Malone and Payton?
He had a year left on his contract when he signed the extension. He woulda been under contract through the 2009-2010 regardless.


You obviously follow the Suns more closely than I do, but I think he has real loyalty to the franchise and it would mean more to him to win a title with the team that drafted him and he achieved his greatest success and in front of fans who love him, as opposed to maybe playing 20-25 minutes a night as a role player on another team? His contract is up after this upcoming season, so he still has time to ring chase.
If it meant anything for him to win a title with the Suns, he woulda done everything in his power to force Sarver's hand resigning Amare. He did anything BUT that.

[mariners]

Nash is loyal to a city that has embraced him, how can you hold that against him?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nash is loyal to a city that has embraced him, how can you hold that against him?
He's loyal to an owner who's turned him into a cash cow. There's nothing entertaining about what he's let Sarver turn the team into.

If he was loyal to Suns fans and gave two shits about them, he woulda told Sarver either resign Amare or he's demanding a trade.

[Isitjustme?]

Could ST's #1 Jew actually make a serious post about his 3 favorite point guards complete with analysis/explanation. I think that would be the goods.

[NewcastleKEG]

When Nash signed his extension and Amare was still on the roster, you don't think that maybe Nash valued the idea of trying one more time to win a title in a Phoenix uniform over ring chasing like Malone and Payton?

You obviously follow the Suns more closely than I do, but I think he has real loyalty to the franchise and it would mean more to him to win a title with the team that drafted him and he achieved his greatest success and in front of fans who love him, as opposed to maybe playing 20-25 minutes a night as a role player on another team? His contract is up after this upcoming season, so he still has time to ring chase.
Nash coming off the bench would make that team unbelievably loaded. Nash is still a starter and for a couple more seasons too

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Could ST's #1 Jew actually make a serious post about his 3 favorite point guards complete with analysis/explanation. I think that would be the goods.
Goran "White Magic" Dragic - If you had been around longer, you'd know
Derek Fisher - knows the role a PG should have and has 5 rings because of it
Jason Kidd - Played a semi-major role on a championship team as a PG who didn't dominate the ball

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Actually, replace Jason Kidd with Gilbert Arenas. Classy guy :cry

[endrity]

Well first of, he has to figure out a way to get out of there which I am not sure Sarver will grant him.

Him on the Mavs would be storybook ending, but unless we fail to resign Barea, I don't know how he fits in the team.

The logical destination is of course...................................... Miami! Shoot me now!

[Isitjustme?]

Actually, replace Jason Kidd with Gilbert Arenas. Classy guy :cry

This dragon can post!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Idk why everyone thinks Nash wants to leave Phoenix. He's more than happy dominating the ball, surrounded by a team of role players, on a team where the 8th seed is considered a championship. He's said so.

[Darrin]

I could see him in LA with Kobe and Gasol.

[NewcastleKEG]

Idk why everyone thinks Nash wants to leave Phoenix. He's more than happy dominating the ball, surrounded by a team of role players, on a team where the 8th seed is considered a championship. He's said so.
This is sadly true. Yes there is a distinct line between doing everything possible to get a ring & ring chasing but you feel less of a guy if he just fades into retirement missing the playoffs

Especially when the guy already played on another team

[NewcastleKEG]

I could see him in LA with Kobe and Gasol.
Now THAT would be ring chasing

[Isitjustme?]

Idk why everyone thinks Nash wants to leave Phoenix. He's more than happy dominating the ball, surrounded by a team of role players, on a team where the 8th seed is considered a championship. He's said so.

I don't know. He did break down crying in the 2010 WCF. He cares about winning. Maybe he's just too classy to demand a trade :cry

[Koolaid_Man]

1 year left at 11 mil on his Phoenix contract.
Would he take less/would Phx consider buying him out?

If the answer is yes/yes, where can Nash go to title?

Heat?
Mavs?
Fakers?
Spurs? (too idiotic to get a trade Tony Parker for a good big).


straight to fucking hell...steroid using ass....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't know. He did break down crying in the 2010 WCF. He cares about winning. Maybe he's just too classy to demand a trade :cry
for all the crying he did after the 2010 WCF, he forgot about it pretty quickly and approved of Sarver tearing the 2010 roster apart.

[HornetLoveJones]

sadly he's gonna end up ringless because of his loyalty to the Suns

dude's not going anywhere, though he's been tweeting an AWFUL lot about Dallas this past playoff season

[dunkman]

So far, Dirk resulted better than Nash. The Mavs have good PG's and they won't make big changes for the next season.

Nash had bad luck, the Spurs were always better than the Suns, and in 2007 Amare and Diaw made a big mistake jumping to the court. When the Suns finally passed the Spurs in 2010, Nash and the Suns were so emotionally drained that the Suns were defeated by the Lakers in a serie they could have won.

[Axe Murderer]

Nash and the Suns were so emotionally drained that the Suns were defeated by the Lakers in a serie they could have won.

Yeah it had nothing to do with the fact that the Lakers were just a better team

[Isitjustme?]

Yeah it had nothing to do with the fact that the Lakers were just a better team

tbh that was a really really close series. If it wasn't for J-Rich's brain fart it would have gone seven. The Spurs series had nothing to do with how they played though.

[dunkman]

Yeah it had nothing to do with the fact that the Lakers were just a better team

Being 2:2, in the pivotal game 5 in LA, the Lakers won 103:101. Nash missed some FT's, a 3 here or there, a jumper that goes in, and the Suns could have won that game.

A team that wins game 5 after 2:2, typically always win the series.

[dunkman]

tbh that was a really really close series. If it wasn't for J-Rich's brain fart it would have gone seven. The Spurs series had nothing to do with how they played though.

I think it had something to do because it was so important for the Suns to pass the Spurs, they celebrated as if it was the championship. Nash was even crying.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol dunkman
lol gnsf
lol thinking the Spurs somehow played a role in the Suns Lakers series

[Isitjustme?]

tbh beating the Spurs is like most team's Super Bowl/World Cup imo Usually the city throws them a parade when they return from SA before the next series. I heard like 90,000 Suns waited at the airport when Phoenix returned from Beanerville. TV ratings usually drop like 90% in their games after that as well.

[frodo]

the point is, whenever nash's game drops just a bit, he will become totally useless faster than other players because he is a defensive liability.

JJB was also a defensive liability the past years but he contributed big in at least 3 of the 6 games against heat imho. peja also looked done in NO however after being waived he joined dem mavs and also contributed big on their championship run. nash ain't the MVP anymore but he's still a fine role player imho.

[frodo]

TC/JJB/Stevie/Findog/peja all be expiring this summer, seems mavs FO really have a lot of work to do this offseason tbh

[Ice009]

I'd like to see him either go to the Knicks or come back to Dallas to platoon with Kidd.

I actually thought it would be awesome for him and Dirk to play together again, but then I keep thinking about his lack of defense and not sure how it could work. I thought Dirk might have even looked at signing with Phoenix after Amare bolted and he was knocked out of the playoffs again in the first round last season.

[Ice009]

If Tony Parker can win a ring playing no defense, then so can Nash

Tony Parker has taken his defense up a level or two in the playoffs during our championship runs and played some outstanding defense.

That is a pretty piss poor take and shows you haven't watched TP at all.

[Ice009]

If Nash deserved a ring, he wouldn't have signed a contract extension with a team owned by Robert Sarver. He wouldn't have endorsed Sarver's decision to let Amare leave. He's sleeping in the bed he made.

I think Jason Kidd made a huge, huge mistake resigning with New Jersey instead of us in 2003 and he nearly went out ringless. Why does Nash deserve the same?

[Red Hawk #21]

When the Suns finally passed the Spurs in 2010, Nash and the Suns were so emotionally drained that the Suns were defeated by the Lakers in a serie they could have won.

Eres serio? :downspin:

[mariners]

TC/JJB/Stevie/Findog/peja all be expiring this summer, seems mavs FO really have a lot of work to do this offseason tbh
Peja is as good as gone (probably will retire) and Butler and TC will be easily retained the other 3 (JJB, Cardinal, and Stevenson) idk

[dunkman]

Eres serio? :downspin:

Then why would Nash cry after the sweep if it wasn't a big deal for them? The Spurs downed the Suns too many times in the Duncan era, it was the only time the Suns prevailed.

Gentry made a big mistake allowing that show, should have ordered to concentrate immediately in the next opponent, like Pop orders to avoid celebrations after a series if it's not for the championship.

The Suns were the NBA best team after the all-star break.

MJ and Shaq cried winning their first championship after the frustrations of many years trying.

[dunkman]

lol dunkman
lol gnsf
lol thinking the Spurs somehow played a role in the Suns Lakers series

Personally I don't think that crying is appropriate for an adult male (won't even comment about sending lol's and gnsf's, the Spurs issue is a matter of opinion), but understand that some people can't handle their emotions when make their best effort.

Nash seems to be that kind of person.

Perhaps he wouldn't be able to play so well if he didn't push himself too much. Objectively, he overachieved for his talent, who would think he woiuld ever win one MVP's, much less two consecutive MVP's. The few other players that have done that are/were much bigger, quicker or athletic.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think Jason Kidd made a huge, huge mistake resigning with New Jersey instead of us in 2003 and he nearly went out ringless. Why does Nash deserve the same?
You're responding to the post explaining why Nash deserves to retire ringless. He chose to sign a lucrative extension in 2009, just like Kidd chose to resign with New Jersey. Nash has said he doesn't give a flying fuck about retiring ringless. Probably why he endorsed the decision to let Amare leave.

[Ice009]

You're responding to the post explaining why Nash deserves to retire ringless. He chose to sign a lucrative extension in 2009, just like Kidd chose to resign with New Jersey. Nash has said he doesn't give a flying fuck about retiring ringless. Probably why he endorsed the decision to let Amare leave.

I didn't know he said he doesn't care about not winning a ring. If that is the case maybe Nash should go be with himself ;).

[dunkman]

Nash doesn't play defense which limit his chances to get a ring as an important player of a team. The more minutes he plays, there are more chances for other teams to get easy baskets.

Nowitzki is average on defense and a very good rebounder, that gets complemented by other defensive oriented bigs.

However, playing offensive bball Nash went three times to the WCF with Phoenix and once with Dallas. He could win it all in various runs, and they definitely tried to win the championship in 2010. The teams that have downed the Suns in 2007 and 2010 were unable to defend but could (barely) outscore them. So perhaps it's possible to win it all with great offense and marginal defense.

Nash probably thinks it's better to lead a contender than play a small role on a championship team. 4 WCF trips and 2 MVP's is extremely solid resume.

Amare wanted to leave and the Suns wanted him traded since long time.

[Agloco]

nash is old as shit, there is no guarantee that his value won't just crash at any time, making him a terrible signing. who knows if he could go to the heat and do what he did this past year. they all fall off sometime..

And that's your rationale for going with a 38 year old Jason Kidd?

[TampaDude]

Nash will retire as a Sun.

[phoenix219]

Nash said that he is not going to go ring chasing, because there is no guarantee that he could get to a certain team OR that the team he goes to is going to win the championship, and that its more important to him to play with a group of guys that he likes, in a city he calls home, in a situation where he is having fun and enjoying basketball then running around chasing a ring he might not ever get. Of course he wants to win a ring, but its not the most important thing in his life.

As far as Amare, the problem isn't not resigning him and all of his flaws for $20M, but rather, the choices made with the money saved after the fact. Hedo/Childress/Warrick, REALLY?

As for now, Gortat closed out last season as one of the best centers in the league; Lets see how Phoenix does with someone besides Vince Carter's corpse starting at 2. If they could get J Rich back as a free agent, watch out.

[phoenix219]

bump

[mavsfan1000]

I'll take Stevenson over Brewer.

[joshdaboss]

For me, I'd love to have him in a Spurs uniform, but I don't think that he likes the Spurs and wouldn't consider coming here.

Dallas makes the most sense. I would really like to see him go back to the Mavs, that would be awesome to see. Move Kidd over to the 2 for stretches/bring him off the bench. Nash >> Kidd. Come on now.

[HornetLoveJones]

New York makes the perfect sense but Melo's gonna have to play transition ball instead of stagnating the offense with iso plays.

[frodo]

if nash gets waived from suns and agrees a vet min he'd be a good signing anytime

[Silver&Black]

i'm actually not opposed to resigning deshawn for the minimum, but WE need a backup pf for dirk and a scoring wing.

WE??? You got a mouse in your pocket?? You say "We" like your a Dallas fan...you have Dallas championship pics as your icon...yet under team it says "N.O. Hornets"??

When you talk about the Hornets do you say "We" also???

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::flag:

[redzero]

WE??? You got a mouse in your pocket?? You say "We" like your a Dallas fan...you have Dallas championship pics as your icon...yet under team it says "N.O. Hornets"??

When you talk about the Hornets do you say "We" also???

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::flag:

Maybe Tyson Chandler isn't a Hornets fan.

[frodo]

WE??? You got a mouse in your pocket?? You say "We" like your a Dallas fan...you have Dallas championship pics as your icon...yet under team it says "N.O. Hornets"??

When you talk about the Hornets do you say "We" also???

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::flag:

you must be new here imho

[100%duncan]

i think i'd rather have barea

:rollin