UFO disclosure has begun ?

[lefty]

I'm quite skepticla when it comes to UFO videos

I'm not saying I don't believe in the existence of out of this world beings, but considering all the the fake UFO videos we have had lately...

A lot of the footage is from Ecuador and also some from around South America in general.

Those vids look legit, and hard to debunk IMO

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Anyway, what do you think?

[I. Hustle]

They're tryin to take our jobs!!

[Wild Cobra]

So now South America has illegal aliens too?

[4>0rings]

Saw half of it, which it was pretty boring except for 2 UFO vids that were pretty amazing.

Basically, Ecuador was being paid off by the U.S. to conceal their UFO files and other things. Ecuador found out their secret service had been infiltrated by the U.S. and found out the U.S. was helping a rival country of theirs. Ecuador president got pissed, booted everyone from top to bottom and released ALL top secret files from their UFO branch and told anyone not to be afraid to come forward, your career won't be harmed.


Basically, the U.S. pays other countries off so they can fly their top secret aircraft(UFOs) around the world doing tests and Ecuador told them to fuck off.

[RandomGuy]

The amount of footage and credible witnesses coming forward recently have made me genuinely wonder what is going on.

I am a pretty hardened skeptic, but the amount of non-kooky evidence is enough to point to *something* that defies an easy, natural explanation. Either humans have built some pretty incredible space/air-craft, or something else has.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

One of my suite mates in college was in the navy and said they were on deck one night when a UFO hovered about 100 hundred yards from their boat. He said it just hovered for about 20 seconds then took off. Later on that night the captain of the ship called every one for a meeting and told everybody that they saw nothing

[DMC]

Light reflecting off a cockpit canopy will move in weird directions depending on the angle of attack. Sudden changes in heading create sudden movements in the direction of the light across the canopy.

Sure though, aliens use FAA style strobing lights because it's the law.

Is it a ufo? Sure. Unidentified Flying Object. Is it alien to this planet? No. How can I be sure? Thousands of years of human civilization with nary a trace of one. You can find empty coke cans in the Jungle, but not a single shred of evidence exists to show an alien craft has ever entered our atmosphere.

[DMC]

One of my suite mates in college was in the navy and said they were on deck one night when a UFO hovered about 100 hundred yards from their boat. He said it just hovered for about 20 seconds then took off. Later on that night the captain of the ship called every one for a meeting and told everybody that they saw nothing
Depending on what kind of a boat it was, that "alien craft" would have been destroyed by Phalanx in short order at that range unless it had been intentionally disabled or had a different approach.

[DMC]

Saw half of it, which it was pretty boring except for 2 UFO vids that were pretty amazing.

Basically, Ecuador was being paid off by the U.S. to conceal their UFO files and other things. Ecuador found out their secret service had been infiltrated by the U.S. and found out the U.S. was helping a rival country of theirs. Ecuador president got pissed, booted everyone from top to bottom and released ALL top secret files from their UFO branch and told anyone not to be afraid to come forward, your career won't be harmed.


Basically, the U.S. pays other countries off so they can fly their top secret aircraft(UFOs) around the world doing tests and Ecuador told them to fuck off.

This.

I remember hearing about the "flying wing with 4 blinking lights around it" in the Nevada desert. We all knew it was the Stealth with fighter escort.

[TE]

It's pretty stupid to think that the existence of life elsewhere is a myth. There is life out there.

[phyzik]

It's pretty stupid to think that the existence of life elsewhere is a myth. There is life out there.

Not just stupid, but completely arrogant.

Not saying I agree we are being visited, but with the billions of galaxies out there, each with billions of stars in them, that could have any number of planets orbiting around them....

To think we are the only intelligent life in this universe... nevermind the possibility of a multiverse.... is the height of arrogance.

[Sense]

This.

I remember hearing about the "flying wing with 4 blinking lights around it" in the Nevada desert. We all knew it was the Stealth with fighter escort.

To think the US is that advanced with air crafts is so stupid..

[Wild Cobra]

It's pretty stupid to think that the existence of life elsewhere is a myth. There is life out there.
I think it's stupid to be certain either way.

I have seen a UFO. However, just because it was unidentifiable by me, doesn't mean it was extraterrestrial.

[BlackSwordsMan]

If you guys will look into this pen. *puts on ray bans*

[ferg]

i think with the amount of technology we KNOW about; the govt. has got to have some stuff in their disposal that would cause problems if the general population found out about it. the stealth fighter has been around since the '70s under the name "have blue". the stealth fighter was made public around 1990. i mean think about it, we can watch t.v. on cell phones now days. about 10-15 years ago, the big thing on cell phones was playing snake. if that tech. has come that far in that short amount of time, what else is out there that is being kept from the american public? kinda freaky if you ask me...

also i believe it is both arrogant and ignorant to believe we are the only ones in the universe. thats just me though...

[DMC]

It's pretty stupid to think that the existence of life elsewhere is a myth. There is life out there.
It is a myth. We haven't found it to be true yet. That doesn't mean it's false, but until we find life elsewhere, it's a myth.

[DMC]

To think the US is that advanced with air crafts is so stupid..

I know, but they were paying me to be stupid.

[Vici]

I've said it before but it's worth repeating.

My father was in the Air Force and had the highest level of Top Secret Clearance you can get. This doesn't mean he knew everything, in fact he knew very little. If you don't work at the facility where top secret projects are going on then you don't know what's happening. Anyway, he told me that anything that the public knows about, we already have the prototypes of aircraft 2-3 generations ahead with blueprints of craft 3-4 generations ahead.

Also, Wright-Patterson is where they keep the really cool stuff.

[DMC]

I've said it before but it's worth repeating.

My father was in the Air Force and had the highest level of Top Secret Clearance you can get. This doesn't mean he knew everything, in fact he knew very little. If you don't work at the facility where top secret projects are going on then you don't know what's happening. Anyway, he told me that anything that the public knows about, we already have the prototypes of aircraft 2-3 generations ahead with blueprints of craft 3-4 generations ahead.

Also, Wright-Patterson is where they keep the really cool stuff.

Your father probably had crypto or cts clearance.

[MannyIsGod]

It is a myth. We haven't found it to be true yet. That doesn't mean it's false, but until we find life elsewhere, it's a myth.

You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means.

[024]

on aliens existing and visiting us:

1. the probability of life forming in the universe is smaller than you think. planets need to be in the right position relative to the sun, with the right temperature and natural conditions for life to even begin forming.
2. even if life did form, organisms evolving to the point of acquiring intelligent thought is a whole different thing. it took billions of years for earth to produce humans capable of self awareness.
3. natural disasters would usually prevent such evolution. meteors, extreme climate change, sun running out of power/exploding/expanding, etc. would disrupt any progress. earth had its share of disasters (giant meteor, ice age) but they've been relatively mild compared to other places in the galaxy.
4. or in the case that natural disasters never happened (meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs), more intelligent species (in earth's case mammals and eventually humans) may never receive the opportunity to evolve and expand.
5. even if another planet manages to get the right sun, right position, right temperature, right natural disasters, and right climates, and actually forms a sentient species, the species has to survive long enough to develop space travel. humans could have killed the entire planet since the development and proliferation of nuclear weapons. the human race has been fortunate so far but how would other alien species fare? it just takes one nuclear war to reset the human race.
6. if another species does evolve and develop uninterrupted, intra galactic space travel is near impossible. it is NOT possible to travel faster than the speed of light. the power requirements for theoretical wormholes and faster than light travel are astronomical, if not impossible. even all the energy created through the big bang could not produce enough energy for anything in the universe to travel faster than the speed of light. the energy created by the big bang is all the energy in the universe combined and "more energy" can never be created.
7. intra galactic travel has other problems such as the question of shielding. if a ship doesn't "jump" or "teleport" and is actually traveling faster than the speed of light, hitting a single almost any sized particle in space would put a hole in the ship and destroy it.
8. don't even want to mention the requirements needed for inter galactic space travel.
9. therefore, aliens that can actually visit earth have to be relatively close and not on the other side of the galaxy. that lowers the odds tremendously because the "billions of stars with billions of planets" does not apply because they will have no way of getting here. it leaves only a few planets in the near vicinity and points 1-5 will apply.
10. or, even if aliens from other planets found a method of inter and intra galactic travel, they would be ridiculously advanced. they would have needed to find some method to create more energy or draw energy from another source outside the universe. if they could do that, humans have no reason to fear an alien invasion as the aliens will be so freakin advanced that humans stand no chance.

conclusion: other organisms may exist in the universe but evolution and space travel is too hard. therefore, it is far more likely that these UFOs are just secret government planes than actual aliens.

[Wild Cobra]

on aliens existing and visiting us:

7. intra galactic travel has other problems such as the question of shielding. if a ship doesn't "jump" or "teleport" and is actually traveling faster than the speed of light, hitting a single almost any sized particle in space would put a hole in the ship and destroy it.

I have a feeling that anyone who could travel that fast would solve such issues.


8. don't even want to mention the requirements needed for inter galactic space travel.

It's probably smooth sailing once we travel past the heliopause. For all we know, the physics as we understand them that limit relativity of light speed travel may change also.


9. therefore, aliens that can actually visit earth have to be relatively close and not on the other side of the galaxy. that lowers the odds tremendously because the "billions of stars with billions of planets" does not apply because they will have no way of getting here. it leaves only a few planets in the near vicinity and points 1-5 will apply.

That's just a guess that has no basis in experience. Space probably changes substantially when you go outside the heliosphere. Distance might have no meaning.


10. or, even if aliens from other planets found a method of inter and intra galactic travel, they would be ridiculously advanced. they would have needed to find some method to create more energy or draw energy from another source outside the universe. if they could do that, humans have no reason to fear an alien invasion as the aliens will be so freakin advanced that humans stand no chance.

Speculation. We really don't know until we advance farther. there may be ways of using less energy than relativistic formulas tell us.

One thing is certain. We don't really know.


conclusion: other organisms may exist in the universe but evolution and space travel is too hard. therefore, it is far more likely that these UFOs are just secret government planes than actual aliens.

I am in agreement that we likely have not been visited. However, not for the same reasons. I believe it is real likely that life exists elsewhere. However, they probably have as hard of a time finding us in the billions of uninhabited worlds in Goldilocks zones, as we would. Like finding a needle in a haystack.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Everyone knows God put all his creation on this planet.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

on aliens existing and visiting us:

1. the probability of life forming in the universe is smaller than you think. planets need to be in the right position relative to the sun, with the right temperature and natural conditions for life to even begin forming.
2. even if life did form, organisms evolving to the point of acquiring intelligent thought is a whole different thing. it took billions of years for earth to produce humans capable of self awareness.
3. natural disasters would usually prevent such evolution. meteors, extreme climate change, sun running out of power/exploding/expanding, etc. would disrupt any progress. earth had its share of disasters (giant meteor, ice age) but they've been relatively mild compared to other places in the galaxy.
4. or in the case that natural disasters never happened (meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs), more intelligent species (in earth's case mammals and eventually humans) may never receive the opportunity to evolve and expand.
5. even if another planet manages to get the right sun, right position, right temperature, right natural disasters, and right climates, and actually forms a sentient species, the species has to survive long enough to develop space travel. humans could have killed the entire planet since the development and proliferation of nuclear weapons. the human race has been fortunate so far but how would other alien species fare? it just takes one nuclear war to reset the human race.
6. if another species does evolve and develop uninterrupted, intra galactic space travel is near impossible. it is NOT possible to travel faster than the speed of light. the power requirements for theoretical wormholes and faster than light travel are astronomical, if not impossible. even all the energy created through the big bang could not produce enough energy for anything in the universe to travel faster than the speed of light. the energy created by the big bang is all the energy in the universe combined and "more energy" can never be created.
7. intra galactic travel has other problems such as the question of shielding. if a ship doesn't "jump" or "teleport" and is actually traveling faster than the speed of light, hitting a single almost any sized particle in space would put a hole in the ship and destroy it.
8. don't even want to mention the requirements needed for inter galactic space travel.
9. therefore, aliens that can actually visit earth have to be relatively close and not on the other side of the galaxy. that lowers the odds tremendously because the "billions of stars with billions of planets" does not apply because they will have no way of getting here. it leaves only a few planets in the near vicinity and points 1-5 will apply.
10. or, even if aliens from other planets found a method of inter and intra galactic travel, they would be ridiculously advanced. they would have needed to find some method to create more energy or draw energy from another source outside the universe. if they could do that, humans have no reason to fear an alien invasion as the aliens will be so freakin advanced that humans stand no chance.

conclusion: other organisms may exist in the universe but evolution and space travel is too hard. therefore, it is far more likely that these UFOs are just secret government planes than actual aliens.

:lmao this post made me laugh

[4>0rings]

on aliens existing and visiting us:

1. the probability of life forming in the universe is smaller than you think. planets need to be in the right position relative to the sun, with the right temperature and natural conditions for life to even begin forming.
2. even if life did form, organisms evolving to the point of acquiring intelligent thought is a whole different thing. it took billions of years for earth to produce humans capable of self awareness.
3. natural disasters would usually prevent such evolution. meteors, extreme climate change, sun running out of power/exploding/expanding, etc. would disrupt any progress. earth had its share of disasters (giant meteor, ice age) but they've been relatively mild compared to other places in the galaxy.
4. or in the case that natural disasters never happened (meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs), more intelligent species (in earth's case mammals and eventually humans) may never receive the opportunity to evolve and expand.
5. even if another planet manages to get the right sun, right position, right temperature, right natural disasters, and right climates, and actually forms a sentient species, the species has to survive long enough to develop space travel. humans could have killed the entire planet since the development and proliferation of nuclear weapons. the human race has been fortunate so far but how would other alien species fare? it just takes one nuclear war to reset the human race.
6. if another species does evolve and develop uninterrupted, intra galactic space travel is near impossible. it is NOT possible to travel faster than the speed of light. the power requirements for theoretical wormholes and faster than light travel are astronomical, if not impossible. even all the energy created through the big bang could not produce enough energy for anything in the universe to travel faster than the speed of light. the energy created by the big bang is all the energy in the universe combined and "more energy" can never be created.
7. intra galactic travel has other problems such as the question of shielding. if a ship doesn't "jump" or "teleport" and is actually traveling faster than the speed of light, hitting a single almost any sized particle in space would put a hole in the ship and destroy it.
8. don't even want to mention the requirements needed for inter galactic space travel.
9. therefore, aliens that can actually visit earth have to be relatively close and not on the other side of the galaxy. that lowers the odds tremendously because the "billions of stars with billions of planets" does not apply because they will have no way of getting here. it leaves only a few planets in the near vicinity and points 1-5 will apply.
10. or, even if aliens from other planets found a method of inter and intra galactic travel, they would be ridiculously advanced. they would have needed to find some method to create more energy or draw energy from another source outside the universe. if they could do that, humans have no reason to fear an alien invasion as the aliens will be so freakin advanced that humans stand no chance.

conclusion: other organisms may exist in the universe but evolution and space travel is too hard. therefore, it is far more likely that these UFOs are just secret government planes than actual aliens.


I have a feeling that anyone who could travel that fast would solve such issues.

It's probably smooth sailing once we travel past the heliopause. For all we know, the physics as we understand them that limit relativity of light speed travel may change also.

That's just a guess that has no basis in experience. Space probably changes substantially when you go outside the heliosphere. Distance might have no meaning.

Speculation. We really don't know until we advance farther. there may be ways of using less energy than relativistic formulas tell us.

One thing is certain. We don't really know.

I am in agreement that we likely have not been visited. However, not for the same reasons. I believe it is real likely that life exists elsewhere. However, they probably have as hard of a time finding us in the billions of uninhabited worlds in Goldilocks zones, as we would. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
Looks like we don't even need research or scientists, we got some random guys on a basketball forum that has figured it out.

Pack it up MIT and NASA!

[Wild Cobra]

Everyone knows God put all his creation on this planet.
What about the other Gods? Maybe they each have their own planet!

[Wild Cobra]

Looks like we don't even need research or scientists, we got some random guys on a basketball forum that has figured it out.

Pack it up MIT and NASA!
No I don't. I am only pointing out things that could apply and how little we really know.

[024]

Looks like we don't even need research or scientists, we got some random guys on a basketball forum that has figured it out.

Pack it up MIT and NASA!
dude, i went to college. not everyone is an uneducated hick.

[4>0rings]

dude, i went to college. not everyone is an uneducated hick.
Calf tats went to college, what does that prove?

[DMC]

You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means.
That's just it; I know exactly what it means.

It's got a few closely connected yet slightly different meanings. It's being used here to describe a person or thing whose existence is fictional or unproven.

It's the "or unproven" that makes it a myth. It's actually an assumption that they are alien. There's no evidence that anyone here has available to them that suggests aliens exist or that any alien spacecraft ever existed or visited this planet. Confirmation bias causes you to call anything you don't understand "alien" or "magic".

[DMC]

I have a feeling that anyone who could travel that fast would solve such issues.

Mass cannot travel at the speed of light.

Any intelligent source would have figured it out beforehand, by necessity, before being able to get reasonably close.


It's probably smooth sailing once we travel past the heliopause. For all we know, the physics as we understand them that limit relativity of light speed travel may change also.

Unicorns may appear for all we know.


That's just a guess that has no basis in experience. Space probably changes substantially when you go outside the heliosphere. Distance might have no meaning.

Why keep supposing these fantastic things? Stick with what we know. We cannot even discuss science fiction realistically.


Speculation. We really don't know until we advance farther. there may be ways of using less energy than relativistic formulas tell us.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Conservation laws have been pretty solid.


One thing is certain. We don't really know.

I am in agreement that we likely have not been visited. However, not for the same reasons. I believe it is real likely that life exists elsewhere. However, they probably have as hard of a time finding us in the billions of uninhabited worlds in Goldilocks zones, as we would. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
I don't hold the position that we likely have or have not been visited. I would not be surprised either way. I hold the position that we don't know it so there's no reason to assume it's happened. Doing so is akin to creating another deity. Occam's razor and all that.

[DMC]

Looks like we don't even need research or scientists, we got some random guys on a basketball forum that has figured it out.

Pack it up MIT and NASA!

SETI packed it up already.

[4>0rings]

SETI packed it up already.Not by choice.

[DMC]

Not by choice.

Like any government funded program, no results no money. Might as well be tracking ghosts.

It was a cute little idea for a while, but why drop billions on this hocus pocus (that's what it is)? Any "life" that's been claimed to exist on other planets has invariably turned out to be nothing.

[MannyIsGod]

That's just it; I know exactly what it means.

It's got a few closely connected yet slightly different meanings. It's being used here to describe a person or thing whose existence is fictional or unproven.

It's the "or unproven" that makes it a myth. It's actually an assumption that they are alien. There's no evidence that anyone here has available to them that suggests aliens exist or that any alien spacecraft ever existed or visited this planet. Confirmation bias causes you to call anything you don't understand "alien" or "magic".

I don't necessarily believe there is life out there but theories taking into account probabilities to say that it is a near mathematical certainty that life will develop else where is not a myth. Those are theories. Big difference.

[mouse]

Like any government funded program, no results no money. Might as well be tracking ghosts.

It was a cute little idea for a while, but why drop billions on this hocus pocus (that's what it is)? Any "life" that's been claimed to exist on other planets has invariably turned out to be nothing.

They have yet to find a cure for Cancer should they pack that in also?

[JoeChalupa]

I find it very hard to believe that life doesn't exist elsewhere in the Universe. God likes to experiment too I would think.

[mouse]

Calf tats went to college, what does that prove?

^ post of the week!


I think the real motivation for Science to find life on another planet is to make sure they are taught Evolution before they visit us. No one wants to rewrite all those text books in school.

[mouse]

God likes to experiment too I would think.

http://ns1.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=13339&dateline=1215565521

[DMC]

I don't necessarily believe there is life out there but theories taking into account probabilities to say that it is a near mathematical certainty that life will develop else where is not a myth. Those are theories. Big difference.

You're moving goalposts again.

UFO = alien: myth

Whether or not alien life actually exists, there's no evidence it's visited this planet. Let's not get off of another path.

[DMC]

^ post of the week!


I think the real motivation for Science to find life on another planet is to make sure they are taught Evolution before they visit us. No one wants to rewrite all those text books in school.

How would alien life rule out the Theory of Evolution?

[DMC]

I find it very hard to believe that life doesn't exist elsewhere in the Universe. God likes to experiment too I would think.

It's why religion exists. People have a hard time believing they are alone. It sucks, but there's much more evidence to support 0 god and 0 alien than 1 god or 1 alien.

[Wild Cobra]

You're moving goalposts again.

UFO = alien: myth

Whether or not alien life actually exists, there's no evidence it's visited this planet. Let's not get off of another path.
There is evidence, just not conclusive evidence.

[DMC]

They have yet to find a cure for Cancer should they pack that in also?
Don't we have radar? Why do all the planes keep crashing? Isn't anyone using that radar?

Me: No reason to launch food into space

You: Then we might as well stop sending food to starving nations

[DMC]

There is evidence, just not conclusive evidence.

Evidence of what?

Evidence proves or disproves something. A clue isn't the same as evidence.

[The Reckoning]

there most likely is life elsewhere, but i see aliens as a copout for people who are unable to fathom the capabilities of humans.

[JoeChalupa]

It's why religion exists. People have a hard time believing they are alone. It sucks, but there's much more evidence to support 0 god and 0 alien than 1 god or 1 alien.

There is NO proof that God does not exist as it is impossible to disprove.
Here we go again. The evidence is just opinion at best.

[clambake]

the existence is faith.

only

[Wild Cobra]

Evidence of what?

Evidence proves or disproves something. A clue isn't the same as evidence.
No, evidence isn't always conclusive,

[Nbadan]

if we were a dying civilization because our home planet was going to be decimated by some sort of natural catastrophe we could do nothing about, for instance, a black hole, and I had advanced technology... I would seed other hospitable planets with (human) life using probes to guarantee my species will continue to survive infinitely....

[mouse]

How would alien life rule out the Theory of Evolution?

For you to even ask that question shows how narrow minded you are and I think it would be useless for me to even try to broaden it.

[mouse]

Don't we have radar? Why do all the planes keep crashing?


Human error


Isn't anyone using that radar?

air traffic controllers do but it's useless when your asleep.



Me: No reason to launch food into space

You: Then we might as well stop sending food to starving nations


That is a poor comparison to your original post,


Originally Posted by DMC
Like any government funded program, no results no money. Might as well be tracking ghosts.
It was a cute little idea for a while, but why drop billions on this hocus pocus (that's what it is)? Any "life" that's been claimed to exist on other planets has invariably turned out to be nothing.


SETI doesn't throw food into space. find another analogy.

Have we stopped Crime from happening? Then why still have cops?

Do people who have never had a fire stop buying home insurance?


you people need to raise the IQ bar if you expect me to continue participating in this discussion.

[DMC]

No, evidence isn't always conclusive,

If it's evidence of something we know already happens or exists, like how a reciept would be evidence of where you were, then sure. If it's something like alien life, it's really not evidence if it doesn't prove the existence of alien life any more than a fuzzy picture of what appears to be a piece of paper would be proof of where you were, by calling that fuzzy image a "receipt" and no being able to examine that image to find the proof that it's a receipt.

[Blake]

There is evidence, just not conclusive evidence.

There is evidence that aliens have visited us?

what's the evidence?

[MannyIsGod]

You're moving goalposts again.

UFO = alien: myth

Whether or not alien life actually exists, there's no evidence it's visited this planet. Let's not get off of another path.

Um, http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5310416&postcount=16

He didn't say anything about UFOs. He said life elsewhere. I'm not moving anything.

Also, regarding proof of alien life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001#Possible_biogenic_features