The reality in Libya.

[Trainwreck2100]

You are a real psycho case yourself. If you think you are treating me, you aren't. Maybe I should check to see if I'm a victim of ID theft.

its cause he's black isn't it?

[Winehole23]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065570/7-000-held-Libyas-new-reign-fear-torture.html

[Winehole23]

During the 41 years of Moamer Kadhafi's hardline rule, the Amazighs -- whose name means "free men" -- were banned from publicly speaking, writing or printing anything in their own tongue, tamazight.


The Berbers, who make up some 10 percent of Libya's six million people, are now angry after this week's cabinet list was absent of members from their community.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJA49BE40KrdnWJMTiHlRmmQLUPQ?docId=CNG.fd45b 16bab5be5f2e8a7f73314307c59.251

[Winehole23]

The detention of 7,000 people in prisons and camps by the anti-Gaddafi forces is not surprising. The conflict in Libya was always much more of a civil war between Libyans than foreign governments pretended or the foreign media reported.


The winning anti-Gaddafi militia are not proving merciful. Often they have had relatives killed in the fighting or imprisoned by the old regime who they want to avenge. Sometimes they come from tribes and towns traditionally hostile to neighbouring tribes and towns. Gaddafi supporters are being hunted down. According to one person in Gaddafi's home town of Sirte, they are facing a "continuing reign of terror".


"There is a deep and spreading frenzy, particularly among some of the youth militia and the Islamists, to hunt down anyone associated with the former regime," the source said.


The National Transitional Council, whose control is largely theoretical, is not in a position to stop this purge because many of its members are themselves frightened of being accused of links with the old regime.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-this-was-always-a-civil-war-and-the-victors-are-not-merciful-6267104.html

[Wild Cobra]

So... are events proving me right?

[Winehole23]

Right about what?

[boutons_deux]

Armed revolution is never clean, or bloodless. It's way too early for a final verdict.

Just more proof that the dubya/neocon strategy of, eg, invading Iraq-for-oil would cause love, peace, and democratic (US-oilc-friendly) happiness to bloom all over the mid-east was expectedly stupid and naive. Same stupidity and naivete demonstrated by neocons wanting to strike (oil-rich) Iran.

Now, if the 99% could find enough balls to overthrow and punish the 1%.

[johnsmith]

Now, if the 99% could find enough balls to overthrow and punish the 1%.

Should the 1% that started with nothing and worked their asses off to get to be in the 1% be stoned and punished as well?

Serious question.

[boutons_deux]

very few of the 1% worked their asses off

social/economic mobility has decreased greatly in the past 30 years, as the poor are locked into poverty, the 1% locked into the 1%. One mobility is downward, and the middle class gets screwed down by the 1%.

[boutons_deux]

...

[johnsmith]

very few of the 1% worked their asses off

.

Link please.....I'd love to know what the split is between money earned by the "1%" and money passed down.

My guess is that you would be wrong and that there are far more earners in the group.

But, since you just talk out of your ass all the time, I'm sure you won't supply it.

[boutons_deux]

Do Your Own Research, loss of social/economic mobility is well documented, the GFY

[Winehole23]

boutons cribs from WC: he doesn't have to back up his own claims; you are obliged to disprove them.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the reality is even with a puppet govt and stealing from libya, this wont get france and italy out of debt....

[johnsmith]

Do Your Own Research, loss of social/economic mobility is well documented, the GFY

I'm not asking about loss of social/economic mobility. You said that very few of the 1% worked hard to earn their money......I'd like you to back that up.....if you don't, then just go back to your VRWC thread and STFU.

[johnsmith]

boutons cribs from WC: he doesn't have to back up his own claims; you are obliged to disprove them.

Oh yeah, my bad. Not having paid much attention over the past couple of years has led me to forget what a clown we are dealing with.

[Wild Cobra]

Right about what?
That things in Libya will be worse with the new leadership. Still needs more time to see, but it looks like to me it's on it's way.

[Winehole23]

That things would get worse wasn't a tough call, tbh.

[Wild Cobra]

That things would get worse wasn't a tough call, tbh.
If it wasn't a tough call, then did the UN want to make Libya worse?

[Winehole23]

Beats me.

So someday they can rule it like a fiefdom, like they do Serbia and Bosnia?

[boutons_deux]

I've bitchslapped johnsmith so many times all he can do is whine and wimper.

[Winehole23]

don't sprain your wrist patting yourself on the back, tough guy

[Winehole23]

:rollin

[Winehole23]

yxEtb23oGz4

[johnsmith]

I've bitchslapped johnsmith so many times all he can do is whine and wimper.

When? and more importantly, where is the link supporting your argument that most 1%ers didn't work hard for their money.

[Winehole23]

Recently read and recommended:

http://i43.tower.com/images/mm107675898/first-casualty-knightley-phillip-paperback-cover-art.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

When? and more importantly, where is the link supporting your argument that most 1%ers didn't work hard for their money.

The bot doesn't do research. If it's not a blog post or on truthout.borg, he's fucking lost.

[johnsmith]

The bot doesn't do research. If it's not a blog post or on truthout.borg, he's fucking lost.

I see.....

I just found it interesting how similar his argument was with many of the Occupy type folks that I've seen interviewed.

Reporter: "What is it that you want"?
Boutons: "We want change".
Reporter: "What do you want to change"?
Boutons: "More equal distribution of money".
Reporter: "Why"?
Boutons: "Because most of them didn't even work for their money".
Reporter: "How do you know"?
Boutons: "Well.....because.....errrr.....We are the 99%"!!!!!!


Boutons: "Fuck yeah"!!!!

[johnsmith]

But I guess by him not responding in any way shape or form, he can go on with his fantasy "bitch slaps" that he's so proud of.

Crazy fuck.

[boutons_deux]

johnsmith, down on your knees, boy, take your btich-slapping like a man:

"Half of those on the Forbes 400 list started their economic careers by inheriting businesses or substantial wealth. Of these, most inherited sufficient wealth to put them immediately into Forbes' heaven. Only three out of ten on the Forbes list can be regarded as self-starters whose parents did not have great wealth or own a business with more than a few employees.



The data, then, do not support the assumption that the United States is a true meritocracy where the most able rise to their rightful positions. Nor do they defend the contention that the United States is structured so that authentic equality of opportunity prevails. Inheritances undermine the achievement-reward equation.



In 1995, it took only $340 million to break into to the Forbes 400. In 1996, the hurdle was raised to $400 million. By 1997, it was $475 million. The net worth of the wealthiest of the wealthy is increasing much faster than that of the rest of us."

http://www.faireconomy.org/press_room/1997/born_on_third_base_sources_of_wealth_of_1997_forbe s_400


http://www.amazon.com/Old-Money-Mythology-Wealth-America/dp/1880559641

That's the 0.1%.

For the rest of the 1%, many who "made" their fortune inherited some wealth that allows them to start high up the ladder. Then there's a whole class of failed assholes, who might get private college/post-grad educations at $50K/year schools, like dubya, who "inherited" the Bush family circle of wealthy friends and contacts. eg, dubya made $17M on the Texas Rangers stadium deal as a pure gift from Poppy's friends.

Then there are of course "trust fund babies", many in TX whose Daddy OilBucks left them $Ms in a trust fund the interest of which finances a life of leisure.

[TeyshaBlue]

Newsflash: No where in these links is the amount of work addressed...only the amount of money inherited or gifted.

Since you have zero numbers to support your asinine statement, I guess you'll have to fall back on the tried and true, GFY.

Try again, bot.

[TeyshaBlue]

And lol @ Forbes 400 being a meaningful metric of anything.

[Winehole23]

crypto-conservatroid boutonsborg.com flacks the company line, taunts an online opponent (with homoerotic overtones,) and links to amazon.com

[Winehole23]

Well done, m8!

[Winehole23]

that's Super Adventure Club caliber stuff, man!

[johnsmith]

johnsmith, down on your knees, boy, take your btich-slapping like a man:

"Half of those on the Forbes 400 list started their economic careers by inheriting businesses or substantial wealth. Of these, most inherited sufficient wealth to put them immediately into Forbes' heaven. Only three out of ten on the Forbes list can be regarded as self-starters whose parents did not have great wealth or own a business with more than a few employees.



The data, then, do not support the assumption that the United States is a true meritocracy where the most able rise to their rightful positions. Nor do they defend the contention that the United States is structured so that authentic equality of opportunity prevails. Inheritances undermine the achievement-reward equation.



In 1995, it took only $340 million to break into to the Forbes 400. In 1996, the hurdle was raised to $400 million. By 1997, it was $475 million. The net worth of the wealthiest of the wealthy is increasing much faster than that of the rest of us."

http://www.faireconomy.org/press_room/1997/born_on_third_base_sources_of_wealth_of_1997_forbe s_400


http://www.amazon.com/Old-Money-Mythology-Wealth-America/dp/1880559641

That's the 0.1%.

For the rest of the 1%, many who "made" their fortune inherited some wealth that allows them to start high up the ladder. Then there's a whole class of failed assholes, who might get private college/post-grad educations at $50K/year schools, like dubya, who "inherited" the Bush family circle of wealthy friends and contacts. eg, dubya made $17M on the Texas Rangers stadium deal as a pure gift from Poppy's friends.

Then there are of course "trust fund babies", many in TX whose Daddy OilBucks left them $Ms in a trust fund the interest of which finances a life of leisure.

:lmao So there are 1.4 million taxpayers that make up the top 1% and you give me a breakdown (sort of) of 400 people as evidence that these people didn't have to put in any hard work to be a success. Forget about the fact (as Teysha pointed out) that the article says nothing about the amount of work that goes into maintaining that amount of money, but it doesn't even begin to touch on the other 1,399,600 people that are actually in the top 1%.

Good job Boutons, you sure bitch slapped me again.


Maybe you should spend less time on an internet forum bitching about the 1% and the VRWC, and more time trying to earn more in order to support what is no doubt a very needy family.

[Winehole23]

Just 350 miles from the tiny European member state Malta, ISIS has set up a colony (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html) in Surt, Libya. This Libyan outpost is now receiving veteran fighters and administrators from the burgeoning theocratic blob that has spread across Syria and Iraq. It is from this redoubt in Surt that the Islamic State can project power across North Africa, according to an in-depth report from The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html).


Now that we've seen the Islamic State lash out on European soil, the prospect of them establishing a statelet 400 miles from Italy should give us pause. How did they get there? How was Surt made ready to be the Islamic State's caliphate away from the caliphate?


Look no further than the woman most likely to become our next president, Hillary Clinton. Using American power to help overthrow Moammar Gadhafi's government was her signature idea as secretary of state. Surely, the Arab Spring rebels would handle the mop up. Alas, it didn't turn out that way.

http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary

[Spurtacular]

Yet, you didn't care one bit about the civilian deaths and displacements.

Not one bit.

You're a hypocrite, plain and simple.


:lmao

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-months-later-where-are-the-benghazi-survivors/